Attritional Drone War

Prior to the start of the Ukraine war, it was assumed that the Russians, if they desired, could quickly smash the Ukrainian army. Russia is a big country with a big army and Ukraine is not as big, but few understood that it had a big army. At the start of the war, it had an army of 350,000, with a similar number in reserve. Fewer anticipated the hundreds of billions in NATO weapons and money. Everyone, including the Russians, expected a short war, but instead it is a long war.

One main reason for this is technology. The Russians badly miscalculated how the war would unfold, but they also failed to adapt to new technology, specifically the use of drones in frontline battles. Their first taste of drone warfare was the Bayraktar TB2 drones supplied by the Turks to the Ukrainians. This is a medium-altitude long-endurance vehicle that allowed the Ukrainians to precisely aim their artillery at Russian formations, as well as directly attack those formations.

The Russians have proven to be quick learners. They rushed to embrace the new technology and have now taken it in directions few anticipated. First person video drones are now the primary weapon in the Russian arsenal, used to not only attack Ukrainian men and material, but used to shape the battlefield. This new use of drones came to the fore in the Ukrainian Kursk offensive, which concluded last week with a stunning Ukrainian defeat.

The “Kursk incursion” as the Ukrainians called it, was an attack across the Russian border to gain control of the nuclear facilities in the Kursk region. There is a nuclear power plant there and a storage facility for nuclear weapons. It is unclear what weapons, if any, are stored there, but Ukraine wanted to gain control of it as well as the power plant for the purpose of nuclear blackmail. The Russians would either surrender or Ukraine creates another Chernobyl.

The Russians managed to stop the Ukrainian offensive, but instead of it becoming a stalemate or requiring the Russians to spend men and material to keep the Ukrainians bottled up, it became a killing field for Ukraine due to the Russian use of drones to police every square meter of the region. The air over the Ukrainian formations was full of drones twenty-four hours a day. Any effort to move men and material at any scale was detected and attacked by drones.

To understand how drones are now used by the Russian army and to a lesser extent the Ukrainian army, this Turkish YouTube channel provides video of drone attacks with a AI generated voice over. There are three things to notice. One is that the drone operators can fly these things into the tightest of spaces. This allows them to hunt for assets inside of buildings and hidden in wooded areas. These things are like a swarm of birds that have cameras and explosives.

The other thing is they can now operate at night. This is a Russian innovation that Ukraine has not matched. Russian FPV drones have night vision and infrared cameras, so they can spot men moving around at night. The “solution” to constant drone surveillance during the day was to move men and material around at night, but now there is no hiding from the drone swarms after dark. In Kursk, the Ukrainians were under twenty-four-hour surveillance and attack.

The third thing is the drones are essentially networked together either through the tether to the drone operators or through the over-the-air system. Fiber optic drones rely on a fiber optic cable to communicate with the operator. The operator is then connected to the Russian command and control system. The effect is that the drones in the sky have created a twenty-four-hour-a-day information space over the battlefield. This massive data collection system is then used to anticipate changes.

These parts of the evolving use of drones all came together in the stunning rout of the Ukrainians in the Kursk region last week. The Russians could accurately predict where Ukrainian men and material will be at all times, so they could plan the stunning move through the gas pipelines to put troops behind the Ukrainians in Sudzha. They could also be ready for when the Ukrainians reacted to hit them with drones and drone-controlled artillery and glide bombs.

Kursk has become a model for drone attritional war. Filling the sky with networked suicide and surveillance drones is the first step. This prevents the enemy from gathering their forces for an attack. Instead, they are required to spread out and hide everything from the ever-present drones. The next step is to use the drones to shape the activity of the enemy in order to create an opportunity. The final step is to use the drones as part of combined arms assault on the enemy.

Of course, the same rules apply to the attacker. Even though the Ukrainian drones are not as good and numerous as the Russian drones, they still have lots of them, which means the Russians must disperse their resources as well. The battle for Kursk quickly turned into two armies spread thin across a wide area in order to avoid becoming an easy target for drones. This is why it took seven months for the Russians to dislodge the Ukrainians from the area.

To understand how this changes war, imagine if two armies are only equipped with long bows and crossbows. One the one hand, the longbowman can attack any grouping of men on the other side and vice-versa. Everyone must hide in buildings and underground bunkers. On the other hand, small assault groups of crossbowmen go out to hunt the enemy in close quarter assaults. Once they secure an area, more men come into to take up positions.

This is the battlefield in the drone age. Tanks and armored personnel carriers still operate, but they are easily spotted by drones. Even those equipped with electronic warfare countermeasures are vulnerable. Often, they are simply used to transport men on a one-way trip. As soon as the vehicle is disabled by the drone, the men scatter before the drones finish off the machine. Armor is often just an expensive delivery mechanism for small groups of men.

This is why the Ukraine war drags on. On the one hand, the Russians are unwilling to lose men and machines on big assaults due to the threat of drones. On the other hand, they have adapted the new technology to slowly hunt small groups of Ukrainians and individual pieces of equipment. Since Ukraine is fixated on holding territory, this attritional drone war lumbers along at a snail’s pace. In Kursk, the Ukrainians lost about four hundred men a day to these small-scall attacks.

We are, of course, at the cusp of drone war, but it is not hard to imagine how this could change the nature of war. At the start of the technological revolution, technology was the great dis-equalizer. It gave America a massive edge over the rest of the world in terms of military power. Now, at the end of the technological revolution, technology is becoming a great equalizer. Cheap drones are turning expensive, high-tech weapons into liabilities and returning war to a battle of men and wits.


