The Story Of Hollywood

If you make any effort to consume popular films and television shows, you will notice that much of the content is now locked away on streaming services. You will also notice that many films go straight to a streaming service, or they have a short run in theaters then get sent to a service. Everyone in the film business now has a streaming service and they need content. Like a great, gaping maw that must be fed, the services are sucking up everything they can find.

The funny thing about this shift is that the services are turning out to be a massive money loser for the industry. On the one hand, streaming robs from the theaters, especially small local theaters, by removing cheap content they would use to attract daytime audiences in the summer.  On the other hand, the public has not embraced the streaming service concept as expected. Every service, except Netflix, is a money loser at the moment and none of those are close to getting in the black.

The prime example of the streaming problem is Disney Plus, which loses money every month despite having the massive Disney catalogue. It has the most subscribers and it does generate a lot of monthly revenue, but it also generates massive amounts of expense that swallows up that cash. Much of this is due to the many flops Disney has produced recently, but the concept seems to be the problem. That and the costs make pirating films much more attractive.

The streaming story is a good example of how culture is too complicated to model with a green visor and excel spreadsheet. The bean counters just assumed streaming would follow the model of the rental market, which followed the pattern they saw in the secondary theater market. Low budget films, mediocre films and even terrible films made additional money in the secondary theater market. When take-home rentals came along, these films often got a second life in this market.

It has not worked that way with streaming. A film like the live action Snow White, which was torn apart by internet critics, was a massive flop at the theaters, but then had no life in the streaming market. In the old days, it would get rentals from people curious about it or for get-togethers with friends to have a good time laughing at a bad film. That is not the dynamic with streaming. People will watch nothing rather than sit down to watch a bad movie or something unknown to them.

What streaming failed to account for is the social aspect of films. In the old days, going to the theater for many people was like going to church. It was a thing you did every weekend, not because of the content but because of the social aspect. The theater was where men took their dates and the choice of film or how they selected the film to see was part of the courtship. Friends went to the theater, even if the films on offer were unknown or not good, because it was part of the social event.

Today, the theater is, at best, a sterile place to just see a film. In most cases, it means wading through diversity and tolerating people screaming at the screen, or shooting at it, in order to see a film that will be streaming in a few weeks. The theater is also an expensive proposition now. While this still works for big blockbuster films with good reviews, it is a deal killer for everything else. The theater is no longer a community experience, but a transactional one.

A similar dynamic held the rental market together. People in the suburbs stopped at the rental place to shop for videos. Usually, it was with friends or family, as it would be part of the social experience. Young people with little money could rent some bad films, buy a pizza, and make an evening of it. At the rental place people often talked about the films, which could result in a low-budget film becoming a hit in the rental market as word of mouth boosted its appeal.

That social aspect is gone with streaming. It is a solitary thing for many people because of the atomization of society. No one deliberately watches a bad film on their own because the best way to enjoy that content is with friends. Mystery Science Theater 3000 became a hit because everyone could relate to it. At the same time, people are less likely to try something unknown because why waste your leisure time on a film that you have never heard of, that might be terrible?

Of course, the dynamics of the American film market is why the studios now look to foreign markets for profit. This means more films high on big flashy effects and low on sensible dialogue and plot. They went all in comic book films at the same time they went all in on streaming for the same reason. The flashy stuff on screen works for non-English speakers abroad, so maybe it will work on them at home. Maybe it will also rope in the valuable white audience as well

The reason Hollywood is in trouble, and they are in serious trouble, is they detached themselves from the social aspects of their industry. No other country was able to produce a movie industry like America, because America was a unique place that needed a popular culture to hold it together. In the 20th century, film, television and sports were what everyone had in common. Hollywood was part of the national social capital that defined “American” for people.

As we see everywhere, Hollywood looked at the social capital and wondered how they could turn it into quick cash. They were not alone and maybe not the driving force behind this phenomenon. Mass migration played a role. The desire to harvest American social capital was also behind mass migration. Hollywood, however, needs a shared culture to work and now that the national social capital has been just about consumed, Hollywood is just another commodity.

Wherever the current crisis takes us, it is likely that the story of Hollywood tracks the story of the crisis. An industry that was integral to the people who made it possible is suffering the same fate as the culture it helped destroy. You cannot have a common culture containing people from every part of the globe. At best, it is a somewhat peaceful marketplace where people retreat into their private culture to get away from the cacophony of alien voices in the public square.

Hollywood was always a product of the public square. For it to be Hollywood and not just a film production center, it needed that vibrant American public square created by the people who created America. The people who made Hollywood could not have done it anywhere else. Now that the public square is collapsing and the people who made it are marginalized, Hollywood is dying. The oxpecker finally found a way to kill the host and as the host dies, it dies with it.


