There is plenty of blame to go around. The Church usurped the warrior caste when it moved against the Knights Templar and destroyed those orders. Some posit that that remnant may have gone into the new secret societies and the Masons … … and enacted their revenge during the French Revolution. If not explicitly at least in a spiritual, karmic retribution.In any case, generalizations are difficult. Some of the most organized, high agency and best prepared Americans ready for post-America are low church protestants. Some are Catholics.I think the key is not denominational but caste. What is beyond the shadow of the doubt is that the merchant caste won the Enlightenment and found its full expression and liberation in America. That is the problem.You cannot let traders run your society for their business is selling this and measuring success by how much and for how much profit they can sell. I am not anti-business. I am saying that the Merchant caste is not civilizational. In fact, its fundamental impulse is anti-civilizational – distributed costs and concentrated benefits. That is the antithesis of civic virtue by definition.We need to put the religious squabbles aside. We need ethnic/racial solidarity and we need to find a way to get the merchants on side but ultimately bring them to heel. That may be impossible. It may be that their power and force of will will first bring us all to ruin. Then we will enter a pirate age of civilizational collapse. Those with strong tribes and tribal alliances will do okay. From there, perhaps the strongest men will have a civilizational impulse and assert their will and be met with enough people who have had it with the dead end of living as a commodity in an office park / shopping mall.

how is the protestant “break” from catholic church any different in effect, from the orthodox church not following Rome from day#1? And why is the catholic church somehow sanctified as the official version of christianity? a lot of assumptions going on here…

“When the universal authority of the Church was challenged…”Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.And now they’ve given us a new Peruvian pope who holds dual citizenship in the US. The business of the church is in shambles, in large part due to collapsing collection box revenues from US Catholics. The obsequious groveling to the State during Covid did a lot of damage.My favorite thing about the pope selection process was all the Catholics telling us the way to save the church and the West was to install a black pope from Nigeria.Proving that we are well into the racket phase.

The Church of Rome is nothing more than a vestigial appendage of the Roman Empire and a, yet another, failed attempt at global governance.

One of the sayings that Z Man is known for is, “Says who?” with respect to any claim of moral authority. For example, “Says who that we must have massive immigration?” Luther and Z Man both ask that same question, although Z Man may not wish for that association. Everything else follows from whom we make our unquestionable authority.

Having gone over to the demographic POV, it makes sense to me. Orthodox (Eastern, Greek, Russian, etc.), ROMAN Catholic (Latin), Protestant (Germanic). East and two West. Ancient fault lines, affinities, dynamics. The Church didn’t solve them. And Calvin isn’t the only source of Protestant theology, of course. French name, isn’t it? Not sure if he was French or French-speaking Swiss. Anyway.

God is in control; the rest of us are just pretending. Peace.

Religious tradition is part of culture, which is downstream of genomics. Even among (1) the tapestry of ethnicities who make up the European race, there is too much difference for any universal system to endure without constant external threat reinforcing cohesion.Different ethnonational peoples have different preferences for how to organize themselves socially, politically, and economically. Compound this with a natural human tendency for social differentiation (2) and it is amazing that European civilization under the Catholic Church held together long enough for the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions to enable us to defend ourselves against the encroaching genocide of islam.So, there is a tension between needing something ‘universal-enough’ to bind our race together in collective self-defence against jewish and islamic predation, but not so universal that it serves as a vehicle for said enemies to import more enemies into our realms. Too little is death and too much is death. Of course it would be much easier if the enemy weren’t already not just over the walls and into the city, but into the primary control node of the manufacture and distribution of currency.It might seem strange, but I found it especially hopefully that the Irish tricolor was hoisted side by side with the Union Jack in recent demonstrations. When the reality of our impending collective destruction manifests, our internal differences can be set aside. Oh, and Keir Starmer is a wanker.############(1)actually, ESPECIALLY among b/c we European actually have internal genetic diversity b/c we aren’t cousin f*ckers like pretty much all non-whites (including all varieties of jews), as evidenced by variation in measurements of genomic heterozygosity(2) ex’s: female hypergamy, male sportsball -> goes back to the Red, Blues, Greens, and Yellows in the old chariot races in the Roman Empire -> some of these ‘enthusiasts’ killed each other over a completely synthetic association

The more I know of history the more I realize I don’t know. Joesph Campbell and Eric Van Daniken made me question my Christian teaching in High School. Logical conclusions at this point (fifty years on) there are a lot of things I still do not know. It must be part of the deal. To not know. Exactly when was it that you didn’t know? Answer, I’ve always not known. I think therefore I am. I think. Happy trails.

