Asabiyyah

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If you were to imagine the ideal human community, you would probably assume “ideal” meant peaceful and cooperative. There may be people who think the ideal society is one that it is something like a prison exercise yard, but most people think of the idyllic society as one in perfect harmony. Everyone cooperates with one another in order to overcome the natural challenges that come with human society. Disagreements are worked out through the free exchange of ideas and compromise.

Everyone understands that even on a small scale, such a thing is not possible, but it has always been a useful metric. We often measure society against this standard of what we conceive of as the ideal society. It is why every year there are studies posted listing the happiest countries or the least corrupt countries. These are ways to see how the country stacks up against that ideal. Happy people have less crime and corruption than people in quarrelsome, uncooperative societies.

This is not a Christian concept as many assume. People have noticed since the ancient times that societal health correlates with cooperation. Aristotle talked about the concept of philía, which roughly means friendship or affection. It is the glue that holds a people together, which is a requirement of the polis. It is the natural desire to cooperate with others, not just from personal interest, but for the sake of the polis. The “politics” of a society, therefore, arise from friendship and affection.

The 14th-century Arab historian and sociologist Ibn Khaldun wrote about this thing he called asabiyyah, which is something like social cohesion or group solidarity. It is the natural desire to cooperate that arises from family and the tribe, which allows for the construction of increasingly complex social structures. The more asabiyyah a society possesses, the more it is able to accomplish. This, Khaldun noted, is also why complex societies inevitably collapse.

The thing that makes it possible for one people to dominate other people is that which eventually erodes their social cohesion. It is social cohesion that facilitates cooperation, which increases the prosperity of the society. That prosperity then brings expansion and the incorporation of new people, who begin to drain that social cohesion. The cost of acquiring new people is the loss of social cohesion. This then raises the cost of governing the society, which further erodes asabiyyah.

There are many famous theories as to why human societies rise and fall, but all must contend with this central truth of human society. It can only exist when people are able to trust and cooperate with those outside their kin group. The greater the distance from that kin group, the more it costs to maintain cooperation. The reason empires always fall is they end up including people so distant from one another that they are unable to form any sort of cooperative relationship.

Look around the West and you see two things. One is the cost of the state is spiraling upward as it becomes increasingly incompetent. An unsaid truth of many American cities is they lack a genuine police force. The police are just a state sponsored gang that keeps the less organized gangs in check in order to maintain some safe areas for the elite and the tourist areas. Parts of cities like Baltimore can no longer be included in the concept of “civilized society.”

European cities are struggling with the same issue, but for different reasons. Instead of an unassimilable population from an old economic model, they imported millions of people who are genetically distant from the native population. Many of these people are hostile to other people imported into Europe. This alone has eroded social cohesion, but the efforts to maintain order are also eroding social trust. Every man jailed for speech crimes is a loss of European asabiyyah.

This may explain the sudden lurch in elite opinion in the United States away from unlimited immigration to what may be open hostility to it. Every day the window on the issue seems to move from the long-held position of open borders to what is now called remigration, the return of migrants to their homelands. The State Department has announced it is opening an office of remigration to facilitate this. A year ago, uttering the word “remigration” in many places could get you jailed.

This change is elite driven, which is what matters. Instead of an elite responding to public opinion, it is the elite now trying to drive public opinion. When the CEO of JPMorgan Chase speaks dismissively about immigration, as he recently did on the left-wing cable channel CNBC, something big is happening in the clouds. Conventional wisdom among the elite on immigration has swung to the opposite side. There is a reason for it, and it is not a sense of shame.

This gets back to those old concepts about what makes society possible and how best to measure the prosperity of a society. Decades of mismanagement due to the needs of the American empire have drained the West of its asabiyyah. As a result, the cost of maintaining order in the West is reaching a danger zone. All one has to do is look at the budgets of Western governments and then look at the condition of society. In many places, no government at all would be an improvement.

Therefore, it should not be surprising that it is the money men who are the first to sense something is seriously wrong in the West. They may not understand the cultural issues, but they see the gap between the cost and the results. The world’s richest man was not tasked with finding trillions in waste by accident. With $19 Trillion in debt rolling over in the next year, the money men are right to be worried that they have drained the last drops of asabiyyah from the Western world.

While it is tempting to see this sudden realization as a positive, Ibn Khaldun was not optimistic about a society’s ability to rebuild its asabiyyah. This is a theme with all writers who examined societal decline. Once a society hits that inflection point, it no longer has the capacity to reform itself. Social cohesion is not something that can be rebuilt, not even through shared struggle, as it is something that naturally occurs. Once it is drained it is gone and the society it produced is gone with it.

Perhaps this is a necessity as the West finally escapes the age of ideology. The decline of the West will open the ground for new social cohesion to form organically among the European populations that remain in Western lands. The new, post-ideological societies, growing up in majority-minority lands, will place social cohesion and asabiyyah at the top of their social hierarchy. The new asabiyyah will grow out of the wreckage of the ideological society.


