The Ghost Of The People’s Party

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Most of the ideas that shaped 20th century America boiled up during the 19th century in the aftermath of the Civil War. Some arrived from the Old World before and during the war, things like nationalism and socialism, but most were homegrown ideas that arose out of American Protestantism and the struggle with secularization. Interestingly, the Progressive ideology that emerged was sparked by the populist forces at the time and is now threatened by the same populist forces.

The 19th century was a wild time in America. Prior to the Civil War, it became increasingly clear to the industrializing North that the Constitutional framework was not working for them. The Hartford Conventions, largely erased from the history books now, were a series of conferences in the North to debate leaving the Union. This process was short-circuited by the War of 1812, but the sentiment merely found a new home in abolitionism and finally flowered in the Civil War.

The post-Civil War period was no less tumultuous. Reconstruction was a failure, but a foreshadowing of what would be a feature of the progressive ideology. That is the belief that societies can be reordered in such a way that the people in those societies change how they think about themselves, their neighbors, and the state. The abolitionist fanatics did not abandon these beliefs after the failure of reconstruction. They continued to refine this belief as progressivism flowered in the 20th century.

Of course, progressivism itself is a 19th century phenomenon. It emerged out of American Protestantism as a belief that human society can only advance through relentless social reform. The same people who were sure they could reinvent society to accommodate the freed slaves as equals were now sure they could use the lessons from industrialization to reorder America and the world. Religious social reform became a secular political movement.

The engine that made progressivism possible was populism, which was not unique to America or even unique to the 19th century, but if you look at the populist movements of the 19th century, you see many of the features of what would later be the progressive movement and then progressivism. The populists were not angry mobs assembled outside of the homes of the rich, demanding redress of their grievances. They had an agenda that was mostly crafted by elites in waiting.

For example, the Ocala Demands were a platform of economic and political reforms that became the basis of the People’s Party. It was “produced” by the various farmer’s alliances that had sprung up as mutual aid societies following the Civil War. These groups were brought together in the Marion Opera House in Ocala, Florida, where they approved this list of demands. This was formally called the Ocala Demands and was adopted by the People’s Party.

When you read the demands, the first thing that is clear is that they were not written by a collection of dirt farmers in the South. It was not the work of the Colored Farmers’ National Alliance and Cooperative Union either. That was a real group that participated in the Ocala convention, along with the Southern Farmers’ Alliance. These were not people debating the abolishment of the futures markets, the regulation of the money supply or the imposition of a graduated income tax.

The platform was the work of intellectuals and reformers who saw an opportunity to ride the wave of populism to power and influence. They saw a grassroots movement of disaffected farmers as a vehicle for building a coalition in support of their reform ideas, so they attached themselves to it. It is not an accident that the populist agenda looked a lot like the progressive agenda that would emerge in the 20th century. Progressivism would not have been possible without populism.

It is why it is fair to wonder if what we are seeing and have been seeing for the last few decades is the death of the last remaining ideology, progressivism. Populism seems to be an end of cycle phenomenon. It is, after all, a disorganized revolt against the current order, which has reached its maturity and is entering decline. What follows a populist uprising is either a replacement of the old order, a reform that replaces the old elite or a reform effort by the elites themselves.

The assault on the Blob by the Trump administration, led by Elon Musk, is clearly an assault on the old managerial order. Elon Musk is the face of the new technological elite, so it is fitting that he is the point man for this task. Managerialism is the traveling partner of ideology. It was a feature of both fascism and communism. Its looming demise at the hands of the Trump administration, which was powered by a populist uprising against it, fits the historical pattern.

Progressivism has had a long run, but for most of the 20th century it served as a bulwark against fascism and then communism. Its social reforms stopped making any sense by the latter half of the 20th century and either disappeared from the agenda entirely or morphed into bizarre sexual fetishes. Its main reason to exist was to fight communism, but once communism was gone, it was left without a devil, so it has gone insane over the last decades in search of Old Scratch.

The populism that brought Trump to the White House in 2016, sustained him in his wilderness years and then returned him the White House was driven by the excesses and insanity of progressives. Populism is usually framed as the people versus elites, but in this case, it was normal people versus crazy people. The best way to describe the first weeks of the Trump administration is the return of normalcy, unless you are a member of the hive we call the left.

In the fullness of time, what this period may be known for is the death of the last ideology, knocked off by the same forces that spawned it. American populism has always been a check on the excesses of the elite, not as a physical or even political force, but as a cultural force. Ideology is always about changing culture, so it is ironic that the last ideology will be vanquished by a cultural phenomenon. The ghost of the People’s Party has finally called progressivism home.