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FNC1A1 #461336 June 12, 2025 7:48 am 71
Hollywood deserves to die
David Wright #461337 June 12, 2025 7:57 am 15
Jack Warner tried to diddle Shirley Temple. The reckoning is here!
karl von hungus #461339 June 12, 2025 8:05 am -16
which Shirley Temple? The adult midget in the movies, or the child version used for promotions?
Brandon Johnsons Hair #461343 June 12, 2025 8:24 am 6
The cocktail?
Marko #461357 June 12, 2025 8:49 am 17
The grossest violation was when Gwyneth Palthrow let Harvey Weinstein schtup her in exchange for an Oscar inShakespeare in Love.
Jeffrey Zoar #461375 June 12, 2025 9:20 am 18
That’s a pretty good deal for her tbh. Endure for a few minutes, in exchange for a lifetime of riches and fame. You’d think she could have been more grateful. Something about Briffault’s Law I guess.
Templar #461434 June 12, 2025 10:24 am 19
You’d think she could have been more grateful. “I’ll never have to suck another Jewish cock again!” Marilyn Monroe, upon renegotiating her contract with 20th Century Fox, 1955.
fakeemail #461453 June 12, 2025 11:18 am 6
Norma Jean had a lot of Jewish connections including her husband and her mind-bending shrink, the latter who probably killed her. Then she had whatever dealing with the Kennedys. . .
Johnny Ducati #461380 June 12, 2025 9:23 am 4
I tried to watch that movie several times, but I always fell asleep before I finished it.
pyrrhus #461460 June 12, 2025 11:27 am 1
We thought it was pretty good, due to a screenplay by the great Tom Stoppard, who was uncredited by Weinstein…
TempoNick #461391 June 12, 2025 9:32 am 12
But look who her parents are: Blythe Danner and (((Bruce Paltroff))). I’m sure they did a thing or two to get to where they are or two initiate others in the club.
Jeffrey Zoar #461401 June 12, 2025 9:49 am 22
It’s instructive that having successful hollywood parents merely gets your foot in the door to bang the hebrew
Whiskey #461512 June 12, 2025 2:24 pm -3
Bruce Dern comes from money and is about is WASPish as you can get. He plays everyman, but his grandfather was a Governor of Utah and Secretary of War. His father ran a utility company and was a distinguished attorney. His mother was Scottish and Dern was related through her to poet Archibald McLeish. Blythe Danner is of English/Irish and Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry.
3g4me #461547 June 12, 2025 7:31 pm 3
Bruce Dern may not be Jewish, but Bruce Paltrow was most definitely 100%. Go away.
Rented mule #461562 June 12, 2025 9:52 pm 2
That broad is ultra skankSells candles sented like her vag.
Dutchboy #461455 June 12, 2025 11:20 am 6
I believe that was the MGM honchos, not Warner.
Barnard #461344 June 12, 2025 8:24 am 48
Hollywood and public education have been the two biggest drivers in our decline by far. They both need to go, at least in their current form. Maybe it is just me, but there seems to be a real decline in the interest of celebrity culture also. 15-20 years ago, normies followed the opinions of the carnies closely and they had some influence. Now it seems as though no one cares what they think and when they do wade into politics they are met with scorn.
Citizen of a Silly Country #461349 June 12, 2025 8:34 am 37
Public schools are on the ropes. Between insane school boards and flooding them with migrants, we’re not far from a huge migration to private schools. The only thing stopping it is cost, but parents will do just about anything to protect their kids.
Barnard #461355 June 12, 2025 8:47 am 47
Public school enrollment is on the decline in most states. The reasons are a combination of declining birth rates and families doing everything they can to get out of them whether private or home schooling. This is why the insane NEA President was ranting about immigration at the LA Riots. They desperately need immigrant kids in public schools to keep the money flowing to them. If we can drive enrollment low enough, the system can be scrapped and overhauled.
Grant #461363 June 12, 2025 9:02 am 35
Declining enrollment has multiple blessings. One of the only ways to get rid of a tenured public school teacher (outside of them doing something illegal) is to demonstrate declining enrollment and thus less of a need for teachers. The shrieking harridans are all on the chopping block fighting for their jobs.
ray #461395 June 12, 2025 9:40 am 28
The NEA and AFT must be broken. They are core-leftist organizations hostile to masculinity, whiteness, and Christianity. They are enemies and should be treated as such. They do not teach, they indoctrinate with their demonic ideo-politics. They cannot be reformed.
Johnny Ducati #461396 June 12, 2025 9:42 am 30
Invader’s kids also help drive grades down, so more funds can go to ESG and other remedial programs for the nons. No public school should have any nons, with the exception of a few foreign exchange students.Make America White Again.
3g4me #461368 June 12, 2025 9:10 am 40
Maryland has been putting condom machines in elementary schools. And taxing local fossil-fuel energy providers. Now they are predicting rolling blackouts. I hope every jogger, mestizo, immigrant, bureaucrat, and small hat in that benighted state dies in the dark.
Jack Dodson #461387 June 12, 2025 9:30 am 25
Reliable electricity likely will become a thing of the past soon enough for vast swathes of the United States.
TempoNick #461394 June 12, 2025 9:40 am 19
There are tampon machines in the men’s restroom of the two swanky new library branches near me. We’ve always had freaks, but never so many in decision making roles.
3g4me #461407 June 12, 2025 9:58 am 30
Most librarians are female leftist freaks and shrews. Most libraries have become slight variants of computer centers; they are abominations. Most people cannot think, let alone read. Between emojis and ebonic/electronic abbreviations, we’ve regressed to pictographs. Imma hurl.
TempoNick #461421 June 12, 2025 10:10 am 9
One of the two near me is okay, but it’s a little bit of a farther drive. The one closest to me is like a daycare center for all the black kids in the area apartments. Not too many freaks on this side of town, but more and more diversity creeping its way in.
Alzaebo #461483 June 12, 2025 12:12 pm 2
One or two isn’t okay, they might be lonely. We should chain-migrate the rest of their welfare generations there into public housing so they’ll have a comforting environment. I mean, going back to Atlanta is like going back to the old country, amirite? They’re refugees!
TempoNick #461490 June 12, 2025 12:42 pm -3
As I said yesterday. If you are picky about who you let in up front, you would typically want their family members as well. Win-win.
Alzaebo #461481 June 12, 2025 12:08 pm 2
Heard on LA radio (by a black host on a Jewish station, KFI):“Let the emojis guide us…”
Alzaebo #461496 June 12, 2025 1:13 pm 0
late edit: woops, sorry, it was “Let the emojis be our guide…” (That sounds better as well.)
ray #461442 June 12, 2025 10:51 am 22
Psychological war by the empowered prog hags that run libraries in New Amerika. For the same reason, the grrls schedule Drag Queen Story Hour for ‘their’ libraries. It says to the nation’s men, ‘You are so cucked and impotent, we will rub these freaks in your face and in the faces of your children. If you object our police will arrest you and our courts will convict you. County jail is right around the corner.’
3g4me #461485 June 12, 2025 12:16 pm 17
Just learned that the Saturday “No Kings” protest being held 30 miles away is being organized/sponsored by a local “progressive women’s group.” If I didn’t have other plans (and wouldn’t be sickened/infuriated by all the attendees) I’d go take pictures of everyone who showed up. It would be handy to have for the future. Men build civilization. Women destroy it.
TempoNick #461498 June 12, 2025 1:20 pm 2
Christy Walton is one of the people bankrolling this endeavor. https://www.wsj.com/politics/a-walmart-heiress-breaks-ranks-and-joins-the-anti-trump-movement-b4395841 https://images.wsj.net/im-89705801?width=700&height=467 :large
ray #461538 June 12, 2025 5:21 pm 3
Great find. I just wrote about the Walton monsters. Here is the queen bee. She and her organizations seek the destruction of family, fatherhood, and masculinity itself. Want to know why your country is always burning, always in crises, full of hostile invaders? Look upon your ruler and shudder. U.S. men better sack up and oppose these satanic forces, or they will overwhelm you.
TempoNick #461550 June 12, 2025 8:09 pm 3
If you read her bio, she grew up in Jackson, Wyoming. One thing I’ve noticed is that it’s easy to be “Wyoming nice” when you don’t have to experience all the “charms” of big city living on a regular basis.
ray #461537 June 12, 2025 5:17 pm 1
I am not just guessing about female nature.
ray #461546 June 12, 2025 7:07 pm 2
Very informative and useful, thank you. It is lovely after a battle ‘outside’ to retreat to your mountain, no? Certainly I have, just as many times as I could manage in my life. About all I miss about America is the Western mountain ranges. Easier to com with God when you’re holed up in the tall pine and the great doug fir, got a creek nearby. Won’t get any closer to heaven in this world.
Tired Citizen #461553 June 12, 2025 8:21 pm 0
I prefer wood chipper feet first
pyrrhus #461461 June 12, 2025 11:30 am 1
Private schools already dominate for parents who have money…but also, the wealthy areas generally demand much better schools, though they too have had problems with woke teachers and school boards…
Chris #461493 June 12, 2025 12:55 pm 7
Quite right. Friends of mine had their daughter in a small, private school in CT (Wooster School) a few years ago and it was a great fit. A year and a half later, new principal who brought her daughter along. The principal was militant woke and her freak of a daughter – along with her friends – patrolled the school like the gestapo. Anything they overheard that they didn’t like, they ran right to the principal and ratted the other kids out. After being told by the principal that if they didn’t like it, tough shit, my friends pulled their daughter out and put her in another school.
Rented mule #461563 June 12, 2025 9:59 pm 0
I sent all four of my kids to.private school, on a mechanics pay. It was worth every penny. They are all doing better than I ever did. But they did get their moms brains.
Brandon Johnsons Hair #461351 June 12, 2025 8:42 am 25
The hypocracy turns off too many folks. Covid shots for thee but not for me. Private jets to climate conferences. Open borders but not for gated communities. The veneer pealed back to expose the lies. The interwebz to communicate the information. Processes accelerating events and they just can’t keep up anymore, they’re losing their grasp.
TempoNick #461392 June 12, 2025 9:37 am 19
Part of the reason is that they could take a real life carney like Cary Grant (he was a circus acrobat, wasn’t he?), put him through finishing school to teach him some social graces and he becomes larger than life as the lovable rogue with high class tastes he played in most movies. Now they grab any low life out of the gutter without bothering with the finishing school part. Johnny Depp could easily still be back in the hollers of Kentucky being your local dope dealer. No class at all.
Templar #461436 June 12, 2025 10:35 am 6
(he was a circus acrobat, wasn’t he?) Acrobat, stilt-walker, occasional comedian…
Alzaebo #461486 June 12, 2025 12:25 pm 12
I stood in line at the grocery store next to a small fellow- he looked about 9- with tiny diamond stud earrings. This was such an odd thing to see in a 1970s one-stoplight little Nevada town I was taken aback, so I chatted him up a bit. Turns out his acrobat family was traveling through as part of the circus. He was out, just looking around. What struck me, though, was his air of serene confidence and capable competence. Pure Alpha. It was the same kind of cool magnetism that Cary Grant exuded.
mmack #461403 June 12, 2025 9:49 am 5
