Science Fiction

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When you look at lists of the best science fiction movies, what you see is a mix of recency bias and popular nonsense. Star Wars gets placed near the top because the lists are usually targeted to people who consume corporate slop. Back to the Future is another one on these lists that does not qualify as science fiction. It is a comedy where time travel is the MacGuffin. Of course, this raises the question as to what qualifies as science fiction and what makes for good sci-fi.

Science fiction is speculative fiction that relies on science to create scenarios where questions about the human condition are more easily explored. Artificial intelligence, for example, is useful in telling stories about what it means to be human. We instinctively know a computer program is not human, even if it is able to speak with us like a real human being. That gets to the issue of what separates flesh and blood humans from the artificial versions we are creating.

Heinlein said that science fiction takes what we know now, what we thought we knew before now and then speculates about the future based on a solid understanding of how science advances. Asimov famously said that science fiction is about how humans react to changes in science and technology. Together they make for a good definition of science fiction, which is as much about the science as the fiction. In other words, it is not just drama in space or in the future.

That is why Back to the Future is not science fiction. The time travel business is just a way for the main characters to be funny in unusual situations. The point of the film is to make people laugh, not challenge their views of humanity or technology. Time travel is a MacGuffin, which is a thing or event that moves the story along. The point of the time travel business is to put Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox in wacky situations so they can be wacky and funny together.

Similarly, Star Wars is not science fiction. This has become a controversial statement because the adult children who consume the modern iterations of the franchise like to imagine themselves as science geeks. George Lucas has always described the franchise as a space opera, because it is space opera. Star Wars is consciously melodramatic and formulaic. It could just as easily be set in the Middle Ages or the Old West, but he chose to set the story in space.

In fairness, the Star Trek franchise can also be called space opera. The stories in the television series are the definition of melodramatic and formulaic. While the original series tried to think about the impact of interstellar travel on humanity, subsequent series were standard televisions dramas set in space. The main appeal of the original series was the relationship of the three main characters. That could just as easily have been done on a pirate ship in the 17th century.

That goes to what Heinlein said about science fiction. It has to try to  project scientific progress into the future in a plausible way. We can assume we solved the problems of humans in space, for example, but it must do so in a way that is plausible. For example, we figured out how to shield spacemen from radiation and mitigate the effects of zero gravity on his muscles and bones. That means the humans still struggle with limitations, just different limitations than current humans.

This is why the girl boss phenomenon has killed modern sci-fi. The demand that the main character be a girl boss who never has to struggle to get what she wants and is never allowed to fail defeats the whole purpose of the genre. If science makes it so that girls can beat up men three times their size and they are able to solve every problem with minimum effort, there is no story worth telling. The girl boss turns the genre into a lecture on gender set in space.

That comes to the other part of the formula. It is not enough for the science to make some sense, leaving humans in a familiar conflict. The story has to be compelling. It is why Blade Runner can be called great sci-fi. The science is compelling as it suggests that material progress does not guarantee human happiness. It also delves into the question of what it means to be a human. The ambiguity of Deckard’s true nature and how his story plays out is gripping storytelling.

Of course, films have another aspect and that is the visuals. World building with the written word depends heavily on the reader. With movies, the maker has to do all of the work in order to get the viewer to suspend disbelief. This is another area where the girl boss ruins the project. By definition, girl boss lives outside the physical constraints of the world created for her. This makes that world absurd and pointless. The film becomes a study of girl boss rather than storytelling.

The visuals are why films like Blade Runner and 2001: A Space Odyssey are always at the top of these lists. The science is great, and the fiction is great, but they are also visual masterpieces that have come to define the genre. Many of the common things in space shows were invented by Kubrick. A film about a dystopian future will always mimic the visual sense of Blade Runner. It is why Star Wars works. The look and sound are great, despite being formulaic drama.

One final piece of the puzzle is what the stories are telling us about the current mood regarding science and culture. When Kubrick make 2001: A Space Odyssey, America was optimistic about space on the surface, but also anxious about the ramifications of technological advance. By the 1970’s, that anxiety had subsided only to return in the 1980’s when the microprocessor revolution hit normal Americans. Good science fiction holds a mirror up to the age in which it is produced.

In the end, what matters most is that Star Wars is not science fiction and anyone who argues otherwise should be sent to a camp. Further, there is a debate as to whether Blade Runner or 2001: A Space Odyssey is the best science fiction film, with some room to argue for Alien. The argument against Alien is that it is also a monster movie, so there is a category dispute. Otherwise, your choices for the greatest sci-fil film are down to two and there is no point in debating it.