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114 Comments

Bruno the Arrogant #446404 March 4, 2025 9:42 am 59
I wish I shared your confidence that we’ve finally seen the end of progressivism, but I doubt it. There will be progressives as long as there are perverts, parasites and spiteful mutants, and we’ve got a lot of them. And sadly, they aren’t moving to Canada as promised.
Marko #446413 March 4, 2025 10:31 am 14
Watch Trump’s speech to congress this evening. There will be interruptions. Progressivism is definitely not dead.
Jeffrey Zoar #446420 March 4, 2025 11:00 am 32
Perhaps at some point we should draw a distinction between progressivism and the childish narcissism it has either spawned or enabled. All ideologies, sooner or later, to some degree or another, get skinsuited by powerful interests with their own agendas. However, progressivism was also skinsuited by degenerates with no agenda other than their own depravity. Which lately has become a stand in for “freedom.” Throwing tantrums is part of that schtick, but it’s not really “progressive.”
Marko #446433 March 4, 2025 11:49 am 27
I’m not sure Progressivism (or, as I prefer to call it, Progressive Liberalism) was ever not shouty and narcissistic. There have been sober center-left Liberal types like Mike Gravel and Tulsi Gabbard, and old class warriors like Tony Benn, but when I think of “progressive” I think of those ugly women in the early 20th century who tried to take our alcohol away.
Pozymandias #446455 March 4, 2025 12:40 pm 24
Modern hair dyes, piercing guns, junk food, and electric trimmers have given those women new ways to express their inner ugliness outwardly. In a way it’s better now because you won’t mistake them for human beings.
NoName #446503 March 4, 2025 7:20 pm 7
It’s a terrible terrible tragedy, what’s happening to those poor spiritually barren children. Every single one of them is a soul lost to the Father of Lies.
rasqball #446439 March 4, 2025 11:58 am 2
Very interesting observation: progressivism + “mental un-wellness”* = ? (*andmake no mistake: hypermedia “fans the flames”)
NoName #446501 March 4, 2025 7:14 pm 3
Jeffrey Zoar:“childish narcissism… Throwing tantrums…“The Frankfurt School certainly knew what it was doing when it ripped the lid off of Pandora’s Box, via the “Feminism” psy-op.For at-risk personalities, apparently Cluster-B is one hell of a thrilling ride.I don’t see how we lock up Cluster-B back into Pandora’s Box without having to suffer through something akin to a literal thermonukular war.I’m at the point now where the horror of Cluster-B is dominating an yuge percentage of my daytime musing and a disturbingly large portion of my nighttime dreams.We either “spay” Cluster-B, or it’s gonna “neuter” our entire species.Between the V@xxpocalypse & the fury of Cluster-B, it’s getting rather difficult to imagine Our Folk limping across the finish line and into the 22nd Century.I hope & pray that we figure out some way to survive.
NoName #446502 March 4, 2025 7:17 pm 7
That’s what the GOP never understood [or else was paid, under the table, to pretend that it never understood]: That Culture is way the hell UPSTREAM from any possible Politicks. That if you lose your Culture, your people vanish into extinction.
Hokkoda #446508 March 4, 2025 10:40 pm 3
If the high water mark of Progressivism tonight is a few screamers, I’d say they’re in big trouble.
Epaminondas #446421 March 4, 2025 11:01 am 32
As long as the JQ is alive and well, we’ll continue to have Progressivism in some form or other. It’s a sad, but necessary comment on the way these maniacs think. Most of us can’t/won’t go where this sort of thinking goes. “Perverts, parasites and spiteful mutants” will always be among us, but we cannot allow the Usual Suspects to enlist them. That means shoving these PPSMs back into the closet and locking the door so they can never again be used as political weapons.
Pozymandias #446462 March 4, 2025 12:59 pm 19
Modern radicals have just modified Marxism a bit. Marx thought of the proletariat as the revolutionary class. Today’s Left is much more interested in mobilizing what he would have called the lumpenproletariat. Petty criminals, the mentally ill, sexual deviants, unmarriageable women, illegal aliens, and the hordes of young stupid people you find around every college today who would never have been admitted until the last 30 years or so; these people are the low grade fuel the modern Left has evolved a way to burn in its demonic engine. Think about the people Kyle Rittenhouse shot. Every one of them was some kind of degenerate.This is also why Blue cities (Portland and San Fran are the templates) are so full of the above mentioned people. Conservatives will sometimes naively ask “couldn’t you guys at least clean the feces off the streets and send the cops to knock down the tent cities?” The power structure in these places needs to have these people on hand. Whenever there’s a danger of reform the political class can gin up a protest or riot to take everyone’s mind off of practical concerns. I still recall the news videos every night when the lunatics tried, ineptly, to burn down Portland’s ICE headquarters in ’20. That went on for like 100 days – great fun, another urban clown show to keep everyone’s mind off the high rents and appalling filth and decay.
Tars Tarkas #446429 March 4, 2025 11:37 am 41
Even if it were dead, we have 10s of millions of foreigners in the country. It is simply not the same place, because it’s not the same people. Unless and until they are physically removed, at least most of them, we will never be the same country again.
rasqball #446441 March 4, 2025 12:02 pm 15
We’re NEVER going to be “the same country again.” Such notions have to be put aside; and the loonies are on to something (as they very rarely are) when they allege that we “maybe never were.”The question, then, is “what will we become”?
Horace #446448 March 4, 2025 12:26 pm 13
Whatever we become needs to be something shorn of hostile aliens.
Compsci #446457 March 4, 2025 12:46 pm 18
The answer is we will become one of two things: 1) A mishmash of conflicting cultures, and/or 2) A (one) culture that “wins out” and remains predominant—but it won’t be of a Northern European, White Christian ethos.But even that does not paint the correct/total picture as it fails to take fully into account the new average IQ of the population and the myriad problems associated with a mean of 90-92 national IQ. I believe it was Lynn that claimed there were no functional democratic societies with a national IQ below 90-92.The unknowns at this point? Critical “Smart Fraction”, and the effect of AI on those with lower level IQ’s—I don’t expect AI will make up for “stupid”.