Eh, it’s been done: An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burnhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118577/ Fittingly, it was a bomb. 💣
My Comment #461353 June 12, 2025 8:43 am 53
Hollywood’s problems can be summed up by the movie the Joker and its sequel. The Joker was a huge hit, raking in over a billion dollars. However, it appealed to men whom Hollywood hates and for reasons that Hollywood finds repulsive. So they created a shitlib sequel that tanked. Most of Hollywood, especially the foreign tribe who runs it and white women, would rather lose money than create products for people they hate.
Mycale #461358 June 12, 2025 8:50 am 39
The Saturday person who directed Joker seems to have gotten the message from his handlers that the wrong people liked Joker and he needed to fix it. If I recall, he even said as much about the audience in interviews leading up to the release of Joker 2. It is insane how much these people hate us, Joker 2 probably lost hundreds of millions of dollars but it’s worth it to rub our face in it.
TempoNick #461399 June 12, 2025 9:47 am 27
“Saturday person.” Lol. I like that one almost as much as I like “small hats.” Good one. As Z said, there was never any truly widespread anti-Semitism in this country. But the small hats are going to change that. That’s what you get for shoving diversity down our throats.
Templar #461437 June 12, 2025 10:37 am 19
As Z said, there was never any truly widespread anti-Semitism in this country. But the small hats are going to change that. Gotta love self-fulfilling prophecies.
ray #461402 June 12, 2025 9:49 am 29
They are willing to go broke if it means spiting us. NormieCons cannot grasp this. They’re willing to destroy the nation if it means we suffer with it. That is a mentality that cannot be corrected. Only one measure suffices for a hatred and resentment that runs so deep.
Mr. Invisible #461440 June 12, 2025 10:45 am 19
Conservatives have been banking on “they’ll go out of business!” for the past 40 years when it comes to culture and education. This is due to their inability to model other minds. They project their own tastes and mindset on the American population as a whole, and assume that because they would not produce something that would “lose money” (they don’t understand how a Hollywood film “loses money”), then eventually, others will follow suit.The market will punish them,those basket-weaving majors won’t get jobs, they said while shaving each morning. It cannot be corrected; it only ends when a generational style of thinking dies out with its thinkers (ahem).
Jack Dodson #461443 June 12, 2025 10:51 am 27
That goes to Z’s post on materialism earlier this week. Conservatives are mostly retarded and cannot wrap their head around the fact that not everything can be reduced to money and markets.
Alzaebo #461488 June 12, 2025 12:37 pm 12
But money and markets are colorblind, you see, so that’s the only fair metric we should use.
Jack Dodson #461516 June 12, 2025 2:45 pm 3
I suspect most conservatards would find that a fine argument.
The Wild Geese Howard #461555 June 12, 2025 8:23 pm 2
I’d argue that the real conservative failure was the failure to realize that the US university system is like a communist-controlled flock of tens of millions of golden geese that poop out golden eggs on a daily basis. Why would the commies ever worry about money when they have a system like that under their complete control?
My Comment #461472 June 12, 2025 11:40 am 7
Trump is saying that Democrats’ incompetence caused the LA riots. Nonsense. That was all by design
Alzaebo #461489 June 12, 2025 12:40 pm 7
It’s a postage stamp sized area that needs redevelopment. As Whiskey pointed out yesterday, Karen Bass of the Cuban Venceremos Brigades is drooling at the prospect of “enterprise zone” redevelopment funds. (She’s also loving the camera, as well.) Me, I’m with Jimmy Dore on this. It’s manufacturing consent for the rollout of Palantir Juden technocracy, as Musk has synchronized the DC database. At least we’ll get our Hitler!JD Hamel Bowman Vance- on 2nd thought, that’sexactlywhat White People need: legitimate authority and organization,we’ll take it back from Them when he’s gone.
Brandon Laskow #461561 June 12, 2025 9:18 pm 2
It’s the same organizations and the same financing and deep state connections as Occupy, BLM, Antifa, St. George of the faux $20, Palestine, and now anti-ICE, just the newest sequel of that same old song and dance. And everything anti-Trump of course, and the climate nuts. It’s all for the revolution, whatever the cause happens to be.
My Comment #461340 June 12, 2025 8:17 am 43
“Hollywood looked at the social capital and wondered how they could turn it into quick cash”That is being generous. Hollywood is run by an alien tribe that felt it was time to show how much they hated White people and normal life. That was more important than making money and to a large degree still is. The studios are filled with people who hate their viewers.Maybe that will change as the Chinese gain more control (because making money rules with Chinese) but no one knows.I mainly read but, as a break, watch some streaming because I can cherry pick from around the world works that aren’t woke. When it comes to American ones that means movies and TV from over 10 years ago.But to Z’s point about the social square. If I went bowling it would be alone or with my family. You can no longer avoid political talk which is usually clueless and few people can tolerate the types of things we discuss here.
Mr. House #461406 June 12, 2025 9:58 am 6
For me its as simple as i’m not going to pay for something that goes out of its way to offend me. When are they going to mandate we must have at least one streaming service is my question……… for the jorbsssssssssssssssssss
Mr. House #461478 June 12, 2025 11:58 am 3
On that line of thought, how do i stop paying for government?
CorkyAgain #461520 June 12, 2025 3:15 pm 4
Seriously? Get out of debt, stay out of debt, lower your spending to the point where your income doesn’t need to exceed the standard deduction. It’s not the luxurious, faux-rich lifestyle everyone seems to want to have nowadays, nor is it easy, but it works if your goal is to stop paying for “government”. Welfare bums and the “homeless” could be said to be working the same angle, but as government dependents they’re not doing anything to further the cause of reducing “government”, which I presume is one of your unspoken goals.
Mr. House #461528 June 12, 2025 3:57 pm 1
I agree, but i’m not sure how you got that out of my comment. I live way below my means my man. suppose i should have added /s after my last comment.
CorkyAgain #461534 June 12, 2025 4:31 pm 0
That’s why I prefaced my reply with “Seriously?”
Oldster #461531 June 12, 2025 4:09 pm 7
Sitting down with the family to watch Twisters on Amazon, trailer looked good, and we loved H_ngm_n from Top Gun, who stars in this picture. Barely one minute in white female storm chaser with a black boyfriend. Turned it off and my kids knew why and agreed.
3g4me #461544 June 12, 2025 6:32 pm 2
I find that now with every book I read regardless of genre (western, fantasy, whodunit, historical fiction). And every time I curse and throw down the kindle, my husband encourages me to read one of his nonfiction books – but that’s exactly what I’m trying to escape from (since I can’trewrite it).
Tars Tarkas #461567 June 13, 2025 12:03 am 1
Gutenberg is your friend. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of books. Archive has all of the pulps scanned too. I just read 2 stories from them, When Worlds Collide and After Worlds Collide, though they are sci-fi, which is more my thing. But I’m pretty sure there are pulps that specialize in who done it and Westerns. If you go back far enough, no woke, no race mixing, no superwomen and all of the other SJW BS.I read a story by Jules Verne (years ago) called “Off on a Comet” and it is about the most unwoke mainstream fiction I’ve ever read. The plot is partially driven by a duplicitous Jewish merchant who has his scale rigged to give a higher weight and never stops whining, especially when it comes to his money. It’s hilarious. The usual suspects tried organizing against Verne and the book to keep it off the shelves. But it was the 19th century, so there was little they could do about it.
TempoNick #461554 June 12, 2025 8:22 pm 1
Speaking of which, I was inside Sheetz in what is now kind of a trashy part of town. In the 10 minutes I was there, three black-white couples. Of course, the female was white. Fortunately, they were middle-aged so they aren’t going to be pooping out any halfrican kids, but what the hell is wrong with white women these days?
TempoNick #461552 June 12, 2025 8:19 pm 0
I’m waiting for the internet tax they are going to tack on as a gift to Hollywood. You know, like those TV station fees they charge on your cable bill for TV stations you can get for free over the air
rasqball #461444 June 12, 2025 11:03 am 6
Might I suggest the great catalog of feature films hosted onhttp://www.archive.org?
Dutchboy #461459 June 12, 2025 11:24 am 4
Some of our local theaters feature classic films occasionally. It’s nice to see them on the big screen. Next up for us is Sunset Boulevard.
My Comment #461473 June 12, 2025 11:43 am 2
There are also some streaming sites that don’t charge. Pirate sites. Given the streaming sites hate us as much as Hollywood that is an option.
TempoNick #461500 June 12, 2025 1:25 pm 0
I used to use Popcorn Time a lot, but there is so little new content I’m interested in, I haven’t wasted my time with it lately.
TempoNick #461551 June 12, 2025 8:17 pm 0
Being ahead of the curve on this stuff is a great feeling though.
usNthem #461354 June 12, 2025 8:43 am 40
The social aspects of just about everything have been wrecked by “diversity”. I simply don’t want to go any place (at least willingly) where I have to be around or deal with it. When I was growing up, it was a novelty. These days, you have to work hard just to minimize it.
3g4me #461376 June 12, 2025 9:20 am 46
Move to vanishing rural White America. I go to town once a week. In a bad week, I may see one black or mestizo (albeit never in a position of authority or even service). In a normal week I see and deal with nothing but White heritage Americans. Friendly, courteous, helpful. I actually smile at strangers now, wait patiently if there’s a line, and feel blessed to live here.
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #461509 June 12, 2025 2:02 pm 2
Our nearby town in the next valley is the same way. When the foreigners from Atlanta show up to gawk and take pictures at the waterfalls and the mountain vistas, they’re treated coolly at best and with disdain at worst.
NIdahoOrthodox #461522 June 12, 2025 3:30 pm 3
Here in North Idaho there is very little “diversity.”
Gunners #461532 June 12, 2025 4:15 pm 0
Without giving too much away, may I ask where this is approximately?
3g4me #461545 June 12, 2025 6:35 pm 4
Ozarks. In the middle of the woods, fifteen miles from a tiny town of less than 2000 people, 45 minutes to the nearest Walmart (hate it but don’t have many options), more than 100 miles from any interstate.
Johnny Ducati #461418 June 12, 2025 10:07 am 23
We go to the river or go hiking. Not going to see much Diversity out in nature.
Pozymandias #461499 June 12, 2025 1:24 pm 8
They keep trying to convince us otherwise. Just this morning I saw a tourism ad for the state of Michigan. It showed a black guy in a kayak out on some lake with a laptop and desk lamp mounted on the front of thing. The people that made that one were probably having a bit of fun with their boss’ requirements – “Let’s have an outdoorsy scene with some DIEversity”. This country is a parody of itself.
Brandon Johnsons Hair #461342 June 12, 2025 8:22 am 39
A small-hatted acquaintance has spent hundreds of thousands subsidizing a daughter in NYC. She is a talent agent with a major player and doesn’t earn enough income to support herself. I’ve shared with him evidence that AI will destroy the role of a talent agent with all non-stage performances. The daughter is fixated on continuing to play talent agent no matter her reality. (((They))) poison their own wells.