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RealityRules #458856 May 26, 2025 9:42 am 46
At this point, the purpose of every advertisement, television show, documentary and movie is fourfold:Reward non-White client groups with fiscal and psychological well beingTell Whites that they are conquered and that they no longer have a futureQuell the disquiet Whites feel about what is happening to them, but who in their ignorance can’t figure out what it is. In virtual reality, the world is even better when you are being replaced, so replace the unease with a cope and a delusion that it is all going to be smiles and rainbows.Combine points 1-3 to further humiliate and demoralize Whites, worsening their spiritual health and increasing their propensity to acquiesce to their destruction.The genre doesn’t matter. Making money doesn’t matter. The people who surrounded the great ice cream cone licker and bought his auto pen want you gone. They gave him his slogan: “Finish The Job” All of their propaganda, iconoclasm and iconography is toward that aim.
Barney Rubble #458859 May 26, 2025 9:51 am 39
I have a “No Negro” policy when it comes to TV and movies. The Mrs starts scrolling through the offerings on the Roku and I keep barking “next, next, next…”
mikebravo #458864 May 26, 2025 10:03 am 20
Same here. No negros and no damp eyed harlots in the ad picture.
Ostei Kozelskii #458871 May 26, 2025 10:11 am 28
You must do the helluva lot of barking. The only film genre I’m watching these days is the Western, in no small measure because it is blissfully free of Hutus on horseback–Woody Strode being the odd counterexample. Of course, this rules out more contemporary examples, virtually everything since, say, 3:10 to Yuma (2007). This Memorial Day weekend I took in the trifecta of High Noon (1952), She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949) and Red River (1948). Mos’ satisfyin’. Call it the bearable whiteness of being.
Boris #458926 May 26, 2025 11:45 am 9
Yes! 2007’s 3:10 to Yuma is the best remake of a Western ever IMO. //Spoiler Alert// I liked the more realistic downer ending vs the upbeat ending in the original, though it was great seeing Glenn Ford as a bad guy. Ever watch the Spaghetti Western trifecta? Most folks like TGTBATU best but I always preferred For a Few Dollars More. A little less cheeky and much more violent. The character Indio from FAFDM is one of the most underrated bad guys in the Western genre IMO. What a nasty, evil SOB he is.
Jeffrey Zoar #458930 May 26, 2025 11:55 am 4
The actor who played Indio was an active communist. He did a great job
Ostei Kozelskii #458949 May 26, 2025 12:48 pm 3
I think the vast majority of Euro actors at that time–second half of the sixties–were commies.
Ostei Kozelskii #458948 May 26, 2025 12:47 pm 7
Heresy, I know, but I also prefer the newer version of 3:10. For a Few Dollars More may be my favorite Western of ’em all. Gian Maria Volante’s Indio is a reptillian villain. And if you don’t love Lee van Cleef, you should be sent to a camp.
Gstaud #458988 May 26, 2025 6:10 pm 2
I looked for years before finding a yellow meershaum pipe like the one the colonel smoked. I just need a Klaus Kinksi hunchback to light a match on
Ostei Kozelskii #459008 May 26, 2025 9:40 pm 1
Ha! Great scene. Colonel: “I usually smoke after I eat. Come back in about 10 minutes.” Hunchback: “In 10 minutes you’ll be smokin’ in Hell!”
The Wild Geese Howard #458997 May 26, 2025 7:35 pm 1
Heresy, I know, but I also prefer the newer version of 3:10. The newer version of 3:10 to Yuma works so well because of a young Ben Foster’s awesome performance as Charlie Prince, the sadistic second in command of Ben Wade’s gang who easily slides into the top slot to try and prevent Wade from seeing a long stint in prison.
Ostei Kozelskii #459009 May 26, 2025 9:42 pm 1
Foster sure gets plenty of praise, alright. Almost as much as Kilmer as Doc Holiday in Tombstone.
Xin Loi #459017 May 27, 2025 5:57 am 1
“I also commend to Your keeping the soul of Rome Clay – late Brigadier General, Confederate States Army – known to his comrades here, sir, as Trooper John Smith, United States Cavalry – a gallant soldier and a Christian gentleman..”
Steve W #459186 May 27, 2025 4:53 pm 0
I do the same thing. Sadly, my wife likes those miniseries “set” in Bourbon France, Tudor England, Habsburg Spain, and such like, Of course blacks and homos everywhere. When she settles on one of these, I “put on my walkin’ shoes”. I used to tell her, hey, as long as you know that what you are watching isnot history, have at it. But then it started pissing her off, so now I just make myself scarce, sans comment.
Xman #458893 May 26, 2025 10:31 am 23
Yep. It’s not just girl bosses and it’s not just science fiction. Every single television show, drama, movie or advertisement features women and Negroes in positions of power and authority over stupid white men. It’s insufferable. I don’t deliberately watch any of it but I see it peripherally and in passing, and it’s such obviously unrealistic propaganda it practically makes me scream.I was sick of this shit decades ago. Back in the 1990s my wife dragged me to the theater to see some Tom Hanks film about a holy Negro on death row breathing magic green goo on everyone. It was utterly ridiculous.I’ve only been to the theater twice in the past 20 years. I sawGran Torino, and then the Clint Eastwood movie about the fat moron who was framed by the FBI for the 1996 Atlanta bombing.(The movies were OK but the theater experience sucked, I hated the crowd, the parking and the endless previews and huckstering before the movies actually started).
Bloated Boomer #458908 May 26, 2025 11:02 am 3
What did you think of Gran Torino? It gets a beating in the wider bigot-osphere for being racially cucky but I quite liked it.
Xman #458941 May 26, 2025 12:25 pm 1
It was OK. I like most Clint flicks.
NoName #458953 May 26, 2025 1:12 pm 9
Josey Wales was muh favorite movie, until very recently, when I learned that Sandra Locke got pregnant just before the movie started filming, at which point she opted to have an abortion. Now I can’t even enjoy Josey Wales anymore. Hopefully we’ll always have “Patton”.
Jeffrey Zoar #458960 May 26, 2025 1:32 pm 4
I got the gold right here pa!
Xman #459012 May 26, 2025 10:20 pm 5
I never thought much of her, she’s not beautiful and she’s not a great actress. I don’t know what Clint saw in her but pussy does strange things to otherwise intelligent men.I heard something about the abortion, but I don’t really follow these celebrities much. It’s very disappointing.Clint was a Hollywood Republican, and people tend to forget that rich, liberal Republicans were really the ones behind abortion in the 1960s and 1970s. Ronald Reagan and Nelson Rockefeller signed abortion into law in California and New York beforeRoe v. Wadewas decided in 1973. Harry Blackmun, a Minnesota Republican and Nixon appointee, wrote the decision. Goldwater was pro-choice and pro-fag. The Bushes were big Planned Parenthood supporters.I like most of Clint’s movies, but I don’t idolize actors and actresses, I think that’s stupid. They’re all narcissists on some level.
Ostei Kozelskii #459091 May 27, 2025 10:11 am 2
My understanding is that Clint is a libertarian. Also an atheist. But he doesn’t seem to be an anti-white racist, and he models white masculinity, so he’s worthy of respect in my book.
RealityRules #458961 May 26, 2025 2:00 pm 2
https://odysee.com/@WyattStagg:e/Gran-Torino-and-the-Subversion-of-Heroism-(2):8
Lettie #458917 May 26, 2025 11:25 am 22
I was a big fan of LOTR,Peter Jackson version, because I loved all the books. I went to The Hobbit (2012), got my usual popcorn and Diet Coke. The whole thing including ticket cost about $35, which I thought was a lot at the time. Only to sit and watch the movie feeling absolutely betrayed and horrified by what was done. I vowed while sitting there that I would never go to another movie at the theater. I’ve only broken that vow once. Went to Ford vs. Ferrari because I’m a big Christian Bale fan, and my brother wanted to go. I thought it was good. Didn’t get any snacks though, because I didn’t want to bend too far.Of course, I would never even consider the dreck that they offer us now. It’s hard to even watch the reviews by the youtube bloggers, which are overwhelmingly negative, because just watching clips is so disgusting. ZMAN is right. The girl boss phenomena is anti-human.
Robbo #458920 May 26, 2025 11:30 am 6
Jackson turned the Hobbit and LOTR into Dungeons and Dragons.
New New Mexico #458939 May 26, 2025 12:09 pm 0
He Celtified it.
Hokkoda #458995 May 26, 2025 6:52 pm 4