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redbeard #448241 March 18, 2025 8:37 am 85
Imagine drones being used for good, to better humanity like searching for unpermitted chicken coops and then hammering the lower middle class owners with fines.
Mycale #448244 March 18, 2025 8:47 am 47
Just picture all the Amish who can be rounded up for selling unpasteurized milk!
Arthur Metcalf #448249 March 18, 2025 8:50 am 30
Can’t be more than a few years before Sheriff Smoldik Roscoe and his diversity deputy L’Shelle are telling residents of Pine Fork Bluff Anytown USA that the 9-man PD will need a fleet of 50 drones next year, no questions asked, Gus.
Fred Beans #448251 March 18, 2025 8:52 am 27
Or taking out people who post hurty words on things like unrestricted illegal border crossings!
ProZNoV #448268 March 18, 2025 9:32 am 14
In my city (pop 250,000), I phoned in a complaint about a “POD” that was being used as additional storage on my very narrow, minimal parking street. “Tap tap tap…yeah, I can see it’s been there a few months. Call this number and the city will take care of it”. I’ve no idea what he was looking at on the other end of the line at his computer screen. But my general impression was before/after drone and/or routine aerial surveillance taking photo sweeps.
Jack Dobsen #448270 March 18, 2025 9:39 am 20
No doubt the Zombie National Review soon will make The Conservative Case for Liquidating Zoning Code Violators. Drones are very much part of the police state apparatus that runs this country even now.
RealityRules #448347 March 18, 2025 12:51 pm 2
Interesting anecdote. This may explain why the China balloon and NJ drone stories became a sensation. You hype up the China menace. Check! You set the stage for normalizing constant drone surveillance to safeguard against China and other terrorist threats. Check! Reading this comment section of people who seem up on the latest in military tech and it seems that Ellysium was a premonition where they consulted SV and the MIC.
ray #448289 March 18, 2025 10:12 am 6
Brilliant! Consider Langley notified. The longed-for Singularity is when the drones Become One with the chickens. The Big Bio-Merge. As Le Orange says, it is a beautiful thing. And these are beautiful, uh, people.
Vizzini #448348 March 18, 2025 12:52 pm 1
Chimkins r not real!
Pozymandias #448350 March 18, 2025 12:58 pm 1
I have noticed that my chicken is a bit “crunchy” these days.
ray #448361 March 18, 2025 2:18 pm 1
Xtra Crispy.
Chris #448291 March 18, 2025 10:14 am 12
Which raises questions regarding the 4th Amendment. Police cannot search your property without a warrant, but what about the airspace above your property? How far above your property does that airspace extend?
PrimiPilus #448312 March 18, 2025 11:20 am 3
Look up: Curtilage …. Had to work with that on missions in my old life.
Dutchboy #448318 March 18, 2025 11:32 am 13
You will be told that if you have anything observable from the air, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Compsci #448324 March 18, 2025 11:43 am 5
Same regarding “curtilage”. You can’t trespass upon it for the reason of finding evidence, but if you can see it from the “street” all bets are off.
The Wild Geese Howard #448379 March 18, 2025 6:44 pm 2
That is the exact same excuse they use to violate your 4th Amendment rights with the license plate scanners in the traffic cameras and police cars.
3g4me #448325 March 18, 2025 11:43 am 12
I’veread that insurance companies have been using drones (to assess the condition of a roof or ‘clutter’ in a yard) to then cancel home owner’s insurance – at least in Florida and California. People complain, but I have not heard of a law suit trying to ban this on constitutional grounds. Hint: When in doubt, do not put your trust in ‘constitutional rights.’
TempoNick #448344 March 18, 2025 12:27 pm 3
They also do that with car insurance, to see determine if there are uninsured drivers living within a household driving vehicles insured by somebody else like their parent.
Compsci #448362 March 18, 2025 2:21 pm 2
Hell, in my County, the County itself takes aerials of your property and the boundaries of the plat map can be superimposed to specifically define just who is who. They do this to check for additional property “improvements”. This is available to all. My insurance company pulled it down to assess the condition of my roof for insurance purposes last year. When I took a look years ago, I saw that the plane filming caught me in the yard. I’m now famous (I guess).
3g4me #448374 March 18, 2025 4:48 pm 0
We almost never have any overflights or contrailshere (to the point that when we hear any engine, husband and I wonder what/who it is and go looking). On the google maps satellite view, you cannot see our cabin for all the trees. There were a couple of days last week when there were some loud helicopter flights in the area – I’m assuming because of the incoming weather – but I can’t identify one helicopter from another, so who knows.
Nikolai Vladivostok #448381 March 18, 2025 6:58 pm 7
My property extends up to the edge of the atmosphere and even into the far reaches of space. Whole galaxies belong to me, their inhabitants only waiting to be informed.
Dutchboy #448317 March 18, 2025 11:30 am 13
Soon enough, drones will be everywhere observing everything. You won’t be able to spit on the street without a drone observing it, IDing you with facial recognition, and ordering a computer to send you a citation.
Ride-By Shooter #448321 March 18, 2025 11:40 am 14
“IDing you with facial recognition” That won’t apply to dark brown ghetto rats who, already, are allowed to ride local public transit with their faces masked even in warm weather to prevent detection.
Compsci #448331 March 18, 2025 11:53 am 9
Yep. The one saving Grace may lie in the public’s revulsion of such. In my State this worked in the aspect of “red light cameras”. These were banned Statewide. However, the companies that market and run such continue to buy off legislators and the aspect of reinstatement comes up frequently. The solution is to take out the monetary incentive for the camera’s use. That of course evades the typical pol’s we put in office.On the other hand, technology advances in new cars can make possible self reporting for driving infractions, such as speeding. Insurance companies now offer discounts for allowing such information to be recorded and sent to them for analysis. It’s a “Brave New World” as they say. I’ll have little regret in leaving it soon.
Dutchboy #448376 March 18, 2025 5:48 pm 1
The red light cameras were a dud here in the San Diego area too.
Nikolai Vladivostok #448382 March 18, 2025 7:01 pm 3
And yet we know that they’ll continue to ignore certain offenders and offences. Your unapproved shed will get you swatted while their shoplifting and street crime will continue, unmolested by the law.
Xin Loi #448390 March 19, 2025 6:08 am 0
“IDing you with facial recognition, and ordering a computer to send you a citation” A citation, or something a bit more kinetic.
Nick Noltes Mugshot #448322 March 18, 2025 11:41 am 12
Insurance companies are using drone surveillance on their customer’s homes to raise rates and cancel policies. Only the beginning of unrestrained corporate and government abuses.
TempoNick #448328 March 18, 2025 11:46 am 5
Yeah, one ongoing thing I harp on, on local pages, is how local Democrats were more than happy to fleece us through traffic cameras so long as they were getting bribes under the table from Redflex. And the dumb Democrats happy with their subsistence living on the plantation won’t ever hold them to account.
The Wild Geese Howard #448368 March 18, 2025 3:12 pm 6
Correct. The short film, “Slaughterbots,” is completely wrong that AI drone swarms will be used to go after the spawn of Cloud People undergoing communist indoctrination at university. In reality, the first targets will be the Amish and off-grid homesteaders.
Jack Boniface #448252 March 18, 2025 8:54 am 51
Wait. At the beginning of this war, Ursula von der Leyen said the Russians only had computer chips “cannibalized from washing machines.” They must have some great washing machines.
3 Pipe Problem #448265 March 18, 2025 9:22 am 11
