Time Dilation

Note: Last night, America’s two leading moderate voices held a special episode to discuss the looming war with Iran. You can listen here.


One of the things skipped past in the flurry of happenings over the last ten days is that the Trump administration has abandoned Ukraine. Pete Hegseth said as much in Congressional testimony where he said there were no plans to send Ukraine additional weapons or ask Congress for more money. At the G7 in Canada, Trump blew off a meeting with Zelensky without saying a word. The reason given was the crisis in the Middle East, which is now the priority.

For the Iran hawks, this is being greeted as good news as they assume this means Trump is onboard with their war schemes, but it may simply be the result of the clash between short term and long-term thinking. Like the this war scheme, Project Ukraine was a short-term operation. All involved assumed it would be a quick and glorious victory, but it turned into a long grind. The American empire does not do long grinds, so it is onto the next military project.

Project Ukraine did not become a long grind by accident. It was made so through deliberate actions by the Russians. Once they realized in 2022, after the war started, that the West was never going to negotiate, they quickly reorganized themselves and their war plans to turn it into a long grind. They correctly surmised that if they wanted a long-term solution to NATO, they needed to win a war of attrition with NATO, so they made Ukraine into a war of attrition.

It is why Trump’s deal making with Russia failed. He assumed that the people who got everything about Russian wrong to this point were right that Russia would jump at a short-term solution, so they used that as leverage. What he learned was that those people advising him were all wrong and Russia was unwilling to take a short-term deal like a ceasefire or a quick peace. Trump has dropped normalization talks with Russia because he sees that he has no cards to play.

Project Ukraine is an important lesson that no one in Washington is ready to grasp as the empire stumbles its way into another Middle East quagmire. The same people who were entirely wrong about Project Iraq two decades ago turned out to be wrong about Project Ukraine, but the results are much worse. The empire was eventually able to subdue Iraq and install a neutral government, but it came with long-term costs that continue to drain the imperial coffers.

The lesson of Iraq should have been that there are no short-term solutions to long-term problems and long-term problems come with long-term costs. People forget that the war with Iraq was touted as the solution to the Middle East problem. Even if it did not result in regime change in Iran, it would sufficiently terrify them that they would cease to be a problem as far as Washington was concerned. Twenty-five years on and Trump is on the edge of becoming George Bush.

We are getting the flickers of this gap between the long-term and the short-term in the war between Israel and Iran. When Washington and Tel Aviv cooked up the Pearl Harbor style sneak attack, it had two base assumptions. They assumed it would work and by work it would collapse the Iranian regime. There was no thought to what would happen after the sneak attack. There was no thought to what could happen if it did not work exactly as the planners promised.

Note that the Iranians have turned this into a long-term issue. They have more missiles and drones than Iran has attack missiles and air defense. Iran is ten times the size of Israel, so they can take a lot of damage and survive. Just as Ukraine found itself in a numbers game that favored the Russians, Israel is facing a similar math problem with the Iranians now. It is why they are demanding Trump join the war. They cannot overcome the math of their war with Iran.

If you can bear listening to the cries for blood from the usual suspects in Washington, what you hear is a demand for quick action. They insist that the Iranian regime is fragile, and it just needs to be pushed over in order to get regime change. These are the same people who said the same things about Iraq in the Bush years and said the same things about Russia just a few years ago. There is no talk of what comes next, because like Ted Cruz, they are incapable of such thinking.

What we are seeing with Iran is the same time dilation that has haunted the American empire since the end of the Cold War. Perhaps it is the result of foreign policy being run by short-term visitors or perhaps it is the nature of democratic societies. No matter the cause, America operates in a world where the clocks always speed forward to the desired result. In the rest of the world, clocks move at their own pace and often that pace is very slow and deliberate, as we see with Ukraine.

An attack on Iran assumes the clocks speed up, but that is unlikely. For all its problems, Iran is a stable society. It has survived fifty years of American sanctions. It survived a monstrous war against Iraq. They think in the long term and seem to have been thinking for a long time about what will happen if America makes war on them. Victory over Iran means a long, bloody fight, one where the clocks move slowly. What would come after that is decades of blood and treasure.

Ironically, the clock is now ticking on the Trump admin. They can take the bait and fall into another grinding war of attrition. That is the quick answer and the way the trap has been constructed by the trap makers. They want to speed up time for Trump so he cannot wait for better choices. On the other hand, they can just wait to see if better choices emerge over time. In Trump’s office, there are two clocks. One moves normally and the other races forward. Which one does he choose?


