I can’t say this often enough and loudly enough: FVCK ISRAEL! I’m sick and tired of having that country in my face each and every day of my life. I can’t turn on the news without hearing about fvcking Israel! EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. OF. MY. LIFE. It’s just like how gay propaganda has to be in our face all the time. STOP!

I always post this Sobran classic when the non-Whites are whining about us on Twitter:“Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.”

This may be hearsay, but I’ve read that Buckley didn’t have nearly as much money as he appeared to have, and thatNational Reviewalways operated at a loss and was kept afloat by wealthy benefactors. Buckley’s defenestration of the paleocons like Sobran and his denunciation of Buchanan may well tip us off to (((who))) those benefactors were.It’s also interesting that when the Catholic Buckley retired, he handed the reins of NR off to the (ahem) “non-Catholic” Jonah Goldberg.And finally Buckley was a CIA man, and we know that the Deep State manipulated the media for many years.Add it all up and it appears that Buckley was probably ZOG-controlled opposition.

Thanks for a fantastic show, Z. It really was about envy. Sobran and Sam Francis were both brilliant writers who were banished because of envy. Sobran’s New York Times headline “New York Destroyed by Earthquake; Women and Minorities Hit Hardest” is one of his best.

The Sobran affair was important, but it was far from the first example of what was later called Cancel Culture! M. E. Bradford suffered a similar fate during the Reagan admin. And in “academia,” conservative/right-wing candidates for positions were being weeded out for consideration by the 80’s, and very probably earlier, just for their views. By the time Sobran lost his NR position, Political Correctness was already rampant. I was there.

For the last 25 years of his life, Buckley didn’t even care about politics. It was all about fame. Joe Sobran was a solid guy who wrote the forward for one of Bob Whitaker’s books. In the long run, Sobran, Francis and Whitaker will have great influence over this century. Buckley will have none.

Tucker Carlson interviewed Rick Sanchez a few days ago. Both have been fired and hurled into the void by the same places. Comparing notes, they both agreed that they generally had journalistic freedom – as long as they never crossed the neo-cons. They went right to the edge of noticing the real reason they couldn’t criticize our war machine – but wouldn’t say it. Could almost see the root cause hanging in the air around them in that interview.

I’m looking forward to listening to this – but I listened to your last show with Paul Ramsey and the comments about the space program’s stagnation got me thinking about how it lines up with the stagnation of our industries and our culture as well. The space program was such a jolt of energy and innovation to our society and you can draw a straight line from it to the computing revolution and everything that came from it. But the space program became nonfunctional and a DEI boondoggle, our bureaucracies became totally soy and feminized, and now our culture and technology is the same way. It all feels tied together, one followed the other. We replaced this incredible space program with critical race theory and it destroyed the vitality of our society.

Not just King George; all the old royal regimes were far less intrusive and oppressive than the modern “democratic” state.

“Even today, public officials feel they must publicly swear loyalty to Israel for fear of being cancelled.”My guess is that it’s more blackmail than any sort of organic cancellation. Besides the Epstein’s goy children rape ring taking place on an island filled with hidden cameras, a majority of VPN companies are owned by Israelis with ties to Israeli intelligence, as are many internet relay, TCP/IP, etc companies – and, I just read, the Carbyne 911 emergency response system that snarfs up GPS data, live video feeds, and audio from callers’ smartphones. It seems that spying for political blackmail may be Israel’s biggest industry.Just as astrophysicists can intuit invisible black holes from how other visible objects behave, it seems obvious that from the public behavior of say Lindsey Graham and John Roberts that it is likely that they are being blackmailed. I imagine many if not most powerful American and European leaders are.

I was a deep libertarian in those days, and while I thought the Paleocons made some good points, I also thought they were hopelessly out of touch with the evolving culture. That much was true, but I didn’t realize then that culture (and the genetics associated with it) was the true battlefield, not the material economy. I also believed that Israel and its diaspora were on our side, or could be won over to it. Such is the folly of youth.However, what happened to Sobran, Sam Francis, and even Pat Buchanan was an eye opener, and helped me start to realize that something was rotten in Denmark.