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Wolf Barney #459764 June 2, 2025 8:41 am 67
As we’re moving closer to acknowledging the massive mistake in importing the Third World into White countries, it’s becoming illegal to acknowledge (((who))) had a major role in it.
thezman #459767 June 2, 2025 8:45 am 35
I think piling on the Irish at this point is a mistake.
KGB #459782 June 2, 2025 9:12 am 56
Saw someone gloating online this morning about an Irish MMA fighter who shouted “Free Palestine” while beating on an Israeli during a fight. Why wasn’t this Paddy shouting “Free Ireland”? It behooves the Chosens to have goyim fixate on the Middle East, even if they take the side of the Palestinians, as it keeps them distracted from the ongoing replacement in their own lands.
TempoNick #459801 June 2, 2025 9:59 am 13
The Irish people have always been sympathetic to the Palestinian cause because they understand that the indigenous Christians in the Holy Land are for the most part on the Palestinian side. Those indigenous Christians are mostly Eastern Orthodox or Eastern Catholics and I believe that’s where the sympathy comes from. Irish, in a way, sympathetic to the plight of their Catholic brethren.
bunions #459817 June 2, 2025 10:27 am 13
Or…it could be that Irish nationalism is a creature of the Left and that the Irish are allowed to act out according to the precepts of Leftist BS. You can trash Americans, the English and the Scots, and rail against Israeli colonialism.
TempoNick #459854 June 2, 2025 12:00 pm 5
Maybe it’s just that part of their country is occupied, at least according to their sentiments. They sympathize with other Catholics that are also under occupation.
Montefrío #459835 June 2, 2025 11:16 am 10
I believe the Irish are less concerned with the Palestinians’ respective religions than they are with the fact that the Palestinians are an colonialist-occupied country much as Ireland was for six centuries, fighting a massive empire to gain their freedom from it.
Luthers Turd #459914 June 2, 2025 8:43 pm 1
Still fighting for independence. Luther’s Turd
Mazda #459836 June 2, 2025 11:17 am 4
I assumed that the IRA troops spent too much time training in the Bekka Valley and went native.
Anna #459868 June 2, 2025 12:55 pm -15
The only country in the Middle East where Christian population keeps growing is Israel.Christians in the Palestinian ruled territories criticize Israel because they know what will happen to them and their families if they don’t.
Gideon #459886 June 2, 2025 2:24 pm 12
Presumably you are referring to the backing Israel and her American acolytes give to Islamic entities which upon gaining power immediately massacre the Christians who have existed in the Near East since the time of Christ (long before your East European ancestors settled there!) Or perhaps you are referring to the Israeli arms and know-how the Azeris used to expel the Christians from Nagorno-Karabakh. And we mustn’t forget the Gaza churches the IDF deliberately bombed to kill the Christians who had sought sanctuary there. Such examples are more immediately effective than the spitting on Christians in public places, dispossession from their property, and otherimmiserationpracticed by Jews in Israel proper. But, to be frank, I am more bothered by the replacement of Europeans pushed by your people in our own homelands. Suppose you addressthat, since your current attempt at dishing out the goy-slop are totally lost on me.
Anonymouseguy #459907 June 2, 2025 5:41 pm 9
Anyone who has met an Arab Christian or been to an Arab Church in Palestine OR anywhere else knows what Christians who actually encounter Israel think of it. I assure you they say exactly the same when they have no relatives left anywhere in the region. Do you think constantly corrupting a bigger nation to attack defenseless people endears anyone to you?The only Christians who have anything nice to say about you are the deep southern evangelical kind who actually have never even MET you. Average arab christian spits on the ground with the same vehemence of a muslim. For that matter the same vehemence of those of us in the west who know what you’re up to HERE.
Chris #459889 June 2, 2025 2:45 pm 4
During the late 1970’s up until the accords of the 1990’s the IRA trained alongside the PLO. I’m sure that is one of the reasons for their support.
Ostei Kozelskii #459825 June 2, 2025 10:44 am 18
The Micks are a lost cause. Everybody in those isles is, I’m afraid.
RealityRules #459831 June 2, 2025 10:58 am 7
At this point yes. But a list of the names and the books and claims made and the plans implemented that led us to this point will be compiled. Part of the building of the high trust and in-group will be the formation of a healthy and self-sustaining Never Again of our own. It will be Our, Never Again. Never ever ever ever ever effing again!
iForgotmyPen #459860 June 2, 2025 12:25 pm 5
Sorry but Never Again has been copyrighted for the most horrible event in world history and cannot be used!
RealityRules #459863 June 2, 2025 12:45 pm 1
Ha! Ha! Fair enough. But you can’t shoot it down without a counter proposal.
Ben the Layabout #459918 June 3, 2025 6:14 am 0
Stealing the idea from Heinlein’sThe Moon is a Harsh Mistresswhich popularized the phrase “There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch”, which (IIRC) the fictional moon colony employed as their motto: I propose for some future isolationist White culture to adopt as its motto WJWTBLA which simply means “We just wanted to be left alone.”
Ben the Layabout #459917 June 3, 2025 6:09 am 0
Aye, but they deserve some blame, Zed-man For amusement, read the Wiki bio of Canada’s PM, Mark Carney. Here’s a quote for those too lazy: “Three of his four grandparents were Irish…” leaving, I suppose, as an exercise to reader to ascertain the ethnicity of the forth 😀
Marko #459776 June 2, 2025 9:00 am 44
But the (((who))) are the ones turning against it. The more sensible ones realize that importing infinity immigrants means importing infinity people that are either indifferent or hostile to Zion. But I blame my fellow whites more than anything. They got outmaneuvered, brainwashed, and bamboozled. Like Derb says, they could always have just said “no” or remembered their f**king backbone.
TempoNick #459802 June 2, 2025 10:00 am 31
It’s like the discussion I had with somebody here the other day about the fact that the new Muslim girl in their rural community is better looking than the obese tatted up white trash you typically see there. Whites have gotten sloppy and undisciplined in each and every way.
Marko #459806 June 2, 2025 10:03 am 30
Yes, we definitely need better whites, not whiggers nor AWFLs
Compsci #459896 June 2, 2025 3:38 pm 7
“…the new Muslim girl in their rural community is better looking…” How can you tell just by seeing her eyes…. 😉
Ben the Layabout #459919 June 3, 2025 6:18 am 2
Is it worth noting that in many traditional Muslim (and not only Muslim) societies, a woman who even shows interest in the infidels will at the least be badly beaten, at worst killed? And similar treatment may await her would-be suitor. While to some extent some of these immigrants assimilate, that’s far from universal. De-facto Sharia law occurs in Europe and sometimes even here in North America.
Fakeemail #459812 June 2, 2025 10:21 am 19
Won’t happen if white women can vote.
Redpill Boomer #459821 June 2, 2025 10:30 am 9
I have to disagree. White men need to lead the way with a courageous, principled rejection of leftist insanity. Women respect strength and the ones who aren’t mentally ill will follow a strong man. I’ve learned that from bitter experience in my personal life.
Mr. House #459865 June 2, 2025 12:51 pm 5
And how do you propose to show this “strength” in our corporate over policed world? I get what you’re saying, but their is only one “man” in the life of the majority of white womens lives these days. His name is Uncle Sam, and he makes the deadbeat who knocked you up pay, and he makes the companies give you preferential treatment, and he makes sure you have access to any area you feel your presence is needed. So how do men compete with this?
Mr. House #459866 June 2, 2025 12:53 pm 9
Honestly, what area of their own lives do white men actually have power over? Other then not being a junkie, you know, personal decisions, what area do we have power over? I feel like none, perhaps that is why we come here to vent?
NoName #459871 June 2, 2025 1:03 pm 5
Redpill Boomer:“Women respect strength and the ones who aren’tmentally illwill follow a strong man. I’ve learned that from bitter experience in my personal life.“I think that might still have been largely true, circa the turn of the century; but, as the iPh@g & Scrotial Media fired up their ascendancy, and began destroying ancient scrotial norms, Cluster-B came to the fore, and quickly seized control of the Zeitgeist.Fast Forward to the 2020s, and we now have a pandemic of Lady MacBeth Syndrome in are suhciety [i.e. wahmen who think they’re gonna wear the pants in da fambly].You mentioned “mentally ill”, as though it were an outlier, and, classically speaking, Cluster-B was indeed characterized as a rather serious mental illness [although, back in the day,blessedly somewhat rare], but now, in contemporary Klownworld Hellscape, I would argue that Cluster-B [to include e.g. Lady MacBeth Syndrome]Cluster-Bis THE NEW NORMAL; far & away the dominant female psychological profile of our era.=========================PS: The “World Council for Health” has released a nice readable summary of the V@xxine situation, to include the multigenerational collapse of follicles [the so-called “Follicular Atresia”]:https://worldcouncilforhealth.substack.com/p/mrna-vaccines-linked-to-catastrophicHere’s the original paper at PubMed:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12031016/=========================ZMan:“While it is tempting to see this sudden realization as a positive, Ibn Khaldun was not optimistic about a society’s ability to rebuild its asabiyyah. This is a theme with all writers who examined societal decline. Once a society hits that inflection point, it no longer has the capacity to reform itself… The decline of the West will open the ground for new social cohesion to form organically among the European populations that remain in Western lands.”I don’t foresee any regeneration occurring in the near future; 82% of our females are v@xxinated; only 18%of our femalesremain Purebl00ded:https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/I.e. more than FOUR FIFTHS of our women are now suffering from FOLLICULAR ATRESIA, and it’s gonna take centuries for our population to recover from an insult like that [if we can even recover at all].========================PS: a j00, named “Étienne Blum“, born in 1926, just died.He was the inventor of the RU-486 abortion drug.His nom de guerre was, “Étienne-Émile Baulieu“.https://www.lifenews.com/2025/06/02/man-who-created-abortion-pill-that-has-killed-millions-of-babies-dies-at-98/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne-%C3%89mile_Baulieu