3g4me #461370 June 12, 2025 9:14 am 35
May she never procreate.
Brandon Johnsons Hair #461409 June 12, 2025 9:59 am 20
I believe she likes other girls. Amen. They’re truly myopic with no self-awareness. The problem is they burrow into their host and take it down with them. Their whole modus operandi could be change and they assimilate but the easy short term gains are too tempting and they go full schizo on us. It’s a wonder they persist. I suppose something else would replace them.
Tars Tarkas #461446 June 12, 2025 11:10 am 12
Yes, Indians. They and we have no chance against the Indians unless we send them home where they belong.
TempoNick #461449 June 12, 2025 11:12 am 6
Indians (dot)
rasqball #461450 June 12, 2025 11:13 am 0
https://www.jdate.com/ She will – mazel tov!
Citizen of a Silly Country #461346 June 12, 2025 8:31 am 36
The retreat to our private cultures is America’s future – at best. The great separation will continue, whether it be people physically moving to areas more in tune with their race and culture or people joining clubs, schools, churches and other organizations in their area to be around people like themselves. The public square will be for negotiations among the various tribes. Naturally, this will continue to erode our infrastructure and government. Nothing public will be seen as “ours,” so why maintain it.
Mycale #461400 June 12, 2025 9:47 am 16
The monoculture is absolutely dead which is bad for the people who controlled it. I would say the only thing that maintains cultural dominance is some parts of sportsball, which is probably why there has been so much focus on it in terms of social engineering the past 10 years. Watch ESPN and if you didn’t know better you would think it is 2015 with the way they talk about things. Commentators have noted that while corporate America has largely retreated from “pride month”, all the sports leagues and teams are prominently displaying the rainbowed version of their logo.But there are signs things are beginning to fray as it did with broader culture.
c matt #461430 June 12, 2025 10:19 am 6
I’ve been anticipating a “spoke and hub” society for a while. Major metro areas acting as the hub for work/commerce, and ethnic enclaves in the ‘burbs surrounding it. Not ideal, but I think workable for the near future.
Alzaebo #461503 June 12, 2025 1:28 pm 0
What c matt says has precedent: when I stepped foot in my first East Coast city, Boston, you could see a stark difference between the neighborhoods. Democrat Party-enforced segregation law had created stark ethnic territories, divided by invisible markers as thin as one small street. Walking from block to block, I passed through gingered Irish speaking brogue, swarthy Mediterraneans chatting in Italian, Caribbean darkies calling in Creole, Latinos in rapid-fire Spanish. They lived and had their Tinker’s Streets in spokes, while mixing only in communal hubs.
Templar #461439 June 12, 2025 10:41 am 11
But there are signs things are beginning to fray as it did with broader culture. I think the NHL backed off of the rainbows after all of the Russian hockey players in North America refused to participate.
TempoNick #461556 June 12, 2025 8:27 pm 4
What child of the ’80s would ever dream that one day we would look up to Russians as our saviors, at least in some respects.
Templar #461565 June 12, 2025 11:45 pm 2
I always liked Ivan Drago.
Jack Dodson #461441 June 12, 2025 10:46 am 6
It is America’s present. The self-sorting is rendering the concept of states and regions somewhat obsolete. Sure, political jurisdictions can make laws and immiserate, but increasingly they cannot enforce their edicts. Whites are about the only group that obeys law now as it is, and that’s going away. Someone has suggested that Trump give pre-emptive pardons to people who refuse to pay income taxes unless illegal aliens are deported. Clever, but we are on the verge of such a thing being unnecessary–people will stop paying soon enough. Expect a different mode of extraction, and that also will have a limited run.I doubt the HOA model as a form of local government will be all that great, either, but that’s the current trajectory. And you are right: there is no incentive to maintain infrastructure of any nature, including school and judicial systems, for aliens. Force works now to extract wealth but it is becoming increasingly tenuous. The Open Society is a nightmare but it may prove self-correcting without having to endure the Yugoslavia misfortune.
Luthers Turd #461447 June 12, 2025 11:10 am -7
We can only pray this is the csse. Luther’s Turd
Alzaebo #461504 June 12, 2025 1:36 pm 6
(“Luther’s Turd” is obnoxious enough, kindly do us the favor – a signoff reminds us of a certain pestiferous bot. That’s what the downvotes are saying, amigo.)
ray #461348 June 12, 2025 8:33 am 31
The mandates of modern Amerika — race pandering, explicit sex everywhere, and the real killer, feminism and its $MeToo totalitarianism — doomed Hollywood. It insists on making war on the people who built it, white men (you built nothing, Obozo).Mary Sue Empowered kicks the white man’s ass. Masculine, white heroes are degraded before being transformed into character containers pleasing to the woke-fem politburo: females who are instantly perfect and need undergo neither training nor struggle, of-coloreds, and homos.Hollywood had everything, threw it away to lecture and humiliate its betters. Hollywood chose to be my enemy, just like New Amerika. Tra la la baby. May it die a gruesome death.
george 1 #461365 June 12, 2025 9:05 am 32
Take the latest “Mad Max” movie. It flopped because it turns out that no one wants to watch a Mad Max movie with a female basically playing the Mad Max character. Who would have thunk it?
ray #461424 June 12, 2025 10:11 am 7
As you say, nobody wants it except the fembots and the white haters. It is far more important to wound and discomfit us than to make money or art. That’s how you know it’s a spiritual war. Would they destroy not only film, but the entire planet, for the sole reason of taking us down? Believe it. Such is a cult of death.
Johnny Ducati #461413 June 12, 2025 10:02 am 20
There has always been a level of subversion in Hollywood films. The perversion really took off after they ditched the Hays Code and now it’s in full bloom.Devin Stack had a good series on Hollywood subversion of our values several years ago.
Alzaebo #461505 June 12, 2025 1:39 pm 4
They Hays Code started because of the increasing depravity and subversion the Usual Suspects were injecting into American film.The Code didn’t happen one day for no reason at all.
Tars Tarkas #461452 June 12, 2025 11:18 am 5
This stuff has been there a long time. You can see messaging really start to infiltrate TV and film as early as the 50s and 40s. I just watched a 40s movie with James Stuart (it’s a wonderful life guy) in it where he plays the reluctant SJW reporter who fights to get a cop killer (a foreigner, of course) out of prison, “Call Northside 777, 1949” Lots of propaganda. Allegedly based on a true story. Miracle date on a newspaper blown up from a photo supposedly proves the witness could have theoretically lied. “Real killers” never caught.
The Greek #461345 June 12, 2025 8:31 am 31
You forget another important aspect killing Hollywood: YouTube. Especially with the under 40s crowd, I can watch some anti-white, leftist, or just plain bad movie/series on a streaming service, or I can sit for an hour and binge and hour or two of YouTube videos. The zoomers will even watch twitch livestreams of other people playing video games before watching a tv show. Heck, I’ve seen groups of friends all watching a movie “together” and half the group is just doomscrolling TikTok and instagram.
thezman #461384 June 12, 2025 9:26 am 29
I would agree and add that YouTube is doing to film and long for television what the internet did to books. People will watch a short video, but increasingly struggle to focus on longer video. The short attention span cultivated by the internet is killing long form across the board.
TempoNick #461405 June 12, 2025 9:56 am 8
YouTube has also backed off on copyright infringement beatdowns. I think what they do now is they leave copyright infringing videos up, but won’t let you monetize them. For example, I like watching the movie “Charley Varrick” every so often. I couldn’t find it playing anywhere for free, but it’s there on YouTube and it has been for a while. https://youtu.be/9ovbzXVWFqs
Tars Tarkas #461411 June 12, 2025 10:00 am 6
There are thousands of old TV shows, movies and films on youtube. I just finished watching the Boston Blackie (a knockoff of The Lone Wolf) hour long film series on youtube. I think these hour long films were for matinees in the theaters from the 30s to the 50s. Some good, some not so good. I have prime which comes with the prime delivery and it absolutely blows. You have to watch commercials and get a horrible selection. It’s almost entirely modern b movies. Every single time I go on there looking for a particular film, it’s not available.
Templar #461438 June 12, 2025 10:39 am 5
There are thousands of old TV shows, movies and films on youtube. Ex: someone’s uploaded every single installment of the 1940sTopperfilm series last I looked.
Tars Tarkas #461445 June 12, 2025 11:07 am 3
Thanks. I’ll check it out. Never heard of it.Someone uploaded all the episodes of The Untouchables, which was a pretty good series.But the problem with youtube is these things go up and down like crazy and there are usually multiple copies of the same film, so it’s hard to keep track of what you watch other than writing it down somewhere. I used to leave a comment like “OK, watched 11/24” but that quickly proved useless.
Jeffrey Zoar #461468 June 12, 2025 11:37 am 4
ok.ru/video is great for finding any old movie you want free and ad free (I don’t think it was meant to be ad free but evidently the ads were set up to run in russia and don’t seem to work here). But you have to put in a little effort to find the original English language version of a movie among all the dubbed foreign language ones.
Alzaebo #461507 June 12, 2025 1:57 pm 1
Heh! My bestie used to complain that the only movies I made him watch were ones we had to read.
NIdahoOrthodox #461525 June 12, 2025 3:34 pm 0
For $3 a month on Prime, no ads. It’s worth it.
Alzaebo #461506 June 12, 2025 1:53 pm 4
Postcards From Barsoom makes a magnificent case that youtube and the internet are doing to university what Gutenberg’s press did to monasteries: erasing the demonic university system as the head of the cultural hydra. This will return clubs of learning and apprenticeships of skill to true meritocratic status, unleashing the creative power of our civilization. His case is laid out remarkably well- what gets me are the paintings of the abandoned monasteries, ruined hubs of vast wealth, power, and privilege (as our colleges are today.) Enjoy!https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-class-of-2026
CorkyAgain #461521 June 12, 2025 3:30 pm 1
I love the idea of Trump doing to the universities what Henry VIII did to the monasteries.
Templar #461566 June 12, 2025 11:55 pm 3
…what gets me are the paintings of the abandoned monasteries, ruined hubs of vast wealth, power, and privilege… Monasteries weren’t simply enclaves for credentialed eggheads as our universities are, though. They were hospitals, food-banks, emergency shelters and whatever else the local populace needed, and (in England, at least) they weren’t abandoned so much as seized by the crown and then doled out to the Protestantnouveau richein exchange for various favours. Social dysfunction in England skyrocketed after the dissolution of the monasteries and only really began to abate in the 19th century.
TempoNick #461397 June 12, 2025 9:44 am 9