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RealityRules #462222 June 18, 2025 8:48 am 123
“The lesson of Iraq should have been that there are no short-term solutions to long-term problems and long-term problems come with long-term costs.”The lesson of Iraq should have been that inventing problems that don’t exist and visiting the most mendacious lies upon a people to enlist to solve it is the road to ruin.America has 65 Million colonizers on its soil that is the majority in several major population centers. They just rose up and openly rioted to defy the enforcement of our national sovereignty and kick them out. They openly waive a foreign flag and announce their intent to conquer 1/3rd of our territory in the name of their race. Americans aren’t even permitted to acknowledge their race. The president of their main homeland openly called upon them as her compatriots to mobilize and cancel the remittance taxes that flow to her coffers and to their compatriots in their homeland. A senator of their homeland held up a map calling for building a wall to buttress the reclamation of the territory we purchased from them after defeating them in war over 150 years ago. They have Congressional representatives in America who openly defy our laws and give speeches in their native tongues admonishing the enforcement of our territorial sovereignty and our federal laws against violent and nefarious crime.This debacle is only one week old, and yet the empire is turned outward trying to regime change a foe 6000 miles away who is no threat to us – at least not if we claim and hold our territory that is buttressed by the world’s two biggest oceans and the most advanced inter-continental nuclear missiles that would annihilate any foe within minutes.The face plant here, on behalf of a people who have and continue to declare themselves a hostile enemy and at the same time the greatest ally and foundational to our existence, is beyond comprehension.Trump should be mobilizing the entirety of the American people to do whatever is necessary to send the tens of millions of invading colonizers home. All talk this week should be Congress mobilizing to tax the remittances to foreign domiciles and end our colonization by doing so. They should earmark that money for paying for legions of American men of pre 1925 stock to purge the homeland of colonizers and criminal gangs of fighting age men.But there is none of that. Instead 500,000 of our supposed most dangerous enemy are going to be here pushing out Americans from Our Universities and installing themselves as a rival elite in our own homeland.I could go on. The lesson of the Iraq war should be obvious. What should be more obvious is the lesson of the last week that our treasonous ruling class seems to care nothing about.
Jack Dodson #462227 June 18, 2025 8:57 am 48
Beautiful comment. It really does feel as if the events of the last week have been so blatant that Joe Normie now realizes the state is his enemy and the war is here.
A Bad Man #462308 June 18, 2025 11:22 am 27
“,,,so blatant that Joe Normie now realizes…”Ah, if only that was the case. In my experience dealing with these people, family, business contacts … that is just not so.At this point, the propaganda is aimed at such a low level that if there is an audience of people that STUPID … that want to convert their wives and sisters into Gold Star Mothers … or see their sons, legless, living under an overpass as passers-by mutter, ‘thank you for your servive’ as they pitch boins into a hat …… I can’t see any way to stop the death cult of 3rd graders .. there is no port in the storm so as long as I make it so they don’t get my children … fuck them all.
Robbo #462813 June 20, 2025 2:35 am 2
Joe Normie won’t do squat. Except morph into José Normie.
karl von hungus #462241 June 18, 2025 9:11 am 42
national anthem sung in spanish should wake up a few people
ray #462253 June 18, 2025 9:20 am 58
Outstanding. The crisis is AT HOME, the enemy is inside the gates, openly looting and burning . . . and we are served up another opportunity to change a nation on the other side of Earth into Globohomo Progland II. Just another betrayal. They’d rather start WW3 than admit that Their Democracy was wrong and is effed.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462260 June 18, 2025 9:25 am 57
Couldn’t agree more. Why are God’s green earth are we focusing on the ME. Who cares. It’s do or die time at home. What a sorry country we’ve become.
NoName #462410 June 18, 2025 3:29 pm 1
Citizen of a Silly Country:It’s do or die time at home.Yesterday [Tuesday June 17th], our local grocery stores ran out of fresh produce [i.e. vegetables], on account of the ICE raids.I corresponded with a number of different Instacart Drivers about it, and they all agreed that the shelves were bare of fresh produce.Personally, I applaud the ICE raids, but empty grocery store shelves are never a good sign.PRO-TIP: Stock up on vitals with long shelf lives, and start re-writing your recipes to exclude fresh produce.I would argue that the ICE-War is vastly more important for Heritage-USA denizens than is any possible Anuddah Shoah for the hook-nosed crowd.But the Summer of 2025 grocery store situation is now starting to feel a lot like the early 2020-COVID lockdowns.And Peeps at /pol/ are starting to ridicule Trump…
GrammaNazi #462454 June 18, 2025 9:01 pm 3
Our farmers markets are overflowing in-season fruits and veg. Dairy, meats and prepared foods. I shopped today and will again on Saturday. The farmers and farmstand workers are nearly all white. -Chicago
george 1 #462305 June 18, 2025 11:14 am 6
Yes. A pity we do not have any leaders who understand this.
My Comment #462313 June 18, 2025 11:37 am 18
They are paid to not understand.
Alzaebo #462445 June 18, 2025 8:15 pm 2
It may be why Netty kicked things off at the same time as No Kings.Can’t have Americans interfering in the Replacement, can we?They might get ideas.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462213 June 18, 2025 8:35 am 64
The US is a boxer who can throw a punch but can neither take a punch nor last past the first round or two, at least not against a decent (but not even great) fighter.Therefore, the blueprint for defeating the US has been laid out. Wait us out. Iran seems to understand this and is saying that it will continue the fight if the US gets involved. Trump and the neocons probably think Iran is bluffing. If so, we attack and then we find out.Regardless, it’s a supremely stupid bet on Trump’s part. He wins little but could lose everything. What a chump.
Jack Dodson #462216 June 18, 2025 8:39 am 30
They seem to be shifting from regime change to a likely pointless MOAB strike as of this a.m. Rank idiocy to have gotten to this point.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462219 June 18, 2025 8:44 am 26
Yeah, shifting the narrative allows them to hit Iran with some bunker busters and declare victory. Iran says that it will continue with its nuke program and also declares victory – but quietly stops. Everyone is satisfied. Except Israel. This was always about regime change, never about nukes, which Iran didn’t even want. Will the Israel Lobby allow this kind of peace? I doubt it, but, for once, they may not be able to stop it. Regardless, Trump should jump at it.
Jack Dodson #462221 June 18, 2025 8:47 am 26
The most terrifying part? There was absolutely no anticipation of the fierce blowback/rage. Israel also will declare victory after the boom-boom if they cannot get their American servants to do the dirty work.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462235 June 18, 2025 9:06 am 32
Sure, but it will be a big loss for Israel. All of the global trends are working against them. Their power relative to Iran’s will fall over time. The US is receding into a regional power. Iran will do more trade with the BRICs. Missile technology works in Iran’s favor. There’s a reason Israel felt the need to roll the dice now rather than wait.
Jack Dodson #462246 June 18, 2025 9:14 am 13
I’ve been writing for a while now that the window is closing for Israel to commit outrages so it will accelerate them. How many wars has Israel lost in recent decades? Three, I think. It has an even bleaker future than the GAE although it will remain an intact ethnostate albeit something of a backwater with nukes for a bit.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462274 June 18, 2025 9:46 am 16
Yes, an Israel dominated by Orthodox Jews isn’t going to be great – for anyone including Israel. Iran and Saudi Arabia trading with the BRICs will make more independent and less vulnerable to US threats. Finally, US power will continue to wane. Granted, Israel’s population is growing nicely, but, outside of that, its future looks to be a much less powerful country. It’s not going anywhere, but its ability push around its neighbors if fading. We’re probably witnessing a high-water mark for Israel right now.
Evil Sandmich #462329 June 18, 2025 12:02 pm 2
It’s not 1948 anymore. The Jews in Israel expect that they’re moving to New York On The Med so how many will bug out when they have to hide out in their bomb shelters several times a month while the power grid fades in and out? Given a couple years of that the place will be a shell of it’s former self with a bunch of Bibi psycho cases along with the Bearded Bunch who will figure they can get a deal to live in peace if they turn the area over to the Saudis (which they’d be correct).
crabe-tambour #462304 June 18, 2025 11:08 am 10
Israel, in the form of Netanyahu, who needs to keep as many plates spinning as possible in his attempt to stave off prison time. It’s amazing–or, rather, appalling– how long Israeli politicos stay in power or remain in opposition, given the blood sport that is Israeli politics. Anyway, I’m a little behind the curve in antagonism toward Israel, but I voted for the frail hope of peace abroad (a/k/a not fighting others’ wars) and the prospect of prosperity and personal liberty at home. OOPS! Trump’s a’ la carte approach to politics and his junking of dealmaking in favor of an ultimatum should give pause to even his most devoted acolytes.
TempoNick #462346 June 18, 2025 12:19 pm 3
I don’t dislike the Jews or israel, nor do I want to lick their boots like so many evangelicals. I dislike the hold it has over what is supposedly the most powerful nation on planet earth. It smells to high heaven. That’s why I’ve been calling the GOP Israel Firsters Uncle Toms lately. The name fits like a glove.
Robbo #462819 June 20, 2025 2:55 am 1
Neither do I, but Israel is going to drag us all down into WW3.
Robbo #462818 June 20, 2025 2:55 am 0
This is Trump’s “Read my lips: no new taxes!” moment.
TempoNick #462345 June 18, 2025 12:16 pm 3
And there is still the issue of 8 million people trying to push around a nation with 92 million people. The math just doesn’t work.
Xman #462413 June 18, 2025 4:05 pm 14
I sincerely hope Israel gets a smackdown good and hard. I’m sick of this little pissant country controlling our foreign policy like a monkey on an elephant. I think they’re about to find out that fighting Iran isn’t going to be quite as easy as blowing up apartment buildings full of unarmed women and children in Gaza.
Robbo #462817 June 20, 2025 2:54 am 0
And the demographics are horrible. The only Israelis still breeding are the orthodox Jews who don’t even recognize the state of Israel.
Jannie #462280 June 18, 2025 10:02 am 9
If Israel does not achieve its (Netanyahu’s) originally stated rationale of taking out Iran’s nuclear program, Bibi is toast domestically.
Jack Dodson #462299 June 18, 2025 10:35 am 11
It is amazing he lasted this long. I suspect he will join his son in Miami Beach to avoid extradition.
Robbo #462820 June 20, 2025 2:56 am 1
You mean his son isn’t slogging his guts out in urban combat in Gaza like the other men of his age? Wow!
crabe-tambour #462364 June 18, 2025 12:58 pm 4
Politically, he’s a dead man walking; the IDF has relied on quick wars waged by reservists. The relative stalemate in the Strip has served to prolong his tenure but also delay the inevitable. Maybe his hope is to be ruled unfit to stand trial–yet those judges he failed to appoint may be gunning for him.
crabe-tambour #462392 June 18, 2025 2:14 pm 3
I meant to write that the closed shop that is the Israeli judiciary might want to send him away, since he wanted to upset their apple cart by appointing judges. Not unreasonable, but the populace didn’t want Bibi facing his appointees.
TempoNick #462328 June 18, 2025 12:01 pm 9
I gave JD a little historical lesson about what happened to all the well-heeled Republican suburbs around here after Bush II bumbled into Iraq using the example of Upper Arlington, Ohio on his Twitter feed. JD should be familiar with that town since he went to The Ohio State University which is right next door.After Bush stumbled into Iraq, virtually the same amount of Republicans were pissed about it as what we’ve seen the last few days. I started seeing Democrat campaign signs in those suburbs to a degree never seen before. Those suburbs have gotten progressively more Democrat ever since, no pun intended.They will do the same thing to MAGA if they don’t stop being Israel’s Uncle Toms.
Alzaebo #462450 June 18, 2025 8:25 pm -1
Drop it and bounce. Israel will be left to deal with the afterwards; the optics of that will weaken the neocon grip on America. As streamer Asmongold says, “Trump didn’t like the deal, so he blew up the table.” Asmon also noted Trump’s quiet diplomacy getting agreement from all principals beforehand. Even Russia and China signed on. Iran is a competitor and potential threat to her neighbors, Russia and China stand to gain more in their dealings with us than they can get a gangster theocracy. Why do you think Hegseth dropped Ukraine? Part of the deal, to Russia’s benefit.