Anne Arkie #446509 March 4, 2025 11:20 pm 5
On a happier note, I went through the Mickey D’s line to get my annual shamrock shake, and every one of the workers was WHITE and spoke ENGLISH–made my day. The illegals must be gone or hiding out.
Compsci #446451 March 4, 2025 12:33 pm 25
“…we have 10s of millions of foreigners in the country.”This! It’s worse.As of today, officially we have 48.8M foreign born nationals in the US. That’s 14% of the current “official” population. In 1970, it was at 4.7%—its lowest point ever recorded. So in less than 60 years, or a little more than two generations, we’ve tripled the number of foreign born us citizens. These new “citizens” were overwhelmingly non-White, and non-Christian.The rise of Boomers 1946-1964 masked the growing cancer and kept a lid on things to a point—but no longer. By 2040, the majority of Boomers will have passed away—the rest old and invalided and not worth noting in the political landscape.As the saying goes, “you ain’t seen nothing yet!”
Mr. Generic #446430 March 4, 2025 11:42 am 15
There will be progressives as long as there are perverts, parasites and spiteful mutants Exactly. Current year “progressives” are just deformed freaks looking to rationalize their dysgenic, envious behavior. Progressivism as an actual ideology died out with the failure of the New Deal.
Tired Citizen #446438 March 4, 2025 11:57 am 5
Well said. I’ll believe it when we’ve “removed” the problem children. The permanent kind…
Ben the Layabout #446482 March 4, 2025 3:07 pm 0
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Ostei Kozelskii #446458 March 4, 2025 12:47 pm 8
Filthie has been spotted sobbing over his poutine and Moosehead because the promised exodus of spiteful mutants to Canada has failed to materialize…
3g4me #446424 March 4, 2025 11:04 am 40
Zman, the progressives HAVE changed how the people “think about themselves, their neighbors, and the state.” They were definitely a religious and intellectual movement hitching its wagon to populism, but they welcomed and were subsumed by those they considered their “elder brothers” in faith – the Jews. America no longer considers itself a settler nation, but a melting-pot immigrant nation. Instead of a united manifest destiny, we have a multi-racial ‘mosaic’ united in condemning and exterminating White people in order to destroy the bugbear of ‘racism.’ Our neighbors are not those other Whites who support ‘hate,’ they are the Somalis and Ukrainians because we are all citizens of the world and members of the ‘one race, the human race.’ Every White girl has been convinced she’s either a boy, or destined to mate with the duskiest schoolmate she can land.Again, I would be thrilled to be rid of progressivism, but I find this triumphalist tone extraordinarily premature. Mayhap you’re spending too much time with older advocates who are anxious to declare victory before they shuffle off this mortal coil. I prefer realism to idealism, and the amorphous ‘left,’ and the desire of some humans to ‘fix’ or reorder human life because ‘they’ know best, is not going to just slink away. And certain people’s lack of public noise is not indicative of defeat, but private strategizing.
ray #446431 March 4, 2025 11:45 am 36
Premature? Ya think?The courts have not been touched. The unis and colleges? Fully intact and churning out progs and fem-supremacists like it was 1990 forever. The grade schools? Ruled by leftist hags, busily constructing new generations of homos, castrati, proglings and pantsuited superwomen.The military is still pozzed. The corporations openly BRAG that the Ebil Ebil white males need not apply. The Prot churches have been emasculated and conquered for decades. Institutional Feminism is organized and funded to the teeth and has not been budged an inch. Nor even recognized as an enemy.I could go on. Yes, thumping USAID was lovely. . . but barely a beginning. The enemy is still comfortably lodged and in power everywhere except — perhaps — the Presidency. It ain’t like the Orangster is Baptist John reincarnated; Donald is an Eighties liberal, with empowered daughters no less.The fight hasn’t even begun yet.
Ostei Kozelskii #446461 March 4, 2025 12:58 pm 21
Essentially, the entire Leftist archipelago outside of FedGov remains largely untouched by Trusk’s entirely praiseworthy initiatives. Until the institutions, the corporations, the media and Hollywood are gutted and reformed, Leftism will continue running rampant. Right now, we’re barely scratching the surface.
ray #446483 March 4, 2025 3:08 pm 11
Nothing wrong with celebrating a few minor victories. But clearly the citizenry doesn’t have what it takes to do what needs doing. Still too fat ‘n happy, especially the UMC and up. Millions of porcine couch dwellers who are thrilled to hitch their daughters not to men, but to the Fem-Prog Gravy Train that begins in grade school. A failing economy, crime and invaders everywhere, and streets glutted with throwaway men don’t budge the needle. America needs a masculine and spiritual revival, or it is toast.
Tired Citizen #446444 March 4, 2025 12:12 pm 41
Amidst all of this “winning”, not a single soul has been held accountable. Not one arrest, no executions for treason, nothing. All that’s going to happen without accountability is the left will rig something in four years and put it all back. Then they will punish Whites even more. Perhaps outright killing us. This is why the right is filled with losers. The right fails to adopt the tactics of its enemies, which is to vanquish its opposition. To become a vicious attacker with extreme prejudice is the only path to ridding us from this evil.
Mycale #446449 March 4, 2025 12:30 pm 11
Not trying to be a plan truster, but they have to know this. Not just based on logic, but prior events, going back to the very formation of the Deep State. There is no halfway here. The real question is what do they do with their own people who don’t do the job. Kash Patel is already starting to look like a squish, not surprisingly.
Bloated Boomer #446504 March 4, 2025 7:28 pm 2
What about our boy mike pence? Has he built the wall or fried the queers yet? With his lightning bolts or whatever? I dont know who kash(miri?) Patel is but sounds like a jeet. Maybe he and ramaswarthy can sign me up for a crpyto scam. Ive been itching to put my life savings into trump coin or dementia meds thoroughly proven to not work.
Compsci #446460 March 4, 2025 12:54 pm 1