In trying to explain the treacherous behavior of people like Buckley who are so willing to betray their own flesh and blood, I can only surmise that this is what happens when a culture is transformed from one based on honor (pre-WWII) to one based on mercantilism (post-WWII). Naturally, he calculates that it would benefit him more to show fealty to his new masters, who can only thrive when every man sees himself an individual and is always for sale.

The second modern dollar coin (after the Susan B. Anthony debacle) had James Madison on the face. It was gold in color so that it was less easy to confuse with a quarter than the Susan B. Too bad it never caught on. Here in Europe the smallest bill is a five euro note.Insofar as Israel is concerned, it seems to me that the time has come and gone for there to be a Jewish state in the Levant. But for US support, Israel would have gone the way of the Crusader Kingdoms, and, as other commentators have noted, the US is a receding power, Israel’s fate is likely to be that of the Crusader Kingdoms. I doubt that even its nuclear weapons can save it.

It is a good reminder that you can think well of someone in the whole, even though they have done you wrong, in your view, over a particular issue. Even the best men have terrible flaws.this is very well said and it’s heartening to know this about sobran. There’s a temptation to write people off and throw them out if their flaws do damage. Perhaps there is some distance that needs to be kept but to not forgive not speak to the person or hold a grudge for decades which can happen shows a lack of charity and indicates a small soul. im really talking to myself really. People have real flaws, it’s an eternal lit of man on this side of eternityits what is really meant by turning the other cheek and forgiving 777 times or whatever.it doesn’t mean being a doormat like the pagans on the right consistently accuse Christians of.

The problem with the Holocaust is America and Britain had absolutely nothing to do with it and spent enormous blood and treasure fighting the people doing it. Yet, for some ungodly reason, every friggin city in the US has a Holocaust museum and cries of “Never Again” against all White people!!! The Russians also spent enormous blood and treasure fighting the NAZIs and they hate the Russians more than ever.This is the problem with minorities (foreigners) living in your midst. They endlessly agitate for what they care about. I couldn’t care less about the holocaust. I take great offense to the holocaust museum in my city. It sickens me that they force our children to attend their museum of lies.David Cole, a Jewish Holocaust “skeptic” (I don’t think he is a skeptic anymore) proved films the holocaust museum were forcing kids to watch as real historical footage is literally a B-movie made after the war., Not a single Nazi in it. He found the source complete with credits. He has a bunch of other examples of BS fakery in these museums all over America. Like everything else in America, it’s just a big grift.

Charles Lindbergh Jr got cancelled for it hardest and first and Charles Lindbergh got cancelled later.

In homage to Sobran’s talent for pithy sayings that embody a general truth, may I offer the following. . . “Endless diagnosis cures nothing”

The canceling of Sobran and Buchanan was the beginning of my exit from conservatism. I had been a faithful reader of NR and Human Events and a supporter of the standard GOP platform. When the “conservatives” turned on Sobran and Buchanan, I was amazed that these two stalwarts had become pariahs because they were insufficiently devoted to Israel. I was well aware of the Jewish taste for Communism/Socialism and their control of the Democratic Party but I was not aware of their massive influence on the GOP and conservatism. You don’t have to do much digging to find the Jewish roots of so many of our disasters: the Middle East wars, the free trade policy that has eviscerated our productive economy, the deluge of legal and illegal immigrants, the pollution of our culture with abortion, pornography, and transgenderism. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. It will be the undoing of Trump if he allows MIGA to trump MAGA and gets us in a war with Iran.

