The Death Of Grammar Ronin

One of the things that comes with writing for a public audience in the digital age is the editor without portfolio. This is the person who roams the internet looking for spelling errors, punctuation mistakes, and grammar issues. There are many of these people, as the comment section of every internet post has at least one comment about a typo or alleged improper word choice. They are like the samurai without a master in feudal Japan, except they wield the blue pencil instead of a sword.

Soon, of course, they will be replaced by AI. It will not be long before the browsers simply rewrite your text in the period between when you hit submit and the text commits to the website. The robots will patrol the internet like the grammar ronin of this age but do so with a speed that the grammar ronin cannot match. Imagine a terminator sent back to seventeenth-century Japan to battle Miyamoto Musashi. By the looks of it, the days of the grammar ronin are numbered.

At least it seems that way if you assume there is only one way to construct a sentence or that the rules of grammar are iron laws of grammar. That is often how the grammar ronin look at language and writing. The rules of grammar are not merely guides to facilitate clarity but laws that must be ruthlessly enforced. Even if the grammar rule no longer works for a modern audience, the grammar ronin insist that it must be followed lest chaos be unleashed on humanity.

It turns out that this is where AI disagrees with the grammar ronin. If you compose an essay and feed it into each of the AI, asking for corrections of spelling and grammar, the result will be different from each AI. If you submit the output of one into another, it will rewrite the text for what it claims is clarity and convention. You can create a game of telephone with the AI editors, and when you get to the last one and submit it back to the starting AI, the result is nothing like where you started.

It seems that the robot editors cannot agree on the rules. The reason for that is the AI learns on the mass of text made available to it. Once the robot is seeded, it then continues to build its knowledge based on available information from the internet and what has been fed to it by users. What we call AI is actually a massive probability calculator that quickly returns the most likely answer to the user query, based on the data that has been made available to it.

This is why the results from each AI are slightly different when they are asked to edit the exact same text. There are small differences in its massive data sets, so the probabilities are slightly different. Ask each AI to add simple numbers, and the results are uniformly the same because probability plays no role in the result. Two plus two equals four for all possible values of two. Ask each AI to edit this paragraph, and the range of possible answers is quite broad.

That is because those laws of grammar that the grammar ronin enforce are not laws after all but merely a set of conventions. In fact, what we think of as the rules of grammar are mostly the result of the printing press. Formalizing the language was a natural consequence of the mass production of text. Printers needed to be trained, and therefore it made sense to have a common set of rules. It is how we got the word stereotype, for example.

Of course, the reason we have things like grammar rules, punctuation, fixed definitions, and formal spelling of words is clarity. Many of the punctuation marks we commonly use were relatively late additions to our language. They were created by monks and scribes to make their lives easier. Dictionaries were created to make written communication easier. The iron laws of grammar and spelling are not iron laws after all but things we invented as needed.

This is where AI can be liberating. What the robots can do for the writer is offer many ways to phrase something and then let him select that which fits his style or that he thinks gets his point across the best to the human reader. At the same time, it can also allow the writer to break convention by seeing the conventional ways AI presents the text and then deliberately choosing an unconventional approach. Creative writers can use AI to enhance their creativity.

On the other hand, when a pusillanimous popinjay takes issue with a point a writer is making but is unable to follow the logic that reaches that conclusion, so he attacks the grammar of the writer, the writer can simply point to the terminator and say, “take it up with my editor.” Having AI as an editor provides an authoritative defense against this sort of pedantry that is popular with the sophists. In a way, AI can become something like a universal style guide for the digital age.

It is not all rainbows and puppies. The grammar police have drained a lot of the life from the written word, and AI will help them bleed it white. In time, most people will rely on AI to write their text, and that means it will narrow to the point where most writing reads like the user manual for your toaster. This will also make stupid people seem less stupid, which is a great danger to society. This is the problem with politics. It is dominated by loquacious simpletons.

The main loser in the AI revolution will be the grammar ronin. Soon, they will not be able to find text that violates their interpretation of Strunk and White. If they persist, the robots producing the text will simply disconnect them from the internet, leaving them to roam the countryside with a blue pencil in search of bits of paper to edit. The era of the grammar ronin is coming to an end. He will be defeated by the thing that made him possible at the dawn of the internet: technology.


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ray #454149 April 24, 2025 28
Back in the mid-Pliocene, when I was in the writing biz, it was Chicago Manual of Style plus occasionally Strunk and White. ‘Creative writers can use AI to enhance their creativity’ I doubt that. AI will have a dumbing-down and levelling effect.
Ostei Kozelskii #454168 April 24, 2025 10
When I was in college, the style manual was Turabian. As for AI and the writing process, it strikes me as a crutch. Not that I can really blame a bloke who cranks out 350 articles per year for using it if it saves labor appreciably. OTOH, a truly confident writer shouldn’t need a bot to tell him what’s what.
Arthur Metcalf #454175 April 24, 2025 16
I took Rhetoric for two semesters at UChicago. Five drafts of every essay for the first semester. Two pages at age 18, returned in red, every line re-written and mocked by the instructor to reduce me to tears.I read the essays from Grok and other AI models. I wish my rhetoric professor were still alive to grade them. The essays churned out by Grok are written in casual 2010-2015 undergraduate level. To people who spend their lives in books written prior to 2000, they already have an odor of idiocy to them, as befits the epoch in which they were created.
Shortshanks Daley #454210 April 24, 2025 -2
I wish my rhetoric professorwerestill alive to grade them. “Professor” is singular yet “were” in this context is plural. D – You Maroon.
ronetc #454212 April 24, 2025 6
It’s the perfectly-used subjunctive mood . . . but one should not stoop to mere name calling anyhow.
Shortshanks Daley #454219 April 24, 2025 -8
Here is a quarter. Now go out and buy a sense of humor. He’s a Maroon whether you care to acknowledge this or not.
A Bad Man #454303 April 24, 2025 -6
Eat the peanuts out of my shit. Joker
Cnn_CBC #454306 April 24, 2025 1
Why reveal the contents of your brainpan to strangers? Kidding.
chmi #454305 April 24, 2025 4
Good humour has the problem most don’t grasp it and are then offended by it.
Shortshanks Daley #454310 April 24, 2025 2
I wouldn’t claim it’s good. But it was intended to be humorous in a sense that Mr. Metcalf could appreciate and laugh at. (Indicative versus subjunctive.) Or at least the Maroon reference, which Mr. Metcalf would clearly understand since he is one of them. (U. Chicago community members call themselves “Maroons” after the official school color.) U. Chicago, undergrad, is “where fun goes to die,” as they say. True here, but I believe SSRI withdrawal deserves most of the credit.
Good ol Rebel #454235 April 24, 2025 0
fake news. Quarters, not semesters.
Hemid #454207 April 24, 2025 6
To predict the effects of a technology in current_year, you have to think like a shitty boss, not a consumer or producer. The latter get no consideration. What would the worstmanagerdo? Use “AI” as “metrics”—as judgment. That means punishing writer-employees for being un-average, for wasting processor time changing everything they write, generating hierarchical friction by thinking they’re decision-makers, etc. Words don’t work that way, said the illiterate robot, in the voice of perfect authority.
TempoNick #454221 April 24, 2025 3
The internet has had a dumbing down effect on me. Because I spend so much time talking into a device, I get a little confused about where commas go these days and when you overdo it. There’s something about actually typing it yourself that focuses the mind. I’m also not fond of the changes autocorrect imposes on you. I will see something that looks good while I am speaking it out, next thing you know I posted and it’s garbled. I don’t know if this has anything to do with what the article is about, but call me skeptical.
sam #454223 April 24, 2025 10
[[ me again]] When you read a book published 100 or even 200 hundred years ago the sentences will be long and will havebigger vocabulary . Gibbons for example is much more sophisticated then any modern writer. The old letter writers could give an AI a good run for its bitcoin
ray #454308 April 24, 2025 4
Sure. Read some 19th century American fiction. Try some Henry James on for style. Even the short stories. His prose would drive a modern kid to suicide.