Those shovels must’ve been pretty hi-tech as well!
Hemid #448271 March 18, 2025 9:42 am 8
It was a preview of the official history. The Russian army will have beenKorean concentration camp prisonerswielding shovel-shaped novelty cocktail stirrers from the backs of petting zoo miniature donkeys. Elite Ukrainian snipers pushed aside their camwhore ring lights and killed them all, two or three to a bullet. Their remotely operated butt plugs never wavered (visibly).
The Infant Phenomenon #448272 March 18, 2025 9:44 am 17
“They must have some great washing machines.” The origin of up-to-50%-whiter White Russians.
Curious Monkey #448295 March 18, 2025 10:21 am 7
Washing machines with GPUs who would thunk it!
Tars Tarkas #448297 March 18, 2025 10:29 am 24
Why the hell are there any washing machines with computer chips in them? It’s a terrible environment for chips and an easy point of failure. I think LG has a washing machine with wifi and remote control of the washing machine via this wifi and a phone app. WHY? What purpose could this possibly serve given it’s a washing machine that you have to physically visit in order to put clothes in it! It’s just another spying machine. I remotely monitor my fully analog washing machine with a new invention called my ears.Despite being a lifelong lover of tech, particularly computer tech, they are turning me into a Luddite. Tech for tech’s sake is usually terrible. Look at what they have done to cars! All of it to save 100 dollars in physical buttons, door handles and real gauges.
3g4me #448330 March 18, 2025 11:52 am 9
Any home appliance with a board and chips in it is utimately useless. We wasted a LOT of money replacing the burned-out board in my GE dual fuel (gas burners and electric oven) stove – twice – because it could not withstand the heat from the self cleaning option. Now I have a simple, older gas stove that runs on propane. Wish I had more space and could better adjust the burner flames, but it has no chips. Also, never buy a fridge with the ice maker in the fridge section (i.e. freezer on bottom but ice maker in the top. Wasted moneyreplacingthat too.
Compsci #448335 March 18, 2025 12:07 pm 5
You are right to be suspicious. In some cases, the “reason” isblithelyrevealed. Our electric power company once offered to replace our a/c thermostats with the new “NEST” model(s). The catch being they would remotely control them during power events, like brown outs. In short they reserved the “right” to turn your heat down or your a/c up when they thought it necessary to preserve the “grid”. My suspicion is that such actions are being considered for other electronic appliances you once thought you “owned”. What could go wrong?BTW: I bought Ecobee’s and programmed them myself. Best couple of hundred bucks I’ve spent—but I kept the old “stupid” thermostats just in case. Screw the electric company.
Pozymandias #448355 March 18, 2025 1:28 pm 8
They may start out justifying this as a way to prevent power outages but you know that soon enough the “climate” will be added as a reason to screw around with your thermostat. This is one of the many ways “climate change” hysteria pays off. Our dusky replacements don’t care about it but the remaining younger Whites in many places are so climate cucked that they will put up with almost any invasion of privacy or curtailment of rights in the name of climate change. I’m sure half the homes in affluent White neighborhoods here in Oregon have, or will soon have, something like this.Power companies are apparently a stronghold of totalitarian thinking. Here in Oregon, PGE shut down the power in many rural areas when it was dry and windy because of the supposed danger that the wind would blow down power lines and start fires. Of course, most rural homes also need power to run water pumps to, you know, fight fires. I looked up the stats on this and found that, of course, wind-downed power lines are not a significant source of fires. Yet another case of idiots (probably innumerate wammen) creating chaos by trying to avoid every tiny risk. I’m still furious about this.
Jeffrey Zoar #448375 March 18, 2025 5:20 pm 2
Wasn’t that a direct result of the state of California holding PGE liable for forest fires?
Pozymandias #448754 March 20, 2025 12:47 pm 0
It may have been but no one who supported or opposed the Oregon power cuts mentioned this. The supporters were the usual Karens making the usual idiotic “safety first” arguments they used to justify masks and lockdowns. Mostly these were suburbanites whose power was never cut, while those opposed most fiercely were, of course, people in the rural areas they had blacked-out.
The Wild Geese Howard #448349 March 18, 2025 12:57 pm 7
Tars- You should go to YouTube and search for teardown videos that compare 80s era washing machines to those from the modern day. They are very instructive. It becomes apparent the older machines were more robust in key areas. There was also some ingenious engineering going on back then.
Tars Tarkas #448360 March 18, 2025 2:13 pm 8
The Chinese have perfected the art of building something just well enough that it will function OK for a couple or few years. Most people are not time oriented enough (and lack the data anyway) to ignore the tag price and use a cost per year method to assess relative prices. This bad quality but low cost system drove out better quality, but higher priced system. This is before even taking all of the fraud in china into consideration.I watched a video series on youtube about a guy designing and building a water wheel to generate electricity for his customer. Once it was finished, after a few months the generator was doing all kinds of stuff it shouldn’t do. It turns out, the Chinese supplier had simply re-labeled a 500 watt generator head and called it a 2500 watt generator head. Anyone who has ever bought something off of alibaba or temo knows how infamous the Chinese are for this crap. This is the fraud that permeates every aspect of life in China. The food system is so rotten that the CCP has private farms to supply food for party members. Look up gutter oil.
Marko #448298 March 18, 2025 10:29 am 11
Have you ever seen a European washing machine? They’re mass-produced for 800 million people all speaking different languages. Operating one is liketranslating freaking hieroglyphics. I just cover my eyes and push a button and hope for the best.
3g4me #448333 March 18, 2025 12:00 pm 4
I had to use a crappy front loaderin Europe1980-82 (I think it was a German-made one, not sure). Took eons to heat the water (instead of relying on heated tap water) and tiny tub that couldn’t be used for blankets. And then one needed a separate spin dryer. I LOVE my all-American top-loading Speed Queen.
Compsci #448363 March 18, 2025 2:27 pm 5
Unfortunately, the (European) machines you decry are the best they can have over there. The “poz’d” runs very deep in Europe. You pay four times the amount for electricity and have no natural gas and pretty soon you think these appliances are pretty good. Sigh….
Xin Loi #448391 March 19, 2025 6:11 am 0
“At the beginning of this war, Ursula von der Leyen said the Russians only had computer chips “cannibalized from washing machines.” Ever notice in the old Komsomol parades how white those shirts and blouses were? THe dirty Reds were way ahead in washing machines even back then.
Captain Willard #448247 March 18, 2025 8:49 am 34
One corollary to all this is that the US can pummel third-world foes but can’t project power against first-world adversaries. Another is that Russia could never take over the rest of Europe with conventional (non-nuclear) weapons. A third is that Israel probably let Hamas attack them on Oct 7th so they could have the excuse to level Gaza. Israel is expert at drone and electronic warfare. I refuse to believe the BS story that they were “surprised”. There really is no “element of surprise” anymore in modern warfare with drones and satellite overwatch. So the fourth is that the Russians probably allowed the Kursk incursion to trap the Ukes and rally their public, who were getting tired of the war.
Lavrov #448266 March 18, 2025 9:22 am 9
like the houthis? They seem to be doing well with drones too.
ProZNoV #448269 March 18, 2025 9:36 am 15