He turned the first one into … a musical? I realize the books are loaded with poems and songs, but it’s understood that you skip over those. The Hobbit was and is an abomination. Someday, perhaps already, someone will splice all three films into a 4-4.5 hr single edit. There is one reasonably solid movie in that 9 hrs of film. Making it into three movies was nothing less than a shameless cash grab.
Jeffrey Zoar #458928 May 26, 2025 11:53 am 0
The buttered popcorn is the only reason to go to the theater
NoName #458993 May 26, 2025 6:33 pm 0
Lettie: “ZMAN is right. The girl boss phenomena is anti-human.“ The Lady MacBeth Syndrome. The Black Widow who is hellbent on wearing the pants in the fambly. If left to its own devices, the Lady MacBeth Syndrome is fully capable of obliterating the entirety of Western Civilization. Setting aside the V@xxpocalypse and the possiblity of Thermonukular War, nothing else worries me quite like the cold heartless unflinching march ofLady MacBeth through the various institutions of the land.
NoName #458994 May 26, 2025 6:49 pm 2
Xman #459013 May 26, 2025 10:24 pm 0
She’s very Jewish-looking.
Ploppy #459016 May 27, 2025 12:36 am 3
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.
Templar #458975 May 26, 2025 3:32 pm 8
Every single television show, drama, movie or advertisement features women and Negroes in positions of power and authority over white men.Blade Runner 2049does something rather interesting with that. As a replicant, Ryan Gosling’s “Officer K” character is faster and stronger and tougher (and apparently smarter) than normal humans, so to keep him subservient to his girlboss superior in the LAPD, he has to undergo daily psychological conditioning, lest he become rebellious over the fact of his innate superiority to those who would exploit his abilities for their own ends. The plight of the modern white man in a nutshell…
NoName #458962 May 26, 2025 2:07 pm 3
Reality Rules:“At this point, the purpose of every advertisement, television show, documentary and movie is fourfold: Reward non-White client groups with fiscal and psychological well being Tell Whites that they are conquered and that they no longer have a future…”To this day, I am convinced that somebody ‘In The Know’ [perhaps in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service?] got together with the writers for Stargate SG-1, to write the episodes “2010” and “2001”, as a warning to nerds like us NOT to submit to the v@xxine.2010https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1_season_4#ep822001https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1_season_5#ep98Those two episodes of SG-1 pretty much laid out the entire plan [& purpose] of the 2020 V@xxpocalypse.I don’t know how any SG-1 aficionado could possibly have submitted to the COVID-v@xxines.
Alzaebo #458852 May 26, 2025 9:34 am 20
How in holy nebulas did you miss the most pertinant one for our time,Terminator. Maybe I’ve been watching a little too much Boston Dynamics, Luckey Palmer, and X.AI vids, but this is starting scare the bejeezus out of yours truly. Gaming streamer Asmongold has an update: video AI has jumped to the point where it is indistinguishable from film. He has a short clip titled, “It’s all over,” and declares that in two years, nothing we see onscreen will be real.
Bloated Boomer #458861 May 26, 2025 9:55 am 4
Any theories as to Asmon’s bloodlust for Palestinians?Maybe his mom is a happy clapper evangelical or something. The Terminators were great movies, even if they don’t qualify as sci fi.
thezman #458881 May 26, 2025 10:20 am 15
The first Terminator was a fun movie but all time travel stories suffer from the paradox of time travel. They got around it in the first film by making the time travel essential to the future, but logically there was no real conflict. If future John Connor is the product of Kyle and his mother, then logically the Terminator must fail in his mission. He must always fail.
oldcoyote #458906 May 26, 2025 10:55 am 9
The paradox of time travel only exists if we accept the explanations of physics given us from the masters of the chalkboards, as Tesla called them.
Chad #458918 May 26, 2025 11:27 am 8
The first Terminator is a bootstrap paradox. If Skynet didn’t try to kill Sarah Connor using time travel, John Connor would never exist and neither would Skynet. Terminator 2 adds further paradox since they have seemingly prevented Skynet’s development which makes John Connor’s existence non-causal. All subsequent Terminator films went completely mindless on time travel consistency. Time travel is more of a logical conundrum than a science fiction.
Ganderson #459022 May 27, 2025 7:02 am 1
“We’ll hide the keys later “* ”Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure” is my favorite time travel movie. * quoted from memory
oldcoyote #458904 May 26, 2025 10:53 am 2
How is AI “onscreen” less real than Hollywood “onscreen” real? And I would argue that AI “onscreen” benefits innocents who are raped and abused to get their bodies “onscreen”. I am already at the point I do not believe ANYTHING the mass media puts “onscreen”. How many Joe Bidens? Was the Trump “onscreen” with Rogan somehow a foot shorter than the Trump we see elsewhere? Reality is what I can touch and feel.
Jeffrey Zoar #458911 May 26, 2025 11:12 am 4
re: the shrinking Trump, it’s hardly unusual for old men to shrink. He’s about that age.
oldcoyote #458998 May 26, 2025 7:36 pm 0
too funny, too sad: so the next week on screen he is back to 6 ft plus? lolz.
Bilejones #458984 May 26, 2025 4:54 pm -1
“It’s all over,” and declares that in two years, nothing we see onscreen will be real. Does that mean all of Hollywood will need to learn to Coal?
The Wild Geese Howard #459000 May 26, 2025 7:47 pm 0
Az- Asmongold and many others are reacting to the eerie new footage from Google’s Veo 3 tool, which seems to give voice and face to the ghosts in the machine. As forTerminator, there is already real-world drone shootdown footage from Ukraine that looks exactly like the Hunter-Killer aerial drone shootdowns at the beginning ofThe TerminatorandT2.
Carl B. #458870 May 26, 2025 10:09 am 19
Time travel may be a “MacGuffin” but 1960’s “The Time Machine”(H.G. Wells)is one of my favorite Sci-fi films of all time. The portrayal of the “Eloi” and the “Morlocks” was truly inspired. Also must mention “Forbidden Planet”, a good film for its day.
Robbo #458923 May 26, 2025 11:35 am 5
The film wasn’t bad but I’d rate the original short story as one of the greatest of all time. We had to read it in high school and it’s haunted me ever since, especially as it takes place in the part of England where I grew up.
Montefrío #458946 May 26, 2025 12:35 pm 8
Heartily concur with “Forbidden Planet”! Sa it at the theatre when I was ten, never forgot it. The special effects were astonishing for 1956, the “monster from the id” was a fascinating concept for a ten year old, the “monster” itself was quite the sight to see when it “appeared” while attacking the electronic security fence… I rate it as equal to either of the two “big boys” and it was the first science fiction movie I recommended to my two grandsons. As soon as the granddaughter (now seven) is old enough, she will find herself watching it with Grandpa explaining things young children don’t quite “get: yet.
Hemid #458950 May 26, 2025 12:55 pm 1
Forbidden Planet gets increasingly strange as its futuristic parts age. The music and visuals are more foreign now than they were then. And it’s quaintly wise.Nobody today has Shakespearean (or even Freudian) ideas about technology’s effects on people. We’re not that smart—the “tech bros” especially not. A remake where the girl is a bitch and her father rapes her has been threatened for decades. Fortunately James Cameron will die before he can inflict it on us. And the title has no “resonance” with the market anymore, so it might never be defiled.
Carl B. #458980 May 26, 2025 4:31 pm 4
I think the Number One sci-fi novel of all time and its story about “technology’s effects on people” is “Frankenstein” .
Barney Rubble #458992 May 26, 2025 6:31 pm 2
The treatment of Frankenstein in the HBO series “Penny Dreadful” was superb. Goofy premise, but very well executed. As I recall, the only POCs in the show were an African explorer’s man-servant and a stoic Injun. Not bad by modern PC standards.
NoName #458996 May 26, 2025 7:02 pm 0
Carl B…The portrayal of the “Eloi” and the “Morlocks”… Jeremy Irons stole the show as the “Uber-Morlock”. Ultra Darwinian; highly reminiscent of our current plight regarding the V@xxpocalypse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rXrUrDZmVM
TomC #458842 May 26, 2025 9:14 am 19