Mr. House #459890 June 2, 2025 2:51 pm 1
“with a courageous, principled rejection of leftist insanity” Exactly what i did in 2020 and 2021, now i have less friends because of this show of “strength”. The men you speak of are not here reading this and the men here reading this have not one iota of power.
Redpill Boomer #459816 June 2, 2025 10:27 am 4
It reminds me of women crying how they were “manipulated” by men when they regret their bad choices. There’s always been a close symbiosis between European ruling classes and the Chosen.
Horace #459820 June 2, 2025 10:28 am 58
This. I have come across several books which can serve as markers for the different stages of Jewish conquest of America. Henry Ford’s 4-volume “The International Jew” (1919-21) [an astonishing document] can be summarized as having two main themes. First, it is a plea to Jews “We know how it was and is in Europe, your old patterns don’t have to be repeated here. Assimilate and become Americans and everything will work out great for you.” Second, it was a warning to the then WASP merchant ruling class: “You better start paying attention! If we don’t make sure these Jews assimilate we are going to have serious problems!” This was at the beginning of the Roaring 20’s so I think it is fair to encapsulate WASP merchant response as “Henry, shut up with all this doom and gloom! Can’t you see that we’re making money here? We’re not Ford rich yet, but we’re gonna be!”Fast forward to 1951 and the publication of John Beaty’s (colonel army intelligence) “The Iron Curtain Over America.” I summarize his message as “Guys, we are getting conquered! Wake up!” Only one publisher was willing to take a risk on this book, which eventually was a great success with many editions. Jews didn’t have the amount of control over publishing (a key control node for complex information distribution in the pre-internet era) that they later achieved, but like banking in Italy, even that far back the goys who work in that industry were already well-habituated to not cross Jewish interests.Joseph Bendersky’s “The Jewish Threat: Anti-Semitic Politics of the US Army” published in 2000 is a history of the US army intelligence resistance from the Jewish perspective. He spent 10 years researching it and it is a treasure trove of our ancestor’s noticing and resistance. Of course, from the perspective of Bendersky’s and those who backed his research, the crime was the noticing followed by active self-defense, not the genocidal destruction of European civilization which has occurred because they failed. Note that the bad behavior, and the response, LONG predates the Holocaust. The historical record is very clear on this. It would be simply nonsense to claim that their bad behavior is a response to the Holocaust.Years ago, I came across a transcript of a Senate subcommittee meeting (mid to late 1960’s, don’t remember the exact year) where a bunch of WASP senators were basically bemoaning that they has lost control. Their language was guarded, but it was clear to me that they were referring to the money streams that guide political behaviors. Even while not fiat yet, currency was still instantiated, and possession of that capability a key control node of American civilization. I remember Fulbright was one of them. These retards were so greedy and arrogant that despite a half century of warnings, when the end of their control came they were actually surprised.Wilmot Robertson’s 1972 “The Dispossessed Majority” can be seen as a fellow noticing and marking the passing of the 1rst American Empire (WASPs) into the 2nd American Empire (Jews). My summary of his work: “We have been conquered, and you idiots are still asleep. We are so screwed.”The old WASP ruling class was subordinated into a mere administrative class, and they were ‘grandfathered’. The Ivy League training grounds for the American ruling class were already being conquered and each successive year cohort became genetically and memetically less WASP. So they were replaced piecemeal, those already in the system being allowed to continue to feed at the troughs of money, as long as they did not challenge the system reset, and accepted or ignored the reality that their genetic descendants would never rule, but might be allowed to be well-remunerated servants of the new ruling class.Misanthropes make terrible governors of multi-ethnic societies, so inevitably Jews have ruled very badly and their entire imperial project (that they conquered from the WASPs and repurposed) is coming apart. The Trump movement at the donor level (which is the only level that matters until things go kinetic) is an attempt to keep the project from collapse. They are failing and will continue to fail.Any repair process or post-collapse instantiation of new polities that includes Jews is doomed to failure. Any changes they make are tactical and superficial. Their perception of others thatfundamentallyunderlies their bad behavior is not to change. It’s great they see the necessity of remigration, because they need to be part of it. Israel wants and needs them, and we do not.However, this is a necessary but sufficient condition. “[Our] fellow whites … got outmaneuvered, brainwashed, and bamboozled” because they were honorless merchants who were inadequately ethnocentric. Any replacement ruling class must be self-consciously structured to avoid their mistakes.
Jack Dobson #459877 June 2, 2025 1:42 pm 8
Fantastic comment.
Zorro the lesser Z man #459880 June 2, 2025 1:49 pm 6
Amazing post, Horace. Lots of food for thought.
iForgotmyPen #459891 June 2, 2025 3:13 pm 1
Would like to read these but I’m guessing they’re not available on amazon and are out of print.
Paulskin #460080 June 4, 2025 5:55 am 0
Try Anna’s Archive.
ProZNoV #459905 June 2, 2025 5:18 pm 3
You, sir, have done an amazing job with this comment. Right or wrong, this is extremely high level commenting. Bravo.
Ostei Kozelskii #459826 June 2, 2025 10:46 am 13
Granted. Then again, we did say “no,” along about 1965 and the treasonous elites imported the Third World anyway. Gotta love that there democracy…
Citizen of a Silly Country #459777 June 2, 2025 9:01 am 33
There’s no doubt that the reaction to Oct. 7 and the Israelis response is part of this change in attitude among our elite. Jews realized that they were on Team Whitey/Oppressor whether they liked it or not. They brown horde hates them. Maybe, just maybe, it’s not a great idea to flood the West – which is really the only place for Jews to live – with tens of millions of people who hate Jews and Israel. A lot of rich Jews are finally waking up to this reality.
TempoNick #459799 June 2, 2025 9:56 am 10
“A lot of rich Jews are finally waking up to this reality.” WASPs had the ability to make things happen in the past, but they don’t seem to have the ability to do anything anymore other than push war on hapless third world countries and perform sodomite marriages in their mainline Protestant churches. If Jews finally realize this, they’re in a position to make things happen.
Citizen of a Silly Country #459807 June 2, 2025 10:15 am 21
The reaction to Oct. 7 made me believe that Trump and the GOP would win. The Jews couldn’t trust the Dems.
c matt #460214 June 4, 2025 12:58 pm 0
Classic October surprise.
Fakeemail #459813 June 2, 2025 10:23 am 19
Yup, the browns don’t fall to pieces when the Schindler list theme music plays.
Redpill Boomer #459822 June 2, 2025 10:31 am 7
I have to laugh when Jews pretend that the West is “unsafe” so they need to move to Israel. Make me wonder what they’re smoking.
me again #459791 June 2, 2025 9:43 am 0
”It’s becoming illegal to acknowledge (( who)) had a major role in it.” Episcopal churches? Catholic ones?.
TempoNick #459803 June 2, 2025 10:01 am 2
Does two parens “((” have a different meaning than three parens “(((” ?
Tars Tarkas #459808 June 2, 2025 10:16 am 29
The problem isn’t that they are third worlders, it’s that they are foreigners. The (((who))) needs to go with them. (((They))) are the perfect example of why it is always a mistake to let foreigners into your country, especially with full citizenship rights.
BigJimSportCamper #459879 June 2, 2025 1:49 pm 12
Let alone dual citizenship…
Captain Willard #459770 June 2, 2025 8:53 am 52
JP Morgan Chase/Jamie Dimon have correctly concluded that they cannot make any money lending to deadbeat, savage immigrants, so now they are against more immigration. Since Chase doesn’t own remittance wires (like Moneygram or Western Union) and has probably lost billions on immigrant credit card fraud, it’s time to clamp down. I imagine having the JPM HQ one block from the Roosevelt Hotel (packed with Biden’s “refugees” for several years) was a real practical education. You cannot be too cynical about this issue.
