The American Alcibiades

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One of the features of the Trump era has been the sense of chaos that seems to surround everything about the man. Whether as a candidate, as president or as the hero in the fight against the villains of Washington, there is always a whirlwind of action around him that makes understanding it difficult. We now see this in his foreign policy which looks more like a game of flipping over tables and smashing things than a coherent strategy to advance national interests.

The most recent example is the caper to regime change Iran in the middle of negotiations to end the half century cold war with them. Despite the mountain of lies, it is clear that the plan was to decapitate the Iranian government, attack the nuclear facilities and then usher in a regime change. Israel went after military leaders, political leaders, and the top nuclear scientists. They also attacked what they thought were their key nodes in their air defense system.

Despite Trump’s denials, it is clear that the Trump admin knew about this scheme from the start and helped make it possible. When it looked like it was successful, Trump posted about how negotiations were just a ruse to get the Iranians into a false sense of security, but he changed gears once it was clear the scheme failed. He also claimed to have vetoed the killing of Ali Khamenei, the current Supreme Leader of Iran, but that is just damage control after the fact.

As an aside, if you want to get a sense of who really runs American foreign policy, look at the parallels between this sneak attack on Iran and the sneak attack on the Russian strategic bombers. Both used pre-programmed drones launched from trucks. Both used negotiations as a ruse. Both served the interests of those who wanted to halt negotiations with the targeted party. In both of these cases, we see the same fingerprints, but who belongs to those fingerprints is not clear.

That aside, the plan failed. After the initial shock, Iran was able to quickly respond to the attacks with what has been a very effective missile campaign. They also got their air defense system back online and now Israel jets have to operate well outside of their range, which limits what Israel can attack inside Iran. Israel, of course, is lobbying Trump to attack Iran, but so far, he has resisted. The rumor at the moment is that Israel is quietly asking for a truce.

To make things more complicated, Chinese aircraft are landing in Iran, presumably with missiles for Iran. These could also be North Korean missiles. China is Iran’s biggest customer for energy products. China is an 80% owner in the South Pars gas field, which is part of the North Dome field, the biggest on earth. Of course, Russia has a security agreement with Iran and is no doubt providing intelligence for Iranian missile strikes on key targets inside Israel.

On the surface, this looks like a disaster. There is no reason for Iran to do a deal with Washington after this betrayal of basic diplomatic norms. There is no reason for Iran to take the deal on officer, if they decided to come back to the table. They have leverage now, so they will demand much more from Trump. The Israel lobby is now in crisis as the options here are terrible. If Trump green lights an attack on Iran’s nuclear bunkers, we probably get a regional war that America cannot afford.

The Israel lobby does not care about the damage done to America or the American people, but they do care about Israel. What the weekend revealed is that the vaunted Israel air defense system is a paper tiger. Iran was able to overload it and is now hitting targets inside Israel at will. A regional war could very well mean the end of Israel or at least turning Tel Aviv into Gaza. Expect to hear the usual big mouths like Lindsay Graham demanding a truce in the air war this week.

Attacking Iran brings other risks. It is clear that Iran can reach out and touch American assets in the region. That includes naval assets. Trump called off the operation against the Houthis due to both the cost and the risk to American assets. Iran is orders of magnitude more powerful than Yemen. Then you have the American bases in Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. There are secret bases that do not appear on any map in Saudi Arabia where the U.S. military operates.

Then there is the elephant in the room. If Trump escalates, the Iranians will probably close the Strait of Hormuz. The Houthis will shut off access to the Red Sea. That means a third of the world’s oil supply stops flowing. What Trump has to ponder, therefore, is whether this is worth gas lines and perhaps rationing. Disrupt the flow of energy and the rest of the world gets involved in this war. The rest of the word does not care about the psychological wellbeing of the Israelis.

Rational people look at this and conclude that Trump will do the rational thing and avoid taking the bait, while working to get a truce. Rational people forget that a rational actor would never have signed off on the sneak attack. Two data points does not make a pattern, but Trump has signed off on two Pearl Harbor style schemes in just the few months he has been in office. This morning brings news that an “armada” of refueling planes left for the Middle East.

Note also that Stealth Bombers have been positioned at Diego Garcia for months, which is from where an attack on Iran’s nuclear bunkers would be launched. These are the planes that can drop the bunker busters that could possibly get to the underground facilities housing Iran’s nuclear program. Trump has been talking about Iran and Israel maybe getting a truce deal done. Given Trumps habit of attacking the people with whom he is negotiating, an attack in Iran is probably imminent.

Regardless of whether Trump throws gasoline on this fire or not, the region is now in chaos and that seems to please Trump. Not only that, but his base of support in the United States is sharply divided. The old people who let Fox News do their thinking are waving the flag and screaming for blood. The younger side takes the phrase “America First” literally, so they oppose another pointless war of choice. Trump is now blasting people like Tucker Carlson over this situation.

That seems to be the goal of the Trump chaos. Another feature of the Trump era is that he never gains anything from the chaos. In this situation, he has the Israel Lobby on their heels, so he could get an Iran deal done that ends this issue for good. There is no reason to think he will take advantage of the opportunity. It is why the way to bet is on an attack this week. It is the one option guaranteed to create more chaos, which seems to be the narcotic of Trump’s choosing.

Perhaps this is just a symptom. Trump as the Mule from the Asimov novel could be what happens at the end of democratic empire. Athens also suffered from a mercurial figure at the end of their empire. Alcibiades, known for his personal ambition, ego and unpredictable behavior, was a key figure in the downfall of Athens. Perhaps that is what we are seeing with Trump. He is the American Alcibiades presiding over the final phase of the American empire.