So Space Balls doesn’t make the cut?
Marko #458849 May 26, 2025 9:27 am 5
I often wonder whySpaceballsworked butRobin Hood: Men in Tightsdid not. They are basically the same madcap Jewish-humor spoof film, but Spaceballs feels more fun and improvisational. Sometime afterThe Naked Gun, slapstick got really cringey. Now slapstick is only consumed by black people.
NoName #458860 May 26, 2025 9:54 am 0
Within the slapstick genre… In Little River, South Carolina, kneegrowz rent a boat for Memorial Day. Hijinks ensue…https://tinyurl.com/5ye69y25 VIDYA:https://tinyurl.com/ms5kktpf Is there a dystopian version of Science Fiction, wherein the Tech is all degrading&falling apart&no one is smart enough to repair anything anymoar, and the hominids keep getting stoopider &stoopider & stoopider, until they start to resemble full blown “Hominidae“? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae “Crab mentality” might also be apropos… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
Marko #458981 May 26, 2025 4:34 pm 1
Okaaaay
cthoms #458876 May 26, 2025 10:15 am 2
Not sure about Spaceballs but I’ll fight to the death over Space Truckers.
mmack #458844 May 26, 2025 9:16 am 17
“Star Wars” is consciously melodramatic and formulaic. It could just as easily be set in the Middle Ages or the Old West, but he chose to set the story in space.I’ve related before that nearly 25 years ago I went to an exhibit at the Field Museum in Chicago based on the first threeStar Warsmovies. I took a gal that I was dating at the time with me.While it was cool to see the costumes and the models they used in filming, what was also interesting was written and visual commentary from the museum curators. In that commentary they pointed out how much ofStar Warsdrew from classic mythology stretching back to the beginning of recorded time:The young hero chosen for a great questThe priest, mystic, or wizard who identifies, trains, and guides himThe hero gathers to him a group to aid him in his questThe hero/group trains to face a great evil / complete their questThe hero may have to face and fight other dangers on their questThe hero must fight and defeat the great evilThey gave examples from all humanity of tales, fables, and myths that supported the central thesis.What was different aboutStar Warswas it showed technology and fantasy wasn’t clean, neat, and spotless. The Millennium Falcon and other spaceships were dirty, dented, and faded. Luke lived on a desert planet and Mos Eisley was a dusty, worn out place that would’ve fit in a Western movie.
ray #458854 May 26, 2025 9:40 am 5
Yes, consciously patterned after the Hero’s Journey, JoJo Campbell et al. It’s not original storytelling but coheres and lasts as a (superior) definition of a superior time.
Captain Willard #458898 May 26, 2025 10:45 am 6
Lucas makes no secret of his regard for and conversations with Campbell.
Tarl Cabot #458867 May 26, 2025 10:05 am 8
I have always said Star Wars was a dumbed-down Dune, and then we got a dumbed-down Dune, complete with the girlboss. The visuals almost redeemed both, though. Almost. btw, if you want a really good, lesser known film, Sunshine.
Clayton Barnett #458883 May 26, 2025 10:20 am 7
Star Warswas a clean lift fromThe Hidden Fortress.I’m surprised Kurosawa didn’t sue the shit out of Lucasfilms for copyright violation.
Captain Willard #458897 May 26, 2025 10:44 am 6
Yes! R2D2 and C3PO are modeled after the fools who attend to the great Toshiro Mifune’s character in The Hidden Fortress. Kurosawa did indeed successfully sue Sergio Leone for ripping off Yojimbo and turning it into Fistfull of Dollars.
Karl Horst #458892 May 26, 2025 10:27 am 15
I thought the “The Expanse” was a really great sci-fi series. One of the few where diversity actually made sense and worked quite well. There were three main groups of humans; those who have to deal with a failing earth, those who have colonized Mars and see “earthers” as a potential enemy and a third group who have adapted to their low gravity working environment in the outer ring. No transporters, no warp drives, no blasters and no weird super-human aliens trying to kill everyone. Just a decent script, some pretty good acting and an engaging story.
Templar #458969 May 26, 2025 3:16 pm 3
…no weird super-human aliens trying to kill everyone. The protomolecule doesn’t count?
Karl Horst #459015 May 27, 2025 12:10 am 0
Technically, it was an ancient biological weapon, not an alien life form. “The Protomolecule was sent by an alien civilization inside an interstellar asteroïd 2 billion years ago. This asteroïd was captured by Saturn’s gravity to become one of its many moons we called Phoebe. Yet its intended destination was Earth. It is initially seen as a weapon since infected humans die.” https://expanse.fandom.com/wiki/Protomolecule
karl von hungus #459020 May 27, 2025 6:51 am 1
this show has the most realistic space flight and battle scenes. good story arc too.
Marko #458845 May 26, 2025 9:19 am 15
I guess it comes down to whether you think sci-fi should be depressing, or not.2001, Blade Runner, Gattaca, The Children of Men, are. All moody and plodding. Art house stuff.I have topreparemyself to see a film like Blade Runner.At the risk of sounding like a normie, though, Schwarzenegger IMO was the best sci-fi actor of all time, and perhaps was in the best sci-fi films of all time. Terminator II, Predator, The Running Man, Total Recall. All fantastic and re-watchable. Definitely not art house, but serious enough and not total brain-dead crap like you see out of JJ Abrams.
Bloated Boomer #458865 May 26, 2025 10:03 am 1
I remembered Total Recall being a lot deeper and labyrinthine than I found it in my recent rewatch.
Jeffrey Zoar #458934 May 26, 2025 12:02 pm 3
The novel was better. I’d say the best thing Stephen King ever wrote. Which isn’t saying much
ray #458944 May 26, 2025 12:31 pm -1
Arnold sold his gonies to the Shriver family. Gutless punk.
roo_ster #458843 May 26, 2025 9:16 am 14
Took me three attempts to get through 2001 without falling asleep. Only film to do that so I guess that makes it great. Bladerunner is tops for scifi IMO. Agree on Star wars/trek. Aliens will be monsters so Alien qualifies. Asimov is over-rated and the genre would lose nothing had he never been born.
Jeffrey Zoar #458848 May 26, 2025 9:26 am 7
It was for the Asimov comment that I upvoted you
Filthie #458869 May 26, 2025 10:09 am 5
Well ya gotta remember that you guys are looking at him from 2025. I was buying his novels as he wrote them as a kid and the greats were all still alive and writing. By today’s standards he must look really lame I suppose? Sometimes I read Vox Day and of his heroic battles with his fellow sci-fi and fantasy geeks…and it boggles the mind to think Asimov is not the worst of the lot… not by a long shot!😂👍 I don’t think you could even sell real sci-fi in today’s market. It would go over everyone’s head…
Jeffrey Zoar #458913 May 26, 2025 11:16 am 1
There are plenty of other mid 20th century scifi writers besides Asimov whom I praise. It’s not about his times.
Alzaebo #458855 May 26, 2025 9:40 am 4
I stayed up to watch 2001 as a rerun, telling the missus this was the classic that started it all. The wifehatedit. She cursed me for keeping her awake.
Hemid #458947 May 26, 2025 12:39 pm 5
Women enjoying a movie disqualifies it as science fiction. They don’t even like the romantic ones like Blade Runner and Solaris. 2001 is somewhatlikespace travel, which women don’t care about at all. Even female astronauts don’t.
Jeffrey Zoar #458956 May 26, 2025 1:16 pm 0
HAL 9000 was the only thing 2001 had going for it. Take it out, the movie bombs, and it doesn’t make any of these lists either.
The Wild Geese Howard #459001 May 26, 2025 7:50 pm 3
The sequel film2010was actually pretty well done and worth watching. Roy Scheider, John Lithgow, and Richard Dreyfus all give good performances. It also plays on a solid sense of Cold War paranoia from the early/mid-80s.
Templar #459146 May 27, 2025 1:09 pm 1
Can concur. I really enjoyed2010, particularly the sub-plot dealing with HAL-9000’s seeming insanity and its ultimate cause.
Johnny Ducati #458850 May 26, 2025 9:27 am 13
I’d love to see more Heinlein novels adapted into screenplays, assuming they retained all the misogyny.
Alzaebo #458857 May 26, 2025 9:43 am 3
Starship Troopers, a classic WWII propaganda film!All it was missing was Bing Crosby crooning a big showtune.
NoName #458872 May 26, 2025 10:12 am 3