Barnard #459783 June 2, 2025 9:13 am 20
If the “we have had too much immigration” belief had become widespread among oligarchs I would expect there would be much less resistance to it in the courts. Especially from John Roberts who acts as a weather vane to enforce elite consensus to the best of his ability. The fact that deportations have been resisted to the degree they have been makes me think Dimon is a rogue.
Jeffrey Zoar #459794 June 2, 2025 9:50 am 18
9 years into the TDS era (yes it has now been that long), some percentage of folks define their entire political identity (perhaps social identity too) by whatever they perceive as the opposite of Trump. Including some percentage of the “elites.” But their influence is waning.
Vizzini #459795 June 2, 2025 9:52 am 19
That belief needs to become widespread, else the “we have too many oligarchs” (or, at least, the wrong kind of oligarchs) belief will take its place. Society will always have an elite. Whether the elite loves or hates the regular people of the nation is the big issue.
Horace #459828 June 2, 2025 10:51 am 8
It’s a balancing act. They all hate us and they all love money. Which way their gaseous wind blows is a function of whether their hatred or their love dominates at any given time.
Hemid #459867 June 2, 2025 12:55 pm 2
The people who already have all the money don’t “love” money. They just don’t want you to have any. There is only hatred.If there is anti-immigration sentiment among them—and thereisn’t, but let’s pretend—it’s been converted into anti-antisemitism. After Trump, that weapon he drops will not be used against favored groups.(Actually I expect Trump to get suckered into coming afterus, and for it to escalate greatly under President Vance or President AOC, who are the same person.)This may seem unrelated, but it isn’t: I recently saw Japanese TV frame America’s current attention on “foreign students” as a mad paroxysm of anti-Asian racism. They used the British meaning of “Asian” that’s foreign to us, and to the Japanese, the one that includes Indians and Middle Easterners. Strikingly odd.Why lie so strangely? For the next war.Remember, “we” fund their news.
Mycale #459787 June 2, 2025 9:32 am 32
I walked by the Roosevelt Hotel last year – where I have fond memories of staying when I was younger – and being absolutely shocked by what I saw. It was absolutely third world. Actually even that is being harsh to the third world as most of it is much more civilized and dignified than the scene I witnessed.. It’s insane that our elites let things get to this point and shows just how much they hate us, they are willing to torch a crown jewel city of the empire just to rub it in our face.
Horace #459838 June 2, 2025 11:20 am 20
I have some experience in the 3rd world gained during my unwittingly ignoble and poorly rewarded imperial service. The conception thateverythingis shit is simply not true. There are always pockets of ‘nice’ where the rich live, even if they have to import almost everything.So you are absolutely spot-on to point out the significance of ‘our’ elites “[torching] a crown jewel city of [their] empire”. They literally hate us so much that they import barbarians to shit in their own habitat, just because it used to be the habitat of our now destroyed WASP ruling class. This is not the behavior of conquerors, but of raiders who sack and raze.This distinction is perhaps one of the fault lines underlying the civil war amongst the International Jews which is raging through their goy proxies all over the West. Those who wish to be conquerors and exploiters have had enough of the behavior of those who wish to sack and raze. The problem the former have is that they need goyish cooperation to challenge the latter, and goyim capable enough to defeat the sacker/razers simply cannot be trusted not to make a play for sovereignty and freedom from them all.
ProZNoV #459906 June 2, 2025 5:26 pm 6
Used to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel regularly in the course of work travel. It’s not a “modern” hotel by any means, but for a 100 year old hotel in a walkable part of NYC, it was fine. I was shocked to hear it was taken over by trashy “refugees”. So sad. Then again, NYC is completely down with doing this to YOUR neighborhood. F ’em. A billion immigrants for NYC, but they can never leave it. Mega City One; the rest of us will live outside the wall.
Alzaebo #459830 June 2, 2025 10:55 am 1
I see him as jumping over to the ascendent Technocrat side; the MIC banksters are in trouble, and a cat always lands on its feet.
Lakelander #459900 June 2, 2025 4:38 pm 8
“and has probably lost billions on immigrant credit card fraud”I participated in a fraud seminar that had FBI, DEA and local police officers speaking about the types of fraud that exploded during Biden’s reign. We’re talking good old fashioned check fraud, debit/credit card fraud, ACH/Zelle, card skimming at gas stations, ect. Basically it’s foreigners coming to the country illegally and then working with their outlaws back home (dark web/telegram) to defraud Americans. It’s not just Indians scamming boomers. The most fascinating aspect was the nonchalance in which they addressed the issue. They we’re resigned to the fact that even if they caught them, they would get away because the courts would give the fraudster a date in the future with no enforcement preventing them from fleeing. The fraud boom was likely made way worse by Biden’s open border policy. It’s a little early to tell for sure, but from what I’m seeing, fraud has gone down since Trump was elected. Truly remarkable the bullshit we put up with in this country.
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #459773 June 2, 2025 8:55 am 40
I think the oligarchs realized that Cloward-Piven is a dreadful idea and will likely result in a French Revolutionesque terror that might involve their necks being placed in a guillotine.It is galling to see the constant stream of lies from the open borders crowd on how endless immigration boosts the economy, which is a literal god these deviants worship. Of course it’s a lie because most of them come here to pick the desiccated husk of our once-great nation on the dole.It is nice to see normies realize that dumping infinite numbers of low-IQ, incompatible and criminally-minded foreignersis a very bad ideabecause Somalis, Haitians or Guatemalans will most likely turn your neighborhood into a war zone and bring their weird customs and grievances to your front door step.In one way, the Biden administration’s goal to “resettle” migrants in middle America might’ve been a blessing in disguise, as showing small town residents the blessings of diversity might’ve swayed their opinion on the topic.I just wonder if this realization is too late.
Vizzini #459798 June 2, 2025 9:54 am 38
It is nice to see normies realize that dumping infinite numbers of low-IQ, incompatible and criminally-minded foreigners is a very bad idea Let’s not ignore the fact that dumping high numbers of mid- and high-IQ incompatible and in-group-preferring foreigners is also a very bad idea.
Compsci #459823 June 2, 2025 10:37 am -13
It’s a numbers game. The numbers of high IQ, well trained foreigners is probably assimilatable—assuming “chain migration” is halted. Current immigrant stock is not—especially given chain migration law.
Tars Tarkas #459843 June 2, 2025 11:34 am 24
You cannot get them to “assimilate.” They are not us and do not act or think like us. The most you can expect from them is they won’t have high violent crime rates. But that’s just violent crime. Fraud, identity theft and other white collar crimes are common among these groups. Anyone who thinks high IQ people can fit right in and become one of us only need look at Jews and Japanese. They are not us.
Compsci #459894 June 2, 2025 3:35 pm 1
I worked with many of those types at university. They never formed ghettos due to numbers. Their children mixed with typical children of Whites in the primary school system. Not a problem if the numbers stay low wrt the predominant racial majority—and they’re not Black.
Horace #459829 June 2, 2025 10:54 am 16
It’s too late to save ‘the country’ but it is very, very far from being too late for saving our peoples.
Ostei Kozelskii #459847 June 2, 2025 11:43 am 7
Too late for America. Not too late for Western civilization.
Southron #459763 June 2, 2025 8:40 am 40
Have the elites really decided they don’t like the country being flooded with third worlders, or have they sensed the normies have noticed and decided to pretend to shut it down? I’m glad to see the ICE roundups in the news, but it isn’t near enough to undo the damage that has already been done by legal and illegal immigration.
thezman #459766 June 2, 2025 8:45 am 46
Time will tell. My sense is the oligarchs are looking at the economics and have concluded we need to shed tens of millions of newly imported deadbeats. I suspect we no longer have the ability to do it.
Citizen of a Silly Country #459774 June 2, 2025 8:57 am 23
The need to reconfigure the global economy means the US will need to start paying its own way again. Reducing the trade deficit means reducing the huge flow of dollars into US asset markets, particularly treasury bonds. Someone will need to pick up that slack. I often joke the West is like a trust fund kid. Well, the trust fund is running out, so it’s time to live in the real world.
thezman #459780 June 2, 2025 9:09 am 43
One of the great bits of psychological warfare on the American people is that government debt is what has made middle-class life possible. Therefore, any reforms that shrink the state must come out of the pockets of the white middle-class. In reality, the massive debt is used to finance the oligarchs. If we simply eliminated the top five percent of wealthy people, the books could easily be balanced and order restored.
Citizen of a Silly Country #459785 June 2, 2025 9:25 am 29