The usual rejoinder is that “muh airplanes beat your airplanes!” Our Air Force is the biggest, the Navy is the second biggest,and the Marines are third biggest air forces on the planet. Didn’t Russia demonstrate last year it can take out, say, Ramstein AFT in Germany using a Iskander with a non-nuclear payload that can target anything sitting around on the ground? Modern war with a peer competitor is completely non-winnable. It either ends in nukes or it never starts in the first place.
Captain Willard #448278 March 18, 2025 9:58 am 8
Yes, I agree. Things go up the “escalation ladder” pretty fast against peers. Air power is mainly to intimidate pissant little countries.
karl von hungus #448304 March 18, 2025 10:37 am 5
theOreshnik ballistic missile is what you are thinking of?
Tars Tarkas #448308 March 18, 2025 10:46 am 5
I disagree. Heaven forbid we go to war with China and it will be demonstrated. Size matters. We likely still have a technological edge against China, but that would be overwhelmed with sheer numbers and our inability to replace losses in a time frame relative to a war.
John k #448332 March 18, 2025 11:57 am 12
Stalin said the Germans lost the war cuz they thought wars are won on the battlefield while wars are actually won in factories. War with China would be a disaster for the U.S.
Puszczyk #448358 March 18, 2025 2:02 pm 2
There’s a question of what purpose would be such war? In this commerce-dominated day and age it’s a simple calculation of potential losses that makes a good deterrent. It’s no longer a world of massively populated industrial quasi-autarkies.
Tars Tarkas #448367 March 18, 2025 3:07 pm 3
Few wars ever seemed like a good idea after the fact. Yet, war is still alive and well. If the libertarians and democrats (by which I mean people who support democracy) were right, there would be no war in Ukraine. Plenty of goods crossed the Ukraine-Russian border and both have democratically elected governments as flawed as their democracies allegedly are.Wars generally take longer than anyone expected before the war. They cost more money and lives than anyon expected before the war. Finally, they accomplish less than anyone expected before the war, even when you win. Yet, people keep fighting them. It’s our nature.What would be the purpose of a war between China and The US? Who knows. They’ll invent a reason. Once the ships start getting sunk and body bags start returning to America, it will be too late.
Xin Loi #448392 March 19, 2025 6:26 am 0
If you believe that surface units will exist and play a role in future peer-to-peer naval warfare (its an open question), China has at least naval nine shipyards that can produce carriers and each can do one a year. We have one shipyard, and it takes nine years to produce one carrier.Everyone is focused on how difficult it would be to sink a Nimitz or Ford class carrier, but repair of the extremely high tech launching and recovery systems after battle damage is a much bigger problem.The Japanese had to sink the Lexington or the Yorktown to put them out of action, because simple analog systems on deck along with pilot eyeballs were all that was necessary for combat operations.Look at a video on YouTube from Growler Jams showing modern launch and recovery operations, and how much real time integrated electronics are necessary to launch and recover the high tech warplanes. One hit to those syetems, or maybe even standoff drones jamming the signals, and the carrier can sail on in peace, because combat ops will be impossible.
Puszczyk #448356 March 18, 2025 1:55 pm 3
The airplanes became aerial weapon delivery systems. Furthermore, the big airfield base model with airplanes sensitive to dust became unsustainable and inefficient in the context of land warfare in the Eurasian space. Some old fans are still working themselves up over a vision of NATO airforce beating Russians to the curb, but this has simply become obsolete with the technological and conceptual developments in air defense. The kind of targets those weapon systems were designed to destroy are going to be more dispersed to mitigate the damage from drones. They could still be useful in destroying the radars and mobile launchers deep inside enemy territory, hence the focus on stealth capability.There is still no answer what to do with it in the naval theatre of course. It seems that the warplane won’t change its role in the fleet in the nearest future.
karl von hungus #448302 March 18, 2025 10:36 am 7
israel went way beyond allowing the hamas attack, they (israel) intentionally executed dozens of their own people, especially at that music festival.
Ride-By Shooter #448310 March 18, 2025 10:55 am 5
Oh, hush. You’re attacking our democracy with anti-Semitic comments like that, and it’s not even a week after the wrap up smear called Purim.
Horace #448337 March 18, 2025 12:11 pm 23
There was a Jewish woman beheaded by Hamas who had been one of the festival go’ers. She was childless unmarried at 31 and living in Berlin working as a tattoo artist, living the Bohemian go-girl life, merely visiting Israel to do drugs and party.The Zionist point of view is that she was useless. She contributed nothing at all to their homeland, certainly not the thing that matters most: children. The manner of her death was used as a propaganda point, because that’s all the utility she had to offer. She and the rest of the useless druggie dumbshits were left out there as bait, as sure as rain.Is this harsh? Is it unfair? It is insight into the mind of nationalists determined to see their nations survive. It reminds me of the first time I saw the video of Benjamin Netanyahu’s West Bank settlement interview (everyone speaking with New Jersey accents) where he spoke his famous words “America is a thing easily moved.”I was greatly angered. Later I realized how stupid it was to be angry at someone for telling you the truth. America IS a thing easily moved, because we have a merchant-whore clown-trash administrative class directed by a ruling class comprised of ethnoreligious enemies who want us dead and replaced. Hate someone for being an enemy who is trying to enslave or destroy you, but don’t hate them for telling you the truth about yourselves. We should always be learning, especially from successful enemies.
Tarl Cabot #448259 March 18, 2025 9:15 am 30
Excellent post. The second battle of Kursk may, in time, be seen as more significant than the first. The Ukrainians and the Neocons did not expect the plodding Russians to be able to adapt to this new age of war, which explains why they believed, not entirely unreasonably, that they would win. Stalemate would eventually lead to Putin’s fall, and they could have replaced him with Navalny, or whoever. Then it’s back to the Yeltsin days of free shit for the Khazars. Unfortunately for them, this is not your grandfather’s Russia.
Compsci #448340 March 18, 2025 12:18 pm 1
“…Neocons did not expect the plodding Russians to be able to adapt to this new age of war,” That’s one reason I don’t despair for the lack of this weapon in the US arsenal. The simplicity of the system and the readiness of response/alteration/improvement as shown by the Russians. We can do the same, IFF we do not let the MIC drive the spec’s out of all reality. Good enough, is good enough. Make them cheap, make them plentiful. The Russians (and Iranians, and Turk’s) have shown the way.
Pozymandias #448366 March 18, 2025 2:48 pm 3
Given the fact that the MIC is used as an all-around jobs and welfare (both personal and corporate) program in the US I rather doubt our ability to produce cost effective drones in quantity. Z was talking this past weekend about how much globalist and free trade dogma controls US policy. Part of the reason for America’s militarism is that the MIC is used as a convenient way to achieve what other nations do through tariffs and nationalist subsidies for native industries. We need to outsource production of everything to cheaper places – except anything connected with “national security”. We have to make that stuff here. It’s a good way to work around what would otherwise be a crippling ideological straitjacket. It’s just another way the US resembles the dying Soviet Union. Even well meaning people who know what needs to be done can’t do it because the system is bogged down in inflexible ideology.