It seems to me that many in our circles who call themselves pagans do so in rejection of the hebrew god and are in search of old European traditions to embrace. I came to view the Bible very differently than I was taught, and I rejected it. I’m not a pagan, just a regular old heathen.

“This assumption that you can not only question authority, but you can declare yourself the authority starts in the protestant revolts.” – Z-ManThat started when the Bishop of Rome unilaterally declared himself the Vicar of Christ, and in the same moment, he created atheism. That is not the only thing it did. One of the others was the then inevitable Protestant Reformation. The chain of logic for atheism is not even hard if you try, but you will not try. The chain of logic for the Reformation requires history you do not have.One of Christ’s teachings to the disciples gives you a hint about this “pope” business, but you will not find that either, even though the Gospels are short and there is some nifty red highlighting in most versions to make it easy.Z-Man is badly out of his depth on this one, but enjoy your newpope. Here is the end of the article he promoted:“Right now, many American Catholics do support, and even cheer on, attitudes toward immigrants that show little sign of having been transformed or challenged by the Gospel. Rather than continuing to try to justify ourselves, we need to hear Jesus asking us “Who was neighbor to the immigrant on the border? To the immigrant in your cities? To the immigrant in detention or being deported?”The Gospel does not offer a charter for how to legislate about immigration. It does offer a standard for how far we are to go to love our neighbor, and a refusal to accept the limits we might be comfortable with on who our neighbors are. The question we need to answer is whether we judge our politics according to the Gospel or the other way around.”One of the sublinked articles even goes further. Pope Francis was going to make my job easy one day. Robert Prevost now Leo XIV might make it even easier.

“Hellenized Judaism”??? HAR HAR HAR!!!Up your arse too, Z! HAR HAR HAR!Letting you define the terms of this theological discussion is like letting the queers and troons define the terms of a discussion on sexuality. There’s no point in listening to this if we aren’t going to speak the same language I guess. Not trying to be a dink, but I can find crap like this on any second TED talk.It’s just me and my opinion, Z… but no, you DON’T need to spend 10 hours talking like this. But – whadda I know? You can tell me to go stick my head down the toilet and flush and be justified in saying so too. For me life is simple: the bible says what it means, and means what it says.The rest is up to you. Have a good Friday guys.

Protestantism moves Christians away from the ritualism and man-sourced authorities of Catholicism (Pope and priest) back to the Scriptural words of Christ and the prophets (whose literature, btw, was extant LONG before the ‘First Century’, e.g., Isaiah and Job).Human beings are evolving, learning creatures individually and collectively. The concept of one God — and that God a Father — moved the world away from belief in, and reliance upon, the sex-‘n-violence fertility cults of the ancient world and associated Great Mother or goddess worship.These latter underwent revival in America in the 19th Century (spiritualism) and mid-20th Century (Sixties paganism and following New Age). Both these movement were woman-dominated and, like occultism, concerned with manifesting the ‘divine feminine’.Post-Prot, relationship and communication with God in his aspect as Father or Son no longer required any intermediary but was accomplished directly on approach of the Son. This changes relationship to God from one of distant believer mediated by ritual and priesthood, to one of immediate experience as a son or daughter of God.Protestantism comes into disrepute because of people like Huckabee who trivialize and personalize a God they do not comprehend, and don’t really love. The likes of us do not babble before the LORD and His direct interventions in this world are rare.Humanity must move away from reliance on the maternal (mother-cults, goddess-cults, paganism and occultism) and toward the paternal (Father and Christ the King). Christianity stopped at absorbing the maternal, making Christ’s birth-mother the Queen of Heaven and Co-Redemptrix with Christ . . . same way they built churches over sites of pagan cults and locales of natural power.Current Christianity is kept alive more by monks than by the churches, which largely and inevitably became enslaved to the culture. The real Church is scattered physically but unified as living members of the Body of Christ. Don’t need no smartphones with that bunch.

Hmm very odd that you choose this on the tail of them choosing a Pope that has high odds of continuing the destruction of the Catholic Church…I wonder if Catholics will claim like they did for the last one that he isn’t the True Pope so they can still hold onto their beliefs…I think we have enough problems with unity without throwing this on the fire but that’s JMHO…

Good show, i learned some things as a christian myself. The analogies you used were useful to understanding how we got here

But we are Not in a new pagan age, or anything remotely like a new pagan age. Materialism, atheism, denial of the reality of the spirit, denial of the reality of the supernatural, value inversion, moral relativism – these are the characteristic, mainstream, official, pervasive ideology – and utterly unlike any historical paganism.