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Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461821 June 16, 2025 8:38 am 114
Trump is an untrustworthy, unhinged moron. We knew about both of these attacks. He campaigned on stopping these “wars of choice.” Yet here we are. We violated the START treaty by letting our Ukie “friends” blow up a big chunk of the Russians’ strategic bomber force. We allowed and assisted Israel with their unprovoked attack on Iran. It’s so sickening that our foreign policy is run in Tel Aviv.Our diplomatic credibility is shot to hell. So much for his “dealmaking” acumen.I love how our choice at the ballot box in November was a weird, narcissistic blowhard or an 85-IQ, white-hating lunatic. In Congress, it’s either the blatantly anti-white party or the party that talks a good game and always finks on their voters.I stayed home precisely for that reason. What a country.If the Strait of Hormuz is closed, Trump needs to be impeached and thrown out of office. He needs to take the blame for $10 gasoline at the pump and the cratering of our economy. Then we need to RICO AIPAC and the ADL into oblivion and leave Israel to their own devices. I don’t give a damn about Israel. Or Iran. Or Ukraine. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or any of these damned countries. I’m sick of the GAE and sick of all of the damage caused by our idiotic meddling.
The Wild Geese Howard #461830 June 16, 2025 8:54 am 39
I stayed home precisely for that reason. What a country. Same here. Somehow in the absolute bottom of my gut I knew that Trump would ultimately fail to deliver on much of his heady campaign talk.
ProZNoV #461838 June 16, 2025 9:04 am 59
People wonder how American voters could have been so foolish to elect W. Wilson and FDR because “they promised to keep us out of wars!”. All of American politics is a Lucy yanking the ball away from Charlie Brown moments. This time it will be different!
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461884 June 16, 2025 10:14 am 13
It’s like that insurance commercial with the guy with the fishing line and a dollar attached. As Zman says, the solutions are easy, but so many entrenched, wealthy interests won’t allow them.
A Bad Man #461839 June 16, 2025 9:04 am 51
Woodrow Wilson’s 1916 re-election campaign slogan was “He kept us out of war.” FDR’s 1940 campaign slogan was “Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”
Boris #461892 June 16, 2025 10:40 am 51
And don’t forget LBJ’s infamous “Daisy” political ad in 64 that painted Goldwater as the warmonger when in fact…. well, we all know what happened next.
A Bad Man #461958 June 16, 2025 12:58 pm 12
Yes, thank you Boris the Spider — good add. As the level of discourse sinks into the mud, propaganda goes down with it. At this point I am just waiting for the ‘Iranians spear infants on bayonets’ or ‘tip over incubators’ or the grandest of them all, something, something ‘rape’.
3g4me #461843 June 16, 2025 9:07 am 40
What you said. In spades.
NoName #461976 June 16, 2025 1:49 pm 4
Click to “un-mute”, so that you can hear the audio:https://tinyurl.com/2xmf6mzk It’s anuddah shoah!!!
Namely #461849 June 16, 2025 9:12 am 11
When Trump pushed for $300B increase in defense spending two weeks back (after all DOGE song and dance), did he know about the Russian and Iranian operations and potential expansion of the wars? I understand that such questions are less intellectually challenging for Zman than Rand Paul bashing.
Bloated Boomer #461870 June 16, 2025 9:44 am 31
Trump negotiates with his voters while sneak attacking all the issues they care about.
Dutchboy #461896 June 16, 2025 10:54 am 37
We now know that DOGE was a publicity stunt, not a serious program. That is why Musk got his nose out of joint when he realized the actual score.
The Infant Phenomenon #461919 June 16, 2025 11:31 am 16
Not only that, but it is abundantly clear that Trump fully intends to force us into a cashless-economy-total-surveillance police state. But he intends to do it via Palantir and the private sector rather than precipitate a Constitutional crisis by trying to do it via a CBDC.
A Bad Man #461960 June 16, 2025 12:59 pm 8
Ah, shades of the liberal trope, ‘weeeeel Faceberg is a PRIVATE company they can do what they want’ … no 1st Amendment issue there….
ray #461992 June 16, 2025 4:01 pm 6
I’m feeling that too. USAID was loud but it was brief and has not been followed up. Where are the domestic fronts? The arrests?
TempoNick #461904 June 16, 2025 11:00 am -1
I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he was giving Jewish interests enough rope to hang themselves. (For now, that is.) I’m also keeping an open mind to what you are saying. If what you are saying is true, it’s a little disturbing that he is using the same tactics of the same people in the establishment he has been so critical of. The rest of your post was spot on.
Robbo #462330 June 18, 2025 12:02 pm 1
The “4D chess”, Q stuff is tired. Very tired. He is what he seems: an idiot out of his depth.
pyrrhus #461935 June 16, 2025 12:07 pm 27
But the alternative was an alcoholic whore with a low IQ who speaks in gibberish…in which case we’d already be at war….An autopen war….
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461979 June 16, 2025 2:06 pm 10
Agreed. There was no choice in this election. Kamala was likely less corpus mentis than Biden and would’ve signed anything put in front of her, ala Ron Burgundy.
TempoNick #461996 June 16, 2025 4:17 pm 4
Don’t forget THE most important issue: She would be dumping third worlders into this country at the same rate Zero did.
Robbo #462332 June 18, 2025 12:03 pm 0
Yep. I can’t quite imagine her doing a sassy black chick act and telling the neocons where to go, can you?
Tars Tarkas #461969 June 16, 2025 1:28 pm 6
Chances are high he didn’t even know about them beforehand. I’m just as mad about the Iran situation as anyone else and his after the fact comments were indeed moronic, but I am not convinced he even knew about either attack. He is one guy up against a million plus bureaucrats.
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461980 June 16, 2025 2:06 pm 11
But why talk about assisting the Israelis and bragging about how the Iranians should’ve made a deal? It sounds like foreknowledge to me.
Tars Tarkas #461987 June 16, 2025 3:07 pm 1
I agree that he should not have supported it after the fact. But I don’t think he knew. The whole gov is loaded with liars and traitors.
Alzaebo #462009 June 16, 2025 6:54 pm 0
Agree. I think he was trying to run in front of the parade, in both directions. He’s from the “always sell it” school, even when he’s promoting people who end up stabbing him or his voters in the back. A “no regrets” kind of guy.
Robbo #462333 June 18, 2025 12:04 pm 2
Can we stop with the “Trump as victim” stuff. He fully supports what is going on.
My Comment #461972 June 16, 2025 1:39 pm 17
But what can we expect? As Z has noted many times, our politicians are just actors hired to play a part. What makes Trump seemingly unpredictable and creates so much chaos is he is an actor who likes to improvise rather than sticking to the script. Trump desperately wants to be an alpha dog but learned from his first goround that he will end up in jail is he displeases his masters.
Bilejones #462031 June 17, 2025 3:58 am 3
Why do you use “We” when describing the actions of the political filth?
Captain Willard #461816 June 16, 2025 8:30 am 96
We are at the End of Empire stage. Any president in these circumstances would be flailing around. Trump just makes it more dramatic. Even if the American public supported all this foreign-policy chicanery, which it doesn’t, it’s not clear Trump could enforce his will in Ukraine or Iran. Meanwhile, we ‘ve taught our friends and “enemies” to 1) absolutely get nuclear weapons or suffer regime change 2) wait us out, because we cannot sustain a long-term policy requiring discipline and are self-destructing anyway and 3) never negotiate with us because we’re incapable of honoring any agreement or even the diplomatic process itself..
Arshad Ali #461845 June 16, 2025 9:08 am 28
Amen. Couldn’t agree with you more. Best is to not deal with the USA if you can avoid it — you’ll just be short-changed and suffer trauma.
george 1 #461854 June 16, 2025 9:20 am 38
Yes. Completely agree. The read out from Putin’s call to Trump after the Israeli attacks seemed to me that Putin is letting Trump know that no more deals are possible. Putin seems to have also referred to Trump and Bibi as engaging in war crimes. This in polite diplomatic terms as Putin is known for.
Jack Dodson #461858 June 16, 2025 9:28 am 44
The Minsk accords put paid to any serious future negotiations with the West already. This was just the head shot to stop the twitching. It is hard to work up even shame at this point to carry a U.S. passport.
Hokkoda #462018 June 16, 2025 8:22 pm 2
We could change every CIA employee and still have an enemy force controlling the govt. Hangings are the only thing that ends this madness.
Mycale #461817 June 16, 2025 8:33 am 70
I have no idea what is going to happen, but I noticed that the JIDF on X and the conservative media were triumphant the night Israel kicked it off but eerily quiet the next day after Iran responded. The NY Post pushed it off the main page and focused on the assassination of that Minnesota lawmaker. That tells me it didn’t go the way they wanted.I hate to be a doomer, but Trump’s response to the attacks not only highlighted all his worst elements, but probably killed his 2nd term. As Z wisely points out, everyone can see the similarities between this attack and Ukraine’s, thus proving that the CIA and Mossad (but I repeat myself) are heavily involved in both. Despite Trump’s talk of a desire for peace, it’s obvious that (A) the tail is still wagging the dog and he is not in control of his own operation, and (B) he’s so desperate to appear like he is that he will say insane and stupid things just to try to show it. Russia cannot negotiate with a guy who bragged about bad faith negotiations to help war criminal Netanyahu. Nobody can. I mean, it’s no secret that America is not an honest broker and the “rules based order” is a joke but now there are no more pretenses. The only thing that can hold this together is force, and a country that struggled against a bunch of guys living in tents cannot hold it together with force.
Captain Willard #461823 June 16, 2025 8:41 am 29
In Trump 2.0, we thought we were getting “eye-of-the-tiger” Rocky but we ended up getting end-of-career Ali. Holmes (MIC/Blob) is jabbing him relentlessly into retirement while Angelo Dundee gets ready to throw in the towel and Bundini Brown weeps silently in the corner.
Ostei Kozelskii #462023 June 16, 2025 9:03 pm 0
You’re blowin’ it, kid!
george 1 #461828 June 16, 2025 8:51 am 35
I bet a T-Shirt that has Trump’s face along with “Bibi’s Bitch” would be a huge seller.
Bloated Boomer #461879 June 16, 2025 9:56 am 17
What about a scene with bibi sitting in the oval office playing the part of Bill Clinton, and trump playing the part of Monica Lewinksy?
TempoNick #461906 June 16, 2025 11:07 am 2
There has been a meme floating around with Trump bent over and Bibi standing right behind him, both with their shirts off.
NoName #462025 June 16, 2025 10:28 pm 1
TempoNick:“There has been a meme floating around with Trump bent over and Bibi standing right behind him, both with their shirts off.“
Robbo #462337 June 18, 2025 12:08 pm 0
That’s some horny action right there!
MysteriousOrca #461932 June 16, 2025 11:56 am 7
A few months ago I posted a meme that is basically that, a a MAGA grandpa got very cross with me about it
Robbo #462338 June 18, 2025 12:08 pm 0
Have a look at the nutters over at Conservative Treehouse. MAGA gramps galore.
Alzaebo #461937 June 16, 2025 12:18 pm 5
You’re wearing that in public, have some decency!Now, dual pix of the meetings where Trump is holding Bibi’s chair for him like a servant… He didn’t do that for any other world leader, did he? On the back, have all the pix of Presidents kissing the Wall. (My Hard Boomer friend insists,insists, that doesn’t mean poor, benighted Israel has any power. Keep those Blessings comin’!)
Bloated Boomer #462015 June 16, 2025 7:47 pm 0
It works on many levels. Having bibz sitting on the throne shows the reality of who rules the USA. And alludes to the Lewinsky scandal being a stitch up. Even better have Epstein standing at the back next to his painting of Bill Clinton in a dress.Really tie a bow on the whole thing.
NoName #462027 June 16, 2025 10:40 pm 0
Alzaebo: “Now, dual pix of the meetings where Trump is holding Bibi’s chair for him like a servant…” https://i.imgur.com/TA8MYJR.mp4
george 1 #461942 June 16, 2025 12:25 pm 0
Yes. At the Resolute Desk. Perfect.
NoName #461984 June 16, 2025 2:16 pm 2
Well we do have the following A.I.BTW, it’s been about 2025 – 1998 = 27 years since Miss Jewinsky went all cigar humidor.At this point, anyone with a strong adult memory of Miss Jewinsky would just about have to be a grandparent.And peeps with a living memory of Marilyn Monroe, or Mary Pinchot Meyer, would be furiously battling Alzheimer’s in a nursing home.BTW, if you go to the Wikipedia page for Monica Jewinsky, and find the “Scandal” section…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky#Scandal…and if you then scroll your mouse pointer over the words “oral sex“, you’ll get a rather explicit picture of the nature of the act.Can’t tell whether or not it’s circumcised.I’ve never before seen anything quite like that at Wikipedia…
Robbo #462336 June 18, 2025 12:07 pm 0