Yep, but it’s too soon to proclaim “Trump failure”. We must hang in there. We must play the long game. Evidence? How many of the observations made here over the years concern the Leftist attempts—and failures—due to over playing their hand. Indeed, it has been perhaps Conservatism’s saving Grace. Let’s not make the same mistake.
Steve #446468 March 4, 2025 1:25 pm 6
Exactly. (Glad I reloaded, or I would have posted almost the same thing.) What is strongly lacking is not “action” but patience. Spring the trap too early and all the feral hogs escape. Mayhaps the executions will happen, but we have to have all our ducks in a row first.
The Infant Phenomenon #446477 March 4, 2025 2:56 pm 9
No. Just no. “Patience”?? REALLY?? how much patience? For how much longer? Twenty years? Fifty? And waiting for what exactly? Evidence? MORE evidence” How much is enough? How much will EVER be enough? And how–exactly–shall we know when all our ducks are in a row?
Steve #446494 March 4, 2025 4:59 pm 1
Oh, FFS, do what they count on you never doing and think for a second. Arrest them now, they get dragged before a leftie judge, motion to dismiss granted, and the case thrown out with prejudice. Slow clap. What do you do for an encore? You might as well not even bother until we can get at least a handful of venues before which to bring them. When is that? Simple. When we can bring them to trial without being immediately freed.
Rented mule #446512 March 5, 2025 8:30 am 0
The sky is always falling is a hellofa drug
Mycale #446469 March 4, 2025 1:42 pm -3
hi
ray #446484 March 4, 2025 3:10 pm 6
Hear hear! No butts of enemies in jail tells me the nation is not serious. Don’t have the groceries to punish enemies of God and country, and there are reasons for that.
Steve W #446473 March 4, 2025 2:14 pm 17
“Amorphous” is right. The Left are nothing if not shape-shifters. Even if some of their more fevered “beliefs” are now being subjected to some ridicule, so what? These are broken people, without shame or self-awareness, who – to put it as Orwell did – think in slogans and talk in bullets. I’ve enjoyed Trump’s troll-fest as much as anybody, but if he doesn’t go full Franco on our enemies – fast – then nothing will prevent them from going full Mao on us when their turn comes next.
Pozymandias #446490 March 4, 2025 3:44 pm 13
Trump (and Vance who will hopefully follow) needs to focus on doing exactly what the Left does in every state they take over. That means assembling the infrastructure forpermanentMAGA dominance that cannot be undone by elections. But, but, but… that’s wrooooooong, that’s whatTHEYdo?!?! Well, of course it is. That’s also why “they” have ruled us for 80+ years.
G Lordon Giddy #446422 March 4, 2025 11:03 am 35
I find it interesting that the entire Democratic side of our national Senate voted for the rights of men in sundresses to take their clothes off in front of teenage girls.The majority of normal people even in blue states do not support this position and it just reinforces that our representative government is just hired help for a degenerate progressive elite.
LineInTheSand #446432 March 4, 2025 11:48 am 14
“just hired help for a degenerate progressive elite” Astute observation and great example of your point.
Horace #446456 March 4, 2025 12:44 pm 7
Yes, this is a great bit of verbiage. I will show the respect of imitation by stealing it shamelessly and using it.
Trek #446412 March 4, 2025 10:26 am 28
It would be nice if we could quit being slaves to ideology. We need to put our people first not some set of ideas. Institutions, ideas and programs exist to serve our people not the other way around.
Zulu Juliet #446447 March 4, 2025 12:23 pm 8
Get your thinking straight, comrade; We are not slaves to ideology. We are people enslaved by ideology.
Ostei Kozelskii #446459 March 4, 2025 12:54 pm 7
Focus on furthering our people could be construed as a type of ideology. It’s certainly racialism. Not that there’s a thing wrong with that.
Steve #446466 March 4, 2025 1:20 pm 2
I read through the comments, reloaded, then read the new comments, then went back and replied to gaps. Looks like I need to do another reload at the end, as your comment was not here last reading. Very much this. I’m not sure why our host is so consumed with distancing himself from ideology. All I can think of is that he’s using it as a pejorative through some connotation rather than a strict denotation.
The Infant Phenomenon #446475 March 4, 2025 2:31 pm 3
“I’m not sure why our host is so consumed with distancing himself from ideology.”Nor can I–or anybody else–without asking him, but I can tell you this: There is NO SUCH THING as “conservative ideology” and there never has been and there never will be because such a thing simply CAN NOT EXIST.Conservatism and ideology are mutually exclusive, period. That is not open to debate for it is not a matter of opinion.Conservatism is founded upon custom, tradition (meaning “lived experience that begets knowledge of the true nature of things”), true religion, and Nature (with a capital N).It is life itself and the experience that many generations of people have had of life itself that produce conservatives. Even the word “conservatism” is an “-ism” and is therefore unconservative, if I may be permitted that nonce usage. ANY “-ism” is perforce the enemy of natural human life and if anything and everything natural, true, beautiful, and good.The result(s) of living day to day life, plus a profound respect for and acceptance of Nature and her ways and means and laws, plus custom and tradition (which are the natural products of living an authentic live in harmony with God and with Nature and their laws), plus true religion or, at a bare minimum, a true and abiding respect for true religion (trinitarian Christianity)–these are the components of the conservative mind, which are manifested in the natural world–in the world of natural phenomena in which ALL people live–crazies as well as conservatives–in the form of a peaceful, prosperous, sane, and enjoyable life in this world.Religion, Nature, custom, tradition, *just* laws–these are the ingredients of conservative thought and action (i.e., living). Ideology is inimical to conservative thought and to a sane and natural life. And “this is the law of the Medes and the Persians, which cannot be altered.”
The Infant Phenomenon #446476 March 4, 2025 2:45 pm 0