Robbo #462816 June 20, 2025 2:53 am 0
Maybe Trump can do that if he has finesse (yeah, yeah, I know) but there is no way Israel can do it. Unless the Israelis get a total victory and regime change, then they have lost and they are doomed. I see absolutely no future for Israel whatever the result of this debacle. And millions of Israelis are ready to vote with their feet and abandon the project.
TempoNick #462327 June 18, 2025 11:56 am 0
Why should they stop? I would throw as many resources into it as I could afford at this point.
Robbo #462815 June 20, 2025 2:52 am 0
The regime change everyone wants is in Tel Aviv, not Tehran.
ray #462242 June 18, 2025 9:12 am 2
In the process, betraying that regime change is what they wanted originally.
Captain Willard #462223 June 18, 2025 8:49 am 17
Like I said here yesterday, we thought we were getting “eye of the tiger” Rocky with Trump 2.0, but instead we got the bloated, tired Ali whom Holmes jabbed into a sad retirement.
karl von hungus #462238 June 18, 2025 9:10 am 0
Trump Murdock:https://youtu.be/7T1mpYdJsVQ?t=46
Arshad Ali #462262 June 18, 2025 9:27 am 21
“Regardless, it’s a supremely stupid bet on Trump’s part. He wins little but could lose everything. What a chump.” Maybe he has no choice. Maybe he made a Faustian pact with the Israel Lobby and the deep state to be allowed into power. The first promise he’s going to go back on is: “Read my lips: no more wars.”
Horace #462326 June 18, 2025 11:56 am 22
That’s exactly my take. He made a deal within the context of the ongoing conflict among the International Jews, siding with the Israel-First faction against the Rothschild/Blackrock faction. That’s why he was so dismissive of Gabbard. It didn’t matter if she was correct. He made a deal and HAD to satisfy his end of the bargain in good faith.My problem is that it is clear that what he wanted out of the deal was a chance to save ‘the country’ rather than the chance to save OUR PEOPLE and the rest of the European nations. I don’t give a goddamn rat’s ass about ‘the country’ which has become a Judeopuritan progressive abomination.
Ozornik #462363 June 18, 2025 12:51 pm 12
Let’s stop calling it a ‘country’ and start calling it a ‘territory’. Even Russia at the time of Perestroika had more coherent sense of national identity.
Vizzini #462451 June 18, 2025 8:29 pm 7
Trump has been a diehard Zionist his entire life. He didn’t have to “make a deal.” He’s a believer. Look who his daughter married — into the Kushner crime family. Look who he pardoned last term — when it wasn’t black thugs it was Jewish criminals. Epstein was one of his best friends.
TempoNick #462455 June 18, 2025 9:24 pm 2
Don’t forget that he made Ivanka’s father in law an ambassador. (To France, I think.)
Robbo #462822 June 20, 2025 2:59 am 1
Exactly. I get sick of all this “Trump’s just a powerless victim” crap.
Robbo #462821 June 20, 2025 2:58 am 0
I think both current assumptions are correct: he has no choice because the Zionists put him back in power; but he is also personally fine with where this is going.
c matt #462298 June 18, 2025 10:34 am 3
Operation FAFO
Captain Willard #462228 June 18, 2025 8:58 am 46
The Ukraine game isn’t over folks. Iran is just the halftime show. The second half starts soon. Russia is up a touchdown and starting to wear down the blue/yellow defense. Yes, the Ukraine “trick play” worked on the bombers, but the stats show the Russian yardage advantage. Anything longer than a Super Bowl is beyond our national attention span anyway. Nobody will be watching until the Russians roll up to the Dnieper and Trump has to make some tough decisions. And now, a message from Pfizer…
Jeffrey Zoar #462236 June 18, 2025 9:06 am 24
Now that’s putting it in language that the grillers can understand!
Jannie #462285 June 18, 2025 10:09 am 1
Five years ago this war wouldn’t have happened: 1) Russian military was assumed to be much more powerful, especially after their defeat of ISIS in Syria.2) Iran’s army was assumed to be much more powerful, especially after they helped Russia defeat ISIS in Syria.3) Nobody thought Israel could seriously cripple Hezbollah within a matter of days.4) Everyone assumed Russia would step in to defend a key ally (Iran) like they did with Assad.
Jack Dodson #462211 June 18, 2025 8:34 am 42
They have more missiles and drones than Iran has attack missiles and air defense.I think you meant “Israel” there.A noticeable shift has happened over the last twelve hours. “Nikki” “Haley,” the most serpentine, stupid Israel shill imaginable, just posted that Iranian regime change is not a goal, and implying it is not even possible. Her message: take out the nuke sites! This is where this is probably heading.My guess is the normal narrative magic not only backfired but stirred up a lot of latent, fully justified anti-Israel sentiment. The Tucker interview with Ted Cruz, in addition to being amusing, laid bare the utter ignorance of those supposedly in charge, and might have actually mattered. Narratives have a hard time when confronted by reality these days.The fierce blowback may have saved Trump from a historically stupid betrayal, which likely means he will crack down on X and the friends who criticized the Iranian war. Of course, the toxic blend of senility and retardation may lead him to revert to the original intention to join the war and torch whatever remains of the political movement he started, but that seems less likely as of five minutes ago.The GAE is in a new era regardless.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462217 June 18, 2025 8:41 am 24
Yeah, they’ll switch the narrative to taking out the nuke sites, then hit Iran with some bunker busters and declare victory.The big question is whether Iran plays along. Will Iran just admit defeat. Not a great look. Iran could say that they will continue to work on their nuclear program – and thus they’ve won – but quietly stop. The US says Iran is do debilitated that their program doesn’t matter and also declares victory – again. Probably the best outcome.However, that’s not what Israel wants. Iran never wanted nukes. This whole thing was about regime change. My scenario doesn’t achieve that. Will the Israeli Lobby allow this? Maybe, for once, they won’t get what they want in Congress.
Jack Dodson #462240 June 18, 2025 9:11 am 29
The problem long term is Congress doesn’t matter. The intelligence services will continue to play fuck-fuck games one way or the other. Even more than AIPAC, the IC is the biggest cancer on the republic now. I do think bombing and a declaration of victory has become the decided narrative, though.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462255 June 18, 2025 9:22 am 34
The IC can try, but as I’ve mentioned, historical trends are working against Israel and the US IC.Iran will get stronger via trade with the BRICs. Our sanctions will be less debilitating by the year. As our military power wans, the IC and Israel are left with only color revolutions, but those are more difficult since 1) everyone has learned how to deal with them and 2) more prosperous regimes are far, far less vulnerable.Basically, the world is moving on. The way that you beat Jews and the US is disengagement. Don’t let them into your life and have a military strong enough to keep them at bay.
Jack Dodson #462264 June 18, 2025 9:33 am 12
Agreed. It almost is unfathomable even now how much is beyond the US’s direct control. The IC–really, the entirety of the Anglosphere’s IC–has essentially been its own quasi-autonomous rogue government a long time. I can see it retaining marginally more power than the governments it ostensibly serves. There’s been a lot lost in the noise of the last few days, but it has been confirmed that China did help manipulate the 2020 election, and, even worse, the IC sat on that information. My guess is it subcontracted the job.
ray #462269 June 18, 2025 9:42 am 18
‘The IC–really, the entirety of the Anglosphere’s IC–has essentially been its own quasi-autonomous rogue government a long time’ Intel has directed the deep state bureaucracies at least since ’63, as we were discussing yesterday. They are the permanent government. They red-pen Hollywood, they control info ingress and egress. They paint the picture. Mostly a combo of U.S. and Brit ‘services’, I’d guess. They really are sister nations.
Jack Dodson #462271 June 18, 2025 9:45 am 2
Yes. I do have to note that some of the more surprisingly venomous outfits are found in places like Australia and non-Anglo Italy, though.
Paintersforms #462353 June 18, 2025 12:31 pm 4
I’d take a return of an unabashedly Anglo-American establishment at this point. Redraw the lines, eventually back to ‘76. Devolve the whole thing. No more gay world blob.
ray #462417 June 18, 2025 4:52 pm 0
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Grant #462312 June 18, 2025 11:36 am 7
“We’re not going to war against Iran. We’re just committing an act of war against them!”
Robbo #462824 June 20, 2025 3:02 am 0
Maybe Iran will do some kind of deal, but I don’t see it. They seem to have a slither of ascendency right now, and Putin and Lavrov will tell them that you don’t do deals when you are in the front seat. Also, what deal could they make? If they sign something, Israel and the US will back in a year’s time with more “demands”.
Mycale #462229 June 18, 2025 8:58 am 41
Anyone who thinks that it will just stop at a bunch of bunker busters is just fooling themselves. Obviously the Lobby and the neocons and Israel are working hard to tell us that it’s no big deal if we just give them what they want, it’s just a few missiles, they’ll take care of it, then it will be over, don’t you want peace? We’ve literally gone through this exact rigamorale for centuries. “Hey, no need to get involved in the war, just lease Britain and the USSR some weapons.” I mean, COME ON.FFS, we can’t fall for this yet again. “Nikki” “Haley” would not be suggesting this if she didn’t know that it was the path to get what her benefactors want, which is total regime change war with Iran and the mop-up operation afterwards and tens of millions of Muslim refugees in the west. I see stuff like this and I see normies falling for it and I think the Jews are right, we really are cattle.
Jack Dodson #462234 June 18, 2025 9:05 am 16
But that’s where it is heading, bombing and a quick announcement of victory. Reality–including the ability to produce arms–will be the deciding factor. “Nikki” “Haley” indeed is doing what she has been told, and that’s to take down the anti-Israel temperature a notch.
Mycale #462239 June 18, 2025 9:10 am 13
The only reason we are talking about bunker busters now is because Israel’s “decapitation” aggression strike failed. They tried to declare victory afterwards and were triumphant in the media… until missiles started raining down on Haifa and Tel Aviv. What happens when bunker busters fail? Remember Israel is the one in control here.
thezman #462245 June 18, 2025 9:14 am 33
It is the question never asked. “Then what?”
DLS #462291 June 18, 2025 10:15 am 27
Then Iran retaliates enough to drag us into a 20 year quagmire. I’m sure the Israelis have thought this far ahead. Bog down the US in a long war, drain its treasury and feed off its husk, while keeping their mortal enemy in a box. It’s a great plan, assuming their bribes are enough to keep our politicians betraying America.
A Bad Man #462319 June 18, 2025 11:46 am 10
“…to keep our politicians betraying America.” When Miss Lindsay and the Lightbringer Obama share a coat closet, who is on top? Asking for a friend.
Pozymandias #462459 June 18, 2025 11:20 pm 1
Both. The American people are on the bottom taking it from both at once.
TempoNick #462324 June 18, 2025 11:53 am 4
That’s what they do to corporate America so why not America, Inc.
CorkyAgain #462377 June 18, 2025 1:32 pm 10
Where does Israel get the money for those bribes? Something tells me it’s probably moneywegave them and is coming back in the form of kickbacks. It’s the playbook these crooked politicians are using everywhere else, so why not here too?
NoName #462435 June 18, 2025 7:54 pm 6
CorkyAgain:“Where does Israel get the money for those bribes?“From the Federal Reserve.Peeps don’t realize that 9-11 was not the first of the Great Hustles.That, in fact, Alan Greenspan had already staged a Great Hustle, on “Black Monday”, October 19, 1987, which opened the spigots at the Federal Reserve.Then about two decades later, Hank Paulson opened up the spigots even further, with the “TARP” act, which he shoved down George W Bush’s throat in a panic-stricken Oval Office meeting.Ever since then, the spigots at the Federal Reserve have been wide open for the Chosen Ones.It’s been a never-ending flow of money [and one could easily make the argument that it goes all the way back to Jekyll Island].
Jack Dodson #462250 June 18, 2025 9:17 am 8
They will lie about the bunker bomb results one way or another. And as Z just posted, second order consequences ceased to be a consideration long ago. This is shaping up to the the GAE’s Suez Crisis although that never will be the narrative.
Citizen of a Silly Country #462251 June 18, 2025 9:18 am 17
That’s the big question, isn’t it. Trump drops some bunker busters, Iran refuses to buckle, both declare victory and look to end this. But Israel wants regime change. Indeed, Israel needs regime change because historical trends are working against it. The US is getting relatively weaker. Iran is getting stronger with BRICS. Missile technology favors Iran. Israel gets weaker day by day relative to Iran. It has to be now.
A Bad Man #462321 June 18, 2025 11:48 am 17
“It has to be now.” THIS is the key. I talk with young people all the time in my travels. The HATE Israel. I knoiw college admin folks — they are PROUD of their students for HATING Israel/ Frankly I cannot think of ONE person under 30 I know that does not HATE Israel.