With an Iranian hypersonic for the cigar.
Mycale #461886 June 16, 2025 10:19 am 23
I still think that Trump sincerely wanted to make a deal, and was very skeptical of Netanyahu (recall he got rid of Waltz after Waltz was caught huddling with Netanyahu on war plans) but as I said, he isn’t running his own operation. What is pathetic is his after-the-fact attempt to make it sound like he is in charge and was running some big kayfabe operation with Israel – something they immediately started backing away from when it became clear that the attack wasn’t the total unbridled success that the media was pretending it was.I know this is a total fantasy but if Trump got out there and said “we had nothing to do with it, we don’t support it, this causes a lot of problems for us and we are cutting assistance to Israel until they cease these attacks, they’re on their own” then I would know he is serious and in charge. But, he’s not.
Jack Dodson #461898 June 16, 2025 10:54 am 30
The United States president largely is powerless outside of a very narrowly prescribed range. All Western leaders are at best puppets at this point. There is no question Trump is not in charge in the foreign policy sphere. Americans increasingly treat their system as the late-stage East Bloc folks did–with jaundiced and bemused contempt, and that is far too generous. I hope they are not as restrained with their oppressors when it all collapses.
The Infant Phenomenon #461920 June 16, 2025 11:38 am 6
if Trump got out there and said “we had nothing to do with it, we don’t support it, this causes a lot of problems for us and we are cutting assistance to Israel until they cease these attacks, they’re on their own” You’re right, of course, but that would only move the Israelis to use the Samson Option. And they *will* do it if their backs are against the wall–and that day appears to be fast approaching. Somebody DO something!
george 1 #461947 June 16, 2025 12:31 pm 6
Trump has now said “We might get involved.” ( As if we are not involved already.) So it does not sound like he is anywhere close to cutting his loses with Israel.
iForgotmyPen #461954 June 16, 2025 12:51 pm 1
I’m not defending Trump, he has turned out to yet again be a disappointment, but to play devil’s advocate, what is the play here in terms of our best little friends? He comes out and says we’re done with your BS, you don’t think he’s going to get JFK’d by lunchtime? Is that psychopath Netanyahu not just going to do whatever the hell he can to start WWIII anyway?
Mycale #461961 June 16, 2025 1:00 pm 13
Well, this is the core problem isn’t it. We don’t have leaders running this country. It’s possible, likely even, that JFK didn’t know what he was up against and what they were willing to do. Is Trump so blind? I doubt it. He just chose to play ball. He doesn’t have the spine to stand up to these people, and he just got pantsed in front of the entire world.Obviously the situations were different, but Putin stopped the same group of people from treating his people like disposable objects when he got into office. The option to lead always exists.
iForgotmyPen #461964 June 16, 2025 1:20 pm 3
Trump has to know they’ll take him out, I mean they’ve already tried at least twice. Rumor of our best little friends being involved with JFK might also be known by Trump, thus giving him pause to cross them. I wish he would rise to the challenge, he does seem to sense he could be a transformational president, but as you say he just doesn’t have the stones to rise to the occasion. It’s disappointing but was completely predictable. At best maybe he’ll be the one to begin the collapse that’s needed.
Robbo #462340 June 18, 2025 12:11 pm 0
Agreed. The only way this ends is when Israel – or at least the Zionist entity – ends. That is almost certainly on the cards. Israel was created as a safe haven for all Jews about the Shoah. Today, Jews are safer in Germany and Poland than in Israel. Think about that. Israel is done.
Alzaebo #462013 June 16, 2025 7:09 pm 1
Instead of holding their chair for them, they should be dropping like flies. Speak to them in the only language they respect.
Alzaebo #462011 June 16, 2025 7:07 pm 2
Bibi was smirking when he told Brett Baier that “he had intelligence” confirming that Iran wanted to kill Trump, so you know damn well that whatever Iran “wanted”, it wasn’t Iran that was involved.
Ploppy #462029 June 16, 2025 11:52 pm 0
The only way to stop a group that uses assassination freely as a tactic is to retaliate. All of these little Israeli capers should have each resulted in a thousand dual citizens having a date with a piano wire.
Andy Texan #462021 June 16, 2025 8:47 pm 0
The narrative engineers lead by the usual suspects sold Mr. Trump on the brilliance of the Israeli plan and stroked his insufferable ego, ‘. . . Mr President, you will be remembered throughout history as the defender of Israel and the lion who defeated the Ayatollahs. . .’ or something to that effect. Unfortunately narrative engineers have no use for facts on the ground. Now that the facts have intruded, Mr. Trump can not likely bear up under the bombardment without intervening to save their skins. The first step, of course, is bombastic threats. If Iran does not back down, the US will have to attack and the economy will tank. So much for the golden age.
Dutchboy #461899 June 16, 2025 10:56 am 23
There is a certain appropriate symmetry to all this: Tel Aviv is starting to resemble Gaza.
Zfan #461938 June 16, 2025 12:18 pm 4
I was promised Trump Resorts, but every single beach town is going to shit!
Robbo #462341 June 18, 2025 12:12 pm 0
Even more beachfront for Kushner’s development projects.
Robbo #462335 June 18, 2025 12:07 pm 0
You aren’t being a doomer; you’re just being realistic. Trump lied to all his voters. I don’t see him lasting out his term. As for the Israelis “winning”, if that were true, they wouldn’t be a) enforcing a total news blackout and b) desperately begging Uncle Shmuel to jump in.
Vizzini #461829 June 16, 2025 8:53 am 47
It would honestly be pretty funny if they got the Iranian regime change they’ve been asking for: “The old regime was too weak and allowed us to be ambushed by the Satanic forces of Israel! This new regime will not be so easily fooled!”
Captain Willard #461837 June 16, 2025 9:03 am 25
Exactly. As our host keeps saying, “no second-order thinking” is happening. Things can always get worse.
Dutchboy #461901 June 16, 2025 10:58 am 5
The present Ayatollahs had a lot more muscle under those Islamic robes than Israel bargained for.
TempoNick #461910 June 16, 2025 11:09 am 1
I, for one, would love it. Turn about is fair play.
Whiskey #461973 June 16, 2025 1:42 pm -4
No, there would be a radically different Iranian regime. The Mullahs regime is based morally on overthrowing the Sunni monarchies and “protecting” the Shia in the Arabian peninsula, destroying the Little Satan, and destroying the Great Satan. The Iranian National Anthem literally has “Death to America” as part of the lyrics. This is the moral foundation of the Regime back to the Revolution and for the most part Iran’s populace rejects it. The regime exists only by force.The mechanics of the Regime is a familial, clan based system encompassing the Mullahs at the top, next IRGC commanders, who are all inter-related from the same clans and all take a taste off the top. Imagine Tony Soprano and company running a country and that is the system. This is why when Israel launched the Pager Attack it basically paralyzed Hezbollah who so far have been a non-factor. Hezbollah works on the same way, clan/family with every leader taking a taste and distributing to their followers. It is very powerful but depends on the relative ability, charisma, leadership, and blood/family ties of the leaders to make the thing work. Take it away and you get the Cartel situation in Mexico. Every Cartel eventually splinters as there is little to create loyalty and hierarchy.A new regime would be reflective of the broader Iranian society and merchant class: urban, feminized, internationalist, and profoundly materialist in a way that the Mullahs are not. I don’t know if the regime can be overthrown. They have faced protests, riots, etc. repeatedly by people chafing at the familial rule of the Mullahs and Guard.As long as the Regime has enough money and moral legitimacy among its enforcers they will retain power. That means they can’t repeat the Shah’s mistakes and stop paying the Mullahs; they have to keep the patronage throwing to put men on the streets with guns to shoot those who oppose the regime, and convice the men with guns that they are doing Allah’s will. IF the Mullahs can no longer pay the enforces, it will be like Hezbollah.
Vizzini #461988 June 16, 2025 3:19 pm 20
That’s what my TV told me, too, but I no longer believe what my TV tells me. They’ve been telling me for more than 45 years that the population rejects the rulers. I’m sure there are some who do, but i no longer am certain those internationalist Iranians represent the people. They told us the people of Afghanistan loved their new Western government, educating women and George Floyd murals. But they couldn’t put the Taliban back in power fast enough.
Robbo #462342 June 18, 2025 12:14 pm 0
Yep. I was listening to some Iranian feminist expat gushing on today about how Iranians all want regime change. I’m sure they do (or did until Trump rallied them behind their leaders), but I doubt they want to go back to the Pahlavi era or even less forward to the “diverse” and “non-binary” society this feminist loon was pushing for.
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461982 June 16, 2025 2:09 pm 4
Either that or a Libyan-type situation where the whole Persian state becomes a series of warlord-led fiefdoms lobbing ballistic missiles at everyone while the country’s oil infrastructure burns and the Straits of Hormuz are closed to shipping traffic.
ProZNoV #461836 June 16, 2025 9:01 am 45
As a child in school I was taught that the Pearl Harbor attack was especially dastardly and pernicious because the Japanese ambassador was actively involved in diplomatic negotiations when the attack was underway. Supposedly due to a timing issue from Tokyo that they didn’t give a formal note. Oopsie. Now the US is patting itself on the back for being so very clever. (How did that work out for the Japanese, anyway? I forget)
Maxda #461861 June 16, 2025 9:35 am 31
Pearl Harbor is the exact example that came to my mind as it was happening. We literally participated in a scene for scene reenactment. Trump’s “peacemaker” President act is over. Nobody will ever take him seriously again after he bragged about Iranian negotiators being killed. Try explaining that one to Lavrov.
Mycale #461865 June 16, 2025 9:38 am 35
“Vlad, I promise this time I am serious and not pretending to make a deal while the CIA helps Ukraine commit a terrorist attack” Yea it’s over.
Evil Sandmich #461881 June 16, 2025 9:59 am 12
It’s doable, but not possible. For instance if he went to Iran and noted that we had nothing to do with the attacks and unilaterally lifted all sanctions with nothing in return from the Persians except for their understanding it would go a long way towards patching things up, but, yeah, not happening.
The Infant Phenomenon #461929 June 16, 2025 11:52 am 11
Again I repeat that “our” country has spent 40 years with wide-open borders and then does this. When do the sleeper cells get busy? As soon as Trump resumes the now-fictitious “mass deportations” except–of course–for [long list]?
The Infant Phenomenon #461927 June 16, 2025 11:49 am 7
“Supposedly due to a timing issue from Tokyo that they didn’t give a formal note. Oopsie.” What happened was that the Japanese diplomats were waiting at the State Dept., note in hand, while Secretary Cordell Hull was at home having Sunday dinner and didn’t get in to his office until the attack was already in progress.
Whiskey #461975 June 16, 2025 1:47 pm 6
The US and Japan were already fighting each other in China. With Vinegar Joe Stillwell and the Flying Tigers. What the US Navy failed to comprehend was the ability of the Japanese Navy to stage an attack that far east in the Pacific and at that scale. They viewed the spread out attacks in China as the model, and predicted what Japan was most likely to do, not the maximum it could do.This was a mistake made also during Tsavo Straights. When the Japanese Navy sailed at night to attack the US fleet of Guadalcanal, sinking much of the cruisers and battleships and forcing the Navy to retreat in panic. Leaving the US forces there on their own.
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461983 June 16, 2025 2:16 pm 9
We are also doing so in the Atlantic as well. It was an American ship, a Coast Guard cutter, that tipped off the British the location of the battleship Bismarck. With Lend Lease, we were already combatants.The funny thing about the American Volunteer Group is the stupid arrogance of the U.S. commanders, who didn’t even read the excellent intelligence reports from Claire Lee Chenault, the AVG commander, about the Japanese fighter aircraft. He told them about their incredible maneuverability and range obtained at the expense of survivability, but they were likely round-filed and our pilots had to learn things the hard way during the first year or so of the Pacific War.Chenault’s pilots already figured out that the P-40, while not a great fighter, could dive faster than a Zero (Navy) or Oscar (Army) and could survive multiple hits, whereas those planes disintegrated under even a light barrage of .50 cal gunfire.Navy and Army pilots had to learn boom and zoom (hit the enemy from high altitude in a diving, slashing attack and pull away to repeat) tactics that they should’ve been taught from the outset if those intel reports had been read.Our commanders are similarly arrogant, just as the Israelis were in this war with the Iranian ballistic missile threat.