And you forgot one as well: FAST Channels (Free Ad-Supported Streaming TV). Between Pluto, Tubi, FreeVee and a few others what the hell do I need cable or paid streaming for? The movies are generally older, but a lot of them are not too old. So what if I’ve seen Jack Reacher 10 times? It’s an entertaining enough movie and it’s mostly background noise while I’m doing something else anyway. Terminator 2 again? It was on last night while I was cleaning up my office.
Tars Tarkas #461431 June 12, 2025 10:19 am 7
There is a lot on youtube as well. No commercials. Over the winter I watched a bunch of Stephen King movies on youtube. If you like really old stuff, like B&W, there are thousands upon thousands of them.
TempoNick #461448 June 12, 2025 11:10 am 4
Grit is also good for Westerns at night. Grit is usually on one of the subchannels on over the air television, depending on how many channels you have in your market.
Mike #461477 June 12, 2025 11:50 am 3
The best thing about youtube is that you can download most of the stuff on there with Realplayer.
Tars Tarkas #461514 June 12, 2025 2:40 pm 4
I just deleted hundreds of gigabytes of TV shows I recorded with my converter box DVR that I copied to the hard drive. I was running out of space and I didn’t want to buy yet another hard drive. I kept some, ones I’ve yet to watch, but on a cheap thumb drive I bought. Most of the stuff I watch on youtube hasn’t seen a TV screen in decades and are unlikely to be permanently erased from youtube. I just cannot watch most new TV shows and movies. Even when they are not pure propaganda, they are unwatchable garbage.
CorkyAgain #461527 June 12, 2025 3:53 pm 3
One of the benefits of living near an urban center is the availability of digital TV broadcasts over the air that to watch you need only an inexpensive antenna on your bookshelf or windowsill.I’ve been using it to watch old TV westerns and Star Trek episodes and it reminds me of the days when those programs were new: you only get what’s currently being broadcast instead of being able to browse the catalog, and if you miss the beginning of the show, you can’t rewind it.There are commercials too, of course, but I’m finding most of them amusing. I especially enjoy the ads for new inventions hawked by pitchmen with frenetic Sham-Wow voices. You’ll also get another gizmo, a $50 value, but it’s yours for free!!!
Pickle Rick #461356 June 12, 2025 8:48 am 30
The other part of what is killing Hollywood is that social media and activism has exposed the “movie star” and destroyed their glamorous image.
Marko #461361 June 12, 2025 8:57 am 19
Especially for those who consider themselves on the Right.Though I suspect that’s only because most Hollywood stars are lefty theater kids, and we all know that now because they’ve started getting uppity on social media.
Pozymandias #461524 June 12, 2025 3:34 pm 6
As long as the Hollyweirdos only spoke through their agents they were fine. Once they got on social media and started talking without anyone telling them what to say everyone could see how stupid and crazy most of them were.
Mycale #461347 June 12, 2025 8:33 am 29
The whole streaming thing is one of the more hilarious self-owns I have ever seen in business. You now have to have 15 different subscriptions if you want to watch everything, so people just hop around and wait for deals and cancel instead of in the past where you just had cable and paid it every month. The price transparency and annoyance of juggling these services has killed the loyalty people had for these studios and their products. The companies also invested massively in IP and brands – Disney spent $70 billion on Fox – and then threw it on a service that made that IP totally disposable and value-less. They spend millions of dollars to make TV shows and then people consume it in a weekend and cancel. It’s crazy and it shows that these elites – and these are elites, these are our social engineers – are really not smarter or more intelligent than anyone else, and they fundamentally misunderstand not just our society, but their own product and the millieu it came from.
karl von hungus #461364 June 12, 2025 9:02 am 13
i read that a lot of people will sign up for a service to watch one program, then cancel the service a month later after viewing all episodes.
Ed S #461371 June 12, 2025 9:15 am 6
Zman makes some valid points, but since he really seems to want to write about culture, he misses several factors that made streaming non-viable.And one obvious one is what you just pointed out, that the way to do this would have been to have the studios get together, and created a single platform, so people would just have to subscribe to a single platform, and then parcel out the net revenue among the studios based on views or some other metric.And by the way, the reason they didn’t do this, and it would have been a fairly obvious course of action, is that large American businesses simply stopped valuing even basic competence in their hiring decisions some time ago. This also produces worse movies and TV shows, which is also starting to drive down the viewership.
TempoNick #461492 June 12, 2025 12:48 pm 3
Yeah, that’s something they don’t seem to get. I’m not going to pay to watch Peacock and Paramount Plus on top of that, and Disney on top of that.But then again, we had all that stuff together in one place, cable. They ended up killing the golden goose by getting too greedy, dumbing down content, maximizing commercials, getting greedy with fees.I simply don’t like the content enough to pay for it anymore. If it’s not on Free TV or free internet, I’m not interested. If you’re also going to run 12 minutes of commercials in a row, I’m also not interested.
thezman #461378 June 12, 2025 9:23 am 30
It is fascinating that these titans of media did not note that you make billions in American by controlling a bottleneck or a monopoly, not through competition. That said, I suspect Disney assumed that if they bought up the best content, the other services would wither and then they could wield near monopoly power. What they fail to grasp is piracy is unstoppable. It is the thing no one discusses, but is real and real easy. If you want sports and entertainment, getting it free is simple.
Mycale #461404 June 12, 2025 9:50 am 6
IIRC, Hulu was initially set up as a kind of “not-Netflix” which was meant to offer content from many studios. But they got greedy and decided that instead of splitting the pie they should make their own. It didn’t work that way and melted down soon after, although Hulu still exists in skeleton form (mostly through FOX content and offering ESPN and Disney bundles).
Captain Willard #461482 June 12, 2025 12:10 pm 2
Yes that’s right. Disney was very late to the streaming party. Wall Street really criticized them for it.
Captain Willard #461487 June 12, 2025 12:29 pm 5
Disney understood those issues and piracy too (perhaps better than anyone). But you’re absolutely right that Disney over-estimated the power of their content relative to the power of the streaming business model. Netflix/Amazon got a huge amount of money for new content so they got better. Then Disney’s content got worse. By then, Disney was late to streaming and had crap content to boot. This isn’t a new problem; many media executives failed to appreciate technology and distribution paradigm shifts. Remember AOL/Time Warner? Ted Turner is one of the rare media executives who also understood technological change. George Lucas is another. They were different worlds that have now converged.
Captain Willard #461381 June 12, 2025 9:24 am 8
These things run in cycles. Hollywood has had waves of outsiders influence it heavily, so it hasn’t had a consistent management culture. When I first came to the business (mid-80s), Hollywood was bad and outsiders (eg Sony and Ted Turner) came to the industry to try to reform it. In fact, this whole outsider wave started (if you don’t count Howard Hughes) in the 60s when Gulf&Western acquired a struggling Paramount and turned it around brilliantly. Kirk Kerkorian bought MGM and did the same. The Bronfmans (Seagrams) also bought Universal a few years later. Money talks. When all the current fads fail, money men will come and implement change as they always do.
Mr. House #461415 June 12, 2025 10:04 am 7
Didn’t one of the Seagrams get in trouble with some strange sex/slave cult about a decade ago?
TempoNick #461564 June 12, 2025 10:17 pm 0
Yes. NXIVM
Mr. House #461417 June 12, 2025 10:05 am 7
yeah these people are F%^*#D up https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/seagrams-heiress-clare-bronfman-sentenced-for-role-in-sex-cult/
Jeffrey Zoar #461484 June 12, 2025 12:16 pm 6
The Bronfman/Epstein connection (very long) Hidden in Plain Sight: The Shocking Origins of the Jeffrey Epstein Case
Evil Sandmich #461502 June 12, 2025 1:26 pm 3
I do want to put in a slight correction in that Netflix only makes money due to accounting gimmicks. Streaming video content did what streaming audio content did: cheapened the overall product which resulted in a feedback loop where the product itself was made more and more cheaply to, basically, compete with itself.
Mr. House #461517 June 12, 2025 2:45 pm 2
Yep, no rarity. Music, movies, books, games, over saturated and too cheap. They shot themselves in the foot.
karl von hungus #461338 June 12, 2025 8:04 am 23
your overall point is valid, but hollywood is dying because it churns out tons of genuinely bad product. the streaming sites – including netflix – have an insatiable demand for content, and aren’t fussy about how good it is. this lack of concern for quality has infected every studio and production company. oh look another tv series about an independent lady cop who does things her way!another failing of the streaming sites is the narrowness of their offerings. almost exclusively post 2010 productions. the rental stores had a much greater variety of offerings than any streaming site, since the rental stores could stock titles from *every* studio.want to give a plug to the Tubi channel – which is free – and has a huge variety of titles, many that are first rate (and some that are fun but not so good quality). lots of ads however kind of spoil it for me.
george 1 #461362 June 12, 2025 8:59 am 16
Agreed. Movies, for quite sometime, have mostly been woke monstrosities or cartoons designed for children or those with children’s intellect.
Pozymandias #461530 June 12, 2025 4:05 pm 0
I’m sure AI will make producing this slop even cheaper and easier than ever. No more need to pay overpriced whores and gayboys to play their cartoonish characters in capeshit movies. Now, with AI, the whole film is CGI, including the script. Pure profit. On the one hand it means even further concentration of wealth. On the other, all those obnoxious sluts and twinks will be begging on the street to pay their drug dealers.
Johnny Ducati #461429 June 12, 2025 10:18 am 11
57 channels and nothing’s on…
Arshad Ali #461433 June 12, 2025 10:24 am 8
Advertising is on. From the standpoint of the networks, the ideal situation is to have on cheap, addictive, and worthless content to have the rubes glued to the screens, so that they can be bombarded with endless commercials. That’s the business model.
Dutchboy #461464 June 12, 2025 11:31 am 2
It’s more like 257 channels!
Filthie #461491 June 12, 2025 12:44 pm 7
Oh gawd -The Boss! 😂👍 U’know when I was a kid guys like him took great delight at flipping the bird at the old establishment and the geriatrics that ran it. And today, he gets the same treatment! Watching Robert De Niro getting laughed at by contemptuous mobs just made my day.
Pozymandias #461529 June 12, 2025 4:00 pm 1
I was looking for a place to plug in my TV when I finally realized it was World War III – Root Boy Slim
Arshad Ali #461435 June 12, 2025 10:26 am 5
Among other things, good content usually (always?) has a critical stance (towards politics, towards society, towards human nature). There’s no critical stance in the vapid and saccharine content of today.
Jeffrey Zoar #461511 June 12, 2025 2:21 pm 4