usNthem #448261 March 18, 2025 9:17 am 28
This is why we’re getting to the point where no country, big or small will be able to project military power (other than nuclear) much beyond their border regions. Movement of large number of troops across oceans would be impossible and naval assets would be under constant drone attack. Whatever drones the houthies are using are probably basic at best, but if the US stupidly attacks Iran, all bets are off. One would think the US military has figured this out, but who knows. What we should be doing is droning the hell out of the beaner cartels and maybe a rogue district judge or two…
Jeffrey Zoar #448273 March 18, 2025 9:50 am 8
Drones don’t have the range to fly across oceans (yet anyway). They need platforms to carry them (sort of like aircraft carriers) if they are to threaten a blue water navy. But they can make brown water navies not just obsolete but non existent. So that the USN (for instance) could only project power 3/4 of the way across the ocean, rather than all the way across, to a place like Taiwan. It could no longer enter an enclosed body of water like, say, the Persian Gulf. We’ve already seen the Russian navy more or less abandon the Black Sea for this reason.
Vizzini #448351 March 18, 2025 1:00 pm 2
Ultimately a drone is just any aircraft that can be piloted remotely or autonomously. There’s no technical reason you can’t do that with a C17 … or a B-52.
The Infant Phenomenon #448276 March 18, 2025 9:52 am 2
Then you’d run the danger of making America great again, and we can’t have that.
george 1 #448255 March 18, 2025 8:58 am 25
As Matt Bracken pointed out, paraphrasing: “The $4000 decked out rifles the preppers have put together are now completely obsolete. The preppers are now like African natives talking to each other about what properties make for the best spear.”
The Wild Geese Howard #448257 March 18, 2025 9:11 am 26
The preppers would be better off setting up some kind of anti-air system based around 12 gauge shotguns.
jpb #448277 March 18, 2025 9:58 am 16
I seen videos of Russian soldiers using 12 gauge shotguns to shoot down close in drones. It’s like hunting pheasants when I was a boy.
karl von hungus #448287 March 18, 2025 10:09 am 6
exploding pheasants
Carl B. #448285 March 18, 2025 10:08 am 23
I will hold on to my rifle and shotgun. I doubt many urban ghetto denizens will be invading the rural South armed with assault drones.
ray #448296 March 18, 2025 10:23 am 4
Some 00 or No. 2 Buck should do it.
miforest #448386 March 18, 2025 9:36 pm 1
#5 TSS
Rented mule #448306 March 18, 2025 10:38 am 3
Microwaves
ray #448373 March 18, 2025 4:12 pm 8
But how do you get the oven that high? :O)
Hemid #448274 March 18, 2025 9:51 am 13
I doubt there’s a “prepper” anywhere stupid enough to believe he’s preparing togo into battle. In fact, after the 2020 election when Bracken called on the InfoWars audience to load up, occupy DC, and storm the Capitol—what an odd thing to say!—no one came. Guns are for answering the door.
Jack Dobsen #448309 March 18, 2025 10:48 am 25
Correct. Further and at best, guns drive up the costs of blue-clad thugs and lower their quality due to an off-chance of death or injury. A good argument can be made that private firearm ownership has bred unwarranted complacency. I prefer to live in a nation that allows private gun ownership, to be clear, but also realize a government that has no problem incinerating troublesome women and children in a Seventh-day Adventist compound will do things even the most depraved and trigger-happy individual cannot imagine.
george 1 #448338 March 18, 2025 12:12 pm 2
Very true. Especially after the initial hostilities are over.
Cal #448243 March 18, 2025 8:40 am 15
The next development in drones, which a few countries probably already have, are Ai directed drones.They won’t need to communicate with an operator or use external GPS. They will be given a mission to seek and destroy pre-programmed targets, including individual soldiers.So they won’t be jammable and will learn in real time to find new targets on the fly as the battlefield conditions change.Taken to a higher level, drones will eventually be able to detect friend from foe with zero errors and even target individuals by race, sex or their specific face.Until a credible anti-drone technology is developed, it’s hard to imagine large armies meeting in the field again.
Mycale #448245 March 18, 2025 8:48 am 10
I hate to be that nerd but Metal Gear Solid talked about this sort of stuff over 20 years ago. Insanely grim.
Arthur Metcalf #448246 March 18, 2025 8:48 am 12
You outfit your army in 15-20 years with the types of “suits” envisioned by PK Dick in “A Scanner Darkly,” in which the exterior “skin” of the person is in constant flux from one skin color and set of features to another, with no ability to know who the person is at any given moment. Sounds sci-fi crazy, but we’re now at the stage where human beings have individualized bullets called drones that can fly hundreds of miles to stalk and kill a particular enemy. Who would’ve thought.
The Wild Geese Howard #448256 March 18, 2025 9:06 am 15
The more relevant P.K. Dick story is, “The Second Variety,” which dealt with the consequences of unrestricted AI drone warfare. In 1995, this story was converted into the grim, thought-provoking B-tier sci-fi movie, “Screamers,” starring Peter Weller.
Geoff #448288 March 18, 2025 10:11 am 2
A very underknown short story.
ray #448294 March 18, 2025 10:21 am 5
‘Through a glass darkly’ is how we perceive this world of illusions and deceit. Perhaps we can’t handle the full truth, fried circuits. It’s a world of predator and prey, after all. Old Philip Kindred saw the future so clearly that it killed him.
thezman #448258 March 18, 2025 9:12 am 22
The Russians are already deploying these. They are released over an enemy area with the purpose of finding and attacking men and equipment without control by a human. They also work in groups, communicating with one another.
RealityRules #448311 March 18, 2025 11:04 am 3
Mesh networking technology whose algorithms were first perfected and deployed on a civilian battlefield in spam bot networks now deployed in physical bots on the military battlefield. We’re just hangers on in someone else’s world.
The Wild Geese Howard #448339 March 18, 2025 12:14 pm 3
This sounds like a beta version of Skynet Hunter-Killer autonomous aerial vehicles being brought online. What a wonderful addition to our timeline.
Vizzini #448352 March 18, 2025 1:02 pm 9
“Defense network computers. New… powerful… hooked into everything, trusted to run it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination.” — Kyle Reese
Rented mule #448301 March 18, 2025 10:36 am 4
It’s been a priority for a while now.it’s always a competition.Drones are the current game changer. It’s been closely watched in this latest hassle & many experimental countermeasures are being fielded.Only the dead have seen an end to war.
Xin Loi #448393 March 19, 2025 6:55 am 0
“They will be given a mission to seek and destroy pre-programmed targets, including individual soldiers” Or eventually Anabaptists or Cathars. Seige of Munster goes high tech. “Soldiers” implies continuation of the nation state, but we will eventually devolve to religion, same as it ever was.
TempoNick #448326 March 18, 2025 11:44 am 14
I have the opinion these days that the Jews are pretty bloodthirsty people. The Russians seem to value the lives of their people and have some fairly harsh memories of losing loved ones during the turmoil of the 20th century. The Jews seem to be cavalier about spilling the blood of non-Jews to accomplish their ends.Makes me wonder if all the propaganda we heard about Stalin, the Soviet Union and their bloodthirstiness wasn’t also driven by the behavior of the small hats within the Soviet power structure.
Vizzini #448353 March 18, 2025 1:08 pm 12
The Jews seem to be cavalier about spilling the blood of non-Jews to accomplish their ends. Same as it ever was.
Hemid #448357 March 18, 2025 2:01 pm 4