Alzaebo #462014 June 16, 2025 7:14 pm 0
The Flying Tigers were mercenaries protecting Chiang Kai-Shek’s opium shipments on the Chinese National Air Company. When Japan started interdicting them, the Tigers firebombed Edo.
karl von hungus #461811 June 16, 2025 8:13 am 45
i think trump backtracking on deporting illegals in selected industries was his “read my lips, no new taxes” moment. the GOP is going to get wiped out in the midterms, and i wouldn’t be surprised if Trump resigns soon thereafter. either he is massively compromised, or suffering from cognitive decline, and it is causing this destructive behavior.
Mycale #461822 June 16, 2025 8:40 am 64
The GOP would love that. They would rather lose than do the things their base wants. If losing means they can get rid of Trump, it’s a deal they will take 100 times out of 100. They love illegal immigrant labor and hate their voters even more than the Dems do.
Epaminondas #461824 June 16, 2025 8:42 am 33
I suggested to my wife this morning that Trump might simply resign and turn things over to Vance. You will recall that Vance was one of the lone voices warning against an attack on Iran. I don’t see how Trump wiggles out of this. Tragically, he will be attacked from all sides in a manner reminiscent of the first George Bush admin.
The Infant Phenomenon #461925 June 16, 2025 11:45 am 18
I don’t see anything remotely tragic about that. He has lied to everybody about everything, betrayed his voters, and brought it 100% on himself.
Casimir #461968 June 16, 2025 1:27 pm 4
“Tragically, he will be attacked from all sides in a manner reminiscent of the first George Bush admin” Nothing tragic about that. I couldn’t think of a more fitting end for the blowhard showman after he betrayed his supporters like this.
Robbo #462344 June 18, 2025 12:16 pm 0
I owe an apology too to Tulsi Gabbard. I lumped her in with that useless trio of Patel, Bongino and Barr Room Blondie. But at least she had the stones to tell Trump the truth to his face about Iran’s non-nuke. And his reply? “I don’t care what she says.” The guy is off his trolley.
Felix Krull #461827 June 16, 2025 8:51 am 26
His Big, Beautiful Door was his “Kiss my ass, I’m going to drown you in diversity”-moment.
I hope Iran wins. #461842 June 16, 2025 9:06 am 31
Ann Coulter’s theory about Trump’s first term was that the idiocy was the fault of Jared and Ivanka but he has new advisors so… Doesn’t he get tired of stepping on rakes?
Mycale #461853 June 16, 2025 9:16 am 9
Jared and Ivanka were especially good at exploiting Trump’s weaknesses to get what they want, but that doesn’t mean that other people haven’t learned how to do so over the years.
Xman #461878 June 16, 2025 9:54 am 4
e.g., Bibi?
ray #461872 June 16, 2025 9:47 am 11
Just because Jarvanka publicly is out of sight this term, we cannot assume their influence has fallen. Perhaps it has increased, we dunno. I mean, she’s still his princess, right? The one he thought was hot when younger? etc.
Dutchboy #461903 June 16, 2025 10:59 am 2
How can we be so sure he is still not taking their advice? It sure looks like it.
TempoNick #461912 June 16, 2025 11:10 am 0
As Larry Schweikert pointed out, he could just be prioritizing deportation for other categories. Or it could be that his own hotels are suffering.
Mr. Invisible #461847 June 16, 2025 9:09 am 44
Our political system may well disintegrate if Trump allows a full US shock and awe attack on Iran. The energy of the American electorate over the past decade has been upon itself and the destruction of the middle class way of life in the US, now nearly complete. Millions of people in their 20s and 30s can now see that their lives will spent in a decaying, dying state, with few hopes for a decent, quiet life that they know only through old news broadcasts and family photographs. Full-scale war with Iran will be the final psychological domino as they face up to the fact that we do not have control over DC and are being ruled, not ruling, and that they will never leave first base.How people react to that, one cannot say. Perhaps they give up entirely. Perhaps they don’t. But a very dark confrontation is coming with reality, one that can no longer be avoided, because while you may still be able to get food, soon, you won’t be able to pay for electricity or travel very far with the resources you have on hand to pay for them. All of those “I Voted!” stickers got us…this.
Anonymouseguy #461913 June 16, 2025 11:15 am 14
All of those “I Voted!” stickers got us…this.This is ultra cope from people desperately trying to recapture their sense of agency in order to manage their profound internal anxieties.Voting makes no difference so youre dumb if you vote AND also none of this would have happened if people didnt vote, although it makes no difference if you do vote, which you shouldn’t because it ruined everything.If it didnt make any difference then it didnt make any difference and all the smart boys imagining they like, see through it all, man… are, and always WERE in exactly the same boat as all the rest of us powerless goy lined up for the captive bolt pistol.Most Trump voters looked at the same garbage degenerate godless strip mall country and the same disconnected levers you did and figured it was worth a shot. People HOPED he could turn it around because despair it not just a mistake it’s an actual sin and healthy functioning people need hope to live, even if its distant and dim. There wasnt much else to do and we had been doing that stuff anyway.The NYT would have you believe all trump voters have trump tattoos and were waiting on him to usher in the eschaton but everyone is just doing their best to make things more tolerable for themselves and their kids given that we dont actually control anything any more than you do.Its hard for people to see this but the real hard truth is not that its foolish to do the small things you can actually do to improve your situation. The hard truth is that if youre doomed youre doomed and your psychological distancing and “akshually I predicted thith” does nothing except demoralize your allies and make auccess even more remote.Furthermore hate to tell you this but… most of you proclaiming its all over today will be back to thinking everything is going great tomorrow. The comment section on this site oscillates like this almost daily and people never seem to even notice theyre doing it.Its really ultimate childish thinking to not have the stomach for a long painful war with an uncertain outcome and many setbacks. Instead it’s alwaya back and forth between “we’re so back” and “it’s all over bro!” depending on the last headline.”I get that these are TERRIBlLE developments believe me, but if we havent throw outselves on the railroad tracks after that last century or so of terrible developments then maybe now is also not the time. Actually never is the time
Mr. Invisible #461998 June 16, 2025 4:36 pm 7
You seem to think I voted and like the “I Voted!” stickers, when a decent education would’ve alerted you to the fact that I was beingironic(the actual type, not the kind you’re almost certainly thinking of). I didn’t bother reading most of your rant. Your grammar and punctuation are atrocious. Life is too short to waste.
Anonymouseguygmail.com #462207 June 17, 2025 11:03 pm -1
I clearly blew past your lexile level there so don’t really know where to go from here discussion wise. So good day to you sir, please do not vote even harder next time and report back on great results!
TempoNick #461914 June 16, 2025 11:17 am 3
Bush II split the Republican Party over the Iraq War. After he bumbled into a rack, I noticed Democrat Party campaign signs in wealthy suburbs around here that were solidly Republican until then. I don’t know if it was because they were overtly against war or because they had gotten fed up with Republicans by that point. They have become more and more Democrat over the years.Trump is going to split MAGA in the same way if he doesn’t watch this warmonger stuff.But I’m also a realist. If warmongering and looting other countries is a protection racket that makes us rich, I guess I have to hold my nose and accept reality.
Alzaebo #461949 June 16, 2025 12:35 pm 12
China, in one generation, went from a bicycle economy to orbiting the Moon.America, in one generation, is going to an e-bike economy.
Whiskey #461977 June 16, 2025 1:51 pm -3
Why would you think this? Iran is the closest thing to an eternal enemy of the US and has been since 1979. As long as there is not too much inconvenience and there is no draft and mass casualties, no one will care that much.The ugly truth about material consumerism is that is an acid eating away at society, to the point where no one cares about much of anything. In that matter Nietzsche was correct about the Last Man. No one really cared that much about the Gulf War, or Iraq War, or Afghan War (which went on for 20 years). Modern, market dominated societies produce isolated individuals who consume product, await for more product. That’s it.Stuff far away gets blowed up, reall good. Meanwhile, apologies to Jello Biafra, “Give me Convenience, or Give Me Death.”
Mr. Invisible #461999 June 16, 2025 4:39 pm 16
Buddy, the US has had about five “mortal enemies” in my lifetime, and I’m not that old. Every five years there’s been a new Hitler. I remember the Iranian Revolution and how American adults were behaving at the time. You must have been one of them. Absolutely bonkers. It’s on the other side of the world. Perhaps if we hadn’t overthrown their government in 1953 and installed our puppet the Shah, none of this would’ve ever occurred — in fact, it wouldn’t have. Allen Dulles and the Rockefellers are smiling, from Hell.
Vizzini #461834 June 16, 2025 9:00 am 42
Trump is nowblastingpeople like Tucker Carlson over this situation. . ‘Well, considering that I’m the one that developed America First, and considering that the term wasn’t used until I came along, I think I’m the one that decides that,’ he said. Oh, Don…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee “Launched in September 1940…” Charles Lindbergh was MAGA before Trump was a gleam in his Daddy’s eye.
karl von hungus #461869 June 16, 2025 9:42 am 20
Don’t know much about historyDon’t know much biologyDon’t know much about a science bookDon’t know much about the French I took
Vizzini #462026 June 16, 2025 10:36 pm 2
It’s interesting. If you read that wikipedia article it is clear that Sobran’s definition of anti-Semitism was true back then. “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.” Jews worked hard to tar people like Lindbergh and Avery Brundage as anti-Semites simply because Jews disagreed with their decisions or politics.
Bilejones #462032 June 17, 2025 4:10 am 1
And the irony that most Jews are not semites is lost on most people.
usNthem #461820 June 16, 2025 8:35 am 40
Lots of black pilling going on lately. Admittedly, Trump does bounce around from issue to issue more than is probably necessary along with often off the cuff remarks that can be irritating. But I think much, if not most of the chaos generated is from the blob and its fellow TDS sufferers. They simply are unable to help themselves no matter what Trump does or says. That said, if the jews can’t somehow be reined in, they could be the death of us all.
Ben the Layabout #461897 June 16, 2025 10:54 am 3
Admittedly the following is a long shot but why not? Imagine the war escalates. US apologizes that due to unforeseen circumstances it cannot provide further support to Israel.
The Infant Phenomenon #461922 June 16, 2025 11:41 am 6
“But I think much, if not most of the chaos generated is from the blob and its fellow TDS sufferers.” Probably true, but Trump should summon some MArines ad instruct them to arrest the malefactors’ and stop pussy-footing around. The stakes could hardly be higher.
Pozymandias #462006 June 16, 2025 5:50 pm 2
We probably won’t get mass deportations (or any movement on the rest of the MAGA program) until there are mass arrests among the Blob. Trump needs to break the back of the shadow government before he can get anything else done. Does he have the stones for that? So far, I don’t see it.
Jack Boniface #461831 June 16, 2025 8:54 am 36
“the final phase of the American empire.” And the end of that monstrosity can’t come too soon.
herrman #461848 June 16, 2025 9:11 am 34
The country has gone bi-polar. I’ve noted for awhile that each successive administration has been gyrating in increasing arcs between policy extremes, resulting in wild swings in governance. It’s the oscillating bridge phenomenon, and inevitably leads to collapse. In a sort of cosmic irony Trump represents two links in this causality, his current self is a more radical version of his prior self. We should hope for a collapse sooner rather than later, as the next administration will probably go full Mao. Don’t want to be around for that.
rasqball #461866 June 16, 2025 9:39 am 14
Feminization.
Alzaebo #461944 June 16, 2025 12:28 pm 8
OMG. The Cat Lady Nation.By our next period we’ll be doing crystals and aromatherapy.
ray #461994 June 16, 2025 4:08 pm 5
Mandatory yoga. Shirkers don’t eat.
Nikolai Vladivostok #462020 June 16, 2025 8:30 pm 2
Free speech will become mandatory speech. You have to talk about your feelings.
Xman #461880 June 16, 2025 9:57 am 35