Ostei Kozelskii #462383 June 18, 2025 1:42 pm 2
“I knoiw college admin folks — they are PROUD of their students for HATING Israel/” If anything should give you pause, that is it. I’m no fan of Israel, but I positively loathe academic administrators/profs and so should you. And if your views align with theirs you should probably rethink them.
Jeffrey Zoar #462394 June 18, 2025 2:19 pm 11
Stopped clocks and whatnot. I don’t define myself by the opposition, at least not 100% of the time.
NoName #462437 June 18, 2025 7:58 pm 2
So apparently Kozelskii is a j00? Because 110% of all the kooky personalities in USA Universities were trained in kookiness by their j00ish professors. The j00z have only themselves to blame for that outcome.
A Bad Man #462484 June 19, 2025 7:46 am 0
Hmm. Okay, first I was reporting on THEIR views as espoused, first person. My “alignment” with the people of Slackademia is 0%. TFCB.
Bloated Boomer #462460 June 19, 2025 12:41 am 1
“Normies”.Seems like half the codgers in here are chomping at the bit to cave in, too.
ProZNoV #462275 June 18, 2025 9:48 am 15
In Washington: Success is a complete collapse in Iran following 2 weeks of air strikes. Not discussed: a million plus dead as the Iran devolves into civil war. Plus millions flooding into Europe. But hey, not our problem. And the 51st state, senior state among equals, is quite pleased.
Jeffrey Zoar #462281 June 18, 2025 10:04 am 19
One could conclude that the flood of refugees is desired
Jack Dodson #462290 June 18, 2025 10:13 am 22
Absolutely. For example, the primary reason Bukele is hated is because he halted the flow of Salvadorans to the United States. Complaints about human rights are just a smoke screen.
TempoNick #462292 June 18, 2025 10:19 am 15
I was going to type the same thing. Iran seems pretty well stocked in the missile and drone department. I am still holding out hope that Trump is playing the game of letting the usual suspects expose themselves, but I have to admit that after the last few days, it’s hard to believe that he hasn’t been sucked into “Israel First.”
Bloated Boomer #462461 June 19, 2025 12:49 am 3
Trust the plan nicky, just two more weeks to flatten the curve.
TempoNick #462294 June 18, 2025 10:24 am 25
Also funny how Ted Cruz’s stock has fallen. He was supposed to be the most brilliant constitutionalist the academy has ever produced. He’s nothing special.
Jeffrey Zoar #462314 June 18, 2025 11:38 am 15
If Texas can’t produce a better class of R senator they are going to risk losing those seats. Which probably wouldn’t bother the GOP.
NoName #462440 June 18, 2025 8:02 pm 4
TempoNick:“Also funny how Ted Cruz’s stock has fallen.” Have you seen Tucker’s existential deconstruction of Ted Cruz? It’s beyond brutal; it’s arguably sadistic [be sure to un-click the mute button, so that you can hear the audio]: https://x.com/Acyn/status/1935139648478789768
Robbo #462826 June 20, 2025 3:16 am 0
Remember when he and Paul Ryan were the Great White Hope of the conservative movement?
Luthers Turd #462917 June 20, 2025 11:25 am 0
Cruz’s reason for support of Isreal (Our Greatest Ally) is biblical… Oh my, evangelical Schofeldism is going to drag us into WWIII. Really can’t make this shit up. Lutheer’s Turd
roo_ster #462395 June 18, 2025 2:21 pm 4
Even if Trump limits this to a perfunctory deep penetration bunker-buster vs a nuke site it still may blow up horribly in his face. Serbs bagged a stealth fighter, the Iranians could bag a stealth bomber. A B-2 going down in flames would be a mess.
Robbo #462823 June 20, 2025 3:00 am 1
They’re going for consolation prizes. If the nuke hits fail, it will be “Hey, we only ever wanted to thin out their military leadership. Mission accomplished!”
NateG #462232 June 18, 2025 9:01 am 39
The problem is that neocons think they’re smarter and better than everyone else. It’s in their DNA and they cannot change.You can give them a tour of underground Iranian bases or Russian military accomplishments and they’ll go home and say those countries are backward. Until neocons are purged from every decision making process, this will continue and the rest of the world will suffer.
Vizzini #462449 June 18, 2025 8:24 pm 2
The problem is that neocons think they’re smarter and better than everyone else. “Neocons”
TempoNick #462456 June 18, 2025 9:25 pm 2
(((Neocons)))
Chmi #462475 June 19, 2025 2:29 am 1
Good luck purging a cohesive circle that commands limitless money from decision centers of a country, and a planet, whose prime God is none other than money.
Pickle Rick #462256 June 18, 2025 9:24 am 35
After watching those fat, dumpy, shuffling shitbags of the Army file past him last week, the BOM’s appetite for foreign wars might be muted a bit, since those turds are going to lose the next war.
Jack Dodson #462267 June 18, 2025 9:40 am 23
That was genuinely pathetic, the Special Olympics of military parades.
Zfan #462296 June 18, 2025 10:28 am 18
It did look like my Navy Reserve unit marching down the road. To think I could’ve been a contender— in Special Olympics
ray #462365 June 18, 2025 12:58 pm 9
China and Russia were roaring in laughter and shouting, ‘More!’. Their military parades feature huge swathes of hard, war-ready men marching in perfect order. New Amerika’s parades feature entitled princesses taking selfies of each other and fat, clueless homos. Their daddies are SO proud of them! The nation’s leaders are sure they’ll be just fine in combat because, hey, they fight great in the movies!
Jack Dodson #462424 June 18, 2025 5:41 pm 3
I’ve never watched a “gay pride” parade and never intend to do so, but it is hard to believe it could be more faggy and sloppy.
Zulu Juliet #462283 June 18, 2025 10:06 am 15
I saw a short snippet of the “parade” and it looked like a bunch of basic trainees route- stepping to the mess hall. Seriously.
Grant #462317 June 18, 2025 11:45 am -9
You’re falling for the psyop. The initial leftist talking point was “Trump can’t have a military parade, that makes him a fascist!” When that didn’t work, they shifted to “look how slovenly our military looks. The 75th Ranger Regiment can’t march in step!” as if the Rangers actively devote any time at all to drill and ceremony. The Armydoeshave several units whose sole duty is D&C (Pershing’s Own, the Old Guard) and they excel at it beyond any other nation’s counterparts. Yammering on about how the most lethal infantry unit in the world are walking down the road in route-step march instead of like wind-up toys is what all of the NPCs are doing.The Sukholinov effect states that the military with the most ornate uniforms (which I’d extend to prowess at conducting dog-and-pony shows) always loses. Likewise, the 29th and 30th items on Murphy’s Laws of Combat Operations is that no combat ready unit has ever passed inspection and no inspection ready unit has ever passed combat. The US has always had a reputation for being scrappy and “undisciplined” compared to our European counterparts. It’s something we used to be proud of.
Pickle Rick #462359 June 18, 2025 12:42 pm 29
Bullshit. I was a United States Marine when that meant something. I could fucking march like a champion and handle a 240G machine gun. They were not mutually exclusive, because both involved discipline and pride, which the Army has none of anymore.
Dutchboy #462378 June 18, 2025 1:32 pm 8
True. Even army basic training graduates could march competently not so long ago.
Jeffrey Zoar #462393 June 18, 2025 2:15 pm 9
Basic marching that looks good is not difficult. Guide front, guide right, step off with the cadence. Any retard can do it. Many retards have done it.
Dutchboy #462398 June 18, 2025 2:31 pm 3
Dress it right and cover downForty inches all aroundThat’s the Ft. Ord boogieWhat a crazy sound!
Ostei Kozelskii #462406 June 18, 2025 3:23 pm 2
Many retardsaredoing it. In the AINO Army.
Luthers Turd #462919 June 20, 2025 11:31 am 0
Haha, my fuggin’ Coast Guard class at basic marched better! Luther’s Turd
Jannie #462390 June 18, 2025 2:08 pm 5
Clinton dropped the standards significantly. Today’s military seem like a mixed bag: absolute social dregs on the one hand, valiant paladins on the other (based on my acquaintances and observations).
george 1 #462421 June 18, 2025 5:06 pm 4
Absolutely. The Marines do march well and look good. At least they did a few years ago. No one was expecting a Russian Victory Day celebration but they certainly could have done better than that parade.
Grant #462836 June 20, 2025 6:07 am 0
Ok, boomer.
Ketchup-stained griller #462431 June 18, 2025 7:47 pm 0
Sherman was proud of his ragtag bunch of hooligans marching through DC after tearing Georgia and the Carolinas new assholes.
Luthers Turd #462918 June 20, 2025 11:30 am 0
And the last war the FUSA won was, Granada? Looks like we need to tighten up…. Luther’s Turd
Dutchboy #462376 June 18, 2025 1:30 pm 7
Consider this: those Sad Sacks were Rangers, the army’s hardest core. They marched like the Keystone Kops.
Robbo #462839 June 20, 2025 6:14 am 2
Didn’t they let women in a while back? That always destroys the standards – as it’s meant to do.
george 1 #462419 June 18, 2025 5:00 pm 5
Yes. It was embarrassing to say the least.
Robbo #462838 June 20, 2025 6:12 am 0
They all had that General Milley “I slept in my uniform” look.
Wolf Barney #462215 June 18, 2025 8:36 am 35
This is the moment, the dividing line where MAGA finds out what side Trump is on. There have been other times where Trump sided with the Global American Regime over MAGA, such as the experimental mRNA shots, and “bringing more legal immigrants than ever before,” but this is the big one that MAGA can’t ignore like the others.
Mr. Invisible #462224 June 18, 2025 8:51 am 40
I wonder about the psychological after-effects of this. Trump has immense symbolic power to tens of millions of people. In their minds, his victory was a vindication of American liberal democracy, in that — for once — their preferences were triumphant in a national election. It will not happen again in their lifetimes, and he represented, more or less, their last, best chance.As you say, his betrayal will be impossible to ignore. It will entail confronting a very ugly truth that many others have known for much longer, and were far better prepared to accept than Joe Normie. Once it becomes evident thatthis was it, there is no one coming to save them, I have to wonder how a very unstable, angry citizenry will handle that lesson.
karl von hungus #462243 June 18, 2025 9:14 am 5
Flounder finding out the truth:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQCb3qrBpo&ab_channel=SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
ray #462258 June 18, 2025 9:25 am 11
‘I have to wonder how a very unstable, angry citizenry will handle that lesson’ . . . especially as the cities riot and burn. This is only mid-June. The fireworks haven’t even begun.
Ostei Kozelskii #462384 June 18, 2025 1:44 pm 2
I was in Pittsburgh a few days ago and there was no rioting or burning.Somecities have experienced rioting and destruction, and most seem to be in lovely, sensible California. Let’s not exaggerate.
iForgotmyPen #462261 June 18, 2025 9:26 am 31
I’m sure Trump will lose a portion of his base, but I think the majority will just memory-hole the betrayal or get right on board with the latest middle east adventure. I’ve heard it from friends and family. They “don’t want war” with Iran, but they think we need to go destroy their nuclear facilities. To them, Iran is trying to get a bomb because they want to nuke the US. Trying to explain to them that this is not a movie just doesn’t register. It is like arguing with Fox news.
Mycale #462279 June 18, 2025 10:01 am 19
I saw a full court press on X from anons, likely a lot of bots, to rally support. All the expected propaganda, calling people who opposite it third-worldists and brown, the “I don’t trust some MAGA grifter, I trust TRUMP” stuff, etc. They’re going to try to lump people like me who oppose it with the dirty hippies on the left and it’s probably going to work.Are people falling for it? I saw one post about a poll about 75% of peope being opposed to Iran’s nuclear program, up 51 points. Where were these people ten years ago when Trump ripped up the JCPOA? this is how easy it is for these neocons and warmongers to get normies on their side.
iForgotmyPen #462320 June 18, 2025 11:48 am 23
It’s embarrassing how easy it is to fool people. I had a conversation with a normie about how Iran has allegedly been trying to get nukes for 40 years. I asked him if he thought it was really that hard for a country that produces more engineers than we do (not counting all the foreigners we degree) to develop a nuke? I proded a bit- do you think maybe there might be something more at play here than Iran is just about to get nukes? And even if they are, why do you assume Iran immediately begins shooting them into US cities? He just spouted exactly what you get from Fox news and ghouls like Cruz and Graham. “Of course Iran wants to kill us! They hate us for our freedom!”There’s just no getting through to these people.
Ostei Kozelskii #462366 June 18, 2025 1:01 pm 8
Frankly, Iran nuking AINO back to the stone age might be a good thing. Give us a chance at a fresh start… (-;
Vizzini #462448 June 18, 2025 8:23 pm 7
Yep. If Pakistan and North Korea can have nukes for decades and restrain themselves, it gets kinda hard to panic about Iran getting them.
Jannie #462466 June 19, 2025 1:23 am 1
Nothing learned after the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles; trillions $$ p*ssed away, tens of thousands of American lives ruined (not to mention the poor folk we “liberated”)…
Chmi #462479 June 19, 2025 2:54 am 0