“I’m not sure why our host is so consumed with distancing himself from ideology.”Nor can I–or anybody else–without asking him, but I can tell you this: There is NO SUCH THING as “conservative ideology” and there never has been and there never will be because such a thing simply CAN NOT EXIST.Conservatism and ideology are mutually exclusive, period. That is not open to debate for it is not a matter of opinion.Conservatism is founded upon custom, tradition (meaning “lived experience that begets knowledge of the true nature of things”), true religion, and Nature (with a capital N).It is life itself and the experience that many generations of people have had of life itself that produce conservatives. Even the word “conservatism” is an “-ism” and is therefore unconservative, if I may be permitted that nonce usage. ANY “-ism” is perforce the enemy of natural human life and of anything and everything natural, true, beautiful, and good.The result(s) of living day to day life, plus a profound respect for and acceptance of Nature and her ways and means and laws, plus custom and tradition (which are the natural products of living an authentic live in harmony with God and with Nature and their laws), plus true religion or, at a bare minimum, a true and abiding respect for true religion (trinitarian Christianity)–these are the components of the conservative mind, which are manifested in the natural world–in the world of natural phenomena in which ALL people live–crazies as well as conservatives–in the form of a peaceful, prosperous, sane, and enjoyable life in this world.Religion, Nature, custom, tradition, *just* laws–these are the ingredients of conservative thought and action (i.e., living). Ideology is inimical to conservative thought and to a sane and natural life. And “this is the law of the Medes and the Persians, which cannot be altered.”
Steve #446465 March 4, 2025 1:16 pm 4
“We need to put our people first not some set of ideas.” Putting our people first IS an idea. Just one that is, at present, out of favor.
Ostei Kozelskii #446472 March 4, 2025 2:13 pm 5
“Just one that is, at present, out of favor.” You are the Michaelangelo of understatement.
Trek #446414 March 4, 2025 10:35 am 27
The HBD crowd is going nuts too. They always claimed to be about genetics and practical when it came to politics. But since the election of Trump the first time they have been increasingly rabid in their support of the managerial state. It started with covid lockdowns and then turned into zealous support for Ukraine. And now Greg Cochran is blasting Elon day and night because of DOGE. You’d think Cochran and Sailer would be excited about diversity being challenged. But no, they both hate Trump too much, I guess because he challenges a system they love. I don’t think these guys were ever on our side.
3g4me #446417 March 4, 2025 10:50 am 34
I don’t know enough about Cochran, but I’d argue Sailer’s only ever been on his own side – the coalition of the self-identified global intelligentsia. His HBD was a mile wide and a micrometer thick. He would wax endlessly about black women’s preoccupation with their unappealing physiognomy, but very carefully avoided ‘noticing’ much of anything about east Asians in America, and Jews in America.
Horace #446452 March 4, 2025 12:34 pm 4
I put Cochrane in there with Francis Collins as a disappointment and a reminder that even the most cognitive who get some enduring important things correct, also get important thing wrong. No one bats a thousand, but attaching any element of one’s personal identity into any movement shaped by internationalists will lower it greatly.
Hemid #446443 March 4, 2025 12:10 pm 11
Normally I insult them at length, but fundamentally there’s only this: HBD/”elite human capital” nerds arenerds, i.e., spiteful mutants. Look at them. Ugly people are bad people—bad for other people. Your whole body knows this. Grug knew it, and Aristotle knew it. That’s it. Never trust a goofy-looking man.
Ostei Kozelskii #446474 March 4, 2025 2:19 pm 14
It seems you most definitelycanjudge a book by its cover. And, if one takes a good look around a mall, airport, or busy restaurant, you’ll see an explanation of why AINO is such a repellent cesspit. Ergo, the populace looks terrible and it is terrible. Vile people cannot hide their malevolence. And a putrid people cannot sustain a lovely and prosperous country.
ray #446485 March 4, 2025 3:18 pm 5
The countenance does not lie, especially in mature men.
Compsci #446463 March 4, 2025 1:01 pm -4
The Cochran question has been discussed. He lost most all credibility during COVID, whereas Z-man rose. Not entirely different from Sailer. Nothing detracts from their previous HBD teaching’s and writings however. To take these two individuals and use them to taint HBD science is painting with too broad a brush. What is it we always say about renowned scientists who leave their area of expertise to dwell/comment in socio-economic areas? We hate them, but politely ignore them. So should you.
karl von hungus #446401 March 4, 2025 9:18 am 20
i think you are conflating two distinct issues. the death of ideology *and* a return to normalcy. the latter doesn’t necessarily follow from the first. while trump might harken back to 1950s normalcy, very few of the citizenry do. what comes next IMO is decentralization, and the concomitant ‘splitting’ of large nations into region sized entities. large size is expensive, and a disadvantage when resources are scarce or exspensive.
Mycale #446426 March 4, 2025 11:27 am 10
We’ve been with ideology so long it’s tough to know what normalcy even is. Maybe free association is the starting point.
Mycale #446419 March 4, 2025 10:58 am 16
I’ve been tracking the progressive response to Trump and, well, there just isn’t much of it. Even Trump chucking Zelensky out of the WH like Uncle Phil did to Jazz didn’t muster much of a response. Considering the Ukrainian dwarf has been treated like the world’s greatest hero, that is quite surprising. It sureseemslike whatever funding and organization was used to form #TheResistance in 2017 doesn’t really exist anymore, although of course I can’t totally prove it. The fact that Trump’s first move was to shut down USAID of all things also is quite interesting in light of this.So, if I am describing this situation accurately, did progressivism run out of steam years ago and has just spent a decade or more being propped up by the government? I think you could make this argument clearly in Europe, where they have spent 15 years fighting the natural response to their own bad policies and governance. Yet, it seems to be the case here too. of course, the mind reels at the implication of this, and the idea that the entire worldview we have been fed our entire lives is totally fake and government funded.
rasqball #446445 March 4, 2025 12:14 pm 3
“..the entire worldview we have been fed our entire lives is totally fake and government funded.” That’s right: Our weltanschauung, F & G. (If you had tried to convince me of such 5yrs ago, I would have…resisted.)