U.S. foreign policy is like two drunks fighting over the wheel as the car swerves down the road from Right to Left, running over countries on the side of the road as they go.
Zorro the lesser Z man #461974 June 16, 2025 1:45 pm 4
U.S. foreign policy is like two drunks fighting over the wheel as the car swerves down the road from Right to Left, running over countries on the side of the road as they go. That is brilliant. Don’t mind me as I borrow it.
Maxda #461864 June 16, 2025 9:38 am 29
The Nimitz, scheduled for retirement, is sailing for the Persian Gulf right now. Will the Israelis sink it or the Iranians. Ready for our “remember the Maine” moment.
Mike #461933 June 16, 2025 11:57 am 15
A couple of Substackers have already called false flag on the Nimitz. It’s hard to disagree. I hope that if a carrier goes down, it causes such a sense of revulsion in the country that we force the Zionists out and start the trials and executions. And we don’t forget the generals and the heads of the MIC.
A Bad Man #461965 June 16, 2025 1:21 pm 9
More like USS Liberty, redux.
Arshad Ali #461840 June 16, 2025 9:04 am 26
“We now see this in his foreign policy which looks more like a game of flipping over tables and smashing things than a coherent strategy to advance national interests.”I don’t know which cabal or loose coalition of interests is running affairs but it’s probably not Trump. I don’t see a coherent foreign policy nor do I see a coherent economic policy. If you”re talking about Trump the man, he wouldn’t recognize strategy if it kicked him in the teeth. For him it’s all about noise, motion, sensation.“There is no reason for Iran to do a deal with Washington after this betrayal of basic diplomatic norms. There is no reason for Iran to take the deal on offer, if they decided to come back to the table.”The Iranians should just stop dealing with the Americans as they can’t be trusted at any level. Like Kim Jong Un, who apparently just returns Trump’s letters unopened, And I’m not aware that there is a deal on offer — just more random and contradictory noise from the Americans, as far as I can gauge. There was a JCPOA once upon a time, but Trump. for reasons of ego, just shredded it.The ray of hope for the Americans and Israelis is that the Iranians lack the killer instinct — they were caught unprepared by the Israeli attack. The Ayatollah-led regime is not paranoid or warlike enough for the situation. Iran has lost face and credibility. It needs a Fuhrer-like figure, not these impotent and clueless ayatollahs.“He is the American Alcibiades presiding over the final phase of the American empire.”The conviction that’s crystallizing in me is that his job is to persuade the rubes back home that the USA is still a great power, even hegemon, while it continues to hemorrhage influence, credibility, respect, and raw power abroad, and while various unattended domestic problems — demographic shift, rotting infrastructure, divide in wealth and income, political corruption — continue to fester and eat away at the foundations of the country. I think Orlov was saying a few weeks back that Trump is going to do nothing but he’s going to do nothing with a lot of noise.
Dutchboy #461911 June 16, 2025 11:10 am 13
True but consider this: Trump was the best candidate of the bunch. That’s how far we have fallen.
Arshad Ali #461924 June 16, 2025 11:45 am 8
I don’t deny it. I voted for him, after all. Not much choice was there?
Pam Hyde #461846 June 16, 2025 9:08 am 24
My guess is that Iran got spooked when they saw the awesome power of the US Military on display during the parade last weekend. Most likely they are quietly in communication with Trump trying to deescalate. Expect a peace deal and the dismantling of their nuclear program within the week.
Talleyrand #461867 June 16, 2025 9:40 am 6
Is this a joke? Your theory is wildly optimistic. I hope you’re right, nevertheless.(I gave you an upvote, for good humor.)
rasqball #461874 June 16, 2025 9:52 am 6
Sarcasm get lost in the mix…?
Bilejones #462033 June 17, 2025 4:11 am 0
Your sarc detector needs a tune up.
Mormons Masons and Muslims #461868 June 16, 2025 9:41 am 12
“squeak squeak” someone forgot to lube the treads when they took the tank out of storage?
Dutchboy #461909 June 16, 2025 11:08 am 6
Tanks are noisy.
Dutchboy #461907 June 16, 2025 11:07 am 20
Interesting to see the Rangers sauntering along like school boys instead of soldiers (in military terms, they were doing a route step, not the usual choice for parades). Lots of people had fun posting videos of Chinese, Russian, and Indian military parades to contrast them with the Sad Sack Washington parade.
ray #461945 June 16, 2025 12:29 pm 7
Who do I cheer for? Both sides hate me and the country I used to celebrate on 7/4.
Mycale #461915 June 16, 2025 11:19 am 22
You know it’s a bad sign when you see your government do something and say, “North Korea does it better.” But hey we got to see all the wonderful diversity of our modern military on display, I am sure that Beijing and Moscow called emergency meetings immediately after.
Alzaebo #461956 June 16, 2025 12:52 pm 3
When they hear the Girl Scouts are coming along behind, they’ll run for the hills.
TomA #461844 June 16, 2025 9:07 am 18
Israel in an island with limited infrastructure. Iran has precision ballistic missiles that cannot be stopped. In a sane world, Iran would destroy Israel’s refineries and electrical generation stations (they have very few of these) thereby cutting off their energy supply. Hit key equipment and the lead time for repair or replacement is measured in years. This would result in a mass exodus and stop all offensive actions by the IDF. And there would be nothing Trump could do to reverse that.
TempoNick #461917 June 16, 2025 11:25 am 15
On the surface, this is a proposal we should cheer. Trouble is, most of those 8 million Jews end up here. Do you want Jews going from one and a half percent of the population to 4%?
Anonymouseguy #461921 June 16, 2025 11:38 am 10
Probably Iran is playing kid gloves with Israel just like Russia does with Ukraine. I think everyone suspects if Israel is subjected to total war by a peer or better the lobby will bring out the real epstein/diddy/franklin files and call in all the favors billions in donations buy in a corrupt town PLUS total media control… and get big brother to launch a general war and then it’s probably doomsday or at least WW3.I’d personally love to see a hypersonic hit the knesset and Ben Mielekowski’s house the first five minutes of a war, but the Js know even in war theyre always protected and never really have to face any consequences of their actions. Zelensky is still on TV and in public locations every five minutes.
Alzaebo #461985 June 16, 2025 2:44 pm 1
We thought we were going to get the Palestinians, instead we get the Israelis
terranigma #461818 June 16, 2025 8:34 am 18
People want to believe that the cost of America entering the war with Iran is too high and Trump will chicken out. The war is even more obviously insane than before, so no chance. The opposite is true. There are no psychological off ramps here because no one has the needed virtue.Zion Don can be callous and conniving against the Persians, but he will not abandon the Israelis after they painted a target on their backs a la “October 7th”. The favored bet is that Trump’s reluctance to enter the war is a show like the nuclear negotiations were a show, because…The images coming out of Israel are the new 9/11 of today. The instillation and exploitation of trauma that is happening right now is simply masterful. The mass psychosis for the Zionists, Evangelicals, and Israelis is a fait accompli. If certain miscalculations mean that Israel falls before the ground troops show up to silence the missile bases in the heart of a “battered and crumbling” Iran, all the better. Permanent blood feud. For those who would rather doubt as I would rather believe, you can head over to ace.mu.nu to read the room for yourself.Then the Democrat coalition handed Teflon Don a massive favor in the staged LA insurrection and pathetic “No Kings” protests. That gave Trump the excuse to act tough and announce the largest deportations ever from Democrat strongholds from Truth Social on Sunday. He now has all the political capital he needs for the war. No, that was not coordinated. Probably. A symphony of incompetence is still a symphony, that is, the parade was the plan and the Democrats being stupid a predictable bonus. If Trump does not declare war, then Congress will break form and do it for him. The usual suspects own Congress even more than the White House.As for the international scene, Iran will not stop the war until Israel backs down. Israel will not back down because, like every other narcissist, any affront to their will is, or eventually will be, met with violence. Russia will go through the far too slow and inconsequential legal channels in the UN because they were born to make that mistake. My vague sense of the Chinese is that they will not do more than the Russians. The powers that be in America will finish their show of allowing Americans to be sucked into a war with Iran before anything significant comes out of Russia or the UN, and Trump expects Putin to negotiate peace between Israel and Iran like Trump himself managed to negotiate peace between Ukraine and Russia.Finally, the Israeli airstrike on Iran in October, 2024, was a feint to map out the Iranian air defenses for Friday’s operation and lull them into a false sense of security, just as the nuclear negotiations were theater to lull Iran into a false sense of security and con the Americans. Even though an agent was charged, it remains possible that the CIA leaked the details of the October airstrike ahead of time to ensure that the Iranian air defenses were fully operational and therefore mappable rather than to deter Israeli aggression at that time. This is competent more than clever, as this level of warfare has been around for a long time. The point is that you do not have a year long, full spectrum NATO plan to wage war on Iran and allow the US President to back out on stage 3 when Israel is getting hit by missiles, because that is according to plan and the US President almost certainly knows that. I suspect Trump’s demure appearance as of late is a reflection of this.“Sometimes they just need to fight it out.”I will be wrong at some point, but this is the synthesis of all the narratives on the internet combined with a fair reading of history.
Mycale #461835 June 16, 2025 9:01 am 41
Trump blew a massive opportunity by finking on his base and calling for an end to deportations from farms and hospitals. It’s insane because Trump had all the momentum after the LA riots, people were behind him, yet he backed down. It doesn’t make any sense until you realize that a bunch of big shots from Tyson and Hilton likely called him up, flattered him a little, and he can’t help himself. But now, that momentum is gone and he lost a huge chunk of his base.But, he is who he is. We knew all this going in. As of now I am fully expecting a massive terrorist attack that will be pinned on the Iranians. It might happen soon, or in a year, but there’s no doubt it’s being worked on.
george 1 #461860 June 16, 2025 9:31 am 11
TACO.
Alzaebo #461952 June 16, 2025 12:44 pm 0
TACO??Umm…conquered by leaf-blowers?The Two-stroke Armada?
george 1 #461991 June 16, 2025 4:01 pm 5
Trump Always Chickens Out.
Bloated Boomer #461885 June 16, 2025 10:16 am 9
He didn’t back down, he was never going to do it to begin with.
Mycale #461888 June 16, 2025 10:24 am 8
Hard disagree, Trump’s political instincts are right and he knows what needs to get done. He just wants to be liked, is very weak to getting buttered up and flattered, and doesn’t like hearing bad news. He thinks that getting rid of illegals is a good thing (he’s right), then the Tyson CEO calls him up and says it’s a bad thing (he’s right, it is bad… for Tyson and only Tyson), then Trump changes tack. it’s just the way he is.For a little while it seemed like he didn’t give a fig about any of that anymore, but it’s clear that’s not the case.
Casimir #462000 June 16, 2025 4:40 pm 11
Trump is just like a woman, both are not responsible or accountable for their own behavior and everyone’s always making excuses for them …remarkable.
Jeffrey Zoar #462007 June 16, 2025 6:21 pm 7
When you start making excuses for politicians, you become part of the problem
Dutchboy #461905 June 16, 2025 11:03 am 11
Yep. His heart was never in the expulsion thing. Remember his swooning about “The Dreamers?”
george 1 #461948 June 16, 2025 12:33 pm 1
Good point!
The Infant Phenomenon #461936 June 16, 2025 12:07 pm 1
Excellent post!But I don’t see how the financial powers in the City of London and its hangers-on in NYC and Paris can afford to lose their Israeli attack dog. The State of Israel was established precisely to be their “colonial” outpost in the ME as a platform to project the power of whatever nation-state they wanted to use at a given time to do their bidding. So unless they are prepared to throw in the towel they *must* keep the state of Israel intact, so they are going to have to figure a way to stop what is happening now, or they will lose their ability to project power in the ME, and I don’t see them giving that up by letting Israel go down permanently. They have *got* to find a way to save Israel. And soon. Israel cannot continue much longer.OTOH, the Iranians might *dictate* terms for ending the present mess, which would give them enormous diplomatic and political capital, which they could use in *many* ways, starting with “We saved the Palestinians” and going from there.