They seek to be fooled (by those they perceive as dominant authorities), and they hunger for nothing as much as they do being hypnotically deceived — again, not by everyone but by those who appear to be at the top.Enough of them, anyway. Due to hard-wired evolutionary mental features.
george 1 #462373 June 18, 2025 1:25 pm 8
All it took this time was a very sloppy looking military parade, afterward Lee Greenwood singing “Proud to be an American” and Trump posting every 15 minutes: “Iran cannot have nukes.”
Mycale #462485 June 19, 2025 7:47 am 1
The whole Lee Greenwood thing is so cringe. I mean, the song is horrible, but for MAGA boomers, I get it, but also he’s old and has lost his voice, and sounds horrible.
TempoNick #462300 June 18, 2025 10:36 am 33
I’ve changed my mind. I am fully on board with Iran getting nukes at this point. They deserve to have enough strength in their arsenal so that they don’t get effed with by Israel and all the Israel Firsters in the US government.
iForgotmyPen #462322 June 18, 2025 11:51 am 17
Pakistan having nukes is a pretty solid argument that Iran having them wouldn’t end in world annihilation. You’ll notice the difference between the two countries is not its Muslim extremism- it’s the direct proximity to Our Greatest Little Friend.
Robbo #462828 June 20, 2025 3:19 am 1
Yep. Just scroll through the Q sites and Conservative Treehouse. True believers gonna true believe.
Mike #462270 June 18, 2025 9:44 am 24
I’m going out on a limb here, but if the neocons go to war for Israel against Iran, Trump will not finish his term. After seeing his social media diarrhea the last couple weeks, I seriously question his fitness for office. He may not be much better than Biden was. He seems to be in the senior citizen anger and rage phase before his mind starts to go really fast.Vance is far from perfect but at least he isn’t a candidate for the nursing home. He also hopefully is someone who just goes through the motions of Israel support because he had to not because he’s a true believer.
ProZNoV #462276 June 18, 2025 9:52 am 21
Some wag on X noted that Trump’s “Unconditional Surrender!” tweet was already accurate. Trump and the US have already surrendered to you know who. Trump just stating the obvious.
Ben the Layabout #462331 June 18, 2025 12:03 pm 8
Vance has likely been co-opted since he was a callow “media specialist” in a war zone.
Hemid #462348 June 18, 2025 12:23 pm 11
Nobody is “co-opted.” Vance is a globohomo neocon/neolib because he hates you and wants you to die. He’s smart enough to pretend otherwise, sometimes. Not this week. He leaped to the front of the “regime-changing Iran is a core premise of MAGA” messaging brigade because this war willkill your children. He values nothing else.
NoName #462443 June 18, 2025 8:10 pm 4
With Vance, the big question regards the nature of the Peter Thiel Sodomite Industrial Complex, and what precisely are their goals in all of this? An@lly raping all of the White Christian boys in the USA? We still don’t have any clue as to the personages which ackshually created the Peter Thiel phenomenon.
Robbo #462832 June 20, 2025 6:02 am 0
C’mon, man, he wrote “Hillbilly Elegy”. He’s one of us, just like you and me!
Vizzini #462447 June 18, 2025 8:20 pm 2
Vance, the Veep from Palantir and protege of fag Thiel.
Bloated Boomer #462465 June 19, 2025 1:20 am 1
Vance is a totally manufactured entity, including his name. Why would it be better to have an empty vessel?
Robbo #462833 June 20, 2025 6:03 am 0
Yep. He’s the GOP version of Obama. A cardboard cut out.
Robbo #462831 June 20, 2025 6:01 am 0
I don’t think the idea of Trump not finishing his office is really going out on a limb anymore. It’s an idea that is gaining strength. Vance can be the GOP’s Kamala!
c matt #462302 June 18, 2025 10:39 am 16
It will be handled by dropping out. I would hope the biggest drop will come in reduced military enlistments.
Robbo #462834 June 20, 2025 6:03 am 1
Enlistments are back up. Becos ‘Murica!
Chmi #462478 June 19, 2025 2:52 am 1
It’s not betrayal, but the emergence of the obvious.He was allowed to win, to enrich himself disproportionately with the MelaniaCoins and their likes, and relieved of his “legal problems” because of an agreement.
Robbo #462827 June 20, 2025 3:18 am 0
That was only ever the choice: a Man on a White Horse or total breakdown and a possible rebuild. Trump has killed off the first option forever.
TempoNick #462350 June 18, 2025 12:24 pm 7
Reagan wasn’t the same after they shot him, either. Maybe that’s what we are witnessing, even though Private Bone Spurs only got shot in the ear.
Dutchboy #462371 June 18, 2025 1:21 pm 3
He started showing the early signs of Alzheimer’s.
Mike #462412 June 18, 2025 3:42 pm 1
This came in this afternoon, I’m afraid it’s right. (9) Where We Stand, Wednesday Midday – by Mark Wauck
rayS #462408 June 18, 2025 3:25 pm 2
Bone spurs on the privates is a serious matter. Bah-dum-bum. Was that Trump’s war dodge?
TempoNick #462414 June 18, 2025 4:16 pm 1
Yes, I believe so.
george 1 #462370 June 18, 2025 1:17 pm 12
Many are ignoring it though. Go over to Conservative Treehouse and see the contortions those people go though to claim Trump is right on Iran. It never occurs to these people that all of them would be up in arms if the Biden Regime had done exactly what Trump is doing now.
Jeffrey Zoar #462416 June 18, 2025 4:29 pm 8
I only had to read for a few seconds before I saw a comment comparing Tucker to Neville Chamberlain
Jannie #462467 June 19, 2025 1:27 am 2
Sick of the constant B.S. “Neville Chamberlain = appeasing coward” comparisons. Britain was in no condition to take on Hitler in 1938. They weren’t even ready in 1940. What was Nev supposed to do? He sought to buy time to rearm. Nobody wanted to relive the horrors of WW1.
Wolf Barney #462436 June 18, 2025 7:54 pm 2
I’m afraid you’re probably correct.
Robbo #462835 June 20, 2025 6:04 am 1
The people on that site are insane. And all the OTT conservative Christian crap to justify whatever Trump does.
Bloated Boomer #462463 June 19, 2025 1:13 am 3
Pretty shocking people would forgive the immigration issue when that was the main selling point.
Jeffrey Zoar #462214 June 18, 2025 8:36 am 35
Virtually all wars throughout history (to include Russia’s invasion of Ukraine) were begun by people who thought victory would be quick and/or easy. There are not very many exceptions. What distinguishes the GAE is its predilection for finding someone new to make war on, whether directly or by proxy, every 5-10 years, save for a brief window post-Vietnam in which it mostly gave it a rest (but still couldn’t resist Grenada and sending the jarheads to Beirut).The distinguishing feature of the current dustup with Iran, relative to other GAE wars, is how little effort was put into persuading the public ahead of time.And how no casus belli was manufactured (yet).As if they don’t even care anymore what we think. They are just nakedly admitting that we are going to war because Israel says so, so shut up peasant.
Jack Dodson #462218 June 18, 2025 8:43 am 21
Public opinion/input never has mattered. They just don’t go through the motions now.
TempoNick #462301 June 18, 2025 10:38 am 1
Oh, it matters when it gets loud enough and our side was getting loud.
Chmi #462476 June 19, 2025 2:31 am 0
Not so simple.As late as 150 years ago, any army based on conscription instead of genuine faith and zeal would stand no chance of winning.
Mr. Invisible #462225 June 18, 2025 8:53 am 26
As Jonah Goldberg said in 2002: “Every ten years the US has to pick up some small, crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.” That is how they think. They might be running out of small, crappy countries, however.
Dutchboy #462372 June 18, 2025 1:24 pm 6
Back in my door-to-door sales days, the only dog that ever bit me was a Chihuahua. You never know.
Ostei Kozelskii #462387 June 18, 2025 1:53 pm 1
Fuller Brush man?
Dutchboy #462397 June 18, 2025 2:29 pm 3
Cable TV
rayS #462409 June 18, 2025 3:27 pm 3
You were like a deity to us in the old days. We pined until your arrival.
Ostei Kozelskii #462386 June 18, 2025 1:51 pm 9
And AINO is abig, crappy country. It’s high time somebody knocked it’s block off with a vicious, surprise uppercut to the chin or sent it writhing to the dirt with a wicked knee to thehuevos.
TempoNick #462433 June 18, 2025 7:49 pm -1
Already happened-9/11. Just made them worse.
Zorro the lesser Z man #462231 June 18, 2025 8:59 am 20
we are going to war because Israel says so, so shut up peasant. It’s shocking, really. The vast majority of Americans are vociferously against a war, and yet they are bald-faced in their indifference. I’m thinking ‘they were always this way’ except nobody was paying attention before. When you look at old news footage it’s just as transparently obvious. Maybe it’s just that too many of us have had our ‘they live’ moment for the BS to work anymore.
The Wild Geese Howard #462252 June 18, 2025 9:18 am 19
I’m thinking ‘they were always this way’ except nobody was paying attention before. The volume and intensity of noticing is really ramping up on what I would consider to be pretty normie-oriented sites and posts.
TempoNick #462303 June 18, 2025 10:41 am 11
I think it has sunken in with a lot of people that our greatest ally sicced Jeffrey Epstein on us (with our intelligence looking the other way) and was controlling our government. Most normies haven’t figured it out yet, but enough people know.
Moran ya Simba #462315 June 18, 2025 11:39 am 13
The griller learning curve is a flat line
Vizzini #462446 June 18, 2025 8:17 pm 4
Did you notice the lockstep “conservative influencer” talking points after Musk said Trump was in the Epstein files. The reality, however, is that Trump being in the Epstein files is the most plausible accusation of almost anyone on Earth short of Prince Andrew: Devon Stack goes into great detail how very close Trump and Epstein were for more than 15 years at the height of Epstein’s trafficking activities: https://odysee.com/@Blackpilled:b/magabrain:e Remember, Trump was President when Epstein “killed himself.”
The Wild Geese Howard #462248 June 18, 2025 9:17 am 17
…is how little effort was put into persuading the public ahead of time. And how no casus belli was manufactured (yet). It is bizarre, especially in contrast to all the UN theatrics we were subjected to in 2003.
iForgotmyPen #462266 June 18, 2025 9:38 am 26
I’ve been somewhat surprised, although I should not have been, at the absolutely no explanation for Israel’s attacks. The assumption is that they just get to do whatever they want. Casus belli? You’re just supposed to assume that Iran got too close to the bomb, so Israel just had to strike. It should be jaring for normie to see the lack of any explanation contrasted with years of getting lectured how Russia had absolutely NO reason to attack Ukraine. It should lay bare we are being dog-walked by these people; just a coincidence that Syria got toppled, Gaza is getting cleansed, and oh we just had to strike Iran.
Jannie #462282 June 18, 2025 10:05 am -18
You can’t defend Israel’s attack on Iran while condemning Russia’s. Both have a very similar (existential) ostensible rationale.
iForgotmyPen #462343 June 18, 2025 12:15 pm 13
Not defending Israel, asking where is its justification. Russia has outlined its issues repeatedly for the special military operation. Maybe you can enlighten us on the casus belli Israel has used to justify its actions? Make sure to cite current examples, not old declarations that Iran can never have access to nukes. Israel didn’t plan these attacks last week. So why are we not being at least told a story about how Iran was JUST ABOUT TO BREAK THROUGH? They don’t even bother to offer an excuse, which is something if you think about it.
Jannie #462470 June 19, 2025 1:32 am -1
Big Serge did a good piece about this recently – the idea of “preventative wars” to avoid fighting an enemy later in a less advantageous position. The example he used was Operation Barbarossa. How Germany believed the clock was ticking on an inevitable conflict with the USSR, and that by striking in summer 1941 they could deliver the knockout blow before the Soviets before Stalin had built up enough strength to take on the Nazis. (6) Overthrowing Fate: Barbarossa Revisted – Big Serge Thought
Chmi #462477 June 19, 2025 2:49 am 1
It wasn’t about belief, with Germany with regard to Russia.They knew and saw that Russia was on the verge of attacking them.Check out the American Pravda series on the Unz Review.
NoName #462444 June 18, 2025 8:14 pm -1
Jannie:“You can’t defend Israel’s attack on Iran while condemning Russia’s.“ It feels as though you’re missing a good half a sentence there. Something along the lines of,“You can’t defend Israel’s attack on Iran while condemning Russia’sattack on ???“ Presumably Russia’s attack on the Ukraine?
Jannie #462468 June 19, 2025 1:29 am -3
They are both “preventive wars”, trying to get in first to prevent fighting at a greater disadvantage in the future.
c matt #462489 June 19, 2025 9:04 am 1
You are confusing a tactic/strategy with a reason/cause. Yes, the tactics/strategy are similar in a way (pre-emptive strike of sorts although Uke had been attacking the Donbass repeatedly). But in Russia’s case, there was the Maidan coup, violation of prior agreements, and ongoing persecution/attacks on ethnic Russians. Israel had . . . crickets. In fact, it was Israel/US that had been conducting ongoing attacks on Iran with measured (some would say weak) responses from Iran. So, no, the situations are not the same.
Jannie #462469 June 19, 2025 1:29 am -3
You’re right, it seems like I’m implying Russia attacked Iran!
Arshad Ali #462306 June 18, 2025 11:16 am 11
WW1 was thought by all the major powers to take no more than 6-8 weeks. By 1916 the British empire was flat broke and had to go trundling to the USA for money and credit.
Evil Sandmich #462347 June 18, 2025 12:21 pm 7