I know we’re supposed to roll our eyes at Starship Troopers, but “S.T.” was the last j00vie I ever saw with beautiful young White women wanting desperately to get “it” on with handsome young White men.[Caveat: I haven’t been in a j00vie theater in 15 years, so I have no idea what j00vies are like these days.]Starship Troopers was also the only j00vie I ever saw which gave me the feeling that, “Uh-oh, we might ackshually LOSE this war!!!!!”There’s something about the omnipresent threat of absolute extinction of the species which necessarily heightens the sense of a primordially existential eroticism.It probably also has something to do with why so many women so very much enjoy watching prize fighters beating one another to death in the boxing ring.
Johnny Ducati #458909 May 26, 2025 11:04 am 5
I don’t think we watched the same movie. I watched a campy satire of Heinlein’s novel.
NoName #458915 May 26, 2025 11:18 am 0
But it was precisely the campyEROTICISMwhich made the movie work. No EROTICISM means no P.I.V. means no descendants means extinction*** of the species. http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PIV tl;dr == There has to be something we’re fighting for, else we might as well let the d@mned aliens eat us for dinner. —————————————- ***Which is pretty close to where we are now, given all the new peer-reviewed papers regarding the V@xxpocalypse. HINT: Multi-Generational Follicular Atresia…
NoName #458951 May 26, 2025 12:58 pm 0
This is precisely what we’re fighting for… We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children, because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth. Necessarily Eroticism [to be followed by natural vaginal childbirth] must be at the very heart of Sci Fi. In the absence of Eroticism, Sci-Fi doesn’t even rise to the level of sheer purposeless nihilism.
The Wild Geese Howard #459002 May 26, 2025 7:53 pm 3
Young Dina Meyer was quite the looker, even when they tried to dirty her up inJohnny Mnemonic. She was not quite an, “it girl,” of the mid to late-90s, much like Julianna Hatfield was in music.
NoName #459023 May 27, 2025 7:15 am 0
The bizarre thing about Dina Meyer is that [apparently] she’s a full-bl00ded j00ess. She’s gotta be amongst the very least j00ey-looking j00esses I’ve ever seen make a living as an actress. She looks exactly like a ditzy SoCal surfboarding bish. I wonder if she underwent massive plastic surgery so that she could pass as a shiksa? And she certainly doesn’t have D-Cup khazarian milkers. Very very weird. I wonder is she’s ackshually a shiksa who faked her way through an Hollyweird career, pretending to be a j00ess?
Templar #459148 May 27, 2025 1:13 pm 0
That begs the question: if a “Jew” has so little Jewish DNA that he or she looks 100% White, and Jewish identity is primarily genetic…
Templar #459152 May 27, 2025 1:30 pm 1
It’s not really a satire in any meaningful sense. Verhoeven seemed to think that putting attractive blond men and women onscreen in vaguelyWehrmacht-esque uniforms made the film satirical, but it fails on that count because he never bothered to establish that there’s anything sinister or malignant about the Federation (unless one assumes that happy healthy white people are sinister and threatening, I guess).
Henry Lee #458873 May 26, 2025 10:12 am 12
Speaking of little girls beating up big men, in one of his novels, Robert Parker has his hero decking a Karate girl after she kicks him in the balls. She’s puzzled. She says that that should have ended it. He replied that it had happened to him before and knew that he would get over it. She gave him some feminist nonsense, but he replied that in the end, a good big person will always beat a good small person.
Clayton Barnett #458889 May 26, 2025 10:26 am 1
One of the reasons I have a main character, demi-human Faustina Hartmann, say “I’m a twenty-year-old girl. I can out think any of you, but a sixteen-year-old recruit can drop me in a second.” So, there’s the fiction of demi-humans, but also the science that the notion of a grrl boss is seriously stupid shit.
Robbo #458924 May 26, 2025 11:36 am 11
They THINK they can out-think us, but they can’t. Ever noticed how even today, all the inventors of the real cutting edge stuff (no, I don’t mean non-binary scissors) are still men?
Ostei Kozelskii #458929 May 26, 2025 11:54 am 10
The percentage of women who have the quantitative ability to do science at a high level is vanishingly small. Now in verbal ability, on the other hand, the dames may actually have a slight advantage over us, but mainly on average. Most people who have extraordinarily high verbal ability are men.
Bilejones #458986 May 26, 2025 5:03 pm 3
Women speak 18-20 k words per dayMen 7-8 k.
Ostei Kozelskii #459010 May 26, 2025 9:45 pm 2
I speak 80 on a voluble day…
ray #458853 May 26, 2025 9:35 am 10
‘The demand that the main character be a girl boss who never has to struggle to get what she wants and is never allowed to fail defeats the whole purpose of the genre’However, the girlboss requirement is true to real life. What is portrayed in ‘Snow White’ and ‘Barbie’ is precisely what transpired in America and her satellite nations.Females took over, by vast preference and empowerment. Meaning they’re weaponized for destruction, because largely incompetent due to that lifelong entitlement.As for Heinlein, ‘Stranger in a Strange Land’ was, like ‘Lord of the Rings’, an underground legend in U.S. colleges of the early Sixties. ‘Stranger’ was highly influential concerning the Sexual Revolution and revolutionary cultural changes. Basically, what your country is now.Heinlein’s presentation of Michael smacks heavily of Gnosticism and Thelema, and not surprisingly ole Open Marriage Bob was buds with Rocket Jeck Parsons and L. Ron ‘Mother’ Hubbard.Yeah Bob did a lot of damage the shithead.
Firewire7 #458901 May 26, 2025 10:48 am 3
Little known fact: the word GROK first appears in Stranger in a strange land. It means to deeply understand and empathize on multiple levels.Proving there is nothing new under the sun.
ray #458952 May 26, 2025 1:10 pm 0
Nobody remembers nowadays but SISL was the counterculture’s bible during the initial parts of the movement. Hugely influential book but hey Bob, what happened to Jesus? :O)
Captain Willard #458903 May 26, 2025 10:50 am 4
All true. But if we just adopted Heinlein’s basic idea of TANSTAAFL we would be better off.
Tykebomb #458851 May 26, 2025 9:30 am 10
Both Star Wars and Star Trek emerged as America was killing the Western as a genre. So they are adaptions of the Western into space. Star Trek is what’s called a “wagon train” story. Star Wars has all the set design of a Western.
thezman #458879 May 26, 2025 10:18 am 13
I have always compared the original Star Trek to a pirate movie. The story is about the three men at the center of it and their adventures are how we learn about them and their relationship. Star Trek actually tried to be decent science fiction in the original, but they have limited resources and the studios wanted safe predictable content. Subsequent iterations of the franchise are corporate office in space, remote branch office in space and human resources in space.
Robbo #458921 May 26, 2025 11:34 am -11
True, but I still get the hots over Lt Uhuru even if she was the first DEI hire in space.
Ostei Kozelskii #458927 May 26, 2025 11:51 am 8
Dude…
Jeffrey Zoar #458933 May 26, 2025 12:00 pm 4
of all the hotties on the original ST
Boris #458937 May 26, 2025 12:04 pm 15
Lt Uhuru over Yeoman Rand? Double Dude.
NoName #459019 May 27, 2025 6:43 am 2
Oil Drillers gonna drill Oil… Mudsharks gonna mudshark…
Vince #459024 May 27, 2025 7:18 am 3
Agreed, Yeoman Rand by a mile.
Pickle Rick #458925 May 26, 2025 11:44 am 10
Star Trek was the great 17th and 18th century explorers, scientists, and naval officers set in space. Think Captain Cook and Darwin, not Captain Kidd.
ray #458943 May 26, 2025 12:29 pm 5
Can we send Human Resources to space immediately? Thanking you in advance.
Bilejones #458987 May 26, 2025 5:05 pm 5
I think All HR depts should go back to their roots.Call them Payroll and have them do nothing else.
NoName #458958 May 26, 2025 1:25 pm 4
The original Star Trek was the work of Lucille Ball, who, together with her husband, Desi Arnaz, created the Desilu production company. Lucille Ball was one of the great unsung heroines of the 20th Century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu We in the 21st Century sure could use an whole helluva lot moar dames like Lucille Ball. She was one seriously righteous broad.
Hokkoda #458990 May 26, 2025 6:25 pm 0
…Horatio Hornblower says “Hi”…
Oswald Spengler #459014 May 27, 2025 12:07 am 1
Occasionally, Picard and Sisko — the CO characters in ST:TNG and ST:DS9 — envied the freedom of action and independence from Starfleet rules and regulations earlier commanders like Captain Kirk enjoyed.