The Eurodollar system has been a massive boom to US asset holders. All those trillions of dollars in trade deficits flow back into the S&P, treasuries and other (usually liquid) assets, which are owned by the top 5%. The whole system is designed to screw working-class Americans and enrich Wall Street and the wealthy.
Vizzini #459793 June 2, 2025 9:49 am 33
“Privatize the profits, socialize the costs,” has been the mantra of Western business for many decades.
Ed #459856 June 2, 2025 12:05 pm 2
The fact that our nation is broke may have something to do with it. Not even Trump may be able to stave off the effects of our deficit. Fewer illegals may stem the bleeding.
Hemid #459872 June 2, 2025 1:06 pm 7
We’ve not shed even .1% of them, and whoever tells the Speaker of the House what to say has decided that the way to make the budget work is by ending benefits to young white men. I mean,he said it. It’s not like he has his own thoughts. Don’t get optimistic.
Chris #459913 June 2, 2025 7:49 pm 1
When did he say this? I’m not doubting you, I’d just like to get an idea of when, so I can find it.
NoName #459875 June 2, 2025 1:26 pm 1
Z-Man: “My sense is the oligarchs are looking at the economics and have concluded we need to shedtens of millions of newly imported deadbeats.” That would jibe with the original Moderna Bros leak, concerning the multigenerational Follicular Atresia, way back in December of 2020: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/295621351/ “(6) coincides with poor people being obsoleted by AI and robotics, so we didn’t have to dig for motivation”
Jeffrey Zoar #459769 June 2, 2025 8:52 am 17
They sensed that the economic benefit the immigrants were supposed to provide turned out to be the opposite. That’s the only thing that could have made them change their minds.
Marko #459775 June 2, 2025 8:57 am 28
One of the “truisms” that Economics professors told many a Boomer is that a growing economy is a healthy economy. More people means a growing economy. Full stop. Add that to market worship and the blank slate and you can see why we are at the point we are.
Jack Dobson #459804 June 2, 2025 10:02 am 23
I generally cringe when some Boomer cuck quotes Milton Friedman but decades ago he warned that a society either could have open borders or a welfare state. Certain groups thought both were possible.
Alzaebo #459789 June 2, 2025 9:36 am 11
Instead of boosting the economy, more nonwhite bodies has drained the economy. Instead of being the solution, nonwhite immigration is the problem itself.The idea of more strong backs is based on 18th century economics, when more strong backs in a labor-short, empty land were needed.Economically, what broke the Islamic empires were Columbus’ discovery of the New World, and Vasco de Gama’s charting of a route around the Horn of Africa. The Silk Roads to the East saw their revenues slip, and slip, as the Muslims had no blue-water navies. Their Golden Age could no longer fund its great universities. Even slavery were not profit enough.
NoName #459878 June 2, 2025 1:46 pm 2
Alzaebo:“more nonwhite bodies“ The purpose of “more nonwhite bodies” was to destroy Christianity and the White race in the United States. That’s why the j00, Emanuel Celler, gifted us with the 1965 immigration act: to destroy Christianity and the White race.
Xman #459895 June 2, 2025 3:36 pm 4
The only “economic benefit” the immigrants were supposed to bring was that they would be willing to do menial labor for substandard wages, remain submissive, and keep their mouths shut — unlike the white working class, which had the effrontery to think they actually had “rights” and demanded decent wages, safe work conditions, and time off to enjoy life.
TempoNick #459805 June 2, 2025 10:03 am 12
Don Surber the other day said that a recent Pew research poll found that only 16% are against deportation.
TempoNick #459855 June 2, 2025 12:02 pm 3
Here is the link:https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Mycale #459832 June 2, 2025 11:03 am 17
There’s two issues here. One is that the elites are terrified that the next generation of elites is immune to hasbara, hence they are cracking down on the elite factories like Harvard. The other is that they flooded the country with millions of people who have no business being here and it is not just destroying the society but leading to a mass “checking out” of the productive people in society. As for how they feel about both, see that Trump’s admin has gone ballistic on Harvard and Columbia while deportations are underwhelming at best (at least the border is closed). The elite factory crackdown has also gotten minimal judicial pushback (to the point where Harvard is starting to realize that they are basically screwed as long as Trump wants to go after them) while every move Trump has made towards mass deportations has been stymied, even if temporarily.
Carl B. #459859 June 2, 2025 12:22 pm 6
I think Bill Maher described Harvard as an “asshole factory”. Well put, Mr. Maher.
RealityRules #459864 June 2, 2025 12:50 pm 17
He is just playing both sides. The real Maher is the one who sat down with Kisin and his bib-wearing goy in London and raised a toast that, “we did it.” He explicitly celebrated turning London into a non-White international bazaar. That is Bill Maher. His snark should never entertain only further fuel that internal fire that wants to vanquish all foes that seek our eternal demise.
NoName #459882 June 2, 2025 1:54 pm 3
Wikipedia does say that Bill Maher’s mother was an Hungarian j00ess. And his father was a leprechaun. Gee whiz, that’s an helluva a genetic mess right there. Yeesh.
Ostei Kozelskii #459869 June 2, 2025 12:56 pm 1
Well, that’s one assembly line I wouldn’t want to work on!
NoName #459881 June 2, 2025 1:52 pm 0
Mycale, I’ve read your poast a couple of times now, and I can’t make heads nor tails of it, but it feels like you might have a good idea [or a good observation] in there somewhere. Do you think you could dumb down your presentation to the point that I might be able to grok whatever it is that could be encapsulating a kernel of a good idea [or an excellent observation]?
Mycale #459888 June 2, 2025 2:40 pm 4
Elites are very concerned about the next generation of elites not giving a hoot about Israel (or being hostile to it). Hence Trump’s crackdown on Harvard, Columbia, et. al. Harvard has tried to sue the Trump admin but not gotten very far. Elites don’t really care about the broad mass of immigration (or actually like it). Hence Trump’s underwhelming deportation numbers, and the total judicial opposition to any policy Trump implements to try to get rid of people. Both problems are “immigration” related but seem to be going in two different directions.
NoName #459910 June 2, 2025 7:28 pm 0
Okay, I’ve read both of your poasts, and I still don’t understand.Wikipedia has the following article about “Hasbara”:Thepublic diplomacyofIsrael, orhasbara(Hebrew: ההסברה), includesmass communicationand individual interaction withforeign nationalsthroughsocialandtraditional media, as well ascultural diplomacy. Organizations involved include theIDF Spokesperson’s Unit,Prime Minister’s Office,Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and pro-Israeli civil society organizations.Does that sound correct to you?Is hasbara invoked solely to hoodwink White Christians, or is hasbara also invoked to strengthen diaspora unity?And would it be correct if I were to substitute “j00” every time you had typed “elite”?[Meaning, are there any Elite White Christians involved here in your analysis, or are the Elite White Christians at best empty-brained bystanders which lack both agency and accountability?]Is it your opinion that Heritage American White Christians [who created the likes of Harvard & Columbia] are now merely genealogical relics which have no dog in the fight whatsoever?And does your analysis assume that Trump Inc is necessarily a subsidiary of Netanyahu Inc?
NoName #459911 June 2, 2025 7:35 pm 0
Okay, I’ve read both of your poasts, and I still don’t understand.===Wikipedia has the following article about “Hasbara”:===The public diplomacy of Israel, or hasbara (Hebrew: ההסברה), includes mass communication and individual interaction with foreign nationals through social and traditional media, as well as cultural diplomacy. Organizations involved include the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit, Prime Minister’s Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and pro-Israeli civil society organizations.===Does that sound correct to you?===Is hasbara invoked solely to hoodwink White Christians, or is hasbara also invoked to strengthen diaspora unity?===And would it be correct if I were to substitute “j00” every time you had typed “elite”?===[Meaning, are there any Elite White Christians involved here in your analysis, or are the Elite White Christians at best empty-brained bystanders which lack both agency and accountability?]===Is it your opinion that Heritage American White Christians [who created the likes of Harvard & Columbia] are now merely genealogical relics which have no dog in the fight whatsoever?===And does your analysis assume that Trump Inc is necessarily a subsidiary of Netanyahu Inc?===Thanks in advance!!!PS: WordPress just shut down my comment; I don’t know whether you’ll see it.
NoName #459912 June 2, 2025 7:37 pm 0
Dadgummit, WordPress is just completely re-arranging what I’m trying to type. It’s being displayed onscreen as almost unreadable gibberish; the type-setting is simply horrible.
Barnard #459768 June 2, 2025 8:48 am 27
I am starting to wonder if Jamie Dimon has gone rogue from his social circle. He is nearing the end of his time at JP Morgan and he may want to lay down some statements as markers to make it look like he was one of the sane ones. Dimon may understand the cake is already baked and knows the collapse can’t be stopped. The risk to him personally is so low now he feels comfortable speaking up to the press.