The one a lot of Americans are familiar with is the Battle of Manassas/Bull Run where both sides walked into it thinking it was in the bag and that the war would be over at it’s conclusion.
Long to reign over you #462486 June 19, 2025 8:36 am -1
Not true, Mr Pakistani.
Robbo #462837 June 20, 2025 6:08 am 0
What blows my mind EVERY time is that if we schlubs down here can predict that these foreign forays are going to be disasters, why can’t they?
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #462233 June 18, 2025 9:02 am 31
I think the issue with Trump is who flatters him and talks to him last. We can only hope JD Vance or Tulsi is the last person to talk to him about Iran when the final decision is made.There are no advantages to our involvement in Iran. If we do “regime change,” Iran will degenerate into another failed state like Libya or Syria which will create a “refugee” crisis that will be flowing into Europe.We’ve been told since the 1990s that Iran was close to a bomb and it was an “existential” threat to Israel. If the mullahs were as mad as our media and their Israeli masters say they are, wouldn’t they have nuked Tel Aviv by now?We are $36 trillion in debt. We can’t afford a decades-long commitment to “nation-building” in a nation where we destroyed the government and the infrastructure in the name of regime change, democracy, gay pride parades or whatever emotive BS our rulers can imagine.
karl von hungus #462247 June 18, 2025 9:16 am 5
if vance is smart, he will wait until trump fucks over america in a really obvious way, and resign. make a big speech about how trump was flawed in mind and character. and then set about forming a new party.
Arshad Ali #462254 June 18, 2025 9:22 am 10
Not in his character. He makes a good consigliere but doesn’t have the temperament for a don, and perhaps not even the ambition to be one.
Dutchboy #462375 June 18, 2025 1:28 pm 2
That would deep six any presidential chances. Trump is still a demigod to large numbers of Republicans.
karl von hungus #462415 June 18, 2025 4:28 pm 1
now.
Mycale #462259 June 18, 2025 9:25 am 35
The difference now is that Trump really seems to be war-drunk. His comments the past 24-48 hours are genuinely disturbing. He’s getting support from everyone who has hated him the past six months, all telling him how brave and courageous he is to take part in this. He’s obviously loving it. It’s like all the worst instincts of this guy are being leaned on simultaneously by the worst people to follow the worst course of action. Guys like Tucker tried to reach out and he called him a kook, and Tucker has talked him down from this lunatic neocon ledge in the past.
Andy Texan #462453 June 18, 2025 8:49 pm 0
Let’s hope it’s kayfabe negotiating tactic. Scary true but we must wait and see. Only a lunatic would actually do what is being threatened.
Dutchboy #462374 June 18, 2025 1:26 pm 1
You can wave TG goodbye if we attack Iran directly, Trump seems to be taking advice from Gen. Flynn now and he’s a raving Neocon.
ray #462230 June 18, 2025 8:59 am 25
Geo-militarism and raw materials issues aside, what does The Regime want in Iran? Socially, culturally? Well, the same as for Iraq and Afghanistan: demand globalism and egalitarianism, install feminism and female supremacy, celebrate homosexuality and LGBTQ on a mass level, and turn Iran into the County Mall . . . though the County Mall closed down twenty years ago and is now a vacant eyesore on the land. Do I want Nancy Pelosi, Kathy Hochul and the Ghermezian brothers running Iran, or the Ayatollah? Give me the Big Bearded Dood for $100, Alex! Mullah mullah!
Zorro the lesser Z man #462367 June 18, 2025 1:13 pm 12
what does The Regime want in Iran? Don’t forget the Crown Jewel of Globohomo: A Rofschild controlled Central Bank to bring Iran ‘into the fold’.
rayS #462411 June 18, 2025 3:35 pm 2
It’s true and I should have included it. Soon after, stringer offices of Blackrock and Vanguard in Teheran. It’s almost enuf to inspire sympathy in me for the spirit over Iran. Almost.
Rudolph Muggle #462268 June 18, 2025 9:41 am 24
Trump apparently doesn’t care what Tulsi Gabbard thinks. OK, then. What was the point of employing her for intelligence? If I was her, I’d resign immediately.
Arshad Ali #462385 June 18, 2025 1:50 pm 6
She’s there as window dressing. Yes, she should resign and call Trump a bunch of derogatory names as she does so.
Tars Tarkas #462286 June 18, 2025 10:11 am 22
The comparisons to Pearl Harbor by the blob is disingenuous, at least the way they mean it. Pearl Harbor was not a surprise sneak attack. They knew it was coming because they are the ones who provoked it. The public was pretty unified against joining the war. FDR did everything he could to provoke a declaration of war from Germany by illegally arming and feeding Germany’s enemies. They wanted to provoke Hitler into using U-boats to sink these illegal shipments. But Hitler wouldn’t fall for it. We’re playing the same stupid word games today with Russia and Ukraine. “We’re not a belligerent” while arming the Ukrainians and assisting them with technology and logistics on a day to day basis.They did the same thing with Japan. At first they didn’t respond, but then America just kept upping the ante until she finally responded.
Horace #462339 June 18, 2025 12:10 pm 19
Yes x10,000. It’s Roosevelt’s baiting of Japan that finally convinced me that progressivism is just evil. Everything that was done to Nazi’s to anathematize and demonize and eradicate their ideology must be done to progressivism. It is fundamentally anti-human.
iForgotmyPen #462351 June 18, 2025 12:27 pm 6
I don’t know, “say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism- at least it’s an ethos.” – Walter Sobchak
rayS #462368 June 18, 2025 1:13 pm 2
Seconded.
Evil Sandmich #462352 June 18, 2025 12:30 pm -14
I hate posts like this and always get downvoted for criticizing them but so what:-It’ not FDR’s fault Hitler couldn’t keep it zipped up, like the U.S. was going to let the U.K. fall to Germany. Look to Putin today on how to handle such shenanigans correctly.-Pro-White people who simp for Imperial Japan have seen too many Miyazaki movies. FDR moves to make sure the White nations in the Pacific aren’t turned into Japanese rape colonies and that’s the thanks he gets.
Tars Tarkas #462369 June 18, 2025 1:15 pm 10
Yeah, because saving the Brits and Soviets worked out so well. You are insane if you think the war in the pacific couldn’t be avoided. We could have easily prevented Japan from attacking American interests in the region.
Evil Sandmich #462404 June 18, 2025 3:20 pm -3
Yeah, because saving the Brits and Soviets worked out so well. Long term yeah it sucks because victory was pissed away, many such cases (peace has made you soft, victory has defeated you) We could have easily prevented Japan from attacking American interests in the region. Well obviouslyyoucan because you have 80+ years of hindsight working in your favor.
Zulu Juliet #462277 June 18, 2025 9:53 am 22
Some people never learn. The only way to impose one’s will on an enemy is to crush them and take over their land. Germany only submitted after the Soviets, British and American occupied every square inch of their territory. Turning all their cities to rubble made no difference at all.The Japanese submitted only after nuclear weapons were used on them, as well as the entire might of the allies heading towards their islands.It doesn’t matter how many bombs, missiles and drones are dropped on Iran, or how many mullahs and generals are killed. They will not submit to force, unless it is on the scale of invasion and full occupation. I doubt even dropping a couple nukes on them would do the job, unless a full invasion force was ready to follow it.N-E-G-O-T-I-A-T-I-O-N. It seems the U.S. forgot that word after the Cold War, except as a dishonest ruse.
Grant #462325 June 18, 2025 11:53 am 10
Occupying a nation of 90+ million is no easy feat, especially when they’re all politically unified…againstthe occupiers. Iraq devolved into a civil war between Shia and Sunni that the US was essentially playing referee for. That’s not going to happen in Iran. They have the population size of all of Western Europe and, unlike Germany after WWII, they are not above complex insurgency actions. The kind that wear down and attrit an occupying force with surprising rapidity. This is the kind of hybrid warfare that the US dealt with in Korea and Vietnam to a certain extent. In Korea we settled for a stalemate, and that was when we were arguably at our apex (compared to the rest of the world) in terms of quality of troops and technological advantage. We also had the full cooperation and support of the area we were occupying and operating out of. Iran would be a combination of all of the worst aspects of every war the US has been in for the past 75 years.
iForgotmyPen #462354 June 18, 2025 12:33 pm 4
It would be an abject disaster that would make the Iraq debacle look like a brilliant move. And anything short of an existential threat to our homeland would not justify its undertaking. But that’s what’s worrisome, I wouldn’t put it past our parasitic leadership class to actually do it.
george 1 #462423 June 18, 2025 5:30 pm 2
IMHO they are likely to employ their Syria Strategy. That is use influence to attract Sunnis from around the world to go to Iran and make war like they did with their ISIS brigades. However Iran also has a lot of militia groups so it may not be so easy.
Vizzini #462442 June 18, 2025 8:10 pm 3
The US can’t even subdue a population of illiterate goat herders and opium growers.
Dutchboy #462379 June 18, 2025 1:35 pm 3
Apparently, the last straw for Japan was not the bombs but the Soviet attack. That meant their attempt to get the Soviets to mediate a conditional surrender with the allies was not going to happen.
george 1 #462422 June 18, 2025 5:14 pm 2
All true. The theory that many Iranians will be happy that that U.S./Israel are helping them throw off their despised leaders is going to be put to the test. Just as likely we have made all of them bitter enemies who will now support the Regime when they normally might not have.
karl von hungus #462210 June 18, 2025 8:30 am 22
it’s pointless to talk about trump’s thinking, almost to the point of being a category error. think of trump as the noise, not the signal, and filter him out. same with all the others in his administration. the neocons are constants and can likewise be ignored in terms of their involvement in the myriad wars going on. what’s left is akin to random behavior, chaos theory reified. there is plenty of objective data to work with; armaments expended, transportation routes interdicted, activity on the front lines of a conflict, missile barrages in a region.
Jack Dodson #462237 June 18, 2025 9:07 am 7
chaos theory reified Keeper.
TomA #462226 June 18, 2025 8:56 am 21
If you haven’t seen this video, it’s worth a look. It reveals the missile resources that Iran has stockpiled in subterranean tunnels, and most of these missile complexes include a mobile launcher. This means they can be dispersed widely and will be almost impossible to find and interdict in mountainous areas; just like as was the case in Afghanistan. Bet on Iran to outlast the US and Israel. How stupid we have become. This insanity will not end until we have financial collapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRA2oQnXsSQ
Mycale #462244 June 18, 2025 9:14 am 25
You can’t win a war from the air. That’s been proven time and time again. At some point you need to bring in infantry to fight the enemy and beat them. Even though the IDF has been very good at blowing up women and babies, the diaper brigades have not performed well against Hamas. This is why Hamas is around and nobody, not even Netanyahu, pretend like they defeated Hamas. It is how a bunch of guys in tents were able to beat the mighty US Navy that spent billions of dollars to shoot at them.So, this idea that we will beat Iran by dropping bombs is just as stupid as the idea that the IDF will beat Hamas by dropping bombs. Actually it’s much more stupid because Iran is huge, rugged, mountainous, and in charge of its own country and resources.
iForgotmyPen #462272 June 18, 2025 9:45 am 25
They think if they just narrative hard enough they can will victory into existence. Boys can be girls, girls can be boys, and we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.
Horace #462334 June 18, 2025 12:06 pm 13
“You can’t win a war from the air.” It was ~2-3? months ago a joint Israeli-American (sponsored? how many mercs? how many state contracted?) commando group went into Yemen presumably on a missile launcher hunt, and were killed to the last man. The pool of men capable of being trained to that level is not large, and it takes years to develop skills, so this was not a small loss.
iForgotmyPen #462349 June 18, 2025 12:24 pm 8
Never heard about that- but would explain why the Houthis just kind of disappeared from the news and we dropped the whole thing. If you can’t beat ’em, just take your ball go home. you got any links to the launcher hunt?
Mikew #462391 June 18, 2025 2:10 pm 2
The Houthis launched attacks last week. This secret squirrel commando team must not have been 100% effective. Or more likely zioganda
Horace #462405 June 18, 2025 3:21 pm 10
I think they were 0% effective. They were slaughtered immediately. The story I read included conjecture (almost certainly correct) that Russian Federation satellites tracked their insertion plane before it entered Yemeni airspace and allowed Yemenis to efficiently vector in on them.It’s entirely plausible in that our DC apparatchiks have grown stupid and arrogant fighting subpeer enemies. Why would the Russians NOT help Yemen give globohomo a black eye? We are not only not their technological superior anymore, I don’t even think we can claim to be a peer, in military technology at least, but these morons still think it’s 1991.