Jack Boniface #458874 May 26, 2025 10:12 am 9
The original Star Trek used some of the early great SF writers, including Harlan Ellison, Norman Spinrad, Theodore Sturgeon, Robert Bloch and Richard Matheson. It also obviously was influenced by Asimov’s “I, Robot.” It did have a tendency to resort to esoteric trickery, such as the Vulcan Mind Meld, to move the plot along.
pyrrhus #458862 May 26, 2025 9:56 am 9
Heinlein’s masterpiece “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” is a perfect example of sci-fi predicting the future…Written in the early ’60s, it predicts a sentient computer AI helping the Moon settlers defeat tyranny by the Earth’s government, and describes it quite plausibly… When the AI’s programmer asks it how they can possibly defeat Earth’s government, the AI replies “throw rocks” with a sort of slingshot from Moon’s low gravity…Which indeed works….It’s never been made into a movie, though Heinlein’s satiric Starship Troopers has….
Vizzini #458884 May 26, 2025 10:22 am 10
I think TPTB are afraid of the ideas people might get from an accurate retelling ofThe Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Captain Willard #458900 May 26, 2025 10:47 am 4
Lol, they would have a field day in today’s Hollywood with the polyamory in “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”. The women were in total control, IIRC….
Templar #458973 May 26, 2025 3:26 pm 3
Don’t you mean “Verhoeven’s (ostensibly-but-not-actually) satiricStarship Troopers“? Heinlein’s novel is not at all satirical to the best of my recollection.
RealityRules #458963 May 26, 2025 2:18 pm 8
I think science fiction is defined as a dramatic story whose narrative and philosophical underpinnings are based upon the following:human nature and how humans behave in relation to technology where they may behave differently in its absencehow a technology forces human beings to confront challenges that amplify or distort existing human social dynamicsBy those standards I think RoboCop is an excellent sci-fi movie. What is interesting is in that film, the existing social dynamics of third-world/savage-populations level crime creates an impulse for applying mechanical technology as a solution. Of course, in that movie we see that the crime is exploited as a means to sell technology as a solution.I believe we are living through RoboCop right now. Someone in 2020 unleashed a massive crime wave designed to bring society to its knees and beg for surveillance, automated and centralized policing.What is also interesting but not addressed in that movie, is that it is Occidental man’s social technology that is superior. We have very low crime, high conscientiousness, high trust societies. Ironically, rather than innovating to solve social ills with mechanical technology, we were free to innovate to solve material deficits. I think this would be a cool movie theme. A RoboCop society somehow alongside an all ethnic European society that sees them intersect and shows the viewer in a subtle way which is a downward spiral and which is a path to something higher.There is a lot we don’t need to invent as solutions to problems, if we could separate and just not have those problems at such a chronic scale. Funny enough, the original Star Trek was often on the cusp of such interesting philosophical and civilizational questions.
Alzaebo #458886 May 26, 2025 10:23 am 7
No one will ever convince me thatZardozis not pure prophecy.A philosophical tour of the finest kind.
Hemid #458955 May 26, 2025 1:16 pm 6
That era of “camp” sci-fi, like Zardoz and Barbarella, had a wise premise (sometimes consciously): The standard Asimov-like sci-fi future is impossible because human nature is too low. Well, here we are in the future. Nobody’s on the moon. The man who claims he’ll take humanity to Mars is a retarded drug addict who can’t even keep hisbaby mama dramaoff the network he owns. Etc. Reality is what nerds can’t imagine.
Geoff #458895 May 26, 2025 10:33 am 6
Film is a terrible medium for sci-fi to begin with. It’s telling that one of the two top sci-fi movies mentioned by Zman was much better as a book, and it wasn’t even the best sci-fi books by that author. It’s just a genre that doesn’t do well outside of its traditional home of the written word.
Clayton Barnett #458877 May 26, 2025 10:17 am 6
Science fiction also requires science, or else it’s fantasy. For my 20 books ofMachine Civilization, I spent as much time doing research as I did writing them. Otherwise, it is a terrible disservice to the readers.
karl von hungus #458979 May 26, 2025 3:59 pm 5
funny enough, Lucas did make a great sci-fi film in THX-1138. it tends to get written off as a student film project, but it is really well made with some great performances by Robert Duvall and Donald Pleasance.
The Wild Geese Howard #459004 May 26, 2025 8:03 pm 0
The AI God confession booth in THX-1138 looks eerily like something we will see soon in our own timeline. The routine mass drugging of the populace in the same film is already here.
Robbmoffett #458940 May 26, 2025 12:13 pm 5
Does the movie Brazil qualify? No finer movie ever made.
NoName #459021 May 27, 2025 6:56 am -1
No offense intended to Terry Gilliam, but “Brazil” is a rather obvious re-telling of Orwell’s “1984”. I’m also of the thought that Kim Greist, as the love interest, was smoking hawt. Thank Goodness Gilliam wasn’t able to deploy any of the j00esses he had been lusting after [such Ellen Barkin & Jamie Lee Curtis]. I don’t know why Gilliam had the h@rd-on for the j00esses. [Maybe he knew from experience that the j00esses were more likely to “put out”?]
Yancey Ward #458910 May 26, 2025 11:05 am 5
I learned a long time ago to not expect good science fiction films or television programs. Certainly nothing that will match the very best written science fiction. That said, I would pick the following three as the top three films- the already mentioned “Blade Runner” and “2001- A Space Odyssey” along with “The Andromeda Strain”. Television shows seem even less fulfilling than film to me. “The Expanse” was probably the best science fiction television show I have seen and it got 5 seasons to tell its story. “Fringe” was pretty good, too, but in a different way.
CorkyAgain #458959 May 26, 2025 1:28 pm 5
Was waiting to see if anyone would mention The Andromeda Strain.
Rowdy Moody #458890 May 26, 2025 10:26 am 5
I feel the 1951 version of The Day the Earth Stood Still with Michael Rennie and Patricia Neal is a classic. The message at the end is really simple: stay the hell out of our backyard or we will blow you the hell away. Also hard to miss the Christ like rendering of Klattu.
Ostei Kozelskii #458932 May 26, 2025 11:58 am 3
Are flying saucer movies sci-fi or monster movies? Spielberg’s War of the Worlds, incidentally, is a terrific film, sci-fi or not.
Rowdy Moody #458964 May 26, 2025 2:25 pm 7
I suppose most flying saucer movies are monster flicks. They are mostly wanting to destroy the Earth or dine on us. Then of course it becomes a feel good movie as we Earthlings unite and defeat them.As an aside, a favorite spoof of the genre is Mars Attacks. I couldn’t stop laughing when it was revealed Slim Whitman was the solution!
Ostei Kozelskii #458968 May 26, 2025 3:14 pm 0
That sounds like one I need to see alright.
Templar #458971 May 26, 2025 3:19 pm 3
The message at the end is really simple: stay the hell out of our backyard or we will blow you the hell away. The “advanced alien civilization lectures dirty, warlike humans” trope is rather naively optimistic, I think.
Ostei Kozelskii #458982 May 26, 2025 4:40 pm 4
The Other is always superior, dontchaknow…
Filthie #458863 May 26, 2025 10:01 am 5
yes and no, maybe?If a man can beat up the technologically advanced Predator 3 times his own size…it takes a little work but maybe you can expect Girlboss to beat him up too? Why not? But I get what you’re saying, Z.I just finished binging on Caprica. I watched it ALL. I don’t think you guys woulda made it beyond the second episode. You can’t ruin a series like that so I’ll make the long story short: it’s the prequel to Battlestar Galactica. It’s about two dead teenage bubblegummer girl bosses that live in virtual reality on the internet. The young girl bosses hate their parents and ghost them. They guilt trip them, estrange and reject them. The parents must come to the realization that their little girl bosses know what’s best for everyone and accept their wisdom and authority. The sci-fi aspect is provided by the setting: a technological society run by women and queers. The men are all beta male flimps that do what the women tell them to. Protochristians are the bad guys that want to blow up the world and kill everyone. Somehow these people can run an interplanetary empire… and from that the authors can springboard onto other unoriginal derivative sub plots and do the gender/race swap thing on them too.It would be a dystopian hellscape for normal people…but Space Utopia for the Usual Suspects that have hijacked our culture. The only reason I watched it all is that my estranged militant lesbian daughter loved that kind of shite… and if you put it under the microscope it tells you a lot about the people that write it and enjoy it.As our Esteemed Blog Host notes, sci-fi holds up the mirror where all your warts and zits and imperfections reflect back at you. That’s the last thing Girlboss wants. Shitty science fiction is how she dolls herself up for that mirror to hide all that crap. she needs a mirror to show her what she wants to see.I suppose the men do it too these days.But whadda I know? Shut your hole, Filthie!😂