Jack Dobson #459790 June 2, 2025 9:37 am 16
The call had gone out before Dimon’s “I’m mad as hell!” moment. Everyone, myself included, just assumed Britain’s Starmer was lying several weeks back with his denouncement of mass migration. It now appears Starmer was acting as a spokesman for his actual boss.
The Wild Geese Howard #459846 June 2, 2025 11:42 am 9
For more than a few years I’ve thought of Dimon as, “the good bad guy.” This is because he seems more partial to the US. He had this attitude well in advance of Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc. I think Dimon takes a lot of pride in leading the House of Morgan and is keenly aware its fortunes are intertwined with the trajectory of the US.
Jack Dobson #459883 June 2, 2025 1:55 pm 5
Much truth here but Dimon also realizes Peak Jew is long past, China isn’t playing fuck-fuck games, and security and gated communities have limitations. It’s actually hilarious in a gallows humor way.
pyrrhus #459771 June 2, 2025 8:53 am 22
America was settled by different groups of people, with different beliefs, in distinct areas of the country…New England and much of the South and Tidewater areas have little in common…So they fought a civil war…The whole American project is going to work better when it breaks up into more cohesive countries….Which Armstrong’s AI predicts will begin in 2033…
pyrrhus #459788 June 2, 2025 9:32 am 7
But once again, countries west of the Hajnal line, between manorial feudalism in England, France, etc. and those areas, like Southern Italy and the Balkans, where kin group allegiance dominated, explains much of the problem…The US was founded by the former group, but most of the new emigrants are from kin group societies that are alien to the “melting pot” theory of nationalism…
Compsci #459818 June 2, 2025 10:27 am 19
“Every day the window on the issue seems to move from the long-held position of open borders to what is now called remigration, the return of migrants to their homelands.”The concept of remigration only address half the problem. What of those who are not recent immigrants? What of those who were granted citizenship by our benighted citizenry in the past and have now form subversive clusters (ghettos) within the polis? What of those who are “native”, but not of the “asabiyyah”?What is needed to address the other half of the problem is “exile”. Beforeasabiyyahthere was the exile. Malcontents were driven from the polis to far off lands (who cares where, just not here)! So we need such today for our native malcontents (Spiteful Mutants). Prisons are not the answer for such malcontents. They need to go somewhere else and found their own polis.Good luck….
3g4me #459837 June 2, 2025 11:18 am 19
No one wants to face thatreality. Those subcons and east asians and mestizos and haitians who began arriving in the late ’60s and 1970s have now spawned 3-4 generations that the average White has been conditioned to consider ‘natural-born’ citizens. There is no fixing this without massive death and destruction.
Compsci #459892 June 2, 2025 3:17 pm 2
Yep. Having a family member killed ends all second guessing.
3g4me #459908 June 2, 2025 5:49 pm 7
You misunderstand me. When Whites have a family member raped or killed by nonwhites, they decry ‘racism’ before their loved one’s body is cold. It teaches them nothing but how to grovel further. I’m speaking of death of the nonwhites and their (w)hite enablers, and destruction of AINO and the anti-White order.
Tired Citizen #459915 June 2, 2025 9:06 pm 0
3g being a realist. This is the unfortunate truth.
Hi-ya #460081 June 4, 2025 6:39 am 0
I want to face it: expel all non whites from North America.
Alzaebo #459845 June 2, 2025 11:40 am 3
If we were serious about this Empire business, we’d loose them on an unprepared world as conquistadors- both the criminal and the insane.If other countries can dump their trash in our yard, well so can we in theirs.
george 1 #459849 June 2, 2025 11:50 am 1
On the remigration front the DHS just stated that their “goal” is 3000 removals per month. Obviously that will get us nowhere.
george 1 #459853 June 2, 2025 11:58 am 0
My mistake. Noem stated the goal is 3000 arrests per day. That won’t be accomplished but even if it was that still will not get us where we need to be.
Compsci #459893 June 2, 2025 3:26 pm 9
Remigration cannot occur strictly through “capture and deport”. Remigration success will depend on voluntary deportation. To do this, we must “sour the milk”. Until we see “illegals” having no access to employment or welfare, we will never see success in significantly reducing their numbers. Current deportation efforts are fine to create uncertainty In those here illegally that they will never become citizens via their entry route and must return home, but it can never be an end in itself—there are just too many already here who are too imbedded to ferret out.
ray #459852 June 2, 2025 11:58 am 1
‘Malcontents were driven from the polis to far off lands’ LOL. Your nation drives ‘her’ heritage men to ‘far off lands’ and rewards princesses, grifters, invaders, and basically anybody who will accept her corrupt ways. You are an inverted nation and an inverted people. A sinister alchemical project. A masonic ant farm.
N.S. Palmer #459772 June 2, 2025 8:54 am 18
“We aren’t machines. Our ability to tolerate difference has limits. The more strongly we disapprove of something, the harder it is for us to tolerate it. That’s why tolerance requires at least some common ground, some shared beliefs, shared loyalty, or shared commitment to the common good. In his 1993 bookPolitical Liberalism, the Harvard philosopher John Rawls wondered:‘How is it possible for there to exist over time a just and stable society of free and equal citizens, who remain profoundly divided by reasonable religious, philosophical, and moral doctrines?’And Rawls concluded:‘In fact, historical experience suggests that it rarely is.'”
Alzaebo #459819 June 2, 2025 10:28 am 14
That’s the weak point, the idea that everybody wants to be “a just and stable society of free and equal citizens,”like white Europeans who readily intermarry.Case in point, Rhodesia and South Africa. On the white side, we have Ingsoc, Orwell’s Oligarchical Socialism, wherein Crown or City Kapitalists install communism to keep the resources cheap and labor costs low. Oppenheimer deBeers, granted special charter by the Crown, pays off its communist satraps in the ANC by way of mining contracts, business concessions, and government contracts.As the South Africans say, “wealth goes out, poverty stays in,” along the lines of the Tudor model the American colonies rebelled against- that of raw materials out, manufactured goods in. The workers remain consumers, same results as the communist model, unable to capitalize on their own resources.More to your point, was the nature of African society. The African order is a contest of which tribe dominates; they each feel entitled to rape the nation for their tribe’s benefit.Rhodesia and South Africa were successful societies as long as Bwana White Man was the uncontested king tribe; the majority of Africans lived on tribal trust lands, uninterested in schools or hospitals as those were only portals to the white world.They neither understood nor cared about “democracy”, only that they could live undisturbed in their traditional ways, since Bwana King would keep their neighbors from raiding. They understand chiefs, but sharing power with another tribe is incomprehensible.Mandela, a minor princeling of the mad Xhosa, angry at the Zulu for enslaving his people, went to the Communists to see if he could win a Swaziland of his own. The Communists, like their brethren in London’s City, saw the same opportunity they had with Mugabe and Ken Kaunda: Crown Ingsoc, Oligarchical Socialism, was installed in both Rhodesia and South Africa under the veneer of “democracy”- the right for a voting majority to conquer the losing side and loot at will.Meanwhile, the tribes war on as gangs, unable to maintain a country they never built.
Ostei Kozelskii #459887 June 2, 2025 2:28 pm 3
I’m surprised to see Rawls had a streak of sanity. However, he omitted one of the key problems of diversity–aesthetics. Normal people much prefer the physical appearance–including garb, hair styles, jewelry, etc.–of their own kind, and become angry or despondent when they instead encounter large numbers of people who look very different. Simultaneously, there is deprivation of the primordial aesthetic embedded in every person’s psyche, and the insinuation of an alien aesthetic. The result is psychological conflict and turmoil, which, if unremitting and widespread, will generate social upheaval.
ray #459778 June 2, 2025 9:05 am 16
‘The newasabiyyahwill grow out of the wreckage of the ideological society’Well it’s a pretty thought, anyhow. I’m not sure how much will be growing after the dust settles on this nightmare.‘Conventional wisdom among the elite on immigration has swung to the opposite side’It’s possible, I don’t claim to know, seems unlikely tho given that globo-immigration still is the agenda of the globalist elite.Rather, I think we’re simply seeing the difference between a Demoncrap Administration (open borders, gifts for invaders that are denied to native citizens, rage against any other opinion) vs. Repugnicant Administration (limited immigration with emphasis on cheap labor for SillyCon Valley and similar haunts).
Arshad Ali #459786 June 2, 2025 9:29 am 14