As a Greek, I was waiting for your take on the Orthodox Church’s place in all this, but it never came. I have to ask, why do you see the Protestant reformation as such an important event in the return of peganism, but not the schism? I actually agree, but I’m curious to hear your answer.I’ll stir up some crap with you Catholics too, but just remember that we’re all brothers here. How do you guys square the circle of papal infallibility? These are fallible men that have been provably influenced by politics. Pope Leo XIII had a vision of Satan infiltrating the church within 100 years, so even he didn’t think the church was infallible. There’s now been a pope that was luke warm on the gays, and one that likely helped hide a child molester priest. Both were totally on board with globalism to the point of supporting mass migration of Muslims into Christian countries. If you were hoping for one of the more conservative cardinals, you don’t believe in papal infallibility in your heart either. I’d also like to remind you that the Orthodox Church has been the most consistently conservative on all these issues. Results matter.

Nietzsche, the son and grandson of Protestant pastors, said Protestantism ends up being philology. With no central authority to decide meaning, it’s arguing over Greek and Hebrew words millennia after the people who spoke them originally long have died.

Religious organizations splinter for two major reasons…either they don’t work well for the people driving the economy and economic growth, or major corruption casts doubt on the sincerity of their spiritual claims…The medieval Catholic church had major problems with respect to both issues… and where they were very wealthy, like the monasteries in England, they also attract the greed of the rulers…The Church of England was no exception, with the entrepreneurial class largely becoming “non-conformists”..Notoriously, the massive canal building in the 17th century was performed mostly by non-conformists….

The real problem with Christianity today is that very, very few people (in the Occident) are actually sincere believers. Even the people who go to church just want to hold on to Christianity for its own sake. They use the trappings of Christianity, but the message is empty, so they change it to their real belief system, progressivism. This is why it is always progressivism and not other weird stuff. Like you’re never going to walk in to a White Christian church and find people worshiping snakes or something.People will not suffer anything in promotion of a fake religion (one they do not believe). This is why nobody is willing to make sacrifices.This is true across every denomination of Christianity, at least in the West. We saw this just this week in my own denomination with the new woke Pope. He was chosen for political reasons having nothing to do with the faith. We see the same thing with evangelicals. They get to make up their own version of Christianity. It’s very easy to follow the rules when you’re the one making them.

Just for the record, I don’t see how it’s possible that the church that emerged from the Vatican2 event is the same as the Catholic church. There are plenty of websites to show how the documents of vatican2 (note, not the “spirit” of Vatican 2) contain previous condemned teachings like te Jews have their own covenant, religious liberty is the right of every man and freedom of religion is a civil right, and that the church of Christ is not solely identified with the Catholic Church.also, Paul 6 changed every sacrament and then big one is the consecration rite for making bishops which is certainly invalid. Ratzinger was only a priest, bergoglio wasn’t even a priest and this new guy is no different. He’s not a bishop he is not a pope

I am beginning to think that polygamy has its virtues.Shout out to the LDS and Mormons…

Protestantism has many, many faults, however, this article forgets that there has also always been a strong element of paganism and Hellenism in Catholicism. On a side note, let’s hope Bergoglio is soon as forgotten as Biden is.

It’s shocking how strong the stench of faggotry is these days amongst the main Protestant churches. The Canadian Anglican newsletter is positively giddy about their latest lesbian vicar, the Lutherans are lionizing some African twink who wants governments to accord special privileges to LGBTQ+2 “refugees,” and the local United church has a giant rainbow flag draped above the main doors, displacing the Cross.

Count me among those who think today was just Z having a laugh. Yes it is reasonable to see the current mess as a return to paganism. Animism would also work. The simpler term would just be degeneracy.But bringing the RC/Prot thing into it is just silly. For starters Catholicism has long been a folk religion. Examples abound but one favorite of mine is the Cavalcade of Our Ladies. Guadeloupe, Fatima, Lourdes, Knock, Laus, The Miraculous Medal, La Salette, Hope of Pontmain, Beauraing, Banneax….And blaming the Prots for the collapse of the Catholic Consensus is like blaming the Huns, Goths and Vandals for the fall of Rome. Catholicism by its corruption had lost what the Chinese would call its authority to grant the Mandate of Heaven well before the Prots attempted reform. The secular authorities then split along lines predictable based on their positions within the syndicate.

Z threw a Baby Ruth in the pool this morning and is probably getting a chuckle at everyone flailing around.