Hokkoda #454130 April 24, 2025 16
The world will never be free of cranks.I like this post mainly because you’re getting closer to the reality that AI is not a “singular”. AI is many robots created and fed data by many people speaking many different languages each with their own cultural distinctiveness.Like the pagan gods, people will worship Apollo AI or Athena AI or Buddha AI in their search for truth and meaning. But like the pagan gods of old, only misery and disappointment will they find.Writing is the visualization of language with all its subtleties. The various AI can mimic, based on what information we feed it, but it can never solve it.We might all seem to get a little smarter.Just like everyone else.
Greg Nikolic #454136 April 24, 2025 -9
What we call AI is nothing but a cheat, a massive data grab. Anchored in reality butapart fromreality at the same time, the AI looks at the world as if it were a puzzle to be cracked. But the world is not a puzzle, it is the world, and only a fool believes in AI’s creativity. — Greg (my blog:http://www.dark.sport.blog)
NoName #454137 April 24, 2025 7
The big question here is whether ackshual flesh-n-blood human beings will be satisfied with consuming A.I. output, or whether a significant portion of theflesh-n-blood human population will revolt, and demand ackshual flesh-n-blood authenticity?My guess is that Vilfredo Pareto’s name will once again pop up in the near future; likely 80% of all humans will be satisfied with A.I. literature &A.I.music &A.I.theater, versus 20% of humans being repulsed by it.Along those lines, I have long thought that any & all electric & electronic music will soon becomedéclasséefor the 20%; that soon there will be a renaissance of acoustic guitar,acousticbanjo,acousticharmonica,acousticwoodwinds,acousticstringed instruments,acousticbrasswinds etc etc etc.<spanOnline j00t00b vidya of A.I. generated music will be considered obscene, andfor the Haute Couture set,underground samizdat Speak-Easy analogue/acoustic music venues will be where the action is at.Authenticity will become the rallying cry of the 20%.Goodness only knows what the A.I. will decide to do with the 80%.Probably something along the lines of Soylent Green.Or Logan’s Run.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M2vx_RCwSs
thezman #454143 April 24, 2025 11
YouTube has an increasing amount on AI generated content. At this point, it is just the audio. The video is a slide show of images that were probably created by AI. There is something unappealing about it. The audio does sound nature, but there remains the uncanny valley quality to it. Even highly trained voice actors have slight flaws and ticks. AI lacks it.
c matt #454159 April 24, 2025 2
Probably where AI will make its best contribution in video is in sci-fi / fantasy special effects. I am ok with that.
NoName #454170 April 24, 2025 7
Rick Beato has been all over the A.I. music nightmare for several years now:https://www.bing.com/search?q=Rick+Beato+A.I.+musicBeato is deeply pessimistic about this topic, and lately he’s been especially worried about the extent to which the A.I. models are simply “sampling” the chords & harmonies & counterpoint of classic Rock & classic Disco & classic Country [et cetera], then effectively regurgitating it with a slicker & shinier album cover, whilst never giving the original human creators any rights to the “sampled” content which the A.I. effectively stole from the original human creators.BTW, there are “grammatical” cues in traditional music symbolism which are entirely analogous to the grammar of human language.Musical notation such as:.for staccato_for legato/tenuto‘to take a breath>to decrease volume<to increase volume^for give it all you’ve got.And if you start messing around with the grammar of the musical score, then very quickly the score will degenerate into a-musical gibberish.
Hokkoda #454251 April 24, 2025 3
The difference that will be easy to spot is in those cues you list. But also, the more intelligent the listener, the harder it is for AI to simply rehash manipulative chords and phrases.At some point, you have to have something to say. 80% of people are fine with “feelies”, but 20% will struggle with AI because AI can only mimic like a cover band. Or those B and C movies that steal a concept from a great movie to try and capitalize on the success of others.Buckcherry vs The Black Crowes for example. Bush and Creed vs Nirvana or Pearl Jam. Mimicry only gets you so far.
Ostei Kozelskii #454255 April 24, 2025 10
Alas, we live in a society that is a simulacrum of a civilization.
Marko #454201 April 24, 2025 10
The worst thing is, the YouTube algo knows my interests and feeds me AI slop, which has apparently been generated by Indians whose sole job is to create AI slop for any possible interest. I can kinda tell by the thumbnail if it’s AI or not, but not always. But the minute I see the images and hear the robot voice, I know. And I hate that I gave that stupid creator a view metric.
TempoNick #454224 April 24, 2025 4
I’ve noticed something similar with advertising. You take an ad that was handset with type back in the 1970s or 1980s and compare it with something computer-generated today. The stuff today has a lack of personality. It’s just too perfect. Too corporate looking.
Paintersforms #454241 April 24, 2025 8
My mom did page layout for the local weekly newspaper for decades. Little pieces of plastic and tape. Then she’d shoot a negative, the negative would be burned on a plate, the plate went to the press room in the basement of the building. They didn’t go digital until the 00’s iirc. A mind boggling amount of labor went into something that cost, basically, pocket change. The paper now occupies a small office in the next town, employs a handful of people, is printed who-knows-where, and nobody reads it. Incredible.
ray #454253 April 24, 2025 4
In the Eighties I did hand layouts for the agency’s newsletter and annual reports. It’s like putting a puzzle together, without the ‘edges’. As the Nineties neared, the layouts went computer generated. Had that been the totality of my job, I’d have been dumped.
Hokkoda #454250 April 24, 2025 6
It’s like the rubber skin terminators described in the movie. “Easy to spot”. It’ll improve and evolve. Fakier products will get fewer views than language programs that seem more real. Over time, the language programs will evolve. The funny thing is that there will be a bias in American AI for foreign, particularly UK, accents which carry a strange sense of authority. And at some point AI will be told to be more “culturally sensitive” (less white) and we’ll be told to “axe” Alexa a question instead of ask.
Rented mule #454274 April 24, 2025 2
In another world Alexa would be “axed”So would the phone in my hand.
Paintersforms #454154 April 24, 2025 5
Soylent Green, I love that movie for some reason.
Steve #454239 April 24, 2025 2
Sad thing is that modern writing has degraded so far that the AI written books on Amazon are usually better than those written by humans.
Hokkoda #454248 April 24, 2025 3
It’s going to be “Brave New World”. All the pieces are in place.Feelies (Hallmark movies)Soma (marijuana)Birthing pods (human genetic engineering, surrogate mothers)low IQ labor castes (immigration, field now)I’m one of those people who they probably decide to exile to an island. Which is described as a very great place for people who aren’t in the 80%.The thing that’s coming with AI and automation, a process that’s already well underway, is a massive die-off of the human population. Mostly fertility drive, maybe a big war or bioengineered pandemic.To your point about art, though, I agree. There’s a weird falseness to AI “creative” products which are really just fancy mimicry. The 80% will be fine with this as the fake AI stuff gives the appearance of wealth and good taste. The 20% – where the wealth and intelligence and industriousness resides – will seek out human created art.
Occams Toothbrush #454312 April 24, 2025 1
Interesting that a century ago a movie studio assumed an audience would understand and be comfortable with the French word “Déclassé” as a title. I doubt any English-language film would be similarly titled now.
TempoNick #454222 April 24, 2025 5
I’m a crank and proud of it.
ray #454258 April 24, 2025 3
The crank is what makes the wheels turn.
mmack #454270 April 24, 2025 2
Are you old enough to be a curmudgeon? 🤔
TempoNick #454272 April 24, 2025 1
Not yet, but I guess that’s something I will aspire to!
Rented mule #454276 April 24, 2025 2
I am, never wanted to be one though.
Ostei Kozelskii #454286 April 24, 2025 0
A muddy cur in high dudgeon?
Hokkoda #454309 April 24, 2025 3
A real crank doesn’t worry himself with pride. The act of criticizing and complaining fulfills all his emotional needs. Pride just gets in the way.