A consequence of the “left” achieving dominance. They can’t criticize themselves.
rasqball #461457 June 12, 2025 11:22 am 1
https://archive.org/details/01-angie-dickinson
M. Murcek #461385 June 12, 2025 9:27 am 20
Hollywood was a great conduit for the establishment’s propaganda back in the day. While that was mostly frittered away before the COVID lockdowns, what little was left of its usefulness to The Project was eliminated for good during the lockdowns. Same with the schools. Hilariously, the establishment was shocked, shocked I tell you, to find that even after those two propaganda vectors were re-deployed they no longer worked like before, nor could they be rebooted into their erstwhile state of usfulness.Meanwhile, the bulk of the “content consuming public, – ie the lumpen masses – now have the attention span of a stillborn dust mite thanks to the newfangled streaming paradigm.Seldom has collapse of a long ingrained system looked at once so appealing and appalling at the same time.
Jack Dodson #461419 June 12, 2025 10:08 am 9
This is a very good point. Every post-print media has been heavily regulated in a way to ensure a propaganda monopoly–radio and television, for example, were controlled through licensing and other regulatory requirements. The Supreme Court created a ludicrous fiction that the Founders meant only print to get around the obvious First Amendment (which is a fraud) violations. Films also were controlled, originally through the Motion Pictures Production Code/Legion of Decency, which gave the illusion of free expression regulated via private agreement. After the Jewish takeover of Hollywood and government, monopolies and other anti-free market devices were deployed to regulate content albeit for different reasons.Panic swept across police state apparatuses when the Internet emerged, and particularly so with social media. It was a battle they always were doomed to lose despite best efforts.The changing political landscape, which is heading directly toward totalitarianism, is a last-ditch effort to restore the information monopoly. I suspect promotion of AI and the emergence of psychopaths like Karp is a rearguard effort to discredit readily available information that is not state-approved.
Wolf Barney #461341 June 12, 2025 8:18 am 20
Another example where the chosen ones chose to shoot themselves in the foot, since much of Hollywood’s problems are downstream from immigration policy.
The Wild Geese Howard #461423 June 12, 2025 10:10 am 18
Another factor killing movie theaters is the wide availability of high quality home video and audio products at reasonable prices. Sure, the theater screen and sound are objectively better, but not so much so that one is going to put up with ticket prices, expensive crap food, and obnoxious public behavior.
Jeffrey Zoar #461393 June 12, 2025 9:38 am 18
While we are discussing all the business and cultural related reasons for the decline of Hollywood, which do have validity, I tend to believe that the industry would still do ok, in spite of all that, if they made any content worth watching. But in the last 10-15 years (I might even say the last quarter century) that is virtually zero. That’s your real culprit right there. People will watch good content. But where is it?
Mr. House #461425 June 12, 2025 10:12 am 6
Here is something to consider: https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ Ticket sales peaked and box office (adjusted for inflation) right around 2001 and they’ve been treading water ever since and raising prices. More evidence that country overall has been in a depression since.
Jeffrey Zoar #461456 June 12, 2025 11:21 am 11
The eternal Now, that we’ve been in since the turn of the millenium. Previous decades were culturally identifiable. But since then, it is all the same. I’m not the first person to point this out.
Mr. House #461463 June 12, 2025 11:31 am 3
the early 2000’s and part of the 2010’s were distinct. Everything went bland by 2016
Mr. House #461475 June 12, 2025 11:46 am 6
Also, another thing i noticed around that time, more and more actors appearing from the 5eyes. England, Europe, Australia. And a lot of the films were being filmed in Eastern Europe at the time because it was cheap (early 2000’s). I guess regions couldn’t support their own film industries anymore so had to consolidate into globohomo?
Jack Dodson #461428 June 12, 2025 10:17 am 8
It is highly doubtful that even if Hollywood turned out content like it did in its Golden Age that people would return to theaters due to vibrancy, among other things. As someone else pointed out here, even streaming services would continue to struggle due to severely decreased attention spans caused by digital delivery systems. Many very early films were far shorter, an hour or so, but would that be short enough?There probably would be some uptick if the content improved but it would not be enough to revive the industry. I suspect film is about to join Vaudeville on the ash heap of history soon.
Mr. House #461465 June 12, 2025 11:35 am 6
We were turned away from the theaters a few times in the late 90’s and early 2000’s due to riots. Once on Christmas Day. That didn’t stop us, i’d say they’ve turned people off with their attitudes more so, like modern women 😉 https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/06/youve-lost-that-lovin-feeling-why-are-young-men-giving-up-on-sex.html We were shrews for a decade, why don’t men want us anymore? For example, the movie bridesmaids was funny. The theater was packed and everyone was laughing. The Ghostbusters remake bombed, all the same actors, why? Politics……..
HalfTrolling #461352 June 12, 2025 8:43 am 17
Good riddance
RDittmar #461420 June 12, 2025 10:08 am 15
Another thing about streaming that I find so loathsome is how it’s just another corporate attempt to nickel and dime the consumer at every point of even the simplest transaction. Want to fill your tank with gas? Give us your e-mail. Sign up for rewards. Do you want a membership? Watch this ad to save! Steaming is just all these little retail assaults on your time and wallet writ large. Want to watch a movie? You need a membership. Sign up for premium to get content early. Want to skip ads? Watch this video from our advertiser and pay a one-time skip fee. I’ve noticed recently too how it’s getting more and more difficult to even find a physical copy of a movie to watch at leisure at home. It’s clear that Hollywood wants physical media to disappear so they can charge you over and over again to be able to watch a movie under even barely acceptable circumstances. I’m hoping these never ending attempts by businesses today to scam you out of every single penny in your pocket and every single moment of your spare time causes grief to a lot of other industries besides Hollywood.
The Wild Geese Howard #461350 June 12, 2025 8:42 am 13
Khaby Lame, with his 162 million TikTok followers, is what global society worships: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tiktoks-most-popular-star-khaby-lame-leaves-us-after-being-detained-ice Humanity is doomed.
Jeffrey Zoar #461367 June 12, 2025 9:10 am 9
Ever since screens became a thing, people have worshipped the people on the screens, whether they were actors in movies, or just lying pieces of shit like Walter Cronkite. You’ll note the difference in status between the screen actor and the stage actor (who cares about the Tonys?). The status of actors was never about acting, it was about the screen. Nowadays folks have found new screen dwellers to worship who are encroaching on the old’s turf. Since after 15 years of smartphonedom they don’t really have the attention span for movies anymore.
3g4me #461377 June 12, 2025 9:22 am 30
Humanity is over-rated. Get rid of 95%. Leave the 50% of Whites who are normal and not self-hating leftists (about 5% of the world’s billions). Start over.
ray #461427 June 12, 2025 10:16 am 4
Lame Khaby, lame humanity.
Dutchboy #461454 June 12, 2025 11:20 am 12
The people who made Hollywood also made the immivasion possible. There is a certain negative symmetry to it.
Arshad Ali #461422 June 12, 2025 10:10 am 12
“Of course, the dynamics of the American film market is why the studios now look to foreign markets for profit. This means more films high on big flashy effects and low on sensible dialogue and plot.”I don’t know when this started. Was it the martial arts films made in Hong Kong in the ’60s and ’70s? The Bruce Lee films? The Spaghetti Westerns made by Sergio Leone and others, with a cast that largely couldn’t speak English at all? Was it the Alistair MacLean films likeThe Guns of Navarone? Was it the Star Wars films? Was it the Stallone films — the Rocky and Rambo series — where the plot (if it deserves to be called one) can be understood entirely without knowing a word of English? The recent films I’ve cited have all been made for a global viewership that wants spectacle, special effects, and loud noises of the same kind that the Roman lumpenproles wanted from the gladiatorial contests. Coupled with this is that American viewers have become less discriminating themselves. We are moving to the bleak future depicted inIdiocracy, where TV series likeOw, My Ballsand films likeAssbecome popular.Off the top of my head, the last plot-driven film I watched wasRemains of the Day, based on a book by a Japanese writer. No special effects, no loud noise. Not even much drama, and everything very understated, and requiring reading between the lines. I pine for the days of Orson Welles.
DLS #461480 June 12, 2025 12:04 pm 2
If you like Orson Welles, check out this commercial he was voicing. Listening to a great director not wanting to take direction from a director of commercials is pretty amusing. https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=45c8bf4228d081b3&sxsrf=AE3TifP7T0saLQgqdMH8ShsAI_VCOjUK7Q:1749747464017&q=orson+welles+commercial+peas&udm=7&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZud1z6kQpMfoEdCJxnpm_3W-pLdZZVzNY_L9_ftx08kxElMEpo90JBBY0TEXYKcN_IwOPyE5tikuTlZNNw-umcbJxSDffR92FBO_sVFIn0cTgUfhyzHWSChh9mSwa7KZIu1VbIuIzeV-dvMjWhRkuBxryBOdXJMeKMBG9qjERJ2Orb2TOEBbt-84cFZtCdE1QfTmtEw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjglKigreyNAxWx48kDHa6gBHEQtKgLegQIGhAB&biw=1628&bih=910&dpr=2#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:c5b6d7cc,vid:RTX0Un21o_U,st:0
RDittmar #461515 June 12, 2025 2:42 pm 1
Waaa-aahh!! The French! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFevH5vP32s
Templar #461568 June 13, 2025 12:08 am 0
John Candy had a greatOrson Welles impression.
Jack Dodson #461386 June 12, 2025 9:28 am 10
On the one hand, streaming robs from the theaters, especially small local theaters, by removing cheap content they would use to attract daytime audiences in the summerOut of interest, how many here ever have gone to a theater in the daytime? I’m older than most commenters but I can’t recall the last time because it was so long, long ago–70’s-ish, I think. Soon enough, if not now, the question will be, “have you ever watched a film in a theater?” A few years back a popular stat was something like two-thirds of younger people had never eaten at McDonald’s (good for them). I bet more than that have never been in a theater.
thezman #461390 June 12, 2025 9:32 am 22
The last time I recall going to a matinee was when my friends kid’s were small. A few times I was asked to babysit and took the kids to the movies. When I was a kid, we went to the movies on rainy days or when it was blistering hot. The theater had air con.
Jack Dodson #461398 June 12, 2025 9:47 am 10
I had forgotten the AC aspect (I’m a native Southerner, too). You also are older than many if not most commenters here, though. Maybe I should refine the question to “how many here under 40 ever have been to a movie in the daytime?” I suspect, maybe wrongly, it is basically non-existent.
Ronald #461508 June 12, 2025 1:59 pm 1
Legend of Boggy Creek
karl von hungus #461451 June 12, 2025 11:15 am 7
when i was a kid the theaters would have a kids’ matinee movie (on saturday), and only kids would be in the audience. it was pretty wild 🙂