Ketchup-stained Griller #462487 June 19, 2025 8:37 am 0
Link?
pyrrhus #462323 June 18, 2025 11:52 am 19
The Pentagon has wargamed a war with Iran a couple of times, and the results have been uniformly bad for the US military…Any carriers in the vicinity get sunk, and there’s no way the Army can get traction without huge casualties…Now Iran has powerful allies in Russia, China and the Norks, and is already getting supplies and armament from them…China is highly dependent on Iranian oil and won’t quit…Economically, Iran closing the Strait and probably the Houthi closing the Red Sea will result in a total disaster for the West, with $200/bl oil, maybe higher…I just can’t see any way that such a war won’t be a disaster for Trump, and his base is strongly opposed to it…
Jannie #462389 June 18, 2025 2:02 pm -8
Where are Iran’s “powerful allies” currently? Barely hearing a peep from Russia, China, NK.
george 1 #462427 June 18, 2025 7:25 pm 4
I am no expert but if I were Xi or Putin: I would get a bag of popcorn and a beverage of choice. Then I would call Trump and basically say, Oh please Mr. Trump! Don’t throw us into the briar patch with you committing to regime change in Iran.Then quietly and covertly supply Iran with material and support that is just enough to keep them going. Then proceed to bleed the U.S. dry. In a few years when the U.S. is forced to conduct a horrible withdrawal like Afghanistan, you send in your ready made regime to take over.
Jannie #462462 June 19, 2025 1:13 am -3
Russia seems to be stretched to the limit in Ukraine. They didn’t help clients in Syria and Armenia recently: can they really help Iran? China can just wait on the sidelines, supply the belligerents and get rich. Can they project force? Can they risk being cut off from American and European markets, not to mention the rest of Asia? They haven’t committed a single soldier to help Russia in the Ukraine – unlike US/EU with all our “advisors”.
c matt #462495 June 19, 2025 9:22 am 2
Why do they need to project force?. The Uke war was supposed to “bleed” Russia, and it has a little bit. But it has bled the US/EU a lot – mostly in money/supplies, a little in personnel sent over on the down low. So who is bleeding whom? Why would China stop the self-destruction of the US when the US is doing a damn good job of it on its own? Look what “projecting force” has gotten the US – bankruptcy. And each day, it is more projecting farce than force.
Robbo #462841 June 20, 2025 6:36 am 2
Stretched to the limit? They’re taking on 30k more recruits each month. That’s the US army’s target for a whole year. Jeez, you people.
Horace #462318 June 18, 2025 11:45 am 17
Part of the problem is the complete collapse in competence of our senior defense personnel, uniformed and civilian. The US military used to be a bastion of defense against the International Jew, as catalogued by Joseph Bendersky in his 2000 “The Jewish Threat.” He wrote from the point of view that they were all racists and that there was no IJ problem. Here we are a quarter century later and his premise, his prerequisite notion that WASP resistance to the IJ was racist and illegitimate, is transparently ridiculous.Bendersky writing this book was a staggering own goal. It is a beautiful recitation of our ancestors’ righteous resistance to genocidal evil. It’s unfortunate that what passed for a ‘right’ in last century’s American political sphere was merely corporatist and hence not genuinely ethnonationalist, and thus did not have the support of the American working class, because there should have been a military coup against the traitor Roosevelt and his communist cadres. This is yet another datum in the large record against the desirability of having a merchant ruling class. If one’s only value is money, then one will always be a whore to whoever controls instantiation of currency.Resistance among people they could not simply buy motivated the Jews to make capture of Congress a high priority. We can see now how successful they have been, with 95% of Senators and Representatives willingly if not enthusiastically accepting of AIPAC operatives on their staffs. Jewish control of the House committee controlling promotion of colonels to generals ensured that, over time, the senior ranks were denuded of both people with propensity to defend America and of people with significant talent. (1) It’s dangerous to have capable slaves if you fear that they might figure out the state of play and decide to do something about it. Obedient and corrupt clown trash are safer but less capable servants.Progress on the civilian side I think was much quicker, because senior civilians can be simply appointed, but most Jewish operatives were not willing to serve in someone else’s military for 20 years simply on the chance that they might get power, and with the surety that the chance mandated 20 years of lost earnings in the private sector. So they had to modulate our promotion system to ensure that our most odious clown trash rose to the top, instead of being weeded out as occurred in previous times.(1) I remember seeing a study on IQ’s of officer candidates by year cohort. We used to recruit smart officers, and there used to be ~4% really high flyers, genuine genius level men. Now, junior officer IQ is only marginally higher than the enlisted (2 points iirc?), and the high flyers are COMPLETELY gone. The kind of young men who can grow into exceptionally capable warfighters or military industrial planners are simply not in the pipeline.
iForgotmyPen #462361 June 18, 2025 12:46 pm 8
Based comment Friendo. I have a feeling we might have similar backgrounds. About the officer IQs- a large part of that is the DEI cancer. Kind of hard to get geniuses when you have Shaniquoas and Tonquarious watering down your pool.
Robbo #462842 June 20, 2025 6:37 am 0
Officer IQ: Exhibit A – Hesgeth.
rayS #462399 June 18, 2025 2:37 pm 10
‘The kind of young men who can grow into exceptionally capable warfighters or military industrial planners are simply not in the pipeline’Young white men, raised by dads who were THE HEADS OF THEIR HOUSEHOLDS, standing in defense of a supportive culture is Old America.New Amerika has made war on precisely those men since the Seventies, and seen to it they don’t have dads, and if they do those dads are subjugated by law to their wives, and their wives well know it. Those young men existed when I was enlisted. They don’t exist now because New Amerika excised them.
george 1 #462428 June 18, 2025 7:33 pm 5
Which, IMHO, is why Trump was allowed to take office this time. No one was going to fight for Kamala. The IJs thought that the white boys might fight for Trump. The IJs realize that the U.S. war machine is just not very good without the white boys.
Vizzini #462441 June 18, 2025 8:05 pm 9
A real genius would never join the US military in this environment.
TempoNick #462295 June 18, 2025 10:27 am 15
“The lesson of Iraq should have been that there are no short-term solutions to long-term problems and long-term problems come with long-term costs. People forget that the war with Iraq was touted as the solution to the Middle East problem.” There should also have been a second lesson that neocon expeditions create new long-term problems. These people have been running amok destroying lives for I don’t know how long. When is somebody going to be tried for “Crimes Against Humanity?”
Moran ya Simba #462263 June 18, 2025 9:32 am 14
Just started watching the interview in the link. Two sane guys trying to figure out what the heck is going on inside the spinning fruit salad bowl of weirdness that is the minds of the people making decisions these days. Valiant though you may try you are never going to understand what drives these people including Trump. You simply do not have the necessary prerequisites; you’re not effing nuts. Sane people will never “get” what it’s like inside a narcissist psychosis.That said, I hope America dodges a war with Iran. When you have cancer, you don’t need a heart attack on top
Arshad Ali #462249 June 18, 2025 9:17 am 11
“Which one does he choose?”A rhetorical question surely. Which one does a rash and impulsive man surrounded by shameless sycophants, and not given to strategic thought, self-doubt and introspection choose? My money is that Trump will rush in where angels fear to tread.I agree with the rest of your essay and for what it’s worth my sympathies are with the Iranians. At the same time I can’t help thinking they have been guilty of missteps. They should never have trusted the USA, they should probably not have allowed in the inspectors, and most importantly they should have had a more paranoid and belligerent stance, as I said a couple of days back. I think Hua Bin was arguing (on Unz) that you can’t prevail just by defending, even if you’re stronger compared to your opponent. It has to be a mix of attack and defence. The Iranians have just been reacting. Too many Tom Hagens there. With Trump on the other hand, we possibly have another Santino Corleone as someone was writing a few days back:https://morgoth.substack.com/p/america-and-the-sonny-corleone-trap
Jeffrey Zoar #462265 June 18, 2025 9:37 am 17
There isn’t going to be a ground invasion of Iran. Nobody has the troops (never mind the logistical train). Looks to me like the same clever guys who convinced themselves that sanctions would topple Putler have now convinced themselves that some mix of sanctions and bombing will topple the mullahs. The next big question to be answered is how much more directly and openly involved the GAE is going to get.
Arshad Ali #462278 June 18, 2025 9:55 am 6
Ground invasion is probably out. Even Trump will flinch from that.
Mr. Invisible #462284 June 18, 2025 10:07 am 6
It’s not now that he’ll make that decision. It’ll be after a US asset is hit hard, and the generals will give him no choice.
Jeffrey Zoar #462289 June 18, 2025 10:11 am 4
I should have said no US/Israeli ground invasion (even after a US asset is hit). But there could be a proxy army lined up that we don’t know about. Azerbaijan?
Steve W #462407 June 18, 2025 3:25 pm 10
In the old days, when a President decided on war, he would address the nation and explain the reasons. Both the Bushes did that. It was still understood that war is not undertaken lightly, and that the general public deserved to hear an argument, some rationale, that bore a relationship to the national interest. And let’s admit it, a lot of us here fell for it in those halcyon days when we thought we were the good guys…They don’t even bother nowadays. All the proxy warfare with Russia through Ukraine – despite its terrifying ramifications – never explained, never defended, never justified. Nuclear war just became one of those “shit happens” conversations, like it has no connection to the national interest, or the interest of everyday people, or humanity in general.So now our man Trump seems to have joined the queue. It’s all so tiresome – and disappointing. A mantra among “us” has been:I won’t give up on BOM yet!For nine stinking years.Yeah, this Iran thing has me black-pilled as regards “Donaldus Magnus”. The main challenge internationally to the survival (and possible revival) of this thing we call AINO comes from Mexico. Why not commit “regime change” efforts there, plus 250,000 troops?We all know why. Because AINO, too, is a failed state. Trump can no more save this nation than Majorian – my favorite late Roman emperor – could save the western Empire.
Whiskey #462307 June 18, 2025 11:17 am 9
Yesterday I was in the office. I work with a LOT of Iranian exiles. FWIW, this is what I was told.My co-workers had called their family in Iran. Their families are scared, but hopeful the Regime will collapse. The Regime is hated because it was both corrupt and repressive. I was reminded of the several overthrow attempts during the Obama years of large crowds of young people tired of the twin corruption and repression. They could stomach the one but not the other. [Note, this is a sample sized selected out of exiles, so make of this what you will].I was reminded, and had been told this several years ago by other Iranian exiles I know outside the company I work for; that Khamenei’s grand daughter lives in Orange County not too far from me. Drives a Lamborghini, has body guards. Khamenei himself is worth at least $200 billion, owns hotels in Moscow, also meat packing plants in Russia, various importers, etc. And has stashed cash not just with his grand daughter but other relatives in the UK, Monaco, Brazil, and Singapore.The Regime is probably a lot weaker than many here think, and stronger than Israel and neo-cons think. However, Assad just suddenly collapsed. Fled to Moscow. I would not rule that out with Iran’s regime. Serbia just collapsed under the bombing campaign.I think cynically that both the US and Russia/China want the air war to go on as long as possible. The US is testing via Israel the concept of lots and lots of JDAMS and similar bombs doing stand-off bombing the way Russia has but not this scale in Ukraine. To see if that brings the cost down and tempo up to meet missile offense. The Russians want to see how large scale missile attacks fare against anti-missile attacks by air; if it is possible AT SCALE to shoot and scoot or not. This has implications for not just Ukraine, but also Taiwan, and other areas.Neither Iran nor Israel can invade each other; too much distance and other nations makes that impossible. They can each pound each other’s cities into rubble, but Iran has a disadvantage that Israel does not. Israel can jettison Bibi and fight on without any fuss; Iran cannot jettison Khamenei who is 86 years old; without Regime collapse. And the Regime requires enforcers who must be paid and live well enough to remain enforcers instead of immavasion refugees. Assad collapsed reportedly because his soldiers had not been paid for nearly a year; saw no reason to fight for a doomed regime, and fled.[Note, I would be personally shocked if Iran did not already have at least 10-20 nuke warheads, integration with missiles that work is another thing. The UK and France have not nuked Russia because they have about 75, 400 respectively, while Russia has 6,000. So even though “save Zelensky” neither the Islamic Republic of Britain nor the one in France will nuke Russia. Same thing with Iran.]Lastly, the WSJ is now pulling back on their Trump hate, remarkably. Its still there for “there shall be open borders” but far less. Trump is getting some Judges to rule his way for a change on deportations and other things. His approval ratings are up substantially (so was George W. Bush’s at the start of the Iraq War though).Question for everyone here: would you trade an Air War against Iran that lasts years for mass deportations? That seems to be the “deal” Trump has made. I honestly don’t know my answer. I would have given a YES about ten years ago. Now I am not so sure anymore.