thezman #458885 May 26, 2025 10:23 am 8
If a man can beat up the technologically advanced Predator 3 times his own size…it takes a little work but maybe you can expect Girlboss to beat him up too? Why not? But I get what you’re saying, Z. But that is not what happens in the Predator film. The humans are no match physically. In both cases, they exploit the home planet advantage and get a little lucky. In the girl boss films, she is the only one who exists outside the physical constraints of the world created for her. Everyone else is limited by Newtonian physics.
Templar #458972 May 26, 2025 3:21 pm 1
In both cases, they exploit the home planet advantage I think that’s what Filthie meant by “it takes a little work.”
Filthie #458978 May 26, 2025 3:43 pm 6
That”s right… the original was okay. I must have been watching one of the execrable spin-offs. It had a little black girl – flat as a board – beating up the predators AND the aliens.It was incredibly awful.I see two things going on that I think is driving the dearth of real sci-fi:the old school “chick flicks”the new age “message fiction”The girl boss has a place in chick flicks. (Or ‘chick-lit’). Those are stories for women, and we are not the intended audience. It’s largely harmless, IMO…just another genre of story telling.This message fiction is not. Those stories are about driving an agenda. Typically the writers learn their craft in workshops. These are the cretins that recently produced the seriesThe Last Of Usas an example. On OyTube, the Critical Drinker has gone catatonic after watching it. The point of the story is to push LGBTQ, feminism and feminist rage.The only way to deal with it is with your wallet. Stop going to movies that push this shite.
Jeffrey Zoar #458922 May 26, 2025 11:35 am 3
Critics loved it (or were told to), but canceled for low ratings. It would be worse if it was popular. There’s a reason Hollywood is dying.
Ostei Kozelskii #458935 May 26, 2025 12:02 pm 4
And let its death be a particularly painful and humiliating one.
Diversity Heretic #458846 May 26, 2025 9:20 am 5
Where does a movie likeThe Omega Man(1971) fit? It’s a remake of a movie (The Last Man on Earth) which is clearly not science fiction. That movie was based on a novelI Am Legend, by Richard Matheson. In the 1971 version Robert Neville (Charlton Heston) is a scientist who’ simultaneously fighting and seeking a cure for the portion of humanity who have been turned into vampire-like creatures by mutations of biological warfare weapons. The early part of the film is pretty good, focusing on Neville’s psychological struggle to remain sane. The second part of the movie deteriorates into an implausible and inconsistent plot. But the scene where Neville debates Mathias (played superbly by Anthony Zerbe) over the merits of technological progress is really quite profound.
Alzaebo #458866 May 26, 2025 10:04 am 5
Agreed, when they brought in the groovy 70s race-mixing love interest, it pretty much fell to squat, as if they had forgotten the plot. But the mutations of biological warfare weapons? Oh yeah, that turned it into real science fiction. I’m still waiting for the vaccinated to go haywire when they activate the 5G signal network.
Filthie #458880 May 26, 2025 10:20 am 1
THAT was awesome sci-fi!!! I couldn’t sleep for a week after watching it! What a great time it was to be a kid…
Tarl Cabot #458899 May 26, 2025 10:47 am 2
The Omega Man is one of my favorite movies. More social commentary than science fiction. The subtext in the New World Order is that Heston is the monster, so he goes out like one. Better than dying in a camp.
Boris #458985 May 26, 2025 4:58 pm 0
Yeah, but the miscegenation scenes totally made me hate this movie. Many don’t realize that long before Heston became Pres of the NRA, he was a pretty hardcore lefty, even marching with MLK in the 60s. His other two sci-fi movies of that era (POTA and Soylent Green), were much better IMO.
Vizzini #459007 May 26, 2025 9:34 pm 1
It’s hard to think badly of the man who brought us “Get your paws off me you damn, dirty apes!”
Mycale #458966 May 26, 2025 2:59 pm 4
When I read liberals defending this girlboss slop they’ll say something like “you’re talking about fiction where <dragons fly around>/<there is time travel>/<people fly through black holes>/etc. and you’re complaining about girlbosses being implausible” and the only answer is yes, the girlbosses are far MORE implausible than dragons flying around, because we know girls in our lives and we know how ridiculous the girlboss construct is. Anyone who has seen a woman throw a punch knows that Atomic Blonde is silly. It doesn’t mean Atomic Blonde isn’t entertaining in a vacuum, it is, but when literally every piece of fiction is centered on the girlboss (the new John Wick is like this) then the entire premise collapses for all of them. It’s like a tragedy of the commons problem.
TempoNick #458931 May 26, 2025 11:57 am 4
The original Star Trek was modeled after Wagon Train. It was Wagon Train in space.
TempoNick #458936 May 26, 2025 12:03 pm 1
“When he launchedStar Trekin 1966, its high concept (no one called it that) was “Wagon Train to the Stars”: a Western in space.” Also see:https://www.newsweek.com/wagon-train-stars-410030
Semi-Hemi #458954 May 26, 2025 1:13 pm 7
I was watching the night NBC aired the very first Star Trek episode shown. The one about the salt sucking shape shifter who Bones thought was his old girlfriend. I was hooked. I was so disappointed when they canceled it.
Ostei Kozelskii #458970 May 26, 2025 3:16 pm 3
Salt-sucking shape-shifter–sounds like most of my old flames…
Jeffrey Zoar #458847 May 26, 2025 9:21 am 4
I may not be qualified to say which one is better, but I can say that I enjoyed Starship Troopers a lot more than either 2001 or Blade Runner. On Rotten Tomatoes list of top 150 scifi movies, Troopers is below Barbarella. A few weeks ago I finally got around to watching the original Mad Max. I’m kind of at a loss as to what about it inspired all the sequels. Maybe it was better in the context of its time than it is now.
Alzaebo #458858 May 26, 2025 9:48 am 10
I’ll duke it with anyone over any Mad Max, especially Mad Max: Thunderdome. The girlboss “remakes”, however, should be burned at the stake, their writers with them. An awesome Australian series we could consider a precursor to Mad Max:Mr. Nobody. What made Mad Max great was the slow decay of lawless anarchy, to where nothing really mattered. A film not about the whiz-bang, but about culture: surely relevant, prescient to today. We never knew if somebody pressed the button because they didn’t give a schmidt anymore, or if it all just fell apart.
mikebravo #458868 May 26, 2025 10:09 am 5
Speaking of great Australian series’. What about Mr Inbetween. What a star!
Filthie #458878 May 26, 2025 10:17 am 1
It was! I was a kid when I saw it and was captivated by it. I tried to watch my other childhood favourite –Escape From New York… and…yeah. They don’t age well, do they?
Jeffrey Zoar #458916 May 26, 2025 11:19 am 2
EFNY ages just fine iyam
Alzaebo #458882 May 26, 2025 10:20 am 1
Dagnabit, I missed that. Did you sayBarbarella?OMG. OMFG. There has to be some kind of mistake, or we’re doomed.
Tarl Cabot #458887 May 26, 2025 10:24 am 3
Mad Max had a kind of 70s indie cred that was common among so-called auteurs. The same people who glaze kung fu, spaghetti westerns and zombie flicks. It was good enough, considering its low budget. The Road Warrior is great. Beyond Thunderdome is half great, half garbage (everything actually beyond Thunderdome sucks). Of the more recent sequels, I shall not speak.
The Wild Geese Howard #459003 May 26, 2025 8:01 pm 0