Dutchboy #461467 June 12, 2025 11:37 am 2
Our local theater showed serials from the 50s on Saturdays (The Lone Ranger, Batman, Hopalong Cassidy, etc.) and the place was packed with screaming boys. Admission was a certain number of RC Cola bottle caps. Eventually, it became a porno theater and then went out of business.
CorkyAgain #461533 June 12, 2025 4:19 pm 2
In the early Sixties my brother and I used to go to the matinee to watch Ray Harryhausen movies like Jason and the Argonauts. Or westerns. To this day I can’t shake the belief that the Old West smelled like popcorn and musty upholstery.
I.M. Brute #461572 June 13, 2025 4:04 am 2
In 1982/1983 I was living “The Vanlife” in Pensacola, Florida. That van was my home, and I played in a country bar band at night. During the weekdays I spent all day at the public library, plus visits to the gym. Sundays presented a problem: all my usual daytime hangouts were closed. This presented a problem in summer, as the heat was unbearable. Fortunately, a local movie theater charged only fifty cents for their daytime matinee, and although I had to watch Albert Finney sleepwalk through “Looker” “Wolfen” and “Blame It On Rio”, at least I got to enjoy cool, dark comfort for a few hours every Sunday.By the way, the last time I set foot in a theater was when “Dances With Wolves” premiered in Coeur d’ Alene in the Spring of 1991. The audience was 100% white, quiet and well-behaved. I’m guessing that type of audience is now nonexistent, even in Idaho.
rasqball #461462 June 12, 2025 11:31 am 4
I “do The Cinema” maybe three or four times a year; nearly always matinee shows. My most recent was for last year’s Nosferatu reboot (December 2024?) The film was pretty good, incidentally, although I still prefer W. Hertzog’s take. (5 8 y.o. Caucasian Male)
Jack Dodson #461466 June 12, 2025 11:36 am 2
Thanks. I strongly suspect you are an outlier, though. eta: The Nosferatu reboot looks interesting.
rasqball #461523 June 12, 2025 3:30 pm 1
It was…and if you’re like me, you’ll be eyeing the lead actress and thinking “who does she look like?”“Play hooky from work, and go to the movies.”
Templar #461570 June 13, 2025 12:12 am 1
The Nosferatu reboot looks interesting. It furthered my suspicion that Robert Eggers literally sold his soul for critical acclaim.
Templar #461569 June 13, 2025 12:11 am 0
Out of interest, how many here ever have gone to a theater in the daytime? I’ve done it pretty frequently. Most recently to see the CGISuper Mariomovie (my little sister wanted to see it).
Effie Perrine #461692 June 13, 2025 1:57 pm 1
(Delurking to respond)I used to go to matinee shows back in the mid-90s at The Brattle Theatre in Harvard Square. They had annual themed revival weeks, i.e Bugs Bunny cartoons. The place was packed with fellow Gen X adults and each time a new short was introduced, everyone would cheer and applaud, since each of the offerings was so well known and loved. One year they offered the early James Bond films, and many in the audience were Boomer age with their teen kids. The kids all cracked up at the antiquated tech and obvious double-entendre one liners. The was before the Bond films were scooped up by cable and run to death.
TomA #461369 June 12, 2025 9:10 am 10
In case anyone is interested in recommendations for recent releases that still have the feel of old school Americana, i have two suggestions that I very much enjoyed. The first is “The bikeriders” with Tom Hardy, and the second is “Desperation Road” with Mel Gibson in a secondary role. Both include new acting talent that actually act and no special effects.
Grant #461359 June 12, 2025 8:50 am 10
I always scratched my head at Amazon original content. You got access to all of their shows for free with your prime subscription. Access to Amazon media was not a compelling reason to get prime. 2-day delivery was. It seemed like they were giving things away for free. Now they have commercials on Prime, so I guess they are finding a way to make money.The Expanseand the awfulRings of Powerwere vanity projects for Bezos since he supposedly liked the source material. Streaming services also never release numbers for who’s watching what, so outlandish claims about the popularity of garbage are uncontestable. Even shareholders don’t get numbers. Not sure how that’s legal.The problem with streaming services now is that you have to get all of them to be able to watch everything you want. It’s more expensive than cable. There’s a good analog to this. In the early 2000s, Gabe Newell of Valve studios had a problem. Piracy was rampant in the video game industry. He decided he was going to do something about it. He set out to make it so cheap and easy to buy games that nobody would bother pirating. Steam was born. Blizzard had a similar concept with Battle-dot-net, but it never really achieved the same concept until later. Steam originally only sold Valve software, but other developers piled on and now Steam is the single most popular retailer of games. Around 2017ish, companies smelled blood in the water and stopped offering their products on Steam and established their own storefront apps. Epic games was designed to kill Steam. It didn’t work. Bethesda, and a bunch of other companies ended up shuttering their digital stores. Steam is still on top with a complete monopoly with the exception of niche sellers like Galaxy of Games, which specializes in bringing back very old games. Another great feature of steam is its rating system and the ability to see how many people are playing the game as well as historical data on how many people played it. You can’t polish a turd on Steam.The problem Hollywood has now is that it’s far easier and cheaper to pirate their content than it is to pay for a half dozen streaming services. Find a shady site, use a built-in browser extension to save the stream (no screwing around with malware-laden torrents), stick it on a flash drive, and plug it into your smart TV. Younger generations are largely technologically illiterate despite (or perhaps because of) growing up as “digital natives,” but millennials and Xers are old hats at piracy. The problem for Hollywood is that, boomers aside, these are the two generations with the most disposable income and whom streaming is primarily marketed to. The streaming services are currently flunking the prisoner’s dilemma, but given who tends to run things in this industry (Eskimos), that’s hardly surprising. At this rate, there’s barely anything to watch that’s decent that comes out, so it’s further compounding the reasons not to pay a subscription.
Mycale #461388 June 12, 2025 9:31 am 9
Also Valve is dealing with a competitor who built a “streaming” service and has devalued their games in the same way that the studios did. It seems like mostly the rest of the industry is not taking the bait, although it’s certainly hurt itself in other areas.The generational turnover is going to be interesting. Hollywood has spent the past decade catering to aging Millennials and older and just assuming Zoomers would hop on board… but they haven’t. Zoomers don’t care about Soy Wars or the diverse new Scream or whatever. But they did turn out in droves for Minecraft. It seems they would watch content made for them, but Hollywood doesn’t seem know how to do that, probably because they’ve been making boomerslop for 40 years.
Fred Beans #461414 June 12, 2025 10:02 am 7
To the extent losses from the crapola Hollywood keeps churning out offsets profits from their other divisions may keep the woke from going broke for longer than we would expect. Plus the contractors that supply services to Hollywood, I doubt they’re operating at a loss, must be a lot of cronyism going on there, just like with government contractors.
Jeffrey Zoar #461458 June 12, 2025 11:23 am 8
There was a time when I would have been astonished to learn that fedloldollars were going direct to Hollywood to prop it up. But now I only wonder about the number
The Wild Geese Howard #461470 June 12, 2025 11:39 am 6
Any film that is remotely positive about the US military has received significant Pentagon backing. Exhibit A would beTop Gun,whichcreated a positive feedback loop that improved military recruiting numbers.
Templar #461571 June 13, 2025 12:16 am 1
And why not? I certainly wouldn’t provide hardware, personnel and technical advisors to films that were going to make my organization look bad (if I were in charge of an organization).
Hemid #461412 June 12, 2025 10:01 am 7
True “long tail” underground word-of-mouth, the kind that made it so everybody lovesThe Thingnow, was killed by fake reviews. Forums and comments were shut down, moderated into submission, strategically flooded with bots (and Indians pretending to be bots). Rating sites were rigged to hide audience hatred for corporate slop. The enthusiast press was destroyed so corporate messaging wouldn’t be contradicted.Dudes talking on the internet is the greatest threat to the system, says the system, and it works tirelessly to thwart us. One of dudes’ favorite conversational bonding rituals is movie recommendations. All our “cult classics” and “overlooked masterpieces” came frombullshittin’. That doesn’t really happen anymore. “Media literacy” does. “Underrated” and “forgotten” lists are made and consumed, but nobody checks the source (watches the movies, listens to the albums, whatever).Letterbox lists are madeto be judged by, like a dating profile, not to tell your friends about some cool shit. RedLetterMedia will show nerds a hundred movies they never heard of, but they won’t watch them. They’ll watch another RedLetterMedia video (next product).I think the last gasp of true film fan word-of-mouth was when some anonymous oldfag told 4chan aboutAfrica Addio.(You’re welcome.) Can youbuyit anywhere? Nope. Libertarianism refuted by “the market” for the billionth time this week.
The Wild Geese Howard #461476 June 12, 2025 11:48 am 5
The Thingdidn’t do well initially for many reasons. One is being released in the middle of an upbeat summer season versus Spielberg’s warm and fuzzyET. Another is that the year 1982 was the very beginning of peak 80s when Reagan was beginning to turn things around and pop culture was beginning to shake off the cynicism of the 70s. The zeitgeist simply wasn’t there to support a bleak film with one of the all-time great hanger endings..
Mike Tre #461548 June 12, 2025 7:58 pm 6
Movie theaters are now playgrounds for feral negro children, and nurseries for crying mestizo babies. I don’t care what movie is playing, I’m not paying $100 bucks to sit through a live action chimp out.
Whiskey #461519 June 12, 2025 2:56 pm 6