Alzaebo #461951 June 16, 2025 12:42 pm 1
Wow. And what a masterful reading it is. Excellent.
terranigma #462005 June 16, 2025 5:48 pm 2
For Project Ukraine, NATO’s only remaining move is to open up a new front against Russia. Any resources that Russia is forced to redirect into Iran is a win and shifts the European sustain of the theater from laughable to plausible. It would be fitting if Ukraine collapses the moment US Forces directly engage Iran, but Russia is moving too slow for that. Fortune favors the bold when you are betting on entrenched prudence.
Jack Dodson #461876 June 16, 2025 9:54 am 15
Prediction, and I will take bets:If this ends up a clusterfuck and the Iranian regime survives, which seems more than possible, Israel will segue and step up and finalize the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Now, I don’t care about any of the Bronze Age savages in the region, starting with the barbarians we call Our Greatest Ally, but the emotionally drenched American women and men who laughably still identify as men generally do. So, in effect, the end result will be every segment of the generally retarded United States population will end up furious over another grand adventure in the sand.I only care about white safety and survival, and it appears Trump is rapidly moving from a solid “C” to the routine “F” on that score. Utterly predictable and the point when I bray about Orange Man Bad.
Ozornik #461862 June 16, 2025 9:36 am 15
…on the other news, “The American sports betting industry posteda record$13.71 billion in 2024 revenue, up from 2023’srecordof $11.04 billion.”Why do I have the feeling that majority of that activity (not sport! – betting on it!) is performed by that fat soymeatsicle called ‘American white male’?Maybe that variety of bipedals ought to be replaced?
Talleyrand #461871 June 16, 2025 9:45 am 15
Watching “sports” on TV is boring, time-consuming, and unhealthy. Betting money on sports makes it even worse. Instead, one should spend one’s hard-earned money on something interesting and worthwhile.
Alzaebo #461962 June 16, 2025 1:02 pm 1
Eh. Sports dads are more involved with their kids, sports guys are socializing with their friends, sports is a universal language for jocular jousting amongst strangers, and a fun occasion for crowds. I still feel a bit stupid because I never learned how to read a game, a team, or a stat- I just worked, even as a kid. Understanding strategy, politics, numbers- it all starts with the adult version of playing with our army men.
ray #461995 June 16, 2025 4:15 pm 3
When I grew up sports was a sorting mechanism to teach teamwork, but also to identify war-worthy young men. There was still a lot of masculine energy in the nation then. Despite overt sportsmanship, be certain that the local dads viewed local competition as such, and took great pride in the athletic accomplishments of their boys. That’s what they’d talk about around town, at the golf course, and at the barbershop on Saturday morning.
Robbo #462471 June 19, 2025 2:10 am 0
Sportball is a key way the power-that-be keep the plebs from asking awkward questions. Most sport is BS.
A Bad Man #461966 June 16, 2025 1:23 pm 7
You know why God gave Sportsball men two arms? So they could hold their Modelo (‘ain’t drinkin’ none of that Byud Lite, no sir-ee’) while they jerk off at the sight of their sports heroes.
george 1 #461825 June 16, 2025 8:48 am 14
Apparently the Iranians tagged, for lack of a better term, the Dimona NPP. I presume to let the Israelis know they can hit it with something more substantial if they choose to.
The Wild Geese Howard #461832 June 16, 2025 8:58 am 12
The rumor that really needs confirmation is the strike that supposedly hit the oil refinery in Haifa. That facility supposedly provides 60% of Israel’s fuel needs. Maybe excess shrieking about dragging the US in will be a clue.
Natarnsco #461850 June 16, 2025 9:14 am 23
Yep. Shortly after that refinery was hit over 20 aerial tankers took off from bases all around the US at about the same time and headed east across the Atlantic. I doubt that was a coincidence.
Alzaebo #461953 June 16, 2025 12:49 pm 3
Holy effing Moly. Jeebus is a’comin’ for sure.
george 1 #461859 June 16, 2025 9:29 am 15
Yes. We are involved in the war already we are just trying to keep our involvement covert for the time being. The longer the war goes on the harder it will be to hide our involvement.
Tars Tarkas #461967 June 16, 2025 1:26 pm 13
I expected cucking and daily mentions of the black unemployment tier shit from Trump, I did not think he would turn into a warmonger. I voted for deportations, including farm “workers,” not another ME war. Netanyahu’s lunatic attack on Iran is not justifiable and if international law actually means anything, a war crime.
MysteriousOrca #461931 June 16, 2025 11:54 am 12
— My guess is that Netanyahu told Trump a eighteen months ago, “We’ll let you get elected if you give us everything that we want, otherwise, you’ll die in jail”.— I have never felt as negatively towards Trump as I do right now— My sense from what I’ve read is that MI6 had more to do with the Russian bomber drone strikes than Americans did— Israel seems to be taking serious and significant damage, but my guess is that Iran is taking it worse (I’m not aware of any Israeli leaders dead so far, for example). Shia capacity for suffering aside, I could see how Iran might want an end soon to all of this.— Many posters on Twitter have been saying Israel has been doing a majority of its damage with in-country sabotage teams (many of them non-Persian) using drones, ATGMs, car bombs, etc more than with jets. It looks like Iranian security services have been tracking those teams down. Hopefully China and Russia are helping Iranian MOIS use machine learning, AI, advanced surveillance, etc to track down and neutralize the sleeper cells (as well as quickly developing better practices for air defense, launcher safety, missile targeting, etc.)— Maybe it’s obvious, but it seems like Israel’s central goal is to turn Iran into another Lebanon, Iraq, Libya, and Syria – a failed state full of warring factions, with a weak central government incapable of power projection.
Alzaebo #462016 June 16, 2025 7:53 pm 2
No to the security services using AI – Palantir doesn’t need more customer experience – but yes of course to destabilizing the neighbors. Disrupting the competition’s ability to form a core, or a buffer, is at the very heart of small-state leveraging.
ray #461856 June 16, 2025 9:25 am 11
‘Trump posted about how negotiations were just a ruse to get the Iranians into a false sense of security, but he changed gears once it was clear the scheme failed’Mixing up tactics and the urge to brag on social media is unnecessary and unwise.It also is unwise to leave the domestic agenda — assuming there is one — for distractions on the other side of the planet. Foreign nations are not going to respect America until it crushes the globohomo and feminist forces, and allied internal enemies of Legacy Americans. And stops sucking from the China Teat and revitalizes its domestic manufacturing.Other countries see America as soft, feminine, and deluded. As a fat doe, limping.Foreign entities and their ruling principalities will not respect America until it deals with its internal enemies and insane agendas. First you clean your own house up. Whether the U.S. ever had the mandate of heaven is debatable, but it is for certain America doesn’t have it now. The world is noticing.Yay! USAID! and then . . . crickets . . .
rasqball #461873 June 16, 2025 9:50 am 6
…soft, feminine, and deluded….and armed to the teeth, and psychotic, and…
Robbo #462472 June 19, 2025 2:12 am 0
Don’t bring my mother-in-law into this!
Evil Sandmich #461882 June 16, 2025 10:09 am 8
More to be said about being on social media at all. Candidate Trump? Yeah, maybe. President Trump shouldn’t be trying to score troll points on the Internet.
whatever2020 #462024 June 16, 2025 9:58 pm 0
This is exactly it; excellent comment. Israel First Donald really exposed himself with this one, taking an interrogation spotlight, burning it around, and shining it right on himself. This level of clumsiness is shocking, even for Israel First Donald. It also shows how much he, underneath it all, actually cares about AINO and/or any of us who are properly living here, which is not at all, to an extent of exactly zero.
Dutchboy #461895 June 16, 2025 10:51 am 9
Trump enabled this situation from the get-go by loading his administration with Zionists. MAGA and MIGA are incompatible. Alcibiades was a genius, Trump not so much.
Jeffrey Zoar #461855 June 16, 2025 9:22 am 9
They think they can regime change Iran without putting boots on the ground. You’d think they’d have learned something from their efforts to regime change Russia without putting boots on the ground (at least not American ones), but evidently what they learned was that if at first you don’t succeed, try and try again. Maybe they have an Azerbaijani proxy army lined up, for all I know. They just had a practice run in Armenia.
Alzaebo #461963 June 16, 2025 1:18 pm 3
No doubt we’ll dangle the bait in front of the Kurds again, as well. Kurdistan is currently situated in the northern regions of Syria and Iraq, but Kurds are originally from northern Iran. Turkiye would love to get rid of them, and Armenia/Georgia might welcome the help. “Next year in Tabriz”, perhaps? Another- the Baluchi in the southeast are acting up again, they even have their own flag. Azerbaijani hold the north, Arabs have the southwest, Persians hold the center. Is Iran about to get partitioned up, the next Yugoslavia or Pakistan?
pyrrhus #461908 June 16, 2025 11:07 am 8
I agree with Col. MacGregor…Iran has already won, and of course Bibi has come running for help from Trump…https://x.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1934083238630154312Even heavy bunker busters will not reach Iranian nuclear facilities many hundreds of feet underneath mountains, so it’s checkmate for Israel unless it wants to go nuclear….in which case Russia or China will wipe it off the map…Iran is more than ten times the size of Israel, even more so in terms of military personnel, and it has hypersonic missiles which have made a laughingstock of Israel’s Dome….It’s not a fair fight, and never was..Only if Trump goes mad and commits American assets can WW3 begin…
The Wild Geese Howard #461826 June 16, 2025 8:50 am 8
The rumor on Iranian air defense is that AINO staged a cyber attack that was supposed to cripple Iranian AD for a week.Supposedly the Iranian techs had the AD back online in only 10 hours. Not surprising when one realizes these are a people who still have airworthy F-14s with zero manufacturer support.Judging by the sudden lack of strike footage from Tehran, it appears Our Greatest Ally may already be low on munitions. That is another reason to bet on the US jumping in, as is the imminent arrival of a second Nimitz carrier group from the western Pacific.
Jack Dodson #461890 June 16, 2025 10:31 am 7
The biggest tell for me were the breathless (and false) reports that the Iranian leaders had fled and then…silence. Now there is very little up-to-date information other than carrier groups lumbering from the Western Pacific to the Persian Gulf after a flood of generally positive information from the Israeli standpoint. If it weren’t for X we would know nothing about the direct hits on Tel Aviv over the last few days. This easily could become American’s Suez Crisis.
MysteriousOrca #461939 June 16, 2025 12:19 pm 4
“Not surprising when one realizes these are a people who still have airworthy F-14s with zero manufacturer support.”Iran graduates more people with engineering degrees each year than the US does “Judging by the sudden lack of strike footage from Tehran”??? I’m seeing a lot of bomb-explosion-y videos on Twitter than claim to have just happened from Tehran
The Infant Phenomenon #461957 June 16, 2025 12:56 pm 2
Where are you seeing those? I’d like to know–or get some lame idea at least–what is happening inside Iran, but my understanding is that the gov’t has asked Iranians not to post such stuff.
MysteriousOrca #461978 June 16, 2025 1:53 pm 1
On Twitter – @sentdefender and @angeloinchina , some from @thetimapping and @megatron_ronLot of it seems to be footage from Israeli observation drones
Robbo #462473 June 19, 2025 2:14 am 0
Ah, but how many gender studies and queer theory graduates do they turn out? That’s the real benchmark of a civilised nation.
Thomas Mcleod #461852 June 16, 2025 9:16 am 7
“They also got their air defense system back online and now Israel jets have to operate well outside of their range, which limits what Israel can attack inside Iran.” Outside of an obviously AI generated image, crashed F-35 with its afterburners hilariously still glowing, I haven’t seen any reliable evidence of this. The Iranians, of course, claim to have shot down 7 F-35s, but that seems more like, ghost of Kiev, wishful thinking. Does Israel have air superiority over Iran? I suspect so, but I’ll withhold judgment given that both sides of the media are completely unreliable.
Pam Hyde #461887 June 16, 2025 10:22 am 8
I heard one of the F35s was taken down by a grandmother who threw a jar of olives at it.
The Infant Phenomenon #461941 June 16, 2025 12:22 pm 4
“Does Israel have air superiority over Iran? I suspect so, but I’ll withhold judgment … .” Russia and China cannot afford to let the Israelis or anybody else have their way with Iran. Their own prestige and power are at stake. And they know full well that if Israel/USA prevail, they will be next.