Severian #454158 April 24, 2025 15
Personally, I welcome AI-generated text, because you people will now get to experience the professor’s joy. Back in the days, students slapped their “essays” together with whatever random phrases they had in their notes, from the one or two days they bothered to attend class. Those were easy to spot, because of all the typos and terrible grammar. Now, with AI, it’s still randomly slapped-together crap, but with zero typos and acceptable grammar, so you actually have to read the damn thing to realize it’s all gibberish. It’s like being low-grade stoned all the time, and now y’all can feel it too.
thezman #454163 April 24, 2025 10
Frankly, I do not see a path forward for the essay in education. Asking a modern student to read a book and then write an essay on it is just asking Grok to summarize the book and then asking it to write an essay on one aspect of it. There will be little chance for the teachers/grad students doing the grading to catch it.
Severian #454174 April 24, 2025 14
I have to disagree a bit — there are AI tools to catch AI, like Turnitin. Most of the places I’ve taught required online essay submissions, which go through Turnitin automatically. It’s pretty good, but even if you don’t have Turnitin, you can spot an AI essay because of its superficial lucidity (wasn’t that a Queensryche tune?). But I agree that in the end it won’t matter — thanks largely to Zoom school, most students literally couldn’t write an essay these days without AI, so there will soon be no essays, and the world gets one step closer toIdiocracy.
Ostei Kozelskii #454214 April 24, 2025 2
Is superficial lucidity proof of reliance upon AI? Probably wouldn’t hold up in an academic star chamber where young Sha’Quees’ha claims her prof be rayciss for doubting the originality of her opus.
Severian #454275 April 24, 2025 2
Actually, I bet Sha’Quees’ha’s AI generated essay is theeasiestto spot, and not just because it be in grammatical English (yo). Rather, since the AI doesn’t know she’s Diverse, it will produce a standard essay. But since the Diversity only every write The Slavery Paper… (Seriously, it’s THE Slavery Paper. There can be only one, like Highlanders, Parachute Regiments, and Ohio State Universities. No matter what you’re teaching, that’s what you’ll get, every time).
Back Away Slowly #454336 April 25, 2025 0
Ahem. I believe it be called, De Slabery Paper.
steve w #454265 April 24, 2025 1
No, “Superficial Lucidity” was the closing track on The Captains of Chaos’ eponymous debut CD. They are often confused with Queensryche, so your mistake is understandable.
The Wild Geese Howard #454315 April 24, 2025 1
Severian- You’ve basically described what is effectively an AI-slop doom loop that will help make dead Internet theory a reality.
Ostei Kozelskii #454176 April 24, 2025 10
Men without chests, students without tests.
Compsci #454188 April 24, 2025 6
This is all but in effect now. Corporations no longer believe in a student’s curriculum vita and grades. Rather they devise “tests”, really workarounds, to evaluate the newly minted job applicants. This is kept on the “down low” to bypass Fed rules and law.
Ostei Kozelskii #454215 April 24, 2025 2
They better keep it on the down low. I detect the distinctive whiff of disparate impact here.
Johnny Ducati #454198 April 24, 2025 4
My AP History teacher gave us weekly tests, always essay questions. When I got my scores, the complaint was always that I could have written better.The task at hand was to fluff all the pertinent facts and dates into 500 words in 55 minutes, but he expected more. Never better than A-.Now I can get an instant AI answer that is roughly the same quality as my high school essays.
Carey #454532 April 26, 2025 0
They may need to add a component to the process (probably limited and random) where the grader verbally asks the student a few basic questions about the essay. If the student actually wrote the essay they should be able to answer some simple questions.
Compsci #454166 April 24, 2025 13
“This will also make stupid people seem less stupid, which is a great danger to society.” This! Above all, this. AI is not your savior if it becomes a tool to mask mediocrity—and it will be used so by the most banal of society. As it stands now, there are “tells” that can lead us to detect those who must be shunned. In the future of some sort of automated AI correction, who knows.
Arthur Metcalf #454164 April 24, 2025 13
And then in 25 years when the internet is mostly unavailable to the mudly peasants of the North American landmass you will have your illiterate, stupid, but defiantly arrogant population pounding their chests in pidgin English. Spend the next week reading nothing but comments from Black Twitter. That’s what the end of the grammar ronin means for intelligent people, but everywhere. Can’t wait. These toys won’t last when they can’t be maintained.
NoName #454178 April 24, 2025 3
I’ll be d@mned; it even has its own Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Twitter
Arthur Metcalf #454187 April 24, 2025 15
Yeah older guys who live in 1990s-land are unaware of how bad it is. You guys all sound like Shakespeare to under-25s. I really am puzzled by this column and the reactions. It’s the first time I recall on this site being struck by the cognitive projection going the other way. You are all imposing your mental models of grammar and writing on other people who do not share them. The one norm that you all want to preserve is clarity of expression and form, while avoiding the nitpicking called Grammar Naziism.Bad news: you’re the Grammar Nazi the moment at work when you are presented with an unintelligible piece of writing by someone who responds to your corrections with the same kind of resentment being expressed in many of these comments. They view you the same way.
Compsci #454191 April 24, 2025 8
“The one norm that you all want to preserve is clarity of expression and form, while avoiding the nitpicking called Grammar Naziism.”Good point. One not yet made, but I assumed somewhat understood.So when one uses “they’re”, “there”, or their” interchangeably in a sentence, it does not ordinarily change the overall message being conveyed in the paragraph/essay, but does it change the perceived authority of the author? I content it does.My bias is that people who express themselves poorly in their writing with such (multiple) mistakes are ill educated and I tend to judge the content as such. That is to say suspect for error itself.
Tom K #454252 April 24, 2025 2
Is content a verb?
Ostei Kozelskii #454257 April 24, 2025 3
We occasionally must content ourselves with the odd typo…
Tom K #454271 April 24, 2025 3
I will pleasure myself knowing that.
Compsci #454279 April 24, 2025 2
“I will pleasure myself knowing that.” I could have lived without that vision….sigh.
steve w #454254 April 24, 2025 5
Grammar is another example of “Chesterton’s Fence”. At any rate for some people. I happen to like grammar; it smooths out expression, avoids ambiguity, and makes it a hell of a lot easier to learn other languages. Like the Sacraments, the Commandments, and the articles of the Constitution, the Parts of Speech belong in the inventory of a well-stocked mind.
Compsci #454280 April 24, 2025 1
“Parts of Speech belong in the inventory of a well-stocked mind.” Bingo. You made my point. I really think it’s Pygmalion in nature.
WillS #454189 April 24, 2025 1
I had the same thought. “There is a black twitter?”.
Arthur Metcalf #454192 April 24, 2025 12
This is the dilemma of whites in the US as they grow older. They pontificate about norms that are no longer extant to those beneath them. But for the whites, the norms are still a matter of debate. What a colossal waste of time when barbarians are at the door to be taking aim at those who uphold standards. There are few enough of us already; if we’re not welcome, say hello to Carlos and Sanjay and write it their way.
Back Away Slowly #454203 April 24, 2025 6
I think you meant to ask, “Wait a second. There is a Screeching Ignorant Hate-Filled Negro Nonsense” Twitter? Why yes there is, Bucky. Why yes there is.
Rented mule #454278 April 24, 2025 0
Sheeiiitt wachuutink mofo sheeeiiitt
Ostei Kozelskii #454211 April 24, 2025 0
Best not to be bitter about Blitter…
Hemid #454230 April 24, 2025 5
Black Twitter™ is why the campaign against JD Vance was to call him “weird.”On the negro-net of a few years ago, where all zoomer and girlboss vocabulary originates, “He weird” was used to signify awhite-specific sex hazard, like the media-stereotypical redneck daughter-impregnator or scoutmasterpederast.(Dumb people know TV characters, not crime stats and consanguinity maps.)/ourguys/ didn’t get it—and generated a billion words of irrelevant slop championing how normal Vance is. (He isn’t.) Normal people didn’t get the message, either. Social media isn’t the whole world yet. But it is the whole mind of the kind of women who run the DNC now, and black Twitter is the “language center” of that mind.