Severian #446396 March 4, 2025 8:45 am 16
It will be interesting to see how the breakup of Social Media, which you’ve written about, into mutually exclusive silos plays into it. The only real bulwark against Ideology in the broad sense is localism — Progressivism took root in the cities, because that’s the only place itcan. If Peak Social Media was, say, 2016, when Trump used it to get elected, now the breakdown of Social Media might ironically encourage localism. Karen can’t hector the entire world on BlueSky, because only fanatics are on BlueSky, so she’ll have to get into NextDoor and do her hectoring “in person.”
Cal #446398 March 4, 2025 9:03 am 26
Silicon Valley seems to be trying to create a new ideology: techno-capitalism. Like previous movements, they have attached themselves to the populists to gain power.That explains their flip to Trump in 2024 and them pushing their protege Vance as VP, hoping that he’ll take over in 2028.There could be some good outcomes if they succeed–return to normalcy on social issues and a focus on economic nationalism for example.But they have ‘bigger’ plans too. The worst include moving to a CBDC and full time surveillance of the population, for their ‘safety and convenience’ of course.If we can somehow take the good parts while avoid the techno-tyranny, we’ll be OK. If not, things could get scary.
Greg Nikolic #446400 March 4, 2025 9:14 am -7
A technocracy would delight Elon Musk and his bug men friends at Apple. For the first time in history geeks have an economic purpose — now they’ll have a political one as well. — Greg (my blog:http://www.dark.sport.blog)
Salmon Jones #446409 March 4, 2025 10:01 am 21
Stop the shilling of your shitty blog already.
Compsci #446464 March 4, 2025 1:04 pm 7
I’m suspecting the use of an AI being programmed to respond to a daily Z-man commentary. He should be banned for using this group in an experiment.
ray #446486 March 4, 2025 3:21 pm 1
Never responds. Probly a bot.
The Wild Geese Howard #446505 March 4, 2025 8:29 pm 1
The primary application of the first revision of Skynet will be real-time management of your social credit score and CBDC access by the AI algorithms. It will only get worse from that point.
Federalist #446393 March 4, 2025 8:30 am 15
From South Louisiana:Happy Mardi Gras
BigDaddyAmin #446411 March 4, 2025 10:08 am 5
Having king cake and coffee for breakfast now. Let the good times roll!
Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD #446415 March 4, 2025 10:38 am 6
Le bon temps rouler!
Marko #446428 March 4, 2025 11:35 am 8
I’ve been to the French Quarter twice: once during Mardi Gras, and once on a random day. Both were horrible experiences. Not my thing.
KGB #446436 March 4, 2025 11:55 am 8
When people talk of America becoming Brazil North, I think of the utter degeneracy of Carnival. Our culture is already disgusting without incorporating that display of pagan lust.
Federalist #446454 March 4, 2025 12:38 pm 3
Mardi Gras in Louisiana developed separately from Brazi. (The origins of Mardi Gras in Louisiana are French). Of course, you can still hate it, but it’s not incorporating anything from Brazil. It was a part of our culture before Louisiana was American.
ray #446487 March 4, 2025 3:23 pm 7
Ain’t part of my culture. Godless, irresponsible, and full of exactly the celebratory degenerates that drive the Left. Got no beef with a party, but an open festival of fat, drunk pagans and voodoo idjits in costumes is loathsome.
Federalist #446493 March 4, 2025 4:41 pm -3
“Pagans and voodoo”Could some of you be more melodramatic? To complete your virtue signaling: you’ve never seen a sportsball match and you don’t even own a TV.
ray #446499 March 4, 2025 5:21 pm -4
I loved football from the first time I saw it at age 4. Yes, on teevee. Back then it was only one game a week. Also enjoyed and competed at basketball, baseball and golf. Shove your ‘melodramatic’ where the sun don’t shine, bitch.
Ostei Kozelskii #446478 March 4, 2025 2:58 pm 5
My wife was there several months ago. Said it was stinky, dirty and riddled with hoodlums huddling on stoops. I’m sure the food is great, but all the same, no thanks.
Pozymandias #446492 March 4, 2025 3:55 pm 3
“stinky, dirty and riddled with hoodlums huddling on stoops” Sounds like it’s East Baltimore with better food.
pyrrhus #446405 March 4, 2025 9:44 am 12
As de Tocqueville observed, Americans love creating and joining organizations..the Grange movement, which promoted farming and farmers, nearly elected the orator William Jennings Bryan, on a platform of looser money…Americans have decided that they no longer want to sterilize their children, import foreigners, or spend money they don’t have on foreigners and foreign wars..So what’s next?Martin Armstrong’s AI predicts the US will break up in the 2030s into likeminded groups of States, which might well work better than the current jumble..Maybe the Hartford Conventions were just a couple of centuries before their time….
joey jünger #446423 March 4, 2025 11:03 am 11
Trump said something—just a sort of throwaway line—which in retrospect seems much more than an off-the-cuff bit. Words to the effect of “We have lots of smart young people working for us.” Even though he’s a part of the gerontocracy—and, gasp! a boomer—he recognizes the problem.I think he also recognizes (unlike a lot of us) that, though whites are already in a minority in the youth cohort—they are going to be able to punch far above their weight. Whites always could (on the frontier, in South Africa, wherever you put us) but lot of our people were cooperating with their own demise over the last few decades in the belief we could “heal the wounds of America’s past,” which really weren’t wounds, but just part of the human condition. Slavery isn’t some “peculiar” Southern institution nor is ethnic hatred. It’s just a part of being human.It’s clear, though, that the meme-savvy, computer literate kids like Big Balls are actually alright, and well-equipped for this war, or at least better equipped than the other side. Once you get past their broccoli haircuts and their inability to hold eye contact for more than a couple seconds, you see they’re not all bad. And the human capital on the other side—your Ocasio-Cortezes and Ilhan Omars—will be lucky if they’re not slaves fifty years from now.In Caste Football terms (whatever happened to that site?) Quarterback Brains > Running Back Brains.
Anne Arkie #446434 March 4, 2025 11:50 am 3
Everyone is open to temptation no matter how righteous they may seem now, just have to find the right button. If 10 million in Bitcoin doesn’t work, threaten mommy and daddy.