Pre-Stalin: entirely. Stalin era: decreasingly. I don’t think he intended that.He’s often accused of being antisemitic. The case for it is mostly gossip, like our media’s stories about Trump praising Hitler backstage. Stalin thought the “doctors’ plot” was nonsense, “rootless cosmopolitans” wasn’t his phrase (and to him “cosmopolitanism” was a term of art that meant something like “fascism”), and the story of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, which his regime both formed and destroyed, is an incomprehensible exhibition of competitive lying.When I was a kid and there were still some straight-up Soviet communists around, the Jewish ones often condemned “korenizatsiia”—Stalin’s proto-anti-whiteness, what became Russian boomer brain (e.g., Putin’s)—as antisemitic. Itwasan anti-Zionism, as Zionism is the “bourgeois nationalism”par excellence,contrary to the idea of the non-Great non-Russian empire.Anyway, the list of Russian bad guys doesn’t read like a random page from a Russian phone book, of course. It wasn’t their revolution.
TomA #448267 March 18, 2025 9:31 am 14
Drones are a game-changer in military affairs, but it doesn’t stop there. Lethal hunter-killer drones can be manufactured in a garage and equipped with a $30 Raspberry Pi CPU that enables AI-driven visual recognition and autonomous targeting control. They can be pre-positioned anywhere and lie in wait until remotely activated by a surveillance drone or other command signal. Static minefields are now obsolete and being replaced by active pursuit drone fields. Soon bio-soldiers will also become obsolete at the front and it will become drone versus drone warfare. Them EMP weaponry will step up to kill everything electronic on the battlefield. Innovation is now moving at lightspeed.
PrimiPilus #448299 March 18, 2025 10:31 am 18
Thus, it doesn’t pay to throw away that $4000 customized rifle …. Ultimately, it always “becomes” again about people on people. Just have to wait until next technology swing comes around again. Just like all the goofy SOBs who thought since Trump was elected (or, yes, in prior elections where Rs were returned to power too), that it was ok now to sell off the AR and ammo they’d squirreled away. You never know …. Bows, crossbows, knives, even garrotes and sticks, too will always have their place in human affairs.
Mis(ter)Anthrope #448307 March 18, 2025 10:40 am 3
If I understand correctly, it sounds like the technology you are describing could be used by a civilian to kill another civilian with little chance of being caught.
Mr. House #448343 March 18, 2025 12:24 pm 5
So what all this tells me is: The first thing taken out in any war will be chip manufacturing. Perhaps the strategy of the future will be EMP strike, then troops.
Jeffrey Zoar #448359 March 18, 2025 2:09 pm 7
Of all the blunders the GAE ever made, outsourcing their chipfab to Taiwan may end up going down as the all time biggest
Templar #448388 March 18, 2025 9:45 pm 1
In the end, it will always come back down to the poor bloody infantry.
Christian schulzke #448248 March 18, 2025 8:50 am 9
A good short story is Philip K Dick’s Second Variety. It isn’t credited as such, but I believe it to be the inspiration for Terminator, not Harlan Elison’s Demon With A Glass Hand.
karl von hungus #448300 March 18, 2025 10:34 am 2
https://www.jamescamerononline.com/Ellison.htm. the full story
karl von hungus #448242 March 18, 2025 8:38 am 7
there is an argument that the russians intentionally allowed the AFU to stay in kursk specifically so they could more easily be attrited. surprised you didn’t mention the new AI equipped (rus) drones that autonomously find and attack targets, and can spontaneously co-operate with each other.
Tars Tarkas #448292 March 18, 2025 10:18 am 6
Can the US manufacture drones entirely of American made parts? My guess is no we cannot. OTOH, it is likely countermeasures will make the drone revolution less important in the future. Already a lot of these drones are no longer radio controlled because radio is too easily jammed. A lot of them now have fiber optic spools as a workaround to jamming.
Compsci #448342 March 18, 2025 12:20 pm -2
If the Russians can use washing machine chips, we can too. The problem as I mentioned above is the MIC making the final version of the US “drone” a technological monster, when good enough is good enough.
Tars Tarkas #448369 March 18, 2025 3:14 pm 2
Can we make washing machine chips? It seems less likely we can make low end chips than high end chips. The US is plagued by high costs making low cost products impossible to manufacture in the US. We can build 10 million dollar CNC machines, we just cannot make a TV or a transistor radio or a 3d printer or something. High end stuff is much less sensitive to price than low end stuff.
Mr. Generic #448290 March 18, 2025 10:14 am 6
And all of these new advanced drone technologies have been defeated by the greatest Russian innovation of them all: the net.
Zulu Juliet #448314 March 18, 2025 11:25 am 5
The comparisons to WW1 continue. Even if an army makes a stunning and successful surprise attack [the 1918 Spring Offensives or the Gas Tunnel Attack], it can’t be fully exploited because the defense is too strong due to technology. It’s a war of attrition. So, for the hundredth time: Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. Give up, already.
iForgotmyPen #448238 March 18, 2025 8:28 am 5
I don’t think the nature of war has changed. To paraphrase Clausewitz, war has a political and human part and is a contest of wills conducted through uncertainty. This has been continuous throughout warfare’s history, despite advances in technology. The character of war does and has changed. Although I think that the influence of drones has been massive and has changed the character of war, I also think they are primarily dangerous as a means of relaying targeting information and not just as hunter/killers.
hokkoda #448377 March 18, 2025 5:53 pm 3
There is a self-limiting principle to this which is not unlike nuclear weapons. They take certain geopolitical strategies off the table. Wars to depose people we don’t like, followed by nation building? Off the table. Far too easy and inexpensive to deploy drone countermeasures. Inability to project ground troops to gain and hold territory.It’s like taking away all the armor, fortifications, and standoff weapons away from both sides, then telling them to stand in the middle of an open field where they can be easily seen. War has always depended on stealth and surprise, and the ability to mass forces. None of that is possible today.It does make terrorism a more optimal strategy. But that, too, has diminishing returns. Terrorism to achieve…what? The only really useful terrorism these days is nation states attacking their own (non-drone-armed) citizenry. That will be exploited, of course, but wars between nation states become far less likely. The risks are too high.It’s not like it would be terribly hard to take down AF-1 for example. That drone attack on Moscow was timed for AFTER Witkoff’s plane left the other day. Why? To avoid taking out his aircraft with either the drones or the resulting AAA.War with China is looking like a catastrophic endeavor for the US. So why engage in it? Send a billion drones to Taiwan as a deterrent and call it good. Drone subs will destroy their invading fleet/landing craft. The Chinese mainland would be easily struck. No need to send carriers in there to get sunk.While it would be a stretch to say we’re moving into a post-war geopolitical world, it is not a huge stretch. That’s why Trump’s basic foreign policy is economic. Trade deals. Tariffs. Wars of conquest are becoming increasingly impossible. A country of 150M people cannot overcome a nation of 50M people that is ON ITS BORDER.War will never cease, but it is increasingly becoming obsolete as a means to achieve political goals (break out your Clausewitz, kids). War is an extension of politics by other means. Well, there are other, less costly, means these days as the war of attritions kill millions and accomplish basically nothing.Large militaries – largely robots – will mainly serve as nuclear deterrents. Remember, these are just drones flying around. The robot ground troops haven’t shown up yet. The ones that have no conscience, feel no pain or remorse, and can carry more weapons and do not require food.Star Trek TOS “A Taste of Armageddon” shows one possible outcome. In that episode, the two planets just launch AI attacks on each other, and any of the simulated dead have to report to disintegration chambers. It’s madness, but that’s what you’re left with once you fully automate war. It’s just a big episode of Battle Bots. What would be the point of this from a geopolitical perspective? There is none.