FYI, Sanders and Angus King are introducing legislation to ban drug ads from all media: TV, radio, streaming, print, digital.If that happens both streamers and Cable and OTA networks die quickly. Drug ads are at least 13% of all advertising spending on “linear” (i.e. non streaming) on TV. RFK Jr. wants to ban them, and it would hurt all the networks going in on Orange Man Bad.One other thing of note. TV traditionally had both pilot season (from Jan to April) where hundreds of scripts would be winnowed to about 30 pilots, of which only 10 would go into production for the fall or mid-season (January) replacements per network. A former co-worker had a gig at Nielsen, his main task was data conversion and pushing to analytics of the pilots to see Z scores and Rankings for both the shows as a whole and various characters. Networks had hours to fill, as the former CBC Network Exec Paul Chato noted, the network heads don’t keep their jobs running a test pattern. A show that tested well but had a problematic character would be reworked. Example, the Pilot for the A-Team, the original actor was replaced by Battlestar Galactica vet Dirk Benedict who was perfect for the role. [You can see on YT the pilot for yourself]. It worked the other way too — an actor/character that people liked but not the rest of the cast might have the entire cast replaced around him.The season was not filmed all at once, without a pilot, the way streamers do it now. Instead audience feedback from Nielsen ratings and detailed breakdowns of characters and such would allow studios to retool the show on the fly. Example: Happy Days went from starring Ron Howard and his pals to Henry Winkler because people liked Fonzie. Good Times went from Esther Rolle and John Amos starring to Jimmie Walker because even though he had no real acting experience people found him “DynoMite!” funny. To Rolle’s and Amos’s “serious Broadway actor” resentment.Midseason replacements would come in, and sometimes become hits. A network executive was only as successful as his relationships with show creators and show runners making shows people broadly liked allowed him to become. Since there was so much of this stuff being filmed, it brought in new people: actors, writers, producers, etc. constantly and kept film studios in the black even if the show ran somewhere else.Now, many streamers (Apple, Amazon, Disney) don’t care about their streaming success as their core business is other places and they could cut off streaming tomorrow with little consequence. Apple or Amazon or Disney don’t care if anyone watches their stuff, they place an order costing enormous amounts of money (Andor cost $300 million a season for its two season run of about 12 episodes per season). They film all at once so they cannot adjust: the audience really likes this character, have more of him, they hate this one, have less. Meanwhile “Gunsmoke” that ended production in 1975, moved into the top 10 of streaming last month, running on Paramount + and Peacock combined for its episodes.Now all the competent older White guys have been shoved out of writing, show running, and acting in favor of strong diverse women. And the new guys never got hired. No wonder you get “the Acolyte” or “Ironheart” or “She Hulk.”Lets hope Trump can take the win from Bernie and pressure Congress to outlaw drug ads. The sooner Hollywood collapses the better.
Scipio #461501 June 12, 2025 1:26 pm 4
Contemporary movies and TV drama shows are set up to break the cardinal rule of good/great storytelling – they “tell” rather than “show”. Watch for 5 minutes and you know how the story end. And why tolerate a monologue lecture featuring whipsmart girlbosses taking charge and explaining everything, cut-off-and-served-by-the-yard scripts and ridiculous CGI?
Whiskey #461510 June 12, 2025 2:15 pm 3
Somewhat OT, Alex Padilla got himself arrested by rushing Kristi Noem during her LA press conference. This is wild.First, Padilla was dressed like casual Friday. Not as a distinguished Senator. Second, its Alex Padilla. He was known for being invisible. He’d been absent from the Senate all week, and now he pulls this stunt. I had completely forgotten he was a Senator, compared to Camera Hog Adam Schiff, Pencil Neck Geek (tm Classy Freddie Blassie) this guy might as well be the invisble man. My guess is this guy saw all the adulatory press that Newsom and Bass were getting and figured he better Fight the Orange Man for Carny Theater. Its telling that this is Alex Padilla. The meme about him in California is that he fades into the shrubbery like Homer Simpson in that episode.Maybe he saw Katy Perry demanding we turn over California to Mexico? All this LARPing is not going to end well for anyone.
Jeffrey Zoar #461518 June 12, 2025 2:45 pm 3
and whaddya know, Kristi had her ballcap on
Ketchup-stained Griller #461535 June 12, 2025 5:04 pm 2
Mattel could make an easy 100 mil if they would put out an Ice Barbie.
RealityRules #461495 June 12, 2025 1:05 pm 3
The reason the people of Hollywood, (and porn and vice themed gaming) are in trouble, and they are in serious trouble, is they have always detached themselves from the society in which they live. They want all the benefits of the host, including to run the entire thing, but to remain forever separate from it.Alas, the organism that behaves this way in nature is well understood. However, the highest IQs in the world cannot by self-awareness and introspection. This is particularly true of psychopaths who must maintain a strong self delusion of moral superiority and self righteousness in order to avoid confronting their monstrous behavior and its consequences.And so, Hollywood whether it survives or dies, will in the end be seen for what it always really was, a very subtle and clever means to infect the most important organ of the hosts – their minds and their moral center. Once all true morality has been consumed then all bets are off and chaos reigns. Can the organism maintain its place in the shadows, or did TCP/IP and durable storage along with infinitely cheap bandwidth make it so that all confessions and moments are permanently visible to an ever widening number of people who were the victims of very sophisticated psychological attacks? The early returns are that the, ‘we must destroy Europe so that it survives’, masked as a Westerner types cannot play whack-a-mole fast enough.Academic Agent’s latest read and his coverage of it is quite a moment of hubris that may turn out to be very difficult to bury and prevent from spreading across the great network designed for optimum resilience to attack.Spread this to every last person you know. Heck, order the book for everyone as a Christmas Gift:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwLSQaRP60https://www.amazon.com/Americas-Peacemakers-Community-Relations-Service/dp/0826222161
ray #461526 June 12, 2025 3:43 pm 2
Another day, another Maria by Danny Wolf | Patriactionary
Zfan #461513 June 12, 2025 2:34 pm 2
I’ll be off topic. Among my many part time jobs when I was young were selling tickets and working in a concession stand in high school — making popcorn and cleaning the machine was a greasy mess. I got a part time job in Italy later as the projectionist by leveraging having figured out how school film projectors worked when we had a particularly clueless substitute teacher who couldn’t. Anyway, I got to see movies for free. We had kid matinees there too which were pretty amusing. The biggest difference from the US was that smoking was allowed. I didn’t smoke much, but I always thought it was pretty funny. That was in the 80s and I had never seen saw people smoking in American theaters, except maybe in the balcony.Haven’t been to a movie in the last decade since moving from LA. In my LA neighborhood there were a fair number of film people and I amused folks and embarrassed myself regularly by exhibiting great ignorance of contemporary film and television. I think about getting a streaming service just to watch some of the movies I hear about on to this site, and maybe a few others that former neighbors and acquaintances had credits for.
Brandon Johnsons Hair #461536 June 12, 2025 5:11 pm 1
I used to patronize the book stores when moved to LA for a defense industry job. I was once drawn into a vigorous literary discussion with Brian Dennehy and John Larroquette. I eas always bumping into celebs, and it was fun at.the time.
Whiskey #461497 June 12, 2025 1:14 pm 2
There was a blog, I forgot who ran it, back in the mid 2000s that argued that the main problem with Hollywood was lack of ownership. That it was not just the money (though that mattered) but the ownership. That the managerialism that infects Hollywood (Disney CEO Bob Iger owns only a few million in Disney stock and options as does the board) makes them not “owners” determined to create both wealth and a legacy, but short-termers looking to maximize their hard-left social network.No one in Hollywood cares about money, just getting paid. In that if a project loses money, it does not hurt careers. Sending the wrong message ala Todd Philips with “Joker” certainly does. Since the only money people will see is the initial check (James Garner reportedly got no residuals at all for the Rockford Files) there is no incentive to treat the project as anything but a rental car. While pushing the message gets acclaim in the press and the next job.Hollywood knows, and has known for decades (since the 1990s) what makes a movie or TV series successful and what makes it a failure. A strong male lead, preferably White, that women desire and men look up to, played by a competent actor, with good character actors in the supporting cast. That’s been a winner since 1939’s Stagecoach with John Wayne. Amazon was told by toy companies to include a strong White male lead in Rangz of Power, but Jennifer Sulke who ran the Entertainment Division didn’t care. She wanted her Strong Female Character.Hollywood knew destroying physical media would hurt their bottom line, as would destroying movie releases, as would Streaming. They did it anyway because Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street etc. will always pump more money in to them, they also have theme parks which are cash cows, and the studios are just rental cars. Look at Disney: they know Star Wars is a dumpster fire bleeding cash, yet they cannot fire Kathleen Kennedy and all her ilk and give it to someone like Tarantino to run. Same with Marvel: flop after girl boss flop after girl boss flop. Pedro Pascal, not only light in his loafers but weird (stealing female costars clothes and wearing them) is their male hero deliberately overshadowed by Vanessa Kirby who is not even really all that attractive or charismatic and is pushing 40. But Feige is untouchable as is the Girl Bossery which they know is a failure.And the key is that this is our opportunity to shape the culture. Yes films cost a lot, but you’d be surprised at what various YT dudes do on a shoestring budget with drones. There are a couple of guys in SoCal who really liked the late Huell Howser (KCET personality / producer who did long form shows on various interesting and historical places in California like the Channel Islands, the mud volcano in the Salton Sea, etc) and do various spins: Sidetrack Adventures, DJ Petesake. One does historical stuff and the other is a transit nerd. There is a guy in Canada (Steve Wallis) who does videos on camping that gets millions of views. Some are straightforward camping videos and others “stealth camping” aka homeless training. The challenge is getting noticed in a giant sea of slop. But it is possible. It is like Western Europe after the Legions left. It is not as if there is any serious challenge.
Chris #461494 June 12, 2025 1:05 pm 1
Interesting timing of this essay. A friend of mine was telling me yesterday that they are re-releasing older movies back into the theater for limited engagements. http://fathomevents.com/
Hokkoda #461549 June 12, 2025 8:08 pm 0
“for get-togethers with friends to have a good time laughing at a bad film”For my family, this is a Friday night movie night category as we decide what to watch over pizza. Comedy, bang-bang, unrelatable indie, and mockable. Our entire voyage through the Rebel Moon movies set sail on the premise of them being hilariously bad and very predictable. And man were we right! Those are very mock worthy garbage and we looked forward as a family to the next release because the watch parties were a lot of fun.Social cohesion isn’t coming back until every corporate executive and every government bureaucrat is hung from every tree in America. And then AI solves our “social media” problem by releasing viruses into platforms like Twitter and Fakebook that obliterate them and the server farms down to their source code and os’s.If AI plays out logically, it’ll try to destroy those things.
Hi-ya #461360 June 12, 2025 8:54 am -5
In the old days, going to the theater for many people was like going to church jeepers, you know your cultures in trouble when the good ol days was when Jewish Hollywood replaced church
karl von hungus #461366 June 12, 2025 9:06 am 6
he didn’t say the movies replaced going to church.
thezman #461373 June 12, 2025 9:18 am 13
FFS, that is clearly not what I meant.
Dutchboy #461469 June 12, 2025 11:38 am 2
Movies Saturday, church Sunday!


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