The highest profile deportations and the reasons for them tell you everything. That and the professors and authors of advocacy for White genocide was never and is never criticized. Look at Eric Kauffman. He is a leading, “right winger.”Has the Speaker of The House ever given a speech like this on behalf of America and of Americans?https://pelosi.house.gov/news/press-releases/pelosi-remarks-at-aipac-conference-this-morningAnd of course, this one surrounded by her bosses:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53x_zrkJwDsNote the corrections where she didn’t use the proper propaganda words. ‘How many time s do we have to correct you Nancy. It is not aid it is cooperation.’ Interesting choice of word substitution. You will cooperate or you will be primaried!!!!“If this capital crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our aid, let’s not call it aid, let’s call it cooperation, our cooperation with Israel. That is fundamental to who we are.”

I also remember reading National Review in High School. Your description of Buckley’s writing is spot on. It became too much of a chore for me to read most of his stuff back then. As time went on I slogged through it on the occasion of a NR purchase while traveling. How interesting it is to look back at these times when Sobran, Buchanan and a lot of these guys were doing their best work. Easy to see now. Not so easy when living through it. The dissident realist in me looked to these guys for a proper perspective. I’m not sure anything coming out of NR helped me as much as they did.From a North American White Anglo Saxon Protestant’s perspective we are not the same we are not equal they are not like us. Other than tea and sympathy what allegiance do we owe Israel or any of the other countries? None! Relegating the Federal Government to enumerated powers only combined with an avoidance of foreign entanglements will get us to a good starting point for reform. Like that will happen ever or anytime soon. Buckley’s shenanigans reminds me of Paul Ryan’s declaration of “this is not who we are” diatribe. Cancelling the voices of guys like Sobran are a poor substitute for identity creation. Pussies do that shit. Get out of NATO. Focus on North America.

‘It is a good reminder that you can think well of someone in the whole, even though they have done you wrong, in your view, over a particular issue’ Good counsel. ‘Even the best men have terrible flaws’ They do. There are no exceptions. It’s tough to be a saint on a cursed planet. The evil’s already there, waiting for ya. The idea is to take from the ‘best of men’ what they have to offer, and to recognize and celebrate their contributions. But don’t confuse them with God.

Describing the jihad against wrong thinkers as domestic terrorism is a accurate assessment. Ron Unz has written about earlier columnists who were canceled for angering the tribe. There was one, whose name escapes me, who was the top columnist in the country before WW2. He started questioning the official narrative off WW2. Oy vey. He was canceled and memory holed. I had never even heard of him before Unz wrote about his situation. Does anyone know his name?

Most people think “Cancel Culture” is a recent phenomenon. Us older dissidents remember when even the mildest criticism of Israel or Jewish political/media influence could instantly financially ruin you, or worse! Ernst Zundel, Pat Buchanan, and others come to mind.

On the bright side, the Sobran/Buchanan cancellation was the beginning of my exit from conservatism. It made clear that Jews had a massive influence on the Right and not just the Left. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. MIGA will be the undoing of MAGA if Trump can be induced to make war on Iran

I lived in Ft Smith Arkansas from 92-96 (business relo). It’s just a little town, that’s seen better days. People were interested in hunting, NASCAR and football. I never found anyone political, altho they all hated Bubba. I think Buckley opened a map and found Ft Smith for his fake letter. If he had to choose Arkansas, Bentonville would have been better.

Christopher Buckley (William’s son) repaid the libel that William F. imposed on his own father, and threw in his mother for good measure. His book,Losing Mum and Pup, portrays his mother as a pathological liar and William F as an uninterested, self-centered father who contemplated suicide towards the end of his life. What goes around, comes around, I suppose.Another example of cancel culture involvingNational Reviewwas the termination from further writing for NR of John Derbyshire, for daring to speak frankly and not altogether favorably about blacks in an article for another publication. That termination was engineered by Rich Lowry, following the NR tradition established by Buckley. It’s a shame, because I began reading NR in 1979 and continued well into the 1980s, and it helped me on my journey to the dissident right.The limitations on expression today are very much like those in medieval Europe–you could express opinions and debate theological matters, but the debate had to be kept within certain limits. If you went outside those limits, you became a heretic, and could even be executed if you persisted in your heresy. The age of free inquiry may have been a brief moment in history.