I look forward to the decline of Christianity. It is Christians who are always forcing Africans on everyone. Christians and their universal morality.

Is there a link to the stream you did with Kersey last night? I am not on Twitter. Would love to check it out if it is published elsewhere.

anyone here seen the movie “wag the dog”? I kept getting flashbacks to COVID while watching it

That which works persists. Most evolutionary adaptations are local, but some are more universal. The variety of birds reflects countless local local fitness drivers. But most mammals have bicameral vision because depth perception is a huge fitness advantage regardless of environment. Ditto for religion as a tool for propagating local wisdom. Most nuances are esoteric to local culture and social necessity, but monotheism enables focus versus the chaotic contradictions of mutli-theism. The latter being too confusing for the peons to comprehend and engender.

AUGUSTINE: So you cannot deny the existence of an unchangeable truth that contains everything that is unchangeably true. And you cannot claim that this truth is yours or mine or anyone else’s; it is present and reveals itself in common to all who discern what is unchangeably true, like a light that is public and yet strangely hidden. But if it is present in common to all who reason and understand, who could think that it belongs exclusively to the nature of any one of them? I’m sure you remember what we discussed earlier about the bodily senses. The things that we perceive in common by the sense of the eyes and ears, such as colors and sounds that both of us see or hear, do not belong to the nature of our eyes or ears; rather, they are present in common for both of us to perceive. So you would never say that the things that you and I both perceive, each with his own mind, belong to the nature of my mind or of yours. When two people see the same thing with their eyes, you cannot say that they are seeing the eyes of one or the other of them, but some third thing at which both of them are looking.EVODIUS: That is quite obviously true.AUGUSTINE: Well then, what do you think of this truth we have been discussing for so long, in which we see so many things? Is it more excellent than our minds, or equal to them, or even inferior to them? If it were inferior, we would make judgments about it, not in accordance with it, just as we make judgments about material objects because they are below us. We often say, not just that they are a certain way, but that they ought to be that way. The same is true of our souls: we often know, not merely that they are a certain way, but that they ought to be that way. We make such judgments about material objects when we say that something is not as white as it ought to be, or not as square, and so on. But we say that a soul is less capable than it ought to be, or less gentle, or less forceful, depending on our own character. We make these judgments in accordance with the inner rules of truth, which we perceive in common; but no one makes judgments about those rules. When someone says that eternal things are better than temporal things, or that seven plus three equals ten, no one says that it ought to be so. We simply recognize that it is so; we are like explorers who rejoice in what they have discovered, not like inspectors who have to put things right.Furthermore, if this truth were equal to our minds, it too would be changeable. For our minds see the truth better at some times than at others, which shows that they are indeed changeable. But the truth makes no progress when we see it better and suffers no setback when we see it less. It remains whole and undefiled, giving the joy of its light to those who turn toward it but inflicting blindness on those who turn away. Why, we even make judgments about our own minds in accordance with that truth, while we can in no way make judgments about it. We say that a mind does not understand as much as it ought to, or that it understands just as much as it ought to. And the more a mind can be turned toward the unchangeable truth and cleave to it, the more it ought to understand.Therefore, since the truth is neither inferior nor equal to our minds, we can conclude that it is superior to them and more excellent than they are.

Since he is the highest authority about religion, the Protestant is both god and pope.

Hilarious comment section today. Was this column posted on the r/Jack Chick subreddit or something? Bear in mind that without the Catholic Church’s Hays Code you would’ve had the same degeneracy that was creeping into films pre-code about 40 years earlier. See German cinema in the 1920s if you’d like to experience more of that.Hollywood would’ve been producing snuff films for mass audiences by the 1960s with the approval of every mainline Prot denomination in the US, and Boomers would’ve grown up grabbing condoms from a fishbowl in their 2nd grade classrooms. Protestants like Prescott Bush and others were agitating for free conception and abortion from the 1930s onward. Catholics held off the wave of Weimar degeneracy while milquetoast Prots and the folks in the ACLU and Planned Parenthood were held at bay for decades. The audacity to blame the Catholic Church for anything in this country is laughable, but I can’t compete with that Oliver Cromwell oil painting in your living rooms.

Roman Church, Nordic Empire. That has always been the European optimal. Unity or Extinction.

If we needed more evidence that God has a plan and none of us know what it is, least of all low church Protestants: Reichsfuhrer Ye-Dolf has opened a new front in the struggle, and the video features members of his tribe dressed like back-up dancers for Heilung while chanting “Jogger Heil Hitler.”