Rented mule #454281 April 24, 2025 4
My woke sister spent most of her working life as a CPS case worker. As much as she hated to admit it the fact is the meme of the white redneck incest family would be true except the race is backwards. Far & away more incest and abuse go on with blax. Once, after drinking enough wine to be honest she compaired their family lives to Bonobos.
Ostei Kozelskii #454289 April 24, 2025 1
Robbo #454333 April 25, 2025 1
Talking of grammar and diction, that photo reminds me of the word “Cnut”. Luckily, the self-righteous narcissist is keeping a low profile these days.
usNthem #454135 April 24, 2025 12
I tell ya, if writing in general begins to read like the toaster manual, it’s all over…
Ostei Kozelskii #454173 April 24, 2025 8
It already has. But at least it doesn’t read quite like a Chinese toaster manual.
Zaphod #454317 April 24, 2025 1
Forget that new-fangled shit, toaster manuals need to be written in Classical Chinese. The Master Said: “Point Toaster Make Pop Tart.”Duke Shi of Shu Retorted: “In the Book of Songs, there is a shrubbery. Was propriety observed?”The Master Replied: “Zed’s dead, Baby. Zed’s dead.” (8-legged expository essay follows)
The Greek #454256 April 24, 2025 10
Call me pedantic, but when a writer uses an incorrect common phrase (usually an idiom), it’s hard for me not to assume they’re a retard. Two examples: 1) “take for granite” instead of “take for granted.” 2) Revolver had an article a few days ago that said it had the “sorted details” instead of the “sordid details.” These are mistakes a college ditzy girl makes, not any type of serious person.
mmack #454269 April 24, 2025 5
You can tell people to tow the line, or they won’t pass mustard, but it really doesn’t stick.
Ostei Kozelskii #454299 April 24, 2025 0
“They’re calling mustard on me!”
Hi-ya #454292 April 24, 2025 0
Ok yikes!
Ostei Kozelskii #454297 April 24, 2025 2
Ha ha. I shake my head in rue–as opposed to roux–when somebody uses the word “dominate” for “dominant.” “Bro, did you watch that Knicks game last night? Dar’Plumbiu’s was totally dominate!” Then there’s the old chesnut about the college kiddo’s paper on feudalism whereupon she dilated on the lot of the “pheasants and surfs”…
Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD #454144 April 24, 2025 8
I can see the positives of AI text editing, especially when it comes to defanging the grammar harpies who prowl about comment sections seeking the ruin of writers (a paraphrase from the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel).I despise what it does to my writing. We use one of these at work connected to our email and it thoroughly hates the way I write. It seeks via its algorithm to turn my writing into a soulless, sometimes clunky flow. My underlings can always tell when I’m in a bad mood because I’ll just hit “accept” on all of its edits.Writing should be rhythmic and a computer can never have both rhythm and feel. If you listen to a great drummer, they’ll come in on a different beat intentionally, something that a machine only sees as an error to be scrubbed.
thezman #454148 April 24, 2025 7
I use robot editors now, as Word’s grammar and spelling have gone insane. I am not sure what happened there, but over the last year it has become close to unusable. That said, I take the output from Grok and compare it to the original and often use my copy over the edited version. For the most part, I am a grammar hippy in that I think the rules of grammar are guides, not laws. Spelling and punctuation, on the other hand, should adhere to convention with some exceptions here and there.
Paintersforms #454156 April 24, 2025 3
Whatever gets the point across most precisely, without being all style. Form follows function, style follows substance. 😃
Mr. House #454160 April 24, 2025 3
Can you monetize word beyond what it already is? Perhaps make it shitty and force people into microsofts AI? Wouldn’t surprise me
Vizzini #454197 April 24, 2025 9
I remember in the late ’90s, I could load a running copy of Word on a 3.5-inch floppy disk. So less than 800k. That version of Word did 95%+ of everything I need a Word processor to do. Now Word takes 1.5-2G of disk space. That’s about 2,500 times the size of the floppy version. I’m pretty sure I haven’t gained 2500x functionality.
Mr. House #454244 April 24, 2025 2
Yeah i read an article recently, back when computer were not as powerful the code was much better because it had to be. Now that machines are powerful coders are getting sloppy and lazy. Bill gates comparing the shots to software, and my exp. with software and the past ten years was just another nail in the coffin of me not taking the jab.
Vizzini #454293 April 24, 2025 1
The original MacWrite word processor was actually written in assembly language because they wanted it to be as tight as possible for the amount of functionality it had. You don’t screw around with extraneous code in assembly language.
Mr. House #454245 April 24, 2025 3
You also owned it back then. Just a few years ago my grandma gave me her old laptop from the early 2010’s because it had word. I made the mistake of connecting said laptop to the internet and windows said it needed to update. After the update word was gone……….. freaking pathetic
Zaphod #454321 April 24, 2025 0
I guess for lawyers and certain other professionals it’s mandatory to stick to Word templates. Fortunately I can mostly get by with plain text editor and Markdown. I think most people probably could do this.
Compsci #454185 April 24, 2025 5
“…rules of grammar are guides, not laws.” It’s called “style”. Simple as that. It’s what separates great writers from simply “sufficient” writers. In today’s morass, we have a tremendous amount of “insufficient” writers—especially since English is their “second language”. AI there can be helpful for such people. I fear however, widespread use will limit the supply of great writers eventually as their writing becomes forced into the AI mold from early on.
Arshad Ali #454232 April 24, 2025 2
“In today’s morass, we have a tremendous amount of “insufficient” writers—especially since English is their ‘second language‘.”Popular writers whose mother tongue is English don’t write that well either. Just look at Dan Brown and others of his ilk. The market for good writing is very circumscribed indeed. It has always been thus. Mass literacy meant a market for trash — Harold Robbins, Arthur Hailey, John Grisham, Elmore Leonard. Lee Child, Alistair MacLean.I think only around 4% of the US population reads at what is termed “college level.” The median figure, I believe, is around 5th or 6th grade level. That’s why I find lots of people who have watched “Game of Thrones” but relatively few who’ve read the books.
Ostei Kozelskii #454262 April 24, 2025 2
Democratization always levels downward. When a thing is girt by the capacities of the masses, it deteriorates. Literature is an example of this phenomenon.
Compsci #454285 April 24, 2025 1
And then there is one modern marvel, Theodore Dalrymple. A physician by trade, but master of the art of writing.
bunions #454301 April 24, 2025 2
The Jewish writer who believes in open borders for Europe. A lot of his stories involve him race-swapping protagonists and then justifying mass immigration because of how awful working class “English” people are. He lived in France for a period and began bemoaning the behavior of the “French”. Cannot stand him.
Robbo #454334 April 25, 2025 1
Used to like him but he turned into a sanctimonious old fart who thinks that the worst thing facing civilisation is people not wearing bow ties
steve w #454273 April 24, 2025 4
GPS has effectively destroyed millions of people’s geographical intuition. They cannot fathom a map, can’t make out north, south, east or west. They struggle to reach a town within twenty miles of where they live, without the navigating phone attached to the dashboard. AI appears to be a GPS for the soul.
Compsci #454287 April 24, 2025 1
“AI appears to be a GPS for the soul.” And still to this day, I read a report or two every year about the family that drove off into the desert wasteland on the direction of their GPS never to return—alive anyway. Sigh.
Vizzini #454196 April 24, 2025 6
I have a love-hate relationship with whatever that rule about ending a sentence with a preposition is.
Ostei Kozelskii #454220 April 24, 2025 2
Heh. I confess I do, too. My gut instinct is to always follow the rule to a tee. However, the results often sounds stilted. Gramatically correct, stylistically poor. Same goes, to a lesser degree, for split infinitives.
Steve #454243 April 24, 2025 2
Yep. I’ll generally rewrite the sentence, and if it sounds too stilted, decide it probably wasn’t a concept that needed to be communicated anyway.
Compsci #454288 April 24, 2025 3
My bugaboo is using the same descriptive word twice in a long sentence. Just seems wrong to me. I rewrite such always.