“The 14th-century Arab historian and sociologist Ibn Khaldun wrote about this thing he calledasabiyyah,which is something like social cohesion or group solidarity. It is the natural desire to cooperate that arises from family and the tribe, which allows for the construction of increasingly complex social structures.”Survival necessitates cooperation among the clan and tribe. Ibn Khaldun uses the example of the Bedouins. I think you’ve summed up the rest of his cyclic theory of history well, but you should mention that it’s not just the assimilation of new people that weakens the asabiyyah but also the life of luxury. Hardship breeds cooperation, trust, a “group soul.” Without that group spirit things start falling apart, first slowly and then with increasing momentum.Ibn Khaldun was an interesting fellow. I keep a copy of hisAl-Muqadimahon my shelf. He prefigured much of the thought of Spengler and Toynbee by centuries. His work will still be around centuries from now, when all this rubbish on post-modernism and cultural diversity has been consigned to the trash bin.With asabiyyah present in a tribal society, the naturally chosen leaders live among the people and have the same lifestyle. Genghis Khan did not live a life of ease and ostentation. This asabiyyah led to the Mongols conquering right up to Europe, just as earlier the desert Arabs successfully invaded the Persian and Byzantine empires.I know you’re a sci-fi reader so you probably know Ibn Khaldun influenced Frank Herbert’sDune, and the notion of Asabiyyah comes through in the recent movie adaptations of the novel as well. The Fremen are tribal people — scum in the minds of the Harkonnens.
ray #459844 June 2, 2025 11:38 am 1
‘I keep a copy of hisAl-Muqadimahon my shelf’ Well there you go. It’s a small world. I’ve got a copy of Al-Mugadimah on my shelf too! :O) heh
usNthem #459815 June 2, 2025 10:25 am 13
There are all sorts of “philias” that need to be ditched by Whites, starting with negro, judeo and migrant, but it’s going to be a long slog. We were in Dallas over the weekend and I’ve never been so happy to be back home out west. The color and diversity is draining. Not a one of our Lyft drivers spoke a word of English…
3g4me #459840 June 2, 2025 11:22 am 15
Why we escaped a few years ago. Over 8 million in the DFW metroplex, fewer than half Whites of any background, and only a smidgen of those with any roots in the area. It’s a miserable place to live for a racially/culturally-aware White.
TomA #459810 June 2, 2025 10:18 am 13
I would argue that a sick society cannot heal until it first rids itself of the disease-causing pathogens. The US and Europe have been intentionally flooded with 3rd World illegals for the purpose of destroying social cohesion and laying the groundwork for extreme civil violence when the gravy train stops running. Native plebs versus barbarian invaders in a mutual bloodbath; with the elites ensconced their hidey holes until the smoke clears. Why have they changed their tune? The advent of drone-sourced accountability.
Alzaebo #459848 June 2, 2025 11:47 am -1
Police drones versus gang drones versus Rebel drones?I can see a sudden need for a whole lot of Ukrainians.May their babes be the entry ticket!
TomA #459857 June 2, 2025 12:15 pm 3
Luigi drones.
Vizzini #459792 June 2, 2025 9:47 am 12
I have noticed a contrast recently. On one hand, you have governments that punish criminals to protect the innocent. On the other hand, you have governments that punish the innocent to protect criminals.“Humans rights” groups are constantly after Bukele for jailing all those criminals and making El Salvador safe for ordinary people for the first time in decades.Meanwhile the UK is jailing people who dare to complain about criminal gangs in their midst.The UK has chosen poorly.I don’t think the US had chosen yet. Many of our most influential urban areas are clearly trending toward the UK model, while other, Whiter areas want to emulate El Salvador.
Eloise #459824 June 2, 2025 10:42 am 2
I just have to laugh. Crime stats for the UK and the US are freely available; the idea that the UK is as bad or worse than the US in terms of crime,especially violent crime, is risible. Britain is not close to the US in terms of diversity, and in terms of crime and social dysfunction the US is truly exceptional. There’s this weird thing with Americans,even dissidents, where you always assume that Europe is worse despite your lying eyes. Keep wishcasting.
3g4me #459833 June 2, 2025 11:07 am 15
The UK is now officially only 70% White – far better than the US at 58%, but still falling fast. Most of the major English cities are now 40% White. You’ve reached the point of no return – just as we have – because Whites stopped having children and more than half of your schoolchildren are now hostile, alien, and brown. That is something no politician can fix. We’re all screwed – and I don’t say that to celebrate, but to mourn.
The Wild Geese Howard #459850 June 2, 2025 11:54 am 7
3g4me- Have you seen the terrifying new stats about the percentage of non-native language speaking children in Austrian primary schools? I’m pretty sure they are cooked.
3g4me #459861 June 2, 2025 12:27 pm 8
Yes. I scan/read fairly widely. I’m just tired of yelling “Fire!” while everyone else assures me it’s just a few wisps of smoke, and they all have water bottles.
NoName #459884 June 2, 2025 2:09 pm 0
The V@xxpocalypse subsumes all of the above concerns [e.g. “percentage of non-native language speaking children”]. At this point, it’s Follicular Atresia Uber Alles. Nothing else matters. https://worldcouncilforhealth.substack.com/p/mrna-vaccines-linked-to-catastrophic https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12031016/ Roughly 80% of the population are now trapped in a “Children of Men” scenario. Only 20% remain Purebl00ded. It’s a perfect 80/20 Pareto Distribution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilfredo_Pareto
Zfan #459874 June 2, 2025 1:22 pm 2
I would not be surprised if Europeans decide that it is too exclusionary to expect migrants to learn the indigenous language and start making English the mandatory lingua franca for natives and migrants, just like the EU uses English instead of one of the native languages. I don’t think I have ever heard von der Leyen or the Baltic EU Foreign Minister ever speak her native language because they both begin and finish addresses in English
rasqball #459834 June 2, 2025 11:08 am 4
In a much simpler time, a time with markedly more “asabiyyah” in the air, my old paps was known to thank the ghosts of our ancestors for having the gumption to leave Europe.(Would he do so today? Perhaps not as readily…)
Alzaebo #459839 June 2, 2025 11:22 am 12
Who is it that goes to gaol for a deleted tweet?Who has Muslims, arses in the air, blocking the street en masse just outside the mosque? Here, only the richest can rape children, not mere Paki scum on the dole.
Hemid #459873 June 2, 2025 1:19 pm 4
In America the “Hispanic” have taken over the rape business. Even our precious crime stats, falser than actresses’ eyelashes, admit it. We have racial castes foreverything. Blacks rob and kill, Mexicans rape, Muslims defraud the government and Indians defraud the people, etc.
Ostei Kozelskii #459901 June 2, 2025 4:54 pm 7
Negroes rape the helluva lot more than anybody else. That’s the only reason rape isn’t classed as a hate crime. Bottom line–any category of social pathology or dysfunction, negroes will lead the pack by a country mile.
Vizzini #459870 June 2, 2025 1:02 pm 2
Did I say crime in the UK was worse? I did not. “I just have to laugh” at people that create their own invented positions to argue with. Get back to me after you make a post on X saying you think all those Muslims with their rape gangs should be rounded up and deported and that the UK should be a White, Christian nation.
Jack Dobson #459885 June 2, 2025 2:09 pm 3
I attribute some of the ignorant bliss to population density. Until only recently most Americans lived in ways that avoided crime and diversity. In the last decade or so they started to self-sort for “better schools” or whatever excuse. That’s good, mind you, but waking up before the invasion was near completion would have been better. I hope the UK sees the horror unfolding here and takes note. I’m not holding my breath, though. Our people have a suicide gene.
Ostei Kozelskii #459897 June 2, 2025 4:18 pm 0
“The UK has chosen poorly.” Well, that bids fair for being the understatement of the 21st century and is not apt to be beaten anytime soon.
Ozornik #459779 June 2, 2025 9:06 am 9
yup… that’s the question on my mind lately – do I feel “asabiyyah-ish”with that repulsive creature called “modern American male”?! That sheep with main interest in playing fantasy sports; the one letting his wife and other ‘bitches’ of his species to run amok; sending his sons to fight wars he has no business in; voting lockstep with TV; seeing joining the union job as a best possible success in life… etc.
Ozornik #459781 June 2, 2025 9:10 am 4
missed important qualifier – “WhiteAmerican male”
Vizzini #459800 June 2, 2025 9:57 am 7
Such people will always make up the bulk of any society. Yes, I feel kinship with them, and a desire to protect them so they can continue to live their quiet, inoffensive lives.
Alzaebo #459841 June 2, 2025 11:25 am 1
Agreed. They ain’t hurtin’ me, just minding their own business.I really don’t mind if someone, somewhere, might be having some honest fun.
Mycale #459784 June 2, 2025 9:19 am 8
I know some people are annoyed by Turchin’s Hari Seldon-esque approach to this, but it’s hard to read his work and not understand just how cooked we are. Our political culture is so degraded that it seems to take pride in our lack ofasabiyyahand sees it as a strength, hence the Obama-era cliche about diversity (which you don’t hear anymore).The Qatari-led project to purge our universities and ruling class of anyone who criticizes Israel is not going to work either, as White people are not going to sign up and die for Zion like they did in 2001-2002 no matter how many brown PhD students get shipped back to their home country. Once you loseasabiyyah, you do not get it back – Rome lost it sometime in the 400s and Southern Italy still is a basketcase.