Steve #446470 March 4, 2025 1:44 pm 7
Trump is just a good businessman. Pick the right tool for the task. The number of X or Booms who have the computer savvy to do what Musk’s Kids are doing are few. That’s why he’s currently running circles around the political class — they are fielding a team wholly unsuited for the current skirmish. Seriously? You are pitting Jamie Raskin or Kirsten Gillibrand against Big Balls? BTW, this is nothing new. Clinton was also known for bringing kids into the game. Most of your age group will fall for the same scam.
RealityRules #446500 March 4, 2025 6:28 pm 1
Yes. And they are all in charge of the companies that are building the weapons and energy systems of the future. Granted they are not on our side of the divide, but that they are us and the future will become more contentious not less.The left is already moving to an anti-oligarch/tycoon rhetoric. The racial genies they have unleashed aren’t coming back into the bottle. I think sooner than we think the Left will be be the final phase of Marxism. Phase I: the evil capitalist. Phase II: The evil white racist Phase III: The evil white racist tycoon capitalist.This is going to force radicalization. I like that our young guys are all building the hardware and software of the future and on its vanguard. The demographic and economic decline are going to bring everything else to a head and The Left is going to go into Phase III Marxism which is really the final unmasking of what it was all along. A mask for ethnic warfare to dispossess and capture the wealth of the class crushed in the revolution.Things are going to be heating up in the next few years.
Bloated Boomer #446510 March 5, 2025 1:10 am 0
I saw Trump do a hand gesture that looked a little bit like a Q the other day. Plan Trusting’s back on the menu, boys!
ray #446406 March 4, 2025 9:55 am 10
‘but most were homegrown ideas that arose out of American Protestantism and the struggle with secularization’Protestantism is a big word, covering most every Christian that isn’t a Catholic. And that’s a wide field of differences. For example, the elite women that originated Institutional Feminism in America during the mid-nineteenth century largely were rogue Quakers, only nominally Christian. They had very little in common with mainstream, Biblical Protestantism. Yet their anti-Christian movement swept, and finally conquered, most of the Western world. . . with the backing of moneyed elites.The Progressive agenda of the 20th century borrowed far more from the pagan, secular past than from Christianity/Protestantism. Egalite or Equality is NOT a Biblical concept, tho many modern Christians justify Equality by twisting Scripture — which is blatantly hierarchic — to their own power-purposes. Equality between the sexes first was practiced in Babylon, though some elements likely existed at Sumer, also. Not exactly hotbeds of ‘Protestantism’.Open-borders or globalism, again, is a secular scheme. It is specifically outlawed in Scripture, which teaches its opposite, nationalism. (Deut. 32:8)The iconography, architecture, and statuary of developing America was overwhelmingly pagan. Heroes and progenitors are borrowed from classical civilizations like Rome and Greece, along with a smorgasbord of pagan philosophers.Early American elites saw the nation as an extension of those classical forebears and strove to copy and better them. Christianity never was popular with American elites, despite propaganda otherwise. Jefferson, for example, America’s great hero of ‘freedom’ made his loathing of Christ clear on a number of occasions.A freemason — Pierre Charles L’Enfant — designed the District of the Goddess Columbia. A study of its layout is a veritable education in occultism and paganism; nothing Christian about it. And so on.
Dutchboy #446446 March 4, 2025 12:15 pm 6
One of the delusions of American conservatives was that the USA was founded as a Christian nation. It is true that most 18th century Americans were Christians but the founders leaned toward Deism (Jefferson being the most prominent example), our founding documents do not recognize any religion and the God they mention is the generic god of Deism, not the Christian Trinity.
Xman #446488 March 4, 2025 3:27 pm 2
They were nonsectarians, but most of them were Christians. Only a couple of them questioned Christianity, like Jefferson and Paine, and Jefferson admired Christ as an ethicist but questioned his divinity.
ray #446489 March 4, 2025 3:41 pm 0
Correct. Sadly. Deists are fine with folks worshipping Lucifer for example, as that is a ‘deity’. Demeter and Persephone? Deities. And so on. V. clever in a demonic sorta way, the whole deist scam.
Dutchboy #446442 March 4, 2025 12:06 pm 8
The perpetual danger of populist movements is that they will be captured by elites who then use the movements for decidedly unpopulist goals. This happened to 19th century populism and could happen to the 21st century variety too, if the assault on government bureaucracies turns into a license for unchecked corporate plunder. Corporations are no more friends of the little guy than are the federal bureaucracies.
TomA #446416 March 4, 2025 10:42 am 7
What we are witnessing is the decline of the free money gravy train. The Fed printed fake fiat money endlessly and corrupt politicians used it to buy votes and stay in office endlessly. This grift has been growing exponentially thereby making a financial collapse inevitable. Trump and his team are now putting on the brakes and the parasites are shrieking in existential terror at the prospect of having to actually work for a living. Ideology-du-jour has always been a mask to hide this grift.
Trump-hell Boldly Go #446435 March 4, 2025 11:52 am 2
Wait until all those laid off Federal workers start applying for local State government jobs, or lobbying for and working for the Democrats in the next election. Hell hath no fury..
karl von hungus #446437 March 4, 2025 11:56 am 6
the white ex-feds are screwed, no one is going to hire them.
KGB #446450 March 4, 2025 12:32 pm 11
Yesterday, Governor Hochul was begging them to come to Albany and take one of the 7,000 bureaucratic jobs that need filling. She said NYS needs engineers and programmers and accountants. Unfortunately, she’s appealing to hordes of unskilled pencil pushers who are/were nothing but drains on the public coffers.
The Wild Geese Howard #446506 March 4, 2025 8:32 pm 2
I was recently in Albany. Ain’t no one scrambling to move there.
Captain Willard #446408 March 4, 2025 9:59 am 7