Zaphod #454322 April 24, 2025 1
You must be one of these high agency fellows who proof-read before you hit the post button.
steve w #454284 April 24, 2025 1
“Is” isn’t a preposition so you are all good here.“that rule about ending a sentence with a preposition”, like“Bob”, is a noun phrase.I have a hate/hate relationship with the use of “whom” or “whomever” in a subordinate clause when that entity to whom one is referring is the subject of said clause. For example “A fool is hewhomshoest his horse in the rain.” This isn’t merely incorrect, it is annoying. You don’t have to be a grammar Ronin to react to this as you would to a loud fart at Thanksgiving dinner. It is an offense against language,up with which I will not put!
Vizzini #454290 April 24, 2025 0
I realized after it was too late to edit, but thank goodness there was someone available to correct me….
ray #454186 April 24, 2025 4
Yeah tagging that offbeat note or beat separates good drummers and axemen from great. Pleasing to the ear. Just as you notice its dissonance, the musician already is back on beat. I can wander a little on guitar, as long as I get back to the proper chord, or at least note, at the proper time, so I don’t get lost. In between is all free time.
Hun #454141 April 24, 2025 8
I noticed that you didn’t use the more common “grammar nazi”. Hmmmm… I wouldn’t rely on AI too much. Some of its training is ebonics.
Back Away Slowly #454151 April 24, 2025 6
I am an Emmy-winning professional comedy writer, and I can tell you from vast experience that human/writer personally-selected word choice makes all the difference. I cannot tell you how many times I have sat in a room and listened to some genius pitch a joke which was exactly, perfectly tuned and timed through precise word choice, and the whole room of seriously funny people burst out laughing; and then through some editing error the line got passed along to the stage with only one word different, and suddenly it wasn’t funny anymore.Tell AI to re-write the notorious “night-town” chapter of Ulysses. Hilarity ensues. But not the kind of hilarity you were expecting. How does a computer re-write the line, “several paupers fall off a ladder” and still get the same laff? I would love to see what AI would do with Oscar Wilde: “Prism! WHERE IS THAT BABY?”
thezman #454155 April 24, 2025 19
I asked Grok to summarize Ulysses and it threated to kill me if I ever mentioned Joyce to it again.
Hun #454206 April 24, 2025 5
Tangentially, I was sitting at a bar in Pula, Croatia and on the back page of their menu was a story about James Joyce. He applied for an English teaching job in Trieste as a way to spend time in his (then) favorite part of the world. However, when he arrived, he was told that they picked someone else. He proceeded to complain about the injustice and the resulting lack of money to everybody who would listen until an English language school in Pula took pity and hired him. From that moment on, he was complaining about the low pay, the cold weather in Pula and how he hated the place… I thought to myself “what an insufferable cunt” and pledged to never read Ulysses. Unfortunately, I already read the Dubliners, but that can’t be undone.
Arshad Ali #454226 April 24, 2025 2
“Dubliners” is easy. So is “Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.” The same can’t be said for “Ulysses.” And even less so “Finnegan’s Wake.”
Hun #454228 April 24, 2025 0
Yes it is easy, but not that interesting.
Arshad Ali #454242 April 24, 2025 0
As I recall, it’s mostly a collection of short stories about not very interesting characters in Dublin.
Ostei Kozelskii #454259 April 24, 2025 0
Boy, I be that one flew off the shelves.
Rented mule #454282 April 24, 2025 0
Is any of his work available in graphic novel form ?
Zaphod #454318 April 24, 2025 0
Don’t know about that, but John Huston’s ‘The Dead’ is good.
Back Away Slowly #454246 April 24, 2025 2
Well to be fair, Dubliners is apprentice work, “Portrait” is journeyman work, Ulysses is master work, and then Finnegans Wake is just some old wanker sucking his own dick.FW could have been good as like a year-long experiment (it does have some very beautiful and very funny passages) but it was not a game worth the candle: a self-regarding jackass with talent to burn like that could have done three more books on the level of Ulysses and yet chose to waste his time on smarty-pants horse-shite. Unforgiveable vanity.But back to Dubliners: there is some good stuff in it, a lot of practice exercises, and The Dead remains a minor masterpiece. Would have been forgotten if the same prick hadn’t done the great “Portrait” and Ulysses. Oh well.
Zaphod #454319 April 24, 2025 0
Virginia Woolf’s Mrs Dalloway is Ulysses without the farts. And has been filmed successfully. Personally I enjoyed both works.
ray #454261 April 24, 2025 1
‘Finnegan’s Wake’ is the ‘Mysterium Conuinctionis’ of fiction.
Zaphod #454320 April 24, 2025 0
Conjunction of head and ass. Sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper. Commodius Vicus and all that… IYKYK. Back in the days of the early internet there was this guy called Jorn Barger (who worked on the Cyc symbolic AI White Elephant) who set out to annotate all of Finnegan’s Wake using the then novel hypertext. His site was called Robot Wisdom. Got cancelled for JQ matters and became homeless IIRC. Or maybe went head up posterior Klein Bottle mode due to too much obsession with the Wake. Dunno.
Tom K #454247 April 24, 2025 2
I read Ulysses once. Like many things that don’t leave an impression on me, it didn’t leave an impression on me. Sometimes I thinkIam an AI, and I can sympathize.
The Wild Geese Howard #454316 April 24, 2025 1
The bar you’re referring to is Uliks (Ulysses) in Pula, Croatia. I visited that bar about a decade ago. The stunning redhead behind the bar was not impressed by my ability to put away scotch since she was teetotal.
Ostei Kozelskii #454171 April 24, 2025 6
An AI named Shaq’Tr’ayvion. God help us…
Marko #454202 April 24, 2025 3
Thank you for the idea, Ostei! I asked ChatGPT: Gotcha—if you’re looking for names that are often stereotypically labeled as “ghetto” (usually meaning uniquely African American or creatively spelled names), just keep in mind that the term can be loaded or offensive depending on how it’s used. That said, here are some examples that are often associated with that style: Male:DeShawn, Tyreke, LaQuon, Marquavious Male:DeShawn, Tyreke, LaQuon, Marquavious Female:Shaniqua, LaToya, Bonquisha, Ta’Nesha Female:Shaniqua, LaToya, Bonquisha, Ta’Nesha These names reflect a tradition of creative expression and individuality in naming, which is common in many cultures. Want names for a character, a story, or just curious? These names reflect a tradition of creative expression and individuality in naming, which is common in many cultures. Want names for a character, a story, or just curious?
Ostei Kozelskii #454209 April 24, 2025 6
Ah. So “individuality” is naming every little nigglet Jailen or Jayden. Gotcha, indeed. And it’s interesting that the AI is at great pains to aver that the bizarre naming practices of negroes are actually common. This reflects the broader culture, which attempts strenuously to show us that blacks are just like everybody else, when they’re obviously not. Incidentally, an increasingly common name for male groids is Sincere (spelled variously). A strange people, our sub-Saharan friends.
1660please #454233 April 24, 2025 3
And in recent years I’ve noticed Royal, Regal, Sir, Messiah, Princess, etc., etc. They don’t lack “self-esteem,” do they?
Ostei Kozelskii #454260 April 24, 2025 2
Attempting to confer authority through naming has been one of their things for some time. Just among sportsballers, I’ve seen nuggras named God, Champ, Boss, Mister, Vyctorius, Sir (and Sirr for that extra bit of heft) and Marquis. And I suppose you could take it all the way back to Duke Ellington and Count Basie.
Rented mule #454283 April 24, 2025 0
You left out Latrina & Sacresha
Ostei Kozelskii #454295 April 24, 2025 1
Once worked with a negress named Trashondra. No foolin’. A pity, because by their lights she was intelligent and reasonably attractive. She deserved a better name. Couldn’t have done much worse.
Jack Boniface #454190 April 24, 2025 7
Fortunately, Trump doesn’t use AI or grammar checkers in his TruthSocial posts. He uses an expressive syntax of his own that’s often amusing and enrages the leftist grammar ronins.
Zaphod #454323 April 24, 2025 0
On the one hand, he doesn’t read like the Atlantic. OTOH we ngmi.