The opening chase inMad Maxis still awesome. The, “last of the V8s,” intro scene is looking awfully prescient in this day and age. Road Warriorups the ante in terms of the chase scenes. The, “You wanna get outta here…you talk to me!” scene is up there with, “Come with me…if you want to live!” in terms of great one-liners.
Swagger #459011 May 26, 2025 10:05 pm 3
Star wars is considered “science fantasy” and not true science fiction. I would suggest aliens, more than alien, was true science fiction in the sense that we see humans in space as prey rather than conqueror as our technological arrogance blinds us and we are reduced to primitive fears and irrationality.
Boris #458919 May 26, 2025 11:30 am 3
I prefer the more dystopian sci-fi flicks where instead of robots and time travel there is doom, gloom, and misery. Films like Gibson’s Road Warrior movies, 1984 (not as good as the book of course but still a great movie), and my all-time favorite, Soylent Green. Yes, some will say it’s campy, but it’s a good lesson that when people get hungry, all the woke luxury beliefs vanish. For example, in the SG world women are reduced to “furniture”. Girl bosses are ancient history.Speaking of Kubrick movies, how about A Clockwork Orange? Certainly a dystopian movie but is it sci-fi? If so, I kick SG to #2 on my list and put ACO as #1.
Jeffrey Zoar #458938 May 26, 2025 12:06 pm 1
I would draw a distinction between futuristic/dystopia stories and scifi. You can have the former without the latter. Such as Children of Men. But ACO, with its mind reconditioning program, you could maybe call scifi. Barely.
The Wild Geese Howard #459006 May 26, 2025 8:07 pm 0
I would draw a distinction between futuristic/dystopia stories and scifi. What about post-nuclear war scenarios? Like the ones portrayed in either version ofOn the Beach(1956 & 2000)? Or something more plausible like the bookTrinity’s Childor its filmed versionBy Dawn’s Early Light, even though they have the requisite women’s lib pilot character?
Gauss #458841 May 26, 2025 9:01 am 3
2001, though Bladerunner is a worthy second.
Alzaebo #458875 May 26, 2025 10:14 am 3
2001 if Trump triumphs, Bladerunner if he doesn’t.
HockeyGuy #458999 May 26, 2025 7:39 pm 2
Total Recall – the original 1990 version – is campy, violent, and mindless, but underneath that veneer, it’s a story about a man looking to find himself and know who he is as he struggles with morality and what it means to be human. By that standard, it’s science fiction.
Hokkoda #458991 May 26, 2025 6:29 pm 2
The Matrix. The Martian. Wall-e.
plato spaghetti #458974 May 26, 2025 3:32 pm 2
Soylent Green. Interesting how much has already come to pass (normalizing euthanasia, “beyond food”, etc.).
Karl Horst #458965 May 26, 2025 2:58 pm 2
When it comes to girl bosses, let’s give credit where credit is due. Mary Shelley created Frankenstein in 1818. Verne and Wells came a bit later, but all three really started the genre we know as Science Fiction today.
Templar #458957 May 26, 2025 1:23 pm 2
Star Warsgets placed near the top because the lists are usually targeted to people who consume corporate slop.Star Warsmay not technically be science fiction, but it’s neither corporate nor slop (unless you’re talking about the Disney company’s rubbish).Asimov famously said that science fiction is about how humans react to changes in science and technology.Bradbury (not quite so famously) said that the best science fiction film of all time (using Asimov’s definition) wasSinging the Rain.The argument againstAlienis that it is also a monster movie, so there is a category dispute.Alienis a well-shot but extremely creaky haunted house rail-car ride of a film.Aliensis vastly superior.
Brandon Laskow #458945 May 26, 2025 12:32 pm 2
I’m surprised Planet of the Apes and its many sequels and iterations have yet to be mentioned. What do y’all think?
Templar #458967 May 26, 2025 3:11 pm 5
The first one is somewhat worth watching for Charlton Heston and the ape makeup. Everyone involved in making the CGI-ape reboot series should be sentenced to death for crimes against humanity.
The Wild Geese Howard #459005 May 26, 2025 8:04 pm 1
I don’t understand why the modern POTA films have drawn so much interest and get so much praise. What am I missing?
Templar #459123 May 27, 2025 11:13 am 1
They appeal to the predilections of genocidal misanthropes.
Miforest #458888 May 26, 2025 10:25 am 2
Off topic here I saw a movie out of Europe called “ the young messiah” that some of you might like. Given the ferocity of theological debate when it comes up, I have to think there are lots of believers here.
manc #459100 May 27, 2025 10:33 am 1
The tv show The Expanse hewed to Heinlein and Asimov’s definitions of science fiction and worked well.
Ketchup-stained Griller #459018 May 27, 2025 6:08 am 1
Body snatchers?
rz123 #458983 May 26, 2025 4:48 pm 1
Prime is excellent and a time travel movie. Very complicated.
Stephen Dowling Botts Decd #459262 May 28, 2025 10:07 am 0
This is a late entry, and it’s unlikely anyone will read it, but I think Walter Tevis deserves an honorable mention here. While it was never made into a film AFAIK, his novelMockingbirdmeets the criteria for Sci Fi IMO. And the man could write.
Zulu Juliet #459132 May 27, 2025 11:37 am 0
What about Silent Running? Planet of the Apes? Interstellar? Contact? Without a doubt, 2001 is the best; When a movie spans the dawn of hominids to an imagined future, that is hard to top. I never understood the attraction of Blade Runner. Maybe I should try to watch it again.
Profa #459025 May 27, 2025 7:50 am 0
I sort of disagree. All science fiction is a “McMuffin” as Z says, as any sci-fi concept, when examined by a true expert in its field will be found absurd.(unless not, when it would become an actual scientific concept, lol). Back to the future, while obviously very light, is science fiction in that it is an examination of generational differences. The things that happened in Star Trek are magic with some scientific babble thrown in. The difference between sci-fi and say fantasy, is the origins of the magic. In fantasy, or horror I guess, the effects are based upon an unknown uncontrollable world. Gods and goddesses control the world and mankind is helpless to understand them. The effects in science fiction come from human progress and technology. In science fiction, there is the common belief in the progress of human rationalism and technology, and the perfection of the human condition through the common cause of rationalism in scientific inquiry. This is the spirit of Star Trek, which spirit was created by Jules Vern. Star Wars, on the other hand, is a romantic revolt against the technological. In Star Wars, you have these gigantic machines that have run awry and allowing a dictator to control the universe through the death star. The force represents the revolt of the human spirit against an overly Technology dystopia. The key scene, of course, is where he takes off the guidance system at the end and trust his spirits or whatever. Star Wars derives from Dune actually. Star Wars is Dune vulgarized for the masses.Im liking this so I want to continue. The subtext of dune, obviously, is the Arab Israeli conflict. The Freemen or whatever represent Arabs, the spice, oil. It is about the will of these primitive people to resist all the might and technological genius of the west, their resolve and fighting spirit have (failingly) resisted western conquest for many generations. Technological superiority is not everything.
Redpill Boomer #458989 May 26, 2025 6:22 pm 0
I’d be hard-pressed to pick the best SF movies. Would need about a week to think about it. Obviously everything since about 2012 (2nd term of Black Jesus, when the race war truly kicked off and the Great Replacement took off its mask) has been crap. It’s not the composition of the cast, it’s the BS message. Furthermore, if we have a Diverse Writer he/she can produce anything and we’re expected to clap like trained seals.
NIdahoOrthodox #458976 May 26, 2025 3:36 pm 0
I highly recommend “Attraction” and “Attraction 2” – both in the genre of science fiction about an alien spacecraft that crash lands in Moscow. The English dub versions are ok, except for the one voicing for Irina Starshenbaum. The visuals are absolutely stunning – worth seeing for this alone. The Russians make great movies that absolutely do not look like 90% of US TV commercials if you knowwhutI’msaying.
NIdahoOrthodox #458977 May 26, 2025 3:37 pm 0
Find them on Amazon Prime.
Krustykurmudgeon #458942 May 26, 2025 12:28 pm 0
I’d be a fan of this but I’d worry the government would f— things up even more:https://x.com/gelliottmorris/status/1927022405236441099


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