To finance the Progressive movement, the Elites here built a financial system to sustain America’s global hegemony. Ordered around the dollar as reserve currency, thereby requiring us to run trade/budget deficits, it grew as the Globohomeaux Elite realized they could finance heaven-on-Earth schemes with Eurodollars, debt and swap lines from the Fed. It might have kept working had they not had covid, imported millions of third-world savages and started the Ukraine War. So we face financial and ideological bankruptcy. My guess is that replacing the Dollar will be harder than replacing the ideology.
LineInTheSand #446427 March 4, 2025 11:28 am 6
Z Man: “Progressivism has had a long run, but for most of the 20th century it served as a bulwark against fascism and then communism.” It is far more common to hear people say that progressivism was communism at a slower pace. FDR’s progressive administration was full of self-identified communists. What did Z Man mean?
Hemid #446467 March 4, 2025 1:23 pm 2
Actual communists (all seventeen of them) tend to think that progressivism isa liberal anti-revolutionary innovationto defang the proletariat. Concessions to socialist economics prevent worker immiseration, officially favored racial and other identities overwrite class consciousness, etc., and revolution is deferred for as long as the pseudo-leftist pseudo-revolution can keep inventing new current_things.True enough, if you buy a couple commie premises.The basic idea is much more popular among our guys than it is with the self-identified left, who aren’t communists (or anything, really) but regime partisans.That is—they are—Progressivism. They do oppose both Communism and Fascism, who areother types of people, rivals and enemies.
Steve #446471 March 4, 2025 1:53 pm 2
I interpreted it to mean that Progressivism had muscled its way in to being thought of as The American Way, as opposed to the Old World Way. After all, there wasn’t a whole lot of difference between Progressivism and Fascism in the early 30s. But “progress” is so much easier to sell than “beating people with sticks and cutting off their heads” of fascism’s standard.
Quite Observer #446402 March 4, 2025 9:25 am 6
At the end of the Roman Empire you get a huge bureaucracy, government graft,bagaudae(bands of peasant insurgents), civil wars, outsiders in the military and finally leading it, colonization by barbarians, and a provincial nobility that decided it was better to cooperate with the locally settled barbarians and not rely the Roman government which could no longer protect them. These aren’t precisely analogies because the times were much different then, but the broad decay resulted in change. A comical take on this is found in the historical novelFortuna at the Rudder. I hope that we don’t find the shake up as difficult to endure as the late Romans did.
Ostei Kozelskii #446480 March 4, 2025 3:05 pm 2
It has occurred to me that Trump is America’s Diocletian. But instead of cabbages, he prefers oceanfront hotels.
Arshad Ali #446410 March 4, 2025 10:01 am 5
“It is why it is fair to wonder if what we are seeing and have been seeing for the last few decades is the death of the last remaining ideology, progressivism.”It’s a complex topic. First of all, the post-WW2 elite agenda was to make sure that the Democratic Party expunged most of its really progressive elements. It became a pig with some progressive lipstick on it. From where comes the saying, “The Democratic Party is where progressive movements go to die.” Along with this, the Rockefeller Republicans drifted towards the Democrats in the late ’70s. I think it’s fair to say that the Democrats became Republicans (lite), stripped of any ideology of equitable economic restructuring, and with some ersatz woke ideology added on as a pathetic substitute — identity politics serving in lieu of economic reform. This is the kind of party that produces Obama and the Clintons. There’s more on this in Lance Selfa’s book, “The Democrats: A Critical History.”“Progressivism has had a long run, but for most of the 20th century it served as a bulwark against fascism and then communism.”Another interesting topic. With the collapse of the USSR and its East European vassal states and the concomitant ideology of socialism, the USA and Western Europe could stop making even a pretence of progressivism (or its European versions). In Thatcher’s famous phrase, “There is no alternative” (to dismantling the welfare state and austerity). To repeat myself, what for the “left” filled the vacuum of economic restructuring was woke ideology, all the more shrill and hysterical because it was and is ideologically and morally bankrupt.
Rented mule #446394 March 4, 2025 8:39 am 4
A little big brained this early in the morning for me, I ordered a tee shirt, read later.
David Wright #446397 March 4, 2025 8:55 am 4
T-shirt idea needs work. Given our present Euro relationship i’m not feeling it. Also a little graphic content would help.
Bruno the Arrogant #446403 March 4, 2025 9:38 am 2
Yeah, this one is a bit lackluster. I was hoping he would go with the “If you meet a libertarian, beat him” theme. He could have sold brass knuckles and a baseball bat with the words “Your Rights” stenciled on it as knock-on items.
Marko #446440 March 4, 2025 12:00 pm 3
I like the simple design.If someone made a “Whites Only Laundry” shirt that looked it was worn by a sponsored softball team, I’d totally buy it.
David Wright #446479 March 4, 2025 3:00 pm 1
Now we are getting some where.
Ostei Kozelskii #446481 March 4, 2025 3:06 pm 2
Hopefully, the tee shirt won’t strike you as big-brained. If it does, you might want to look into it…
Bitter reactionary #446399 March 4, 2025 9:03 am 3
When ideology is dead, are we simply left with naked competition for access-to/power-over resources? And what will be the dividing lines?
usNthem #446491 March 4, 2025 3:47 pm 2
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but when I was researching a family that lived in my state in the early twentieth century, the word “progressive” showed up a fair amount in the local newspapers. But it was my interpretation that it referred more to technological progress as opposed to social. Electric lighting, indoor plumbing, automobiles, movies, radios etc. There’s no doubt progressives, in our lifetime, have gone WAY off the deep end.
Ostei Kozelskii #446496 March 4, 2025 5:19 pm 1
Reverence for scientific and technological advancement is certainly a hallmark of positivism.
Danny #446495 March 4, 2025 5:07 pm 1
No arrests yet. Still waiting. Time will tell.
Hokkoda #446507 March 4, 2025 10:39 pm 0
I think the fascinating thing is nobody has any idea what comes next!
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