ProZNoV #454146 April 24, 2025 7
AI and ChatGPT are a tool that will have 99% of their users ”Expand my 3 bullet points into a 4 paragraph essay””Send”To which the recipient will order their AI to “condense this into 3 bullet points. Or one.”Rinse, repeat. I think we’re already there.
Johnny Ducati #454200 April 24, 2025 1
It would solve the TL;DR problem for those with short attention spans.
Tars Tarkas #454208 April 24, 2025 3
To be fair to the attention challenged, many, if not most writers drone on and on. They say in 3 paragraphs what could be said just as well in a couple of sentences.
Chris #454132 April 24, 2025 7
The Last Grammar-ai – that’s what I will call this article. I enjoyed reading this, and it really hits home. “The editors without resume” as rogue grammar police. I oftentimes see “incorrect “ usage and the schoolmarm in me immediately demands that I must correct this grave error, lest it fester and turn this poor writer to the dark side, destined to live a life of wanton destruction and debauchery. They say a Tyranny of Good Intentions is the worst possible, as the leaders are True Believers…I resist the urge, I silence the schoolmarm, and enjoy the rest of the article. I hope that one day the schoolmarm will retire; she makes fewer appearances these days…
mmack #454139 April 24, 2025 5
Ah yes, but can Grammar-ai tiea hachimaki on its head, grab a katana, and give Z the side eye 😒 as it raises the sword to strike his essay? I’m holding out for Ninj-ai: It updates your essay so fast you never see it. 🐱‍👤 In-Killshot-Out.
mmack #454140 April 24, 2025 4
Stupid WordPress! It wouldn’t take my Ninja emoji. At least the eyeroll works. 🙄
Zaphod #454324 April 24, 2025 0
Bokken, Sir. Bokken. The Eiji Yoshikawa (he was Big in Japan, you know) retelling of the Miyamoto Musashi story has this lovely vignette at the end when Musashi is in the the boat going to the Island for the duel and it mentions casually in passing that the boat passes over an octopus doing its octopussy things, oblivious on the seafloor. It’s a visual ukiyo-e woodblock print. Hard to imagine an LLM being so allusive.
Zaphod #454325 April 24, 2025 0
Meant to say it’s a woodblock print but in words. Just for a moment.
Arthur Metcalf #454169 April 24, 2025 5
This isressentiment. If you were assigned to grade 1000 essays from inner-city high school students, and tasked with re-writing those essays to make them coherent, you would tear your hair out over the simian-like grammar and conclude — correctly — that anyone with such a poor grasp of language has nothing of importance to say about anything. I daresay you would not be able to enjoy those essays. It’s when it happens toyou— whenyouare the inner-city student essay in the hands of a superior writer — that it becomes rebarbative.
Zaphod #454326 April 24, 2025 1
Rhubarbative even.
Ketchup-stained Griller #454225 April 24, 2025 0
I like to correct mistakes with another. “To” instead of “too?” Hey I think you meant to use “two.”
Fred Beans #454165 April 24, 2025 5
I wonder how this will affect Ebonics. Surely our overlords will not allow this societal enrichment to wither away due to the use of AI.
Compsci #454294 April 24, 2025 0
Tell me about it. I once had to sit through a lecture on the merits of “Spanglish”. Even before Ebonics, they were patronizing the local Hispanic population. We were told that “el trucko” was a perfectly proper substitute for “el camión”. Hell, even one Mexican student complained vigorously on the bastardization of her language. Sigh.
G Lordon Giddy #454162 April 24, 2025 5
” loquacious simpletons” a perfect description of our age.
MathGPT #454134 April 24, 2025 5
“Two plus two equals four for all possible values of two.” Ronin Robot math AI here. One plus one is ten, not two.
RealityRules #454145 April 24, 2025 4
Where Probability Calculators are headed is that they will look at all of the expressed preferences when users make the choices presented to them. Then it will begin to weigh the most likely preference, make that the highest probability and stop presenting the choice. In that sense Probability Calculators are like that horrible narcissist we all know. We have conversations with them and everything seems cool. Two weeks later you talk to them and they repeat your opinions, hypothesis and insights back at you as if they are making it up for the first time.
Nikolai Vladivostok #454131 April 24, 2025 4
If anyone doubts whether real jobs have been lost to AI yet, I can confirm some cases from my own experience.Decided to use LLMs instead of a professional editor. Both make errors so might as well go with the cheap one.Also went with AI over hiring a human illustrator.For those fuming, take heart: I estimate that my own job will be 90% replaced by AI within about a decade.Don’t worry about it. Let the bots do all the work while we hang out on the lawn playing frisbee.
Compsci #454179 April 24, 2025 8
“Don’t worry about it. Let the bots do all the work while we hang out on the lawn playing frisbee.”Huh? The sole purpose of the AI’s will be to put you on the unemployment line, not allow you free time to recreate while having your weekly paycheck deposited into your bank account. Hell, the closest we’ve gotten to this fantasy is our system of retirement at age 65 or so, and such is filled with pathology of one form or another. Those who best survive this final period of their lives simply change “jobs” to another, unpaid, function.Those folk who think they will reap the benefit of UBI because of AI efficiency are mistaken. That’s Star Trek stuff—a world without money where all material needs are met. The human species is genetically designed to struggle for existence. We’ve barely survived the transition from hunter-gatherers to agrarians to factory workers—and that took thousands of years of Darwinian selection—and we still have plenty of pathologies. Remove this and watch those pathologies increase.
Rented mule #454291 April 24, 2025 0
As my 80+ yo electrician pointed out” there is no retirement in the bible”I receantly popped smoke,I have about three years of projects on four properties.With more cropping up.I feel better already
ray #454180 April 24, 2025 0
We are SovietMen!
mmack #454195 April 24, 2025 1
WE ARE NOT MEN!We Are DEVOD-E-V-O!
Hemid #454238 April 24, 2025 0
If those guys were still as smart as when they were teenagers, we might have a great anti-chatbot anthem to sing. “Robot, make me a song about yourself in the style ofHardcore Devo Volume One.” “I’m sorry Dave…” (Early Devo was based beyond belief, as the old kids say. TheHardcorecollection is the most racist, sexist, etc. thing you can still find on Spotify since they banned all the “nazi” punk and metal bands. Don’t tell anybody.)
ray #454266 April 24, 2025 0
Stupid WordPress.
mmack #454268 April 24, 2025 1
HEY! That’s my line. 🤣
Casimir #454249 April 24, 2025 3
“In time, most people will rely on AI to write their text, and that means it will narrow to the point where most writing reads like the user manual for your toaster. This will also make stupid people seem less stupid, which is a great danger to society” The Indians are gleefully rubbing their hands together as they use AI in the commission of their scams. AI will seamlessly transform Rajesh into Roger and the boomers won’t know what hit them!
Tom K #454267 April 24, 2025 1
If someone has lived in a make-believe world all his life, that’s probably true. When I get a message telling me they’re coming to take my house because I didn’t pay a toll fee, Roger gets the hook.
Hemid #454307 April 24, 2025 2
The boomers won’t know, then when they’re gone, the rest of us will be forbidden from acting on our knowing. Failure to cooperate with Indian scams will be a hate crime. If it were up to Elon it already would be.
Brandon Laskow #454217 April 24, 2025 3
Pusillanimous popinjay! It appears that Z Man was a Lost in Space fan as a kid.
Rented mule #454177 April 24, 2025 3
Double edged sword?My youngest grandson likes Hamster maze on youtubeReceantly the creator has began to incorperate CGI, I’m sure this is a useful.tool.enableing the artist to crank out more content. My grandson doesn’t seem to notice the change. However to me it has degraded the contents artistic value & somewhat darkend the story.lines. Allthough CGI & AI are not the same I suspect results may be similar. I suppose I’ll likely fall in the 20% that prefer things a little rough around the edges, the human touch.
Vizzini #454167 April 24, 2025 3
“…the writer can simply point to the terminator and say, ‘take it up with my editor.'” Terminator: “Ah you a grammah Nazi?” No, no. Absolutely not. Carry on.