Willow #448384 March 18, 2025 7:17 pm 0
Oh yes, we should wage terrorism. Sayeth the devil. NO. Asymmetric warfare? NO.
Hokkoda #448385 March 18, 2025 7:58 pm 0
Huh?
Jeffrey Zoar #448387 March 18, 2025 9:40 pm 0
Sooner or later, someone will convince themselves they can win a nuclear war. Or else not care about the consequences of losing one. It might take another 50 or 100 or 500 years, but as long as nukes continue to exist, it is a virtual certainty that eventually this happens. Sooner or later.
hokkoda #448389 March 18, 2025 10:29 pm 0
I guess that’s my point, though. Russia, a country with 150M people, couldn’t defeat a country with 50M, despite a shared border, unmolested logistics supply lines, and air superiority. The home team couldn’t repel said invasion despite almost a trillion dollars in aid and weapons.And both sides learned that external stakeholders were more than happy for their own benefit to help Ukraine and Russia kill each other by the bushel.As much as China possesses massive manpower/weaponry advantages over Taiwan, like Russia does over Ukraine, I’m sure they’re looking at Ukraine and wondering if it is worth losing Shanghai or Hong Kong in a conflict. Taiwan will not be limited from striking the Chinese mainland like Ukraine was prevented (mostly) from attacking Russia. And the drone factor has the potential to eliminate their manpower/weaponry advantages. You can bet we’ve already tested drone mines and drone subs to place in Taiwan Straits that can autonomously perform hunter-killer missions.Russia can feed itself. China cannot. A China isolated from fuels and foods begins to starve to death in months. Can they keep the US Navy out of the Taiwan Straits? Yep. Can they do anything about the US Navy seizing fuel tankers out of the Middle East and the USA cutting off vital food supplies? Nope.There’s always the Madman Scenario. But that’s becoming less and less possible.
Puszczyk #448354 March 18, 2025 1:25 pm 3
The advent of a Technical in the Middle East was the first sign of technology becoming the equalizer, along with cellphone-triggered IEDs. As soon as the internal combustion engine became a basic global commodity it bridged a major gap between the great powers and non-state actors, by granting previously inaccessible mobility to the latter. The cellular network and the Internet did the same for communication.It is often forgotten that while the Empires are major catalysts for technological breakthroughs, they are also their foremost spreaders which nullifies the early-adopter advantages in shorter periods of time.Right now it appears that the Drone is an item to center next battle-doctrines around, but it can’t be forgotten that this war has also disproven various future-war theories that started circling around at the height of American adventurism across the globe.Generating reserves is back on the menu and the spec-ops oriented armies are sent to the dustbin. It turns out that the Cold War mobilization systems were dismantled prematurely and the current fighting forces are designed to withstand a week or two of sustained fighting. Operational focus on army brigades is also being called into question. Even the individual equipment has to be overhauled because what worked for chasing Mohammad in the hot desert can’t withstand the daily encounters with good ol’ shrapnel. The modern soldier is also overburdened with extra-stuff he should not lug around in the trenches or in an assault. Superior firepower through “dumb” shells still carries weight and even though the heavy armor is now restricted in operation, it’s still important to have some moving cover and support. Reinforced concrete blocks became natural fortress points despite the assertions that fancy rockets and guided bombs were supposed to invalidate them. Minefields are back in play with mobile long-range deployment systems that provided us the bulk of horror-videos of the failed counter-offensive.I disagree with the author that “Cheap drones are turning expensive, high-tech weapons into liabilities(…)”. It’s that the purpose of these weapons and place in the fighting doctrine is being changed. The Iskanders are now used more tactically, with local commanders being able to request their support. The HIMARS was likewise a good asset for Ukrainians limited by the industrial capacity of its supplier. What became a liability was the western focus on those pieces as “game-changers” which created an imbalanced and inadequate view of the future battlefield. Similarly I wouldn’t overstate the potential of drones. The machine gun invalidated the classic infantry charge in the Great War, but the tank soon countered it (itself becoming a prey for the AP shells). Eventually the drone will find its predator too.
Dutchboy #448316 March 18, 2025 11:27 am 3
Azerbaijan used Turkish and Israeli drones to annihilate the Russian-equipped Armenians a few years ago. It should have served as a warning to those military forces preparing to fight the next war with the last war’s weapons and tactics.
Puszczyk #448345 March 18, 2025 12:28 pm 3
The Azeris also re-purposed lots of obsolete Soviet-era planes by converting them to drones.What appeared to be a troublesome load of scrap metal became an old skin to put a new wine in.
Chris #448275 March 18, 2025 9:51 am 3
In one way, this is mine warfare on steroids – in terms of using them to force the enemy to move in a certain direction. Once big companies begin using drones as delivery vehicles – like Amazon – imagine being able to hack into those drones to utilize them for intelligence gathering purposes. You could expand your “eyes” ten-fold.
Don Lochrie #448263 March 18, 2025 9:20 am 3
Smoke bomb technology will be improved to obscure movement and there must be some sort of steel netting/balloon technology to provide protection from drones.
karl von hungus #448283 March 18, 2025 10:04 am 4
there are now drones that hunt other drones. shotguns are useful for personal defense
Tarl Cabot #448334 March 18, 2025 12:00 pm 2
It might be the case that drone warfare opens up new opportunities for airborne units, particularly using HALO techniques (not the game, lol). To my mind Airborne has never really lived up to its potential, but it’s too cool not to be good for something.
WCiv911 #448293 March 18, 2025 10:20 am 2
If it ever became conclusive that a simulated war using drones, satellites, robots, unmanned floating vehicles, in land and sea, and AI, then in the future we could see bloodless wars with no real casualties. If you can’t win the war game you can’t win the real deal.
Bitter reactionary #448319 March 18, 2025 11:33 am 2
If the simulation says “you lose and China’s the boss now” I don’t think the simulated outcome will be given much weight. Partly because only a fool would trust it, partly because it would have to be offering a sort of Monte Carlo simulation which would likely show some percentage where China doesn’t win and thereby gives hope of pulling off a win, but mostly because “fuck that I refuse to sccept it and I’m fighting anyway”. And to the elite, normal people’s blood is pretty cheap. Why go down without a fight?
Shortshanks Daley #448323 March 18, 2025 11:42 am 3
So then our elites will have us drawn by lottery and forced into disintegrators.
NoName #448329 March 18, 2025 11:47 am 1
WCiv911:“If it ever became conclusive that a simulated war using drones, satellites, robots, unmanned floating vehicles, in land and sea, and AI, then in the future we could see bloodless wars with no real casualties. If you can’t win the war game you can’t win the real deal.” They did that way back in 1967, Star Trek TOS, “A Taste of Armageddon”, produced by Desi Arnaz & Lucille Ball’s “Desilu” production company. WARNING, SPOILERS:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon
jwm #448260 March 18, 2025 9:17 am 2
One word:China JWM
Jeffrey Zoar #448286 March 18, 2025 10:08 am 1
Seen in this light, the deployment of Euro troops to Ukraine becomes both less ridiculous and more pointless, simultaneously. They don’t need a lot of troops to influence the battlefield, they just need a lot of drones. Which begs the question of why bother at all sending what is sure to be merely a token number of troops? Just send drones.
Jeffrey Zoar #449169 March 24, 2025 10:53 am 0
Ted X #448394 March 19, 2025 7:02 am 0
Now connect the drones not to ChatGPT, DeepSeek etc but to a much more powerful AI thats been in development for 20 years. I suspect the reason we plebes are allowed to play with AI is because it needs some final tuning involving human feedback before its perfected for battlefield use.The ‘Terminator’ version of SkyNet always seemed like predictive programming to me.
Willow #448383 March 18, 2025 7:14 pm 0
This is a very American tilt on matters. So be it.
Greg Nikolic #448236 March 18, 2025 8:24 am -3
The thing about drones is they’re cheap. A SAM (surface to air missile) is more expensive because of its component parts, and it only sees one use. A drone can be reusable. In the battlefield of tomorrow, cheap and numerous beats big and lumbering. The ultimate cheap and numerous is a virus. In Stephen King’s 1978 novel _The Stand_ a rogue bioweapon — “a constantly shifting flu” — gets out of the lab and infects the world population. 99.4 percent die off. It’s a good read — King’s best book — a reminder that among the panoply of war innovations we still haven’t got a firm hand on the rudder…— Greg (my blog:http://www.dark.sport.blog)
NoName #448237 March 18, 2025 8:28 am 26
It’s very very difficult to imagine an happy ending to all of this slaughter. Hunter Killer Machines butchering Human Beings. I don’t think that story has an Happy Ending. My instincts sense only despair and sorrow and heartache and extinction.
PrimiPilus #448250 March 18, 2025 8:51 am 15
Terminators – “It can’t be bargained with; it can’t be reasoned with; it doesn’t feel pity or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.” Didn’t we see that somewhere before?
Arthur Metcalf #448253 March 18, 2025 8:54 am 37
You get old enough like I am now and you realize this is how things will be declining for the rest of your life, and you won’t be around to see any potential uplift (or any), and you know, you start to reconsiderseriouslywhat you’re spending your hours on. And then you start wondering what you’ve spentallyour years on, if this was the result and this is the truth about our nature.
Jack Dobsen #448264 March 18, 2025 9:20 am 9
We know our nature pretty early in life and largely choose to ignore it. Developments such as drones simply make it harder to engage in such willful ignorance. You also have to wonder how rare in history it has been to assume the future would be positive; we hardly are unique in expecting a constant state of decline.
John k #448336 March 18, 2025 12:09 pm 2
Nah, things always get better for most people. I had to turn off outdoor outlets cuz homeless were using them to charge their phones. It is all a matter of attitude. China people are all optimistic about the future. Maybe cuz they got rid of all the complainers n troublemakers…uh-oh…..
BigJimSportCamper #448281 March 18, 2025 10:03 am 6
Very well stated, Arthur, and I’m there too. It’s just insanity in every direction. I quake for my grandson.
Chris #448282 March 18, 2025 10:04 am 5
Sadly, you are correct.
NoName #448320 March 18, 2025 11:37 am 3
Arthur Metcalf:“You get old enough like I am now and…  you start wondering what you’ve spent all your years on, if this was the result and this is the truth about our nature…“I’m with you, Bro, I’m with you.Between the V@xxpocalypse, and these hunter-killer Drone technologies, it’s very easy to imagine mountains of corpses in our not-too-distant-future.Darwinism is an icy cold mistress.Whatever became of GHWB & Lady Thatcher’s so-called “Peace Dividend”?That world which GHWB & Lady Thatcher promised us; that world which never materialized in ackshual meatspace reality?It was a ridiculously ludicrous fantasy which they were peddling.Darwinism is an icy cold mistress.
Greg Nikolic #448254 March 18, 2025 8:57 am 7
Terminators are certainly technically plausible. Unlike faster than light travel, a machine that rudimentarily thinks and makes decisions could be walking the earth in 20 years. It gives one chills.
The Infant Phenomenon #448279 March 18, 2025 10:00 am 0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3iUHplvQE
Salmon Jones #448305 March 18, 2025 10:38 am 3
Stop shilling for your blog, retard.
Mycale #448262 March 18, 2025 9:18 am 13
It really makes me wonder what happens to the MIC. What is stopping GAE’s enemies from attacking an aircraft carrier with as many drones as necessary to sink it? Aircraft carriers cost $13B to make according to Google, cost $6M a DAY to operate, and have a staff of 5000 people. The government put a serious amount of time and investment in all those people. Drones cost a few thousand bucks and have a guy sitting in a room operating it (maybe). It’s just not a far fight.Of course, nothing really is going to change until the GAE’s military gets blown out on the field of battle.
Jeffrey Zoar #448280 March 18, 2025 10:02 am 6
Your average small battlefield drone, as seen in Ukraine, can’t carry enough ordnance to do much to a carrier. And they don’t have much range. It takes larger drones with more range, which are more expensive, and which are easier to intercept than the smaller ones. The farther out to sea the carrier is, the less vulnerable. Of course their mere existence diminishes the power of the carrier, which now must stand off at a greater distance.
Mycale #448313 March 18, 2025 11:24 am 6
Well, one, obviously, but what about 5,000? How many is needed to do real damage? Whatever it is, it’s a fraction of what the aircraft carrier costs. I know someone at Rand has done this math. Even now, the US is spending billions of dollars to attack a bunch of guys who live in tents and fire rockets and use cheap drones against Israeli shipping vessels. Yes the USA can print the money and spend the resources but this imbalance is crazy and the guys living in tents can do far more damage than they could at any other time.
Jeffrey Zoar #448327 March 18, 2025 11:45 am 2
This makes the 4th (or 5th?) consecutive US presidential administration that has bombed the same country (Yemen.) To the best of my knowledge, that’s a record.Good Jeopardy question.I don’t think Ike bombed Vietnam. Pretty sure JFK didn’t either.
Compsci #448346 March 18, 2025 12:33 pm 4
Why 5000 of anything? The hypersonic missile technology—already proven—can take out a carrier well away from their attack range. What Russia demonstrated was simply a short range use of a fairly long range weapon. It only takes one as this weapon carries 36 war heads—yep it’s a MIRV.
karl von hungus #448370 March 18, 2025 3:32 pm 1
one of those missiles will take out an entire carrier group. no known defense against it.
Zaphod #448378 March 18, 2025 6:41 pm 2
Imagine being able to autonomously pilot a few shaped charges into the catapult tracks on a carrier deck. That’s all it would take to turn it into a non performing asset.
The Wild Geese Howard #448341 March 18, 2025 12:19 pm 3
JZ- We are fast approaching the point where we are going to find out if the Houthis or Iranians can overwhelm the air defenses of a carrier battlegroup with a swarm of missiles and decoys.
Chris #448284 March 18, 2025 10:06 am 10
You wouldn’t have to sink it, only render it inoperable as an airfield.
karl von hungus #448371 March 18, 2025 3:32 pm 1
well, if you could do that, couldn’t you also sink it?
Zaphod #448380 March 18, 2025 6:47 pm 0
Depends who you are and at what stage in the game you’re at. Given likely insane go full nuke reaction of the US to losing a carrier to ship killer missile, a drone swarm attack knocking out the CATOBAR components might be more appealing to a peer with infrastructure and population centres they’re apt to feel sentimental about.


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