Tom K #459858 June 2, 2025 12:16 pm 2
You’re right. This country will never form up any kind of asabiyyah as Z is imagining. There was a tiny, tiny approach to it in the 1940s and 50s — what we view now as a halcyon era of social cohesion — but it didn’t come close even then. People bought into the myth of national solidarity that was manufactured by the WASP and Jewish elites. But it was really a gaslighting operation of the entire population. Pre-1860s, we werecloserto Assabiyah in the South andcloserto Asabiya in New England than we’ve ever been before, but not really that close even then.If it happens sometime in the future, it will be hundreds of years away and only among a few groups occupying some small area. I read a book on assabiyah years back. Assabiyah is a cultural spirit that allows a cultural expansion by military conquest to take place. It is far deeper than the ideas of the enlightenment that once united this country. People will always remember the great empire of Murica and that might provide a rationale to reunite the continent at that time, but not under enlightenment standards.
george 1 #459811 June 2, 2025 10:19 am 7
“The newasabiyyahwill grow out of the wreckage of the ideological society.” I hope so but I fear the majority minority and their “Western” enablers may permanently wreck us before we get to asabiyyah.
george 1 #459851 June 2, 2025 11:56 am 0
My mistake. Noem stated a goal of 3000 arrests per day. Still won’t get us where we need to be.
My Comment #459862 June 2, 2025 12:33 pm 4
Some of the elite may be second guessing open borders but open borders has become a religious jihad for good whites in the management class and most of our replacements are not going to support major reimigration.Maybe in a year we will kick out 1 million of the 10 million who came in under Biden but that still leaves up to 58 million (no one really knows because it is racist to know) illegals in the US that aren’t going anywhere. Whites don’t have the stomach for what it would take to initiate massive deportations and judges won’t allow it.
ray #459876 June 2, 2025 1:30 pm 8
Deport the judges with the invaders. Two-fer.
Hemid #459916 June 2, 2025 10:08 pm 1
When tempted to imagine a split between the elite employer class (Randian protagonists) and its professional-class employee enforcers (Randian antagonists), I recommend a glance at the job titles of our famous “oligarchs.” They’re management. Not one capitalist among them.
Redpill Boomer #459814 June 2, 2025 10:24 am 4
Interesting article! Reminds me of Machiavelli’s concept of societal “corruption” which he claimed was very difficult to undo.
Jeffrey Zoar #459797 June 2, 2025 9:54 am 4
Now that the “elites” are coming around to the position of cutting off immigration, the task of the “right” (not to be confused with the “conservatives”) is to push them from there to mass deportation. They’ve already been pushed this far, so it’s plausible. It’s not as if these are principled people we are talking about. They will set their windmill based on which way the wind is blowing. Hope isn’t dead. It’s just flickering weakly.
tashtego #459909 June 2, 2025 6:27 pm 2
I was just thinking about how it’s been a while since I’ve seen a video of a tv newscaster dropping dead during a live broadcast.
Whiskey #459903 June 2, 2025 5:08 pm 2
The reason the judges are pushing back on Dimon et al is that the Judges are from a different group. Mostly not Jewish, mostly non White, mostly Immigrant!They have the power and various Jewish groups and people are finding that Amy Chua’s “World on Fire” book about market dominant minorities getting genocided regularly still holds true even (or especially) under the Colors of Benetton. Jews occupy a profitable niche with power and money. Others from other groups want that power and money and will happily kill to get it.Just yesterday an Egyptian National who overstayed his tourist visa and got extended under Biden set a bunch of elderly Jews on fire in Boulder Colorado. Dems have said “we may never know the motive” but the Trump people have already charged the guy with a hate crime. Since the victims were elderly many may yet still die. You might or might not care about the people of Gaza (I don’t — I figure they wanted a war with Israel and should get one, good and hard) but to set a bunch of elderly Jews on fire or shoot a young Jewish couple in the back means like the Cartels setting up murder ranches in Mexico, other motives are in play.And just as I predicted, this stuff will accelerate. Like serial killers inspiring other serial killers, this stuff will bring out all the Muslim and Left Wing kooks who really, really just want a moral excuse to kill people. So there will be a clash between the Dimons and the Judges on this. [The FT just ran an editoral calling for massive sanctions on Israel and subtly hinted at military force to “Free Gaza” etc. This is basically Keir Starmer and Macron trying to hold off the coming Muslim coups they see coming.] Meanwhile Huckabee (who is good for a laugh now and then) called for a Palestinian State on the Cote de Zure.I love the smell of regime change in the morning. It smells like … victory.
Lewis #459827 June 2, 2025 10:46 am 2
A new social order won’t be created by deliberate design. In the right conditions, it might grow organically from the remains of a dead way of life. It could take a century or more, and it will probably emerge from a religious revival.
Alzaebo #459842 June 2, 2025 11:32 am 2
The Technocracy begs to differ with you on that, friend.
Fakeemail #459809 June 2, 2025 10:18 am 2
As Tevya cried, “TRADITION!” At some point, there is no “on the other hand.”
Paintersforms #459902 June 2, 2025 4:56 pm 1
Maybe it should be surprising that the money men would be the first to notice, since the modern project boils down to binding people together with commerce. Sure, Reason! and all that, but reasonable people would choose prosperity over conflict. Just ask the libertarians. Reasonable people, LOL.Stuff over all else. Says something about the men who came up with it. There are limits to force, to blood, to ideas, to religion— and even greed, we’re finding out.The real question is of the trap, maybe the strong delusion: how do you resist smoking your own dope when everything’s going your way?
Dutchboy #459899 June 2, 2025 4:37 pm 1
The Z Man has pointed out that the attempt to reinstate social cohesion by deporting the hordes who have disrupted it is not going well. The job will be completed some time around doomsday at the present rate. It is probable that such a task is impossible in a rule-following liberal democracy. The new, post-ideological societies will have to be authoritarian to rebuild social cohesion. Better it should be a Franco rather than a Hitler.
Tars Tarkas #459898 June 2, 2025 4:32 pm 1
“With $19 Trillion in debt rolling over in the next year, the money men are right to be worried that they have drained the last drops ofasabiyyahfrom the Western world.” Is this the whole world? That’s a lot of money to roll over in a single year.
GenghisKhan #460633 June 6, 2025 9:04 pm 0
The deeper reason for why complex societies collapse is because Nature always wins in the end. One could take a look at societies, empires and civilizations as parasitic or even superparasitic structures on top of a host named Nature.Like Atlas shrugging off the world, so too does Nature shrug off any complex human organization. In the end, Nature destroys the value of words and language itself, leaving behind a soundless existence in which only small bands of hunter-gatherer types can survive.While many may lament such a reality, as it would lead to close to 99% of the current human population to die out, the consequences of poor or parasitic leadership would be experienced quickly, rather than this moribund decades-long decline.
Karl Horst #459982 June 3, 2025 10:26 am 0
If you want a good understanding of the modern German Bundeswehr, you only need to read the Wikipedia write up on Carsten Breuer. He is the poster boy for everything wrong with the German military leadership and why no European military, especially Germany, has a chance in peer-to-peer combat, let alone a rogue insurgency.Like most Generals in any modern army today, the man has a chest full of ribbons proudly displayed as if he sat next to Rommel in the Battle of Gazala, or drove a tank during the Blitzkrieg, or the lead troops in the Battle of France or Operation Barbarossa.Instead we learn half the medals are, wait for it, participation medals for flood and fire service. I kid you not.This is the perfect example of a top brass desk jockey who probably doesn’t even know which end of a rifle the bullet comes out of. But if asked, can give you precise driving instructions to the the Biergarten near to where he’s currently stationed.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carsten_Breuer
Whiskey #459904 June 2, 2025 5:13 pm -1
Oh noes! Oh noes! Greta Thunberg, the most unattractive retarded Swedish 22 year old (that’s saying a lot) has jumped into the Gaza frenzy in a “rescue boat” sending “aid” (really, arms) to Gaza. Israel — I have not asked for much. Not really. But you would do everone a favor. Think about it Bibi. Count Dankula is now saying “Oh noes. Wha Happen?” in a thick Scottish accent.
Greg Nikolic #459765 June 2, 2025 8:44 am -18
The advantage European-Americans have is a natural flexibility in adjusting to other white ethnic groups. The Irish married the Slovaks who married the English. This natural lubrication may allow places like Iowa and Oregon to rebuild social cohesion whereas California requires a heavily militarized police protection. One can envisage the LAPD patrolling around in steel APCs linked to helicopter gunships in the sky. The slightest resistance and bang you’re dead. — Greg (my blog:http://www.dark.sport.blog)


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