MikeCLT #461875 June 16, 2025 9:52 am 6
Mr. Market is up today so they are betting on a positive outcome in the Middle East. I don’t know. This will either be a great triumph or an utter disaster for the US. Such a foolish risk for Trump.
Jeffrey Zoar #461889 June 16, 2025 10:30 am 5
The Tel Aviv Stock Exchange is also at all time highs. Rigged, rigged, rigged, rigged, rigged. Did I mention rigged?
Alzaebo #461970 June 16, 2025 1:29 pm 1
Stake a position in some oil commodity options, if you have any loose change.
thezman #461891 June 16, 2025 10:36 am 13
There is a trillion dollar bill at Trump’s feet right now. He does a deal with Iran in exchange for a truce and a new security architecture in the region. that would be a huge win for him.
Bueller Bueller B... #461893 June 16, 2025 10:43 am 7
So much winning. It’ll be yuge.
MikeCLT #461900 June 16, 2025 10:57 am 6
Will Iran do a deal with Trump after the sneak attack in the middle of negotiations? Would any other country?
Gespenst #461923 June 16, 2025 11:42 am 3
Would any other country? Russia already did not, several times.
Evil Sandmich #461955 June 16, 2025 12:52 pm 5
If it’s unilateral, and Trump says “we’re sick of Bibi’s antics and I need to look out for my own nation’s interests so sanctions are scrapped and relations are normalized” It’s also not going to happen.
The Infant Phenomenon #461943 June 16, 2025 12:27 pm 4
Bingo! The situation now prevailing can NOT be allowed to run to its logical conclusion–the loss of the Israeli attack dog. Nor do Russia and China any longer have the luxury of staying out of it. And Trump and his handlers can NOT allow a toe-to-toe confrontation with them. They have GOT to stop things SOON.
Mr. Invisible #461851 June 16, 2025 9:16 am 6
Imagine a younger Romney who rouses the nation to a new war, against India, through power of charisma and speech alone. Then he leave on ship to head the armies conquering India.But then come rumors that Mitt ran a Black Mass Satanist dinner in New York. Also, people awaken one day and find that someone defaced the Holocaust Museum and the Lincoln Memorial… rumors spread that it is Mitt Romney in preparation to overthrow the government. So he is recalled from his command to stand trial. Instead of returning, Mitt runs to Russia where he becomes a major advisor to Putin.Soon though, he finally has to leave in a great hurry when it is discovered he’s been banging Putin’s wife in secret. He runs to China where, again, he miraculously becomes a major political force and advisor, adopting Chinese customs and language with ease. After some time he leaves China and ends up living Afghanistan with the tribesmen as one of them, in one of their mud fortresses where he is finally found by American special forces and he goes out fighting, charging them repeatedly with machine gun in his glorious black-and-gold armor and Dune-look headset.Exactly such, and more was the life of the ancient Alcibiades from Athens. How inconceivable! Even as versatile and flashy a man as Trump is very far from this possibility in our time, though he at least makes such a type somehow believable… — fromBronze Age Mindset
Mike #461940 June 16, 2025 12:19 pm 4
I would watch that movie.
bob sykes #461950 June 16, 2025 12:41 pm 5
Iran will not attack any Arab state in the Gulf region, nor will it attack their energy infrastructure, and it will not close the Hormuz Strait to oil and gas shipments. The Gulf states are by and large friendly with Iran, and some are co-members of BRICS. Attacking their interests does not advance Iran’s interests, and would actually impair Iran’s interests..However, Iran might block US/NATO naval vessels from transiting the Strait, and it might target US bases in the Gulf region.Likewise, the Houthis, Iranian allies, will not close the Red Sea to Gulf state oil and gas shipments, for the same reason the Iranians won’t close the Strait. The Gulf states are mostly friendly (not SA or UAE).
Hemid #461946 June 16, 2025 12:30 pm 4
I’ve always thought that Trump isn’t in fact the commander in chief and doesn’t make any military (or proxy military) decisions. “America” does what it wants, and he flails to match whatever he thinks it’s doing, to appear to be in charge.He’s completely out of the loop. He finds out what’s happened on the news, which is full of bullshit and bluster, and changes his “orders” to fit that. Whennothingis in the news, he says the kinds of things we prefer, which are his actual positions. But then “we” do some evil shit, and he rushes after it.A possible explanation: Trump thinks that the long-threatened new civil war (mass murder of normal Americans) really kicks off if we find out that electing him didn’t reverse the coup—which I’ll remind us was a televised military siege of the capital. So he’ll take credit/blame foranythingto maintain the illusion.
Jeffrey Zoar #462001 June 16, 2025 4:46 pm 6
I have a very hard time believing either Trump or Biden has ever been in control of the nukes. Begging the question of who was the last president who did. JFK? Maybe not even him.
Alzaebo #461894 June 16, 2025 10:51 am 4
*stops reading*“Trump posted about how negotiations were just a ruse” oh, JFCwe are building trust again
Jeffrey Zoar #461926 June 16, 2025 11:45 am 4
I haven’t seen this tweet (or “truth”). Not signed up for either site. And searching for an archive of trump tweets is harder than it should be.
Vegetius #462008 June 16, 2025 6:37 pm 3
Trump is going full Khmer Rouge on Tehran, telling the Iranians to empty the city.Iran lost somewhere between half a million and a million people during its war with Iraq.How many people has it lost over the last 96 hours? Five hundred?Is the regime stronger now than it was in 1980, or weaker? Is Persian identity stronger now, or weaker? What about Shia Islam?None of us know the answer to any of these questions.What I do know is that all this was not worth a three-minute ritual humiliation of Cyril Rhamaposa and fiftysomething White South Africans being allowed to immigrate here.
Gunners #461986 June 16, 2025 2:49 pm 3
I was fooled by Witkoff. He’s like the rest after all.
The Infant Phenomenon #461916 June 16, 2025 11:23 am 2
“There is no reason to think he will take advantage of the opportunity. It is why the way to bet is on an attack this week.”Although the Democratic PArty is clearly going the way of the old Whig Party, if Trump is stupid enough or Zionist enough to attack Iran openly, the Dems will take control of the whole Congress next year, impeach Trump again, remove him from office, and throw him into prison–maybe even with members of his family. Clearly he has betrayed his voters–first in the Ukraine and now in the Middle East–so he need not look for any support from anybody anywhere if he is stupid enough to attack Iran openly.BUT … IF you are right that Lindsey Graham urges a cease-fire, Trump might be able to use that as an off-ramp to avoid TOTAL disaster. But I’ll believe that Graham favors a cease-fire only when I see it.And then there is Israel’s “Sampson Option,” which I believe they *will* use unless somebody less insane thanGraham and less stupid than Trump manages to put a stop to the current mess.God help us.
Bilejones #462030 June 17, 2025 3:57 am 1
When a Clown moves into a Palace, the Clown doesn’t become a Prince, the Palace becomes a Circus.
Jannie #462004 June 16, 2025 5:36 pm 1
We should never believe a word Trump utters. That being said, this strikes me more and more as a NATO-approved war to take out a key Russian ally. The wild card is whether or not Russia will actually get directly involved to assist an important partner. They didn’t help Assad or Armenia, much smaller fry, are they in a position to help Iran without kicking off WW3?
Whiskey #461981 June 16, 2025 2:07 pm 1
My prediction is that both Iran and Israel will hit each other really, really hard. But that Iran is more fragile and will face serious revolts on its ability to keep its IRGC payroll intact and enforcers out on the street. Iran will try and blockade the Straits of Hormuz like 1988, and like 1988 will see its navy and much of its oil / military platforms (same thing) destroyed, only at greater cost to the US Navy.Israel probably has greater cohesion, they’ve been attacked by Iran via Hamas on Oct 7 (Iran trained Hamas for this in Iran, which is why Israel missed it); and through the Houthis lobbing missiles at Israel and the last missile exchange.And lets be honest here, and not lie to ourselves. EVERYONE wants this fight. China and Russia want a lab to test out their missiles against the US Navy without risking American nukes. Iran wants this fight to maintain legitimacy against ever increasing internal revolt against their Sopranos type rule. [Capos get everything, Joe Average gets nothing]. Israel wants this to bring the Iranian attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah, and Yemen) to a pause though not an end. The Gulf Monarchies want Iran degraded and weakened. The US wants this to degrade the Iranians ability to threaten the Gulf Monarchies and the oil they pump.Iran is the weaker. It has to pay its secret police and show its “winning” to keep the regime alive. Even if Bibi falls the Israeli regime does not need secret police and enforcers to keep its regime in power. The “moral” part of Israeli legitimacy is “that we are the ones who fight instead of passively accepting our fate.” Fighting against those who repeatedly kill them is the Israeli moral precept for its regime and naturally encourages young Israeli men to support the regime (and Israeli women to oppose it). And given that American’s identity outside of Last Man consumerism is “we are the ones who fight” : Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, John Wayne, Charles Bronson, Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Sylvester Stallone (Rocky and Rambo), and even Ahnold did not gain fame and fortune by being Alan Alda. If you want to know why Average Americans like Israelis this is it. They fit into the mode of the Action Heroes they cheered on the screen from say, 1971 to 2019. [Before the Great Awokening deep sixed the Action Hero in favor of the Girl Boss].Israeli men who fight tend to rise in prestige, power, mating opportunities, and the like. Iranian men who do so do NOT get the same payout; as that is restricted to various family members of the Mullahs and IRGC senior people. This is the same issue the Democratic Party faces btw. So that dynamic is in play.
NoName #462028 June 16, 2025 11:25 pm 2
It’s fascinating to see how David Barnea has unleashed the “Whiskey” BullDog on the goyische skeptics. My impression is that Whiskey was serving in uniform for a number of months there [s/p October 7th], and that it was only relatively recently that Barnea pulled Whiskey out of active duty, and placedWhiskeyback into Psy-Ops, with a specialty in Demoralization.
Alzaebo #461902 June 16, 2025 10:59 am 1
What matters is what Russia thinks: Iran is not only their “fence”, their in-depth land defense of Russia’s southern border, but more importantly it is Russia’s main corridor from the Caspian Sea to the Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean and access to the markets of the Global South.Due to sanctions, Indians broker that Russian oil – and China needs it as well.Netty, I believe, is trying to regime change Iran so he can get a footprint on the Hormuz Strait, as well as a lock on the Red Sea and Gaza-Cyprus offshore gas. Israel’s economic power would stand in for the population power they lack: avirtualEretz Ysrael, rather than one defined by borders.We are seeing a balance-of-power act between 5 countries that are similar in size and population: Egypt, Turkey, Arabia, Iran, with the British/US Outpost as “fifth”. Dimona meant their conflicts had to go covert and proxy, due to MAD; the CIA-MI6 got involved because Gamel Nasser’s attempt at a pan-Arab Union had Soviet support.Putin has offered to process Iran’s nuclear material, keeping it at 20% enrichment for peaceful purposes within IAEA guidelines rather than the 60%, one step below weapons grade, that Iran jumped to.Iran’s mullahs didn’t have to spend their scarce resources on war, Israel didn’t have to destabilize her neighbors with neocon wars, both since 1979. If Israel “liberates” Iran and returns the Shah’s son to the Peacock Throne, I would welcome the Powers erasing their mistake. The Shah’s granddaughter has married a American Jew, so a stabilizing satrapy is in the works.p.s.- why don’t the neighbors want the Palestinians? Because then they’d be letting Israel throw its trash in their yard. They’d lose face to Israel, and are afraid the Pali’s will be used as a fifth column as well as a strain on resources. Bibi said his ethnic cleansing is only temporary, hinting at a right of return. LOL. Bibi claims Hamas has booby-trapped every building, so they need to level the buildings and move the population until they can rebuild.Actually, I can see that. Israel violated the old Ottoman landholder’s rights, called Mulk and Miri. (European farming methods didn’t work in the Levant- Arab farmers produced 87% of the crops for export, similar to our South.) If they can harvest the Palestinians as indentured labor- aka slaves- they might do it. It would be a repeat of what the Lords did in Ireland under the Corn Laws.
David Wright #461812 June 16, 2025 8:14 am 1
He is the American Alcibiades presiding over the final phase of the American empire. How the tone changes here at the blog over a few months. MAGA?
karl von hungus #461814 June 16, 2025 8:23 am 15
circumstances changed