Jeffrey Zoar #462311 June 18, 2025 11:35 am 4
My second job at age 15 was bussing tables at a mexican restaurant. There were a couple of Iranian waiters who the customers mistook for Mexicans. There’s really not much difference is there. And yes I would take that deal. But I’d be astonished if it’s on offer.
Evil Sandmich #462357 June 18, 2025 12:38 pm 4
The rumor always was that Team B would do what they could to save Classical America, but in return Classical America had to save Israel (thus the additional thought that Bibi jumped the gun way, way before Trump had sufficient cache to pull it off).
rayS #462380 June 18, 2025 1:39 pm 7
In the early Eighties I was finishing up my B.A. at a cheap state uni. Vets were given an option of working in the little V.A. Affairs Office on campus, for a small salary additional to their equally small V.A. educational benefit (upon which I lived).One day I enter the office and there are two ME-looking doods staffing my desk. Uh, what unit are you boys from say I. ‘Persia’ was their answer. Unediicated me, I didn’t know ‘Persia’ was a country, much less an asset of the U.S. armed forces.Couple months later the women careerists that ran the Admin. Office decided — unilaterally — to close our little vet office due to the piddling monies paid to vets. They did it to show us who’s boss.A bunch of fat, resentment-soaked hags living well off guaranteed state gigs, NONE of whom had put their asses on the firing line or spent one day in uniform.I should have fled that evil bitch of a nation right then, and asked God to burn it down. Took me a few more decades of being likewise kicked around to figure the place out.
Zfan #462400 June 18, 2025 2:41 pm 2
It really was a pittance- about $450/ month iirc. The benefits now are full tuition + books + living expenses of several thousand a month.
ray #462418 June 18, 2025 4:59 pm 2
That sounds about right, four hundred a month mebbe. It stretched pretty far in 1981. I rode my motorcycle all over the bay area and that kept expenses low. I think the vet office paid us another 80 or 100 a month for mebbe 15 hrs, which was a big deal to those of us staffing the place.
Captain Willard #462316 June 18, 2025 11:39 am 8
Everyone hates the Iran Regime, but I’m hard pressed to identify an “upgrade” regime change in the Middle East in my lifetime and I’m a little older than Zman.
TempoNick #462355 June 18, 2025 12:34 pm 4
You’re forgetting one thing. The Shah was OUR stooge. What was that we were talking about, about second order consequences?
Dutchboy #462382 June 18, 2025 1:41 pm 4
So was Saddam.
Vizzini #462439 June 18, 2025 8:02 pm 4
As was Qaddafi. And Mubarak.
Jeffrey Zoar #462452 June 18, 2025 8:32 pm 2
insert Kissinger quote
Vizzini #462457 June 18, 2025 10:48 pm 2
Oh, yeah, and the Taliban. We funded the hell out of them when they were at war with the USSR.
Jannie #462464 June 19, 2025 1:15 am 1
We generously gave them $40 billion in military supplies in 2021 as well, let’s not forget.
Evil Sandmich #462358 June 18, 2025 12:40 pm 7
If true the regime is far more likely to collapse when it’s not being attacked by governments that would like to see all the Persians killed.
Dutchboy #462381 June 18, 2025 1:40 pm 4
The shah once admitted that one of his critical mistakes was stopping the bribes paid to the mullahs for support.
Mikew #462388 June 18, 2025 2:00 pm 8
The air war in Iran, while disturbing , is of much less importance than the demographic replacement in the USA. I would take that theoretical trade.
Gunners #462401 June 18, 2025 2:48 pm 9
Except we’re not getting mass deportations. 2000 arrests a day is 700k a year. That leaves 59,300,000 after year one.
george 1 #462432 June 18, 2025 7:48 pm 5
Yes. We will never get mass deportations with the current system. If mass deportations ever come it will be after the entire system collapses and most of those “deportations” will be into the ground.
GunnerQ #462293 June 18, 2025 10:19 am 9
Netanyahu launched the attack the day after he survived a parliamentary-collapse vote in the Knesset. It seems the purpose of the current conflict is justifying a continued state of emergency. Why would Netanyahu even want an exit strategy in that context? All politics is local.
Captain Willard #462309 June 18, 2025 11:33 am 9
This is a very important point. People overlook the necessity of the “long emergency” for Bibi’s political survival.
Robbo #462844 June 20, 2025 6:41 am 0
As with Zelensky. These monsters only survive through continued war. And the bigger and bloodier the better. All because they want a few more months of power.
GrammaNazi #462209 June 18, 2025 8:28 am 9
They have more missiles and drones thanIran^Israel^ has attack missiles and air defense. Wups.
Scipio #462402 June 18, 2025 2:52 pm 8
Short-termism is a hard-wired feature of American culture – and has been for decades. Having worked with expat American corporate managers, one of the things that lands on Day One is a high-speed, low-drag dynamism that is considered a prized feature, not a bug. “Get ‘er done by close of business!” is their mantra.Reflective thinking, deep strategy and cultivating the Art of the Long View is not their forte – hell, these practices are considered incapacities, symptoms of indecisiveness.Once you understand this endearing quality, it’s possible to run rings around Billy-Bob Hardass-Tablethumper. Just string things along, let the dude get tangled up in a plethora of unimportant but urgent issues. Glug, glug. Choke, choke.
Vizzini #462434 June 18, 2025 7:52 pm 7
There is no talk of what comes next, because like Ted Cruz, they are incapable of such thinking. Wow. I started to watch that interview, but I couldn’t stand listening to Cruz, so I never got to that part. Too bad Tucker didn’t ask him something he knows, like what Netanyahu’s ass tastes like.
Filthie #462287 June 18, 2025 10:11 am 6
Well all too true, Z. As an established pattern I’d say you’re spot on as usual. What is it now? 10 years of dissidence and rabble rousing for you now? It’s had its affect: I am hearing old geriatrics and clueless grillers that now sound more like you – than you do!!! The word is getting out, everyone is noticing the patterns except the lunatics and retards, and the jews know it and are shitting bricks. Patterns hold until they break.We can’t keep doing this.I am not ready to commit to an opinion on the future yet. Trump loves surprises… and he may well surprise us yet. He probably isn’t going to save America but he is a promising step in the right direction.
tashtego #462396 June 18, 2025 2:27 pm 4
I guess we have our answer about how Trump was allowed to “win” the presidency. Block all domestic reforms with the kritarch layer, have congressional Israeli puppets sit on their hands, and get him to shovel our children and future into the insatiable Israeli furnace. There is no America to save. At least 90% of the population opposes being Israel’s murder machine yet again, probably 50% are ready to do so using whatever means they have to. I think we are about to see what happens in a country with something like 400 million rifles in private hands and the enforcers living and raising families among the people they will be ordered to murder, enslave or oppress as pressure and resistance escalates.
Ostei Kozelskii #462297 June 18, 2025 10:30 am 4
Frankly, all of these dam’ wars bore the hell outta me.
Hemid #462356 June 18, 2025 12:35 pm 2
People pontificating about war is as boring as them telling you about their dreams—because that’s what they’re doing.
Ketchup-stained Griller #462483 June 19, 2025 7:35 am 1
Problem with history is it’s just one damn thing after another.
Robbo #462845 June 20, 2025 6:42 am 0
Don’t worry! They’ll be adding a lot of excitement to your life real soon, my friend!
Abelard Lindsey #462220 June 18, 2025 8:45 am 3
Well this is positive in it’s own right.
Celticbiker #462984 June 20, 2025 7:35 pm 0
He’ll choose the path his jew masters have decreed for him. Just like the guy before him and the guy before him…back to when the jews shot Kennedy. It’s so painfully obvious now, even the dumbfucks are starting to get it, as the clotshots eat their insides.
Ursel Doran #462494 June 19, 2025 9:22 am 0
USA is run by the Neocon Warmongers, perpetual Wars for perpetual profits.https://scheerpost.com/2025/06/19/the-american-game-playing-and-being-played-on-the-road-to-nuclear-war/
Onassis #462482 June 19, 2025 7:33 am -1
MY scenario IS1) trump ordered an air strike on Iran2) Iran ranched missiles on Saudi Arabia’s oil fields3) Price of oil has gone up by 400 dollars.4) Oil crisis of 1973 again, and this time dollar/Euro became shit
Whiskey #462310 June 18, 2025 11:33 am -3
Hmmm …. Ayatollah of both Rock and Rollah, Khamenei, gave a speech warning the US that it will never surrender, and that the US faces total destruction if it helps Israel. I am getting weird Khadaffi “Line of Death” vibes, or Baghdad Bob. Khamenei admitted Iran was caught off guard. There have been repeated massive security breaches for years by the Israelis, to the point where the Security Forces seem to be very compromised in some way. Senior Leadership (what remains) must be concerned that lower ranks might be so frustrated that they make a deal with Israelis to become top dogs. Since no one is infused with Islamic Revolutionary Fervor when the Senior guys all own distilleries in Russia.Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz, but they did that in 1988 in retaliation for the US supporting Saddam. Reagan sank the Iranian Navy and blew apart some oil rigs used as missile bases and that was that. It would probably be significantly harder now but even our debased military is probably better than Iran’s as the landscape is far more flat than Yemen is my understanding.
karl von hungus #462403 June 18, 2025 3:11 pm 3
sink a few tankers in the straits will clog it up. but it’s shore-to-ship missiles that will really inhibit traffic.
Nikolai Vladivostok #462212 June 18, 2025 8:35 am -5
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Anna #462420 June 18, 2025 5:00 pm -18
“Imagine hating Jews so much that you are defending a terrorist regime that literally kills women for showing their hair”.
Salmon #462425 June 18, 2025 6:21 pm 6
Not hard to imagine tbh. What Iran does with their women is Iran’s business, not mine.
A Bad Man #462458 June 18, 2025 10:54 pm 6
So sad. They don’t get to make a million dollars a month on Onlyfans.
tashtego #462426 June 18, 2025 7:18 pm 11
Imagine trying to defend a genocidal regime run by pedophile monsters (https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/04/23/bottom-of-darkness-children-raped-in-ritual-ceremonies-expose-the-horrors/) that demands the blood of your remaining children after it’s citizens deliberately and systematically poisoned as many as it could with synthetic opiates and were still allowed to live. Imagine trusting a single word of anything you read from the state propaganda organsabout supposed “enemy” countries. A government and it’s tightly controlled lie machines that you know for a first person fact from your own eyes that fabricated a plague crisis and used every tool of coercion it dared upon an armed population to force them to subject themselves to a gigantic genetic therapy medical experiment exempting not babies, toddlers, children , teens or adults but exempting themselves in the most outrageously blunt demonstration of their contempt and hatred for their own people.
Anna #462429 June 18, 2025 7:43 pm -9
Hello 15th century blood libels!
tashtego #462430 June 18, 2025 7:44 pm 6
haha, from their own news orgs no less.
c matt #462496 June 19, 2025 9:24 am 0
Are we sure those were libels?
Vizzini #462438 June 18, 2025 7:59 pm 5
Invest in hair coverings.
karl von hungus #462481 June 19, 2025 7:01 am 0
Orthodox (jewish) women do not show their hair in public after their wedding
Anna #462542 June 19, 2025 10:22 am -3
but they are not murdered and their one eye isn’t taken out if they do show their own hair. They even can stop being orthodox without fear of their lives.
Dale Davis #462257 June 18, 2025 9:25 am -22
Trump has to be careful to avoid spreading our resources too thinly. We can’t be involved in every war. Right now, Iran is the bigger problem. Taking out Khomeini could lead to bigger problems, like who or what will replace his regime? It seems bunker busters are the best way, and it needs to be done ASAP.
Jannie #462288 June 18, 2025 10:11 am -12
Best-case scenario all round is probably a military strongman like Sisi in Egypt. Remember how Obama/Kerry sorted that one out after the Durka-Durka Spring got out of hand?


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