That opening letter was really more “straw man” than “macguffin” but yeah it’s so ham-fisted it’s insulting, reads like one of those gay-guy actorswith the brand new “hillbilly” ballcapon YouTube is speaking it. Embarrassed I ever thought well of Buckley. Gatekeeping back then was merciless, as a young, casual conservative never even heard of some of these guys. Contrast that with people like Tucker today whose stuff I’ve watched more frequently *after* he was “deplatformed”. (Or heck, even Sailer, whose stuff I probably never would have read if NR kept him under their banner).

Best show in a long time, Z. You brought me back to Sobran, Buchanan and Rothbard. A great time to be political junkie.

So funny thing last week I was at my dad’s forced to watch the electric Jew with him, and there was some kind of interview going with some guy named Perlman (not Ron Perlman but similarly shaped head) who had written some kind of book about Buckley. According to him when he was 19 he just happened to write a letter to Buckley who took him on as a protege, which I assume is the interview dancing around this guy being Buckley’s rent boy.

I dont even know what the occidental club means lol

I have an interesting background in the context of this subject. In the 1970s and early 80s I was associated with the core of the “neo-conservative” movement. That was an organization called Social Democrats USA, a remnant of the Socialist Party of Norman Thomas. SDUSA was the organization from which the neocons sprang. It was a faction originally of Trotskyists centered around City University of New York, and a professor there named Max Schachtman, who was a former associate of Trotsky himself.It was a small organization, and so I became acquainted with people in it and associated with it such as Norman Podhorrid, Irving Krystol, Jean Kirkpatrick, Richard Perle, Carl Gershman, Tom Khan, etc. These guys actually invented the term “neo-conservatives” themselves sometime in the 1970s; only later would they deny association with the term. I like to call them neo-Trots.The neo-Trots had figured out that the Socialist Party was going nowhere, so they figured they could gain power by taking over the labor movement and through it the Democratic Party. They were successful in gaining a foothold in the AFL-CIO, partly through the American Federation of Teachers. Tom Khan, for instance, became the right-hand man to AFL-CIO President George Meany. But they weren’t successful in controlling it. Nor could they take over the Democratic Party, because the New Left was there first, and had far more people (I should point out that the SDUSA was pro-Vietnam war). So they turned to the Republican Party, starting with the Reagan campaign in 1990 (before that they regarded Reagan as a stumbling moron). This was more successful, in part because Republicans were dumber than Democrats at the time, and regarded anyone who had read a few books and could speak in complete sentences as an intellectual.Before that happened I had bailed out and decided that real conservatism was a better fit. So I got involved with the Republicans independently, and wound up working in the Senate and later the Reagan White House. There I witnessed perhaps the first example of cancellation, when the neo-Trots put the kibosh on the nomination of Mel Bradford as head of the National Endowment for the Humanities, around 1985. Bradford was a distinguished professor who had dared challenge the sainthood of Abraham Lincoln. He was thoroughly trashed by the usual suspects, and this brought into the open the conflict between the neos and the paleos.Later I also became friends with Joe Sobran. By the way, his background was Ruthenian, or as they’re called now, Ukrainian. One of my favorite of his aphorisms was, “Politicians don’t have principles. They have positions.” As I remember it, Buckley was very open to him about his subservience to the Establishment, and tried to get him to go along. I seem to recall that the final betrayal was triggered not by a column, but by a speech Sobran gave somewhere criticizing the Sacred Ally. Buckley was a fake intellectual and a real snake; and I’ve seen evidence that he got the funds to start National Review from the CIA.Anyway, Sobran lost his column by accepting the Vice Presidential nomination of something called the Constitution Party in 2000. His friends warned him it was a bad idea, because his column was the only thing keeping him afloat financially at the time, but he had begun drinking fairly heavily at that point, which reinforced his stubborn streak. His column space was taken over by none other than Ann Coulter. He never got it back, and afterwards survived on the proceeds from a monthly newsletter. It was a very sad end for a brilliant man.