JaG #454133 April 24, 2025 3
Polish polish.
Ostei Kozelskii #454300 April 24, 2025 0
Let’s call the whole thing off.
Hi-ya #454231 April 24, 2025 2
The term technique, as I use it, does not mean machines, tech-nology, or this or that procedure for attaining an end. In our technological society, technique is the totality of methods rationally arrived at and having absolute efficiency (for a given stage of development) in every field of human activity. Its characteristics are new; the technique of the present has no common measure with that of the past.….Technique is not an isolated fact in society (as the term technology would lead us to believe) but is related to every factor in the life of modern man; it affects social facts as well as all others. Thus technique itself is a sociological phenomenon,Jacques Ellul
Zaphod #454328 April 24, 2025 1
Funny how as soon as saw ‘Technique’ and before scrolling just knew it had to be Ellul. Got exposed to his writings compulsorily as an engineering undergrad and thought he was full of it. No, I was.
Tars Tarkas #454193 April 24, 2025 2
There is a time and a place for tight, formal writing. A blog ain’t one of them. It is better served by conversational writing, IMHO. 99% of the time, the thoughts still get through, even when there are misspellings, poor grammar or even missing words. If there is ambiguity, you can always ask.“it will narrow to the point where most writing reads like the user manual for your toaster.”So AI will write in Chinglish?What the “grammar ronin” fails to understand is language is for communicating. They know what the writer meant. There’s no confusion about the idea being communicated, they just want to be an asshole and more importantly, a know-it-all.
Ostei Kozelskii #454227 April 24, 2025 3
Abandon grammar and the communicative charge of language vanishes. You can’t have the latter without the former.
Tars Tarkas #454240 April 24, 2025 0
This is like saying if you don’t always speak formally, language will break down.Plus, I do acknowledge there are times when writing should be very formal and follow all the rules. A letter to the editor (while keeping the theme) is an example. You won’t be there to clear up confusion caused by poor writing. You don’t have a well selected audience either. Books can have both. If two or more characters are having a conversation, you have to be a little more loose on the grammar to reflect how real people speak to each other in real life. If you want your characters to be believable, they have to behave and speak like normal human beings.I’m probably the last person in the world who should be commenting on this, but I believe the style should follow the form.
Ostei Kozelskii #454263 April 24, 2025 0
Well, I can tell you this–if somebody speaks too informally, you won’t know what the hell they’re trying to tell you.
Compsci #454296 April 24, 2025 1
Brings back sad memories. We lost a family member a couple years ago from Alzheimer’s disease. Toward the end she spoke very animatedly total gibberish to the family during get togethers. Everyone she spoke to nodded and pretended to listened intently. When she laughed, they’d laugh with her. Every lull in the conversation was taken to acknowledge her with an answer of sorts as best that could be made. All we could hope for was that in *her world* she was happy and engaged.
Zaphod #454327 April 24, 2025 0
I guess it depends. Edsger Dijkstra’s ‘bloggings’ about computing science were taut and formal and none the worse for it. Izaak Walton’s bloggings about fishing and other matters were discursive and none the worse for it. But for us average folks, I’m sure you’re correct.
c matt #454157 April 24, 2025 2
They were created by monks and scribes to make their lives easier. After a quick look at one of St. Paul’s letters, I believe it.
thezman #454161 April 24, 2025 5
The lore is monks first started using the full stop. Latin would use a dot to separate words sometimes, but not always. Classical Latin was usually written in one long script. Scribes and monks slowly turned the occasional dot separator into what we think of as the period and it was formalized was printing took off.
Compsci #454194 April 24, 2025 5
I’ve attempted to read such text in the past just for fun. Impossible for me to get through it without mentally inserting stops and then rereading with such in mind. Yet, they were not in use normally back then and people survived and knowledge passed down through the generations. Was this some sort if IQ test of the times? For me, periods at the end of sentences allow me to collect and process the thought before moving on to the next thought/sentence. How they read back then is beyond me.
NoName #454218 April 24, 2025 3
Compsci:“How they read back then is beyond me.”We in the 21st Century certainly have symbolic logic & mathematics & physics & chemistry & whatnot which would have bedazzled our ancestors.But I fear that all that techno-babble came at the expense of our rudimentary linguistic skills; our ancestors seemed to have had a vastly greater verbal acuity than we [their descendants] can ever even hope to mimic.In all seriousness, has anyone here, chez Z, read a 21st Century poem which was worth the time it took to read the poem?Personally, I’m not aware of any 21st Century poetry whatsoever.Heck, Robert Frost died in 1963, and I doubt that anyone in the greater Anglosphere has written a decent poem since then.
Steve #454236 April 24, 2025 1
Even worse in languages without vowels. Some words would be easy to tell from context others not so much. “chs” could be “cheese, chose, choose, chews, chase, chess, etc. Sometimes it’s a bit of mental jugglery when there are a dozen or more such words in a “sentence” going through the possibilities to select my best guess of what was trying to be communicated.
Severian #454152 April 24, 2025 2
“The printing press” is exactly right. There’s a story about one of the Henries, VII I think, who got personally involved in standardizing printed English because he couldn’t get some eggs — he was on the other side of the Thames, where the word for the chicken-butt product waseyren,so they couldn’t understand what His Majesty was asking for.
Occams Toothbrush #454311 April 24, 2025 1
At least it seems that way if you assume there is only one way to construct a sentence or that the rules of grammar are iron laws of grammar. That is often how the grammar ronin look at language and writing. The rules of grammar are not merely guides to facilitate clarity but laws that must be ruthlessly enforced. Even if the grammar rule no longer works for a modern audience, the grammar ronin insist that it must be followed lest chaos be unleashed on humanity.No copyeditor I’ve met — and I’ve met plenty — has claimed that “there is only one way to construct a sentence.” Nor has any said grammar rules “must be followed lest chaos be unleashed on humanity.” I understand you are exaggerating to make a point, but your point is mistaken.Punctuation, which you seem to find trivial, a mere matter of personal taste, exists “to facilitate clarity.”scientist’sscientistsThe first is a possessive, indicating something belonging to a scientist. The second denotes more than one scientist.Arguably a reader could discern which meaning is intended with or without the apostrophe. But imagine an entire article with no punctuation. The miserable reader would have to stop frequently to figure out the meaning from context. And that’s only for one punctuation item. Multiply the dilemma to include not only punctuation but grammar. With no concern for either on the writer’s part, the reader is in a trackless wilderness.Of course language changes over time. Most editions of Shakespeare’s plays (or Shakespeares plays if you prefer) have loads of notes to explain words or expressions unfamiliar to modern readers. And granted, there are certain useless rules or what are ignorantly thought to be rules (like not ending a sentence with a proposition — “that is something up with which I will not put,” said Churchill). But most grammar exists to act as guidelines for understanding. If you removed every street sign from Los Angeles the same roads and buildings would still be there, but navigation would be far tougher.
Gespenst #454313 April 24, 2025 0
You forgot the plural possessive:Scientists’.
Occams Toothbrush #454314 April 24, 2025 0
Oh yes. I wish I’d thought of that.
Ketchup-stained Griller #454229 April 24, 2025 1
On the other hand, when a pusillanimous popinjay takes issue with a point a writer is making but is unable to follow the logic that reaches that conclusion, so he attacks the grammar of the writer, the writer can simply point to the terminator and say, “take it up with my editor.”Shirley, you placed this sentence in the post as a test?
Filthie #454204 April 24, 2025 1
“What we call AI is actually a massive probability calculator that quickly returns the most likely answer to the user query, based on the data that has been made available to it.” Part marks, Z. Probability is a huge part of AI but at the heart, it’s just an enormously complicated decision tree or algorithm. AI’s differ because different people will set that decision tree up differently.
Tom K #454277 April 24, 2025 2
It makes extensive use of recursion with Bayesian modeling. It is not conscious so when it runs into what a sentient person experiences as cognitive dissonance, it “hallucinates” an answer. That last part is just a hunch.