thezman #461815 June 16, 2025 8:28 am 18
Weird thing to post, given that my tone on Trump has not changed in a decade.
Xman #461819 June 16, 2025 8:34 am 45
I have believed ever since 2016 that it is not possible to “make American great again,” and if it were, Trump would hardly be the person to do it. That being said I did vote for him three times. No matter how bad Trump is, he has the right enemies and remains preferable to Hillary or Kamala. A bull in a china shop can be a good thing if the china shop is corrupt and rotten to the core.
Arshad Ali #461841 June 16, 2025 9:06 am 12
Same here. Voted for him thrice. No-one else around.
rasqball #461863 June 16, 2025 9:37 am 3
Moi, aussi: Perot, Perot, Nader, Nader, McCain (OUCH! – but I had a BAD feeling about Obama..), Gary Johnson, Trump, Trump, Trump….
Steve W #461989 June 16, 2025 3:38 pm 10
Trump’s career in high politics thus far has (1) moved the Overton Window, (2) exposed the blob, (3) discredited the legacy media, and (4) driven millions of NPCs batshit insane. By my count that gives Trump more accomplishments than any other GOP president in my lifetime.
Steve W #461990 June 16, 2025 3:57 pm 4
We shouldn’t hang our heads because we voted repeatedly for this guy. I mean look at what has been on offer over the decades since Reagan… Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney, Yeb, Nikki Haley, Chris Chistie. From “our team”. And then contemplate, in a kind of awe, the loserporn the Dems have been subjecting us to in the same period: Dukakis, Clinton, Gore were bad enough, but then – Kerry, Soetero, the drunken murderess whose name I forget, Brandon, and finally, the piece de resistance of repulsiveness, Veep Throat.OK, so maybe we should have all gotten on board with Ted Cruz in 2016? DeSantis in 2024? It is to laugh. The Donald is and has been the only logical choice over these last nine years for those of us convinced that the system is the problem, and that it must be overturned. If sheer chaos is what is required, then Donald is and has been the only candidate “up for the job”. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, any more than a seven-year-old at the control panel of a nuclear reactor. And that’s exactly what we’ve all been rooting for, right?
Robbo #462474 June 19, 2025 2:18 am 0
But it all means zilch if he keeps on getting us into ever stupider wars.
Dante Green #462206 June 17, 2025 10:47 pm 0
the real problem is our failing to acknowledge the jewish influence on our government, and our cowardly failure in coping with it
Bob #462066 June 17, 2025 8:58 am 0
China is asshoe!
Rex Little #462019 June 16, 2025 8:28 pm 0
Based on his first term, I was so certain Trump would avoid getting us into a war that I actually voted for him this time, breaking a string of 13 votes for the Libertarian candidate for President. Oops!
The Greek #462010 June 16, 2025 7:00 pm 0
Just a theory I’ve been kicking around on Trump, curious to see what people here think. Is it possible he’s ceded foreign policy to the neocons in order to get their blessings/support on his domestic agenda? They are dug in throughout Washington, and a deal like that could have been promised to make sure it happens. It would explain somewhat why things look so disjointed from the outside.
Jeffrey Zoar #462012 June 16, 2025 7:08 pm 5
For people who are in the position to make those kinds of deals with him, or dictate those kinds of terms, what is their incentive to let him control anything at all?
The Greek #462017 June 16, 2025 8:19 pm 0
Well that’s easy, your supposition assumes Trump has no power at all. He clearly does hold power, as do the neocons. He has the power to not move on any of their foreign escapades, but then they have the power to dig their heels in on everything on the domestic front. In my scenario, the neocons get their main itch scratched, which is killing innocent people around the world, and Trump gets his domestic agenda passed, which is clearly his main concern. Listen, if I’m right, then we’ll see him continue the Ukraine project and start a war with the Iranians, while also getting his BBB legislation through. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely don’t want these foreign escapades, but if you told me I had to swallow continued support for Ukraine, but the border wall is built and millions of immigrants are deported out of our communities, I’ll take that deal.
Whiskey #461971 June 16, 2025 1:32 pm 0
I am more cautiously optimistic.The US can supply Ukraine or Israel, but not both. Already Zelensky is panicking, saying that Russia is the real threat to Israel or somesuch. The best path for peace is Russia solving Ukraine militarily — advancing to Lvov, deposing Zelensky, deporting the remnant Ukrainians to Poland (to destabilize that nation), and sponsoring/encouraging a series of Islamist coups NOW in the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden etc.Thus the no-trust “deal” would be the US and Russia divying up Europe just like before.Diverting US support from Ukraine to Israel is thus the better available paths to lesser risk of global nuclear war.Trump did not “blow it” because there was nothing to blow. Neither Xi nor Putin nor the Mullahs would ever deal with him as it is clear that the next President (Hakeem Jeffries likely) will simply tear up whatever deal was done and make their own deal. That is the Obama legacy.Yes like JFK with the Bay of Pigs, Trump is weak in that lower level CIA people cook up crazy schemes and run them with no notification, see also Truman, Ike, etc. Nothing new there.I think people are forgetting the nearly uninterrupted hostilities between the US and Iran dating back to 1979. The moral argument Iran’s Mullahs have to “why do you rule” is that they lead JIHAD against both the Great and Little Satans. Iran mined the Gulf in 1988, and blockaded the Straits of Hormuz. In response, Reagan sank the Iranian navy and destroyed several drilling/military platforms in Operation Preying Mantis. The US and Iran have been fighting each other since the Hostage Crisis, over mostly the Gulf not Israel. Though Iran remains committed to destroying Israel as a sign of its moral purity in contrast to the accomodationist Gulf Monarchies.As long as this remains the War of the Missiles, it is the least worst of the paths available to Trump. Iran’s regime has fought the Saudis for about 20 years now, hitting their oil fields from Yemen, fighting a dirty proxy war in Yemen with missiles hitting Saudi cities and the Saudis bombing Yemen. Iran’s regime really only HAS Jihad as the moral argument for their rule; and their population is now vastly more urban, educated, feminist, and anti-regime than 1988. If Iranians cannot get fuel, water, food, they can’t just survive as they could in mostly rural 1988 Iran. And against China and Russia, Iran has regional enemies Turkey and the Saudis and Gulf Monarchies absent Qatar. Iran has as its mission the goal of overthowring the Sunni monarchies which oppress the sizeable Shia population in their nations.Thus one should ask, “how are the Israelis getting to Iran with planes and missiles ?” Answer, the Gulf monarchies and Jordan are cooperating as Iran is a threat to them as well, and the Gulf countries provide a lot of money and other benefits to the Trump Admin. There was a big Gulf meeting with Trump and the monarchs a few months ago, no doubt this was discussed.Iran’s and Russia’s advisers in Yemen were able to shoot and scoot into the Yemeni mountains against the US Navy, Southern Iran is mostly flat and while they can scoot after shooting the US is likely to be able to hit them as well.There is however zero chance of eliminating Iran’s nuclear program. I would rate US ground troops in Iran at less than 1%. It is however a “laboratory” for the US, China, Russia etc. to see what an invasion of Taiwan would look like as far as how good are the Russian/Iranian/Chinese missiles and how good is the US Navy.Takeaway: the “War” is mostly driven by Iranian expansion threatening the Gulf Monarchies and the US as guarantor of their security for oil. The balance of power may have shifted to Iran given advances in missile technology but every tool has a counter.The good news is this means winding down Project Ukraine in favor of Project Iran. So there is that.
Anna #461883 June 16, 2025 10:12 am 0
This post reminded meofbeing in the USSR in 1967. For the first 4 daysof the 6Days Warthe Soviet press, radio and TV claimed that the armies of several Arab countries are on the way to great victory over Israel. WSJtoday:“Iran sends urgent messages seeking an end to hostilities and resumption of talks”. In this messages words like “Zionist entity” are not used anymore. “Israel” is used instead.
Anna #461959 June 16, 2025 12:58 pm -2
Natanyahu today: Not interested in ceasefire with Iran.
Bob #462081 June 17, 2025 9:26 am -2
The British Crown controls Iran as an on-command “sabre rattler.”This along with the same type of satrapy in China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Ukraine, South Africa, and even the “state of Israel,” previously known as “the British Mandate in Palestine.This is the hidden crypto-colonial British Empire of today. So called “forever wars” result from the crypto-administration of the colonial policy: regime change.Until the head of the snake is removed, that of the European royals and their specifically Roman Crown, it will continue.There will be no modicum of peace until all those people in succession of hereditary monarchy are absolutely exterminated and thus deprived of their perennial Throne of Nimrod, their Great Whore of Babylon.The filthy royals don’t want you knowing this fact. They own all the land (latifundia) in Dominion, and you are their livestock.
Jannie #462082 June 17, 2025 9:34 am -1
You’re giving the Royals WAAAAAYYYY too much credit. Have you looked at Harry and Meghan lately? These people can’t organize a p*ss-up in a brewery, let alone a “hidden crypto-colonial British Empire”.
Bob #462122 June 17, 2025 11:00 am 0
Cecil Rhodes called it the Anglo-American Empire. We fought a British King 250 years ago to not be serfs in a Crown Colony. They came back in control as a “Special Relationship.” And here we are with a King enthroned in Canada to our north. Prince Harry needs to be arrested as a Spy and put to death by the US Military. He personally arranged for at least one assassination attempt on President Trump.
Alzaebo #461934 June 16, 2025 12:02 pm -7
An attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities is a repeat of what Zelenskyy tried in Zaporozhiye:Bibi is trying to cause a Chernobyl,all while claiming Iran will nuke Gaza (west Jerusalem) to save Gaza.We may have a case of two religious zealots in competiton: Smotrich, when he’s not selling sex toys, trying to bring the Mosiach (not Jesus!), and Khameini, when he’s not schtupping little boys, trying to bring the Mahdi (also not Jesus.)Somebody noted the primary colors oft used in Muslim nations’ flags are Red, White, Black, and Green- the colors of the Four Horsemen, the first four Seals to be broken.
baffled goodwiller #461877 June 16, 2025 9:54 am -8
Off topic but been on my mind–Is religion actually just a form of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder)? If a Jew eats a bacon cheeseburger for lunch, will the sun really fall out of the sky? If a Muslim fails to kneel towards Mecca 5 times a day will his family be stoned and denied their 72 virgins? If a person willingly injects themselves and their family members with poison several times a year will it keep the demons at bay? To me, religious fervor is like having to flip the porch light on and off exactly 4 times before leaving the house otherwise something terrible will happen and only I can stop it from happening by exercising my belief. Most people just want to be liked and included and cannot stand up to being shunned or mocked. Only an outlier or an independent thinker will evaluate and question the data and say No I don’t think I will do that. Religion is that crutch people use to get to stay inside the herd. The road less traveled is also less comfortable but the view at the end is splendid. Think for yourself-think hard.
Josef #461918 June 16, 2025 11:28 am 10
So how are you finding high school?
rasqball #461930 June 16, 2025 11:53 am 5
touché…(College frosh, maybe?)
Anonymouseguy #461928 June 16, 2025 11:51 am 11
This isn’t reddit, are you lost?
Steve W #461997 June 16, 2025 4:19 pm 3
Or, if a 70-year-old leftist doesn’t make sure to put his “Harris/Walz” sticker on the back of his Tesla, does he really get his car torched?
Dinodoxy #461833 June 16, 2025 8:59 am -29
The response from Iran has been pathetically muted so far.There is a real possibility that a decapitating strike did – or will – work.Which would be great if it does. Iran’s regime is no friend of America, or American people. Or even of the Persian people. That regime did waste a lot of the country’s resources stirring up shit around the middle east. They are a regional caricature of the GAE. So good riddance if they are gone.The real threat here is hubris leading the GAE to believe it can occupy and nation build Iran. Hopefully Trump prevents that from happening, We’ll have to wait and see.
Casimir #462003 June 16, 2025 5:04 pm 6
Thank you zionist stenographer, I had no idea what to think about Iran until you graced us with your brilliant rhetoric.
Robbo #462480 June 19, 2025 5:38 am 1
I invited you to to go Tel Aviv and Haifa and ask residents there how the “pathetically muted” situation is going for them.


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