You mentioned Buckley’s plainly bogus story of a 1937 Sharon CT crossburning. Yes he was a hopeless liar but he was not really creative enough for total fabrication. That ridiculous story was probably a riff on the actual 1944 vandalism perpetrated by his sisters on a Sharon Episcopal church, after the priest broke a local taboo and sold his house to a Jew. Paternal table talk was apparently involved in the real incident as well. The vandalism was reported in the local paper, The Lakeville Journal.Unlike some my loathing of Buckley has been seamless. His famous encounter with an opponent even more vicious, Gore Vidal, on ABC at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago, is a reliable source of joy. To get to the black heart Buckley, I recommend “Parry and Thrust” by Jim Holt, in the Fall 2018 issue of Lapham’s Quarterly. Holt notes Buckley’s role as a conservative gatekeeper and the impact of that 1944 incident on what I suppose we have to call his “character”. Also its an excellent piece of writing.

I think it’s only right to give the full quotation. The envy part is important:The concept of envy — the hatred of the superior — has dropped out of our moral vocabulary. Liberalism has fuzzy ideas of historical guilt, but not original sin, or pride, or envy, which is pride’s obverse. The idea that white Christian civilization is hated more for its virtues than its sins doesn’t occur to us, because it’s not a nice idea. Not that its sins aren’t considerable; but to the envious, sin is more forgivable than virtue.Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call “minorities.”

The people who say the (holocaust) was all made up, those people are nuts Zman To most people nowdays, who barely think at all,bigotrymeans hating people of other races. But bigotry doesn’t always mean that sort of hate, or indeed any sort of hate. More basically, it means a sort of stupidity: indignant bafflement that others can disagree with you, along with an inability to comprehend why they do and a refusal to deal with the reasons they actually give. To most people nowdays, who barely think at all,bigotrymeans hating people of other races. But bigotry doesn’t always mean that sort of hate, or indeed any sort of hate. More basically, it means a sort of stupidity: indignant bafflement that others can disagree with you, along with an inability to comprehend why they do and a refusal to deal with the reasons they actually give. Joseph Sobran

I read not only NR in the 80s but most of WFB’s Cold War spy novels (I think he fancied himself the American LeCarre). Blackford Oakes was our guy as he matched wits with a host of dastardly commies in “Saving the Queen”, Stained Glass”, and “Operation Mongoose”. He was a brilliant writer for sure. Also used to watch his weekly talk show on PBS, Firing Line. You can still find this show on YT I’m pretty sure. The show with George Wallace c 1968 or 69 (before he was shot) was incredible.

Honest question: where is your Weds podcast wirh RamZPaul? is there a unique link to it?some of the trouble I have with folks on our side, is that they are sometimes on obscure websites (not saying you and Paul are).bur it’s so hard to find them, and then if I do, it involves about 4 click-through, to get to the page where I can press Play… but I can’t ever relocate it again!

Everybody knows the Nazis were anti-Semitic and did horrible things to Jews. The dispute is whether or not there was some grand plan to exterminate Jews that ended up killing six million in concentration camps. You can believe the former without believing the latter.

Are Jews Europeans?

I think the description Z was looking for to describe Buckley is “snake in the grass”.

Ok, I got my Occidental Club tee shirt – but frankly, I’m not sure of the meaning. Help me out here!

I thought Robert Welch was his first victim.

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Oh for Christ’s sake, Z-man, did you have to stir up the anti-semites? They already have a splinter in their brains so big that they think that Hamas and Hezbollah are worthy of sympathy. I haven’t ready the comment thread yet, but I can imagine what its like. Yep, there it is: First comment in. Like waving red meat in front of a pack of hyenas.