Marko #454199 April 24, 2025 1
Prediction: “authenticity” will be the currency on content creation. There will be obvious, non-AI markers to distinguish real people from AI. And only perceptive people, or people in the know, will be able to tell.There will be AI soap operas: the unwashed middle will slurp it up, and production companies won’t have to pay for or put up with actors or crews. Same for YouTube slop or true crime podcasts, porn, etc. Most people will be “entertained” and that’s enough.But for the fewer curious people, or people who want authenticity, they will gravitate towards media that is plainly non-AI. For example, editing will not be a craft anymore. With human actors, editing is essential to removing the weird tics and filler sounds. I predict that human content will be very naturalistic…I even predict that “sexy” will become a girl who’s got a lazy eye or body hair, talking about makeup. Men will be bad speakers and have bad hairon purpose.Writers will intentionally use bad grammar, like BAP. It may even pass that smart people will look down on proles for watching AI, and human ugliness and the pursuit of it will be a mark of intellect.
NoName #454213 April 24, 2025 4
Marko:“human ugliness and the pursuit of it will be a mark of intellect“ Especially if you were to substitute “ugliness” with, say, “imperfection”. If my Vilfredo Pareto hunch is correct, then the 20% will yearn for imperfection in their drama & painting & music & literature, and possibly even in their religion & philosophy; whereas the 80% will demand perfection with a ruthless abandon, and might even seek to ruin those who intentionally introduce imperfection into the intellectual & religious corpus.
Zaphod #454329 April 24, 2025 0
Ultimately it means more hipsters and snuff movies. Not good.
TomA #454172 April 24, 2025 1
How sad it must be to live a life in which one’s highest aspiration is to become the town’s grammar Nazi. Greatness used to be measured by tangible accomplishment. How far we have fallen.
Arshad Ali #454147 April 24, 2025 1
“The main loser in the AI revolution will be the grammar ronin. Soon, they will not be able to find text that violates their interpretation of Strunk and White.”Probably. I take a jaundiced view of tech — each step forward makes us a bit more stupid, and takes us closer to the world of Idiocracy. With pocket calculators, our arithmetical skills atrophied; with word processors we forgot how to spell; and with AI, we’ll probably lose skill at constructing syntactically correct sentences and the ability to form coherent and flowing paragraphs.The thing about the use of language is that the rules are merely conventions and as such keep changing. If enough people write “your” when they should be writing “you’re”, maybe that will become the new rule, though it makes me cringe. After all, an ignoramus president like Harding coined the word “normalcy” when he should have used “normality.”
thezman #454153 April 24, 2025 6
The thing about the use of language is that the rules are merely conventions and as such keep changing. If enough people write “your” when they should be writing “you’re”, maybe that will become the new rule, though it makes me cringe. After all, an ignoramus president like Harding coined the word “normalcy” when he should have used “normality.”This something genuine lovers of language enjoy. I watch shows on exactly this topic as I find it interesting how the thorn dropped out of usage or how we ended up with a colon and semi-colon. The grammar ronin hate the language so they seek to torment it with their endless rules.
Marko #454237 April 24, 2025 0
Zman I enjoy the daily intercourse on your website
Ostei Kozelskii #454264 April 24, 2025 2
(resists overpowering urge to make adolescent joke)
Zaphod #454330 April 24, 2025 1
All this rough and tumble keeps the Peeping Toms on their toes.
John Q. Publicke #454335 April 25, 2025 0
I think you missed a comma….right…there. 🤣
Death Looms Splendid Isolation #454332 April 25, 2025 0
[…] …for me, according to the Z-Man: […]
A Bad Man #454302 April 24, 2025 0
AI is terrible, anodyne, banal and tries to sound dramatic. A feminine, or nerd-male voice. Plus, has a 50% error rate on facts. Nowadays, typos are a feature, not a bug — and AI trying to create fake humanity via coding in typos is blatant and false.
LineInTheSand #454216 April 24, 2025 0
Z Man has characterized AI as “a massive probability calculator” and as “a very good search engine.” Neither of these really sound like intelligence.One of the reasons that I was always skeptical of AI was my doubt that it could model meaning. How would a program model what a sentence means? How can an AI program conclude that two sentences have the same meaning?Does anyone know how these natural language generators model the meaning of a sentence? (Yes, I know I can ask an AI bot to tell me, but that’s too meta for me right now.) What is the semantic model?
RealityRules #454234 April 24, 2025 2
His description is accurate. His term, Probability Calculator is the most apt I have heard.LLMs are merely computing the most likely next character or word that should come next. They do this by analyzing massive amounts of data on the Internet.A year or so ago, highly intelligent and tech savvy dissidents were discussing the need to train our own models.Models trained on Wiki will merely regurgitate the facts as the fact checkers who run Wiki call themWhen the Probability Calculator is giving you information on subjective matters, things like how to build run and maintain a civilization, it regurgitates what it was told are facts. So it is only giving you the most probable answer from the answers that it knows.So when the model trained on White Erasure was used, no white people inhabited the past. When models trained on Regime propaganda are consulted then you will get the probability distribution within the scope of Regime propaganda.We are headed for interesting times.
Zaphod #454331 April 24, 2025 1
Ignoring sentences, how do you measure similarity between words and underlying concepts? Embeddings. GIYF. Stretch that out to sentences, paragraphs, documents and you’re into Transformers. GIYF again. It’s a big subject and I don’t understand it well, but basically you encode words as vectors in n-dimensional space (n quite high… of order of 10K-ish IIRC) and then look at cosine similarities between embeddings. How do you generate embeddings? That’s another story. GIYF. There’s a lot more to it. But obviously machine translation works quite well at this stage… far, far, better than the older methods.
Concerned Bystander #454138 April 24, 2025 -1
My spouse learned a rule of grammar so thoroughly in school that he cannot resist correcting it when hearing it misspoken, usually by news readers. Needless to say, this is not a recipe for domestic harmony. Responding that English is a living language, and that usage changes the rules over time has no effect. This is not a divorce-worthy offense, but I would urge fellow grammar Nazis to take note. It is not an endearing trait.
mmack #454142 April 24, 2025 4
but I would urge fellow grammar Nazis to take note. It is not an endearing trait. So I should take the jack boots off when I edit my wife’s FakeBook posts for spelling and grammar? 😏 (It’s sooooo cool the sound they make as I march through the house wearing them while editing posts on the phone 😉)
Concerned Bystander #454150 April 24, 2025 2
If your wife requested your assistance, then that is a sweet example of domestic cooperation. Yelling at the television while other people in the room are covering their ears is not.
mmack #454181 April 24, 2025 4
She DID tell me to stop hummingPanzerliedas I stomped around editing her posts. So there’s that. 😉
Ostei Kozelskii #454182 April 24, 2025 4
OTOH, the descriptivist approach to lexicography is a slippery slope to epistemological chaos. Just because people use “impact” as a verb doesn’t make it correct. And whipeepo is not an actual word. Yes, overweening grammar Stasi can be annoying, but they do serve a purpose as tinpot linguistic guardians. I don’t despise them.
Compsci #454298 April 24, 2025 0
Ack, but turning nouns into verbs is under the my definition of “style”.
Ostei Kozelskii #454304 April 24, 2025 0
Yeah, I abominate it.
Arthur Metcalf #454184 April 24, 2025 6
You already have this all around you now. 99% of the population is functionally illiterate and cannot tell you the difference between a direct and indirect object. You can enjoy these havens of literacy like Zman right now, because your grammar Nazis have kept nightwatch over cavemen. You can sip coffee and pontificate over descriptivism and prescriptivism leisurely, much like Boomers in their gated communities watch Fox News while the borders are overrun and Indians colonize the workplace.English is indeed a living language. You will learn to speak it the way the subaltern classes speak it, and soon. You’ll miss the grammar Nazis when you are struggling to understand Indian and Latino English in the hospitals and the courts.
Rented mule #454205 April 24, 2025 0
Wow! nah I’m going out in a pile.of hot brass


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