The Drug War Rabbit Hole

One of the consequences of the unfolding revelations in Washington is that we must reexamine the past in light of this new data. We now know that the political process was captured by the Blob and used to serve the Blob. That means the alleged policies of past presidents were probably not their policies at all. They were simply staying ahead of the policies put forth by the Blob.

At the same time, much of what we want government to do has gotten worse as the Blob has assumed control. Name a problem and not only has it gotten worse, but the cost of addressing it has grown out of control. One great example is the war on drugs that has tracked closely with the growth of the Blob. The cost of fighting it has spiraled out of control, while the problem has only grown worse.

It is the nature of managerialism to look for things to manage, but managing is not the same as solving or even mitigating. You cannot remain a manager if what the problem you are tasked to manage gets solved. In fact, solving the issue is exactly what you must seek to avoid, which means you become part of the problem. This is what we have seen with the drug war going back to the Reagan years.

That is the show this week. It is a dive into the rabbit hole of the drug war to try and explain how the drug menace is the result of managerialism. At every stop along the way, government either deliberately or incompetently advanced the flow of drugs into the country and the diversity of drugs available. The reason we did not have a drug epidemic a century ago is we did not have managerialism a century ago.


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This Week’s Show

Contents

  • Intro
  • The War On Drugs
  • What Happened?
  • Maxine Waters Was Right
  • The Poppy Fields
  • Syrian Captagon
  • Purdue Pharma
  • Fentanyl & Meth
  • Marijuana Legalization
  • Drugs, Protection & The State

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Johnny Ducati #444238 February 14, 2025 11:14 am 48
The Sacklers are evil greedy demons… not to be compared to a great man like Hitler.
TempoNick #444339 February 15, 2025 12:05 am 0
I’d love to know if Z is correct about the (((Sacklers))) or if the reality is not that extreme. Nothing surprises me about these people with real money, though. They’ll walk all ever everybody to acquire it.
Bloated Boomer #444370 February 16, 2025 3:43 am 0
I think like the Sassoons, they didn’t start the situation, but played a major role nonetheless.
Curious Monkey #444222 February 14, 2025 10:27 am 38
Our government joined the war on drugs, on the side of drugs
Filthie #444229 February 14, 2025 10:51 am 3
Deleted.
old geezer #444373 February 16, 2025 12:45 pm 1
it jas been proven to be true over the course of my experience, Problems are to be used, not solved
Jeffrey Zoar #444250 February 14, 2025 11:35 am 34
The oxycontin epidemic was a planned and organized genocide, deliberately targeted at White Heritage Americans, by jews, waged as a front in the Great Replacement, killing off the Whites as their replacements were imported. And they pretty much got away with it. By my estimation, there would be roughly 2 million more Whites living in AINO today were it not for this monstrous crime (counting not just the direct victims, but also the children they would have otherwise had, and the children their children would have had). This has electoral consequences (which were intentional), although it seems to have failed in the goal of turning Ohio blue. No doubt it helped with Pennsylvania and other places. Virginia, Michigan. Somehow Obama won Indiana in 2008 by about 30,000 votes.Everything about it, down to the small tactical details, was planned and orchestrated from on high. It was not some “natural” or “emergent” outgrowth of something you might expect from “managerialism” or “the blob.”
Compsci #444260 February 14, 2025 11:54 am 25
What came first, OxyContin or the hollowing out of American industry and the great rust belt of middle America? We need to consider “diseases of despair” as well in our condemnation. If the solution were only so simple as to blame one law, or one greedy Pharma…
Tars Tarkas #444272 February 14, 2025 12:54 pm 14
I disagree. I don’t think it is a coincidence that the opiate epidemic started around the very same time China got into the WTO and thousands of US factories closed.Drug addiction is a disease of hopelessness and dysfunction. People generally don’t stick needles in their arms because everything is going great. Granted, you will always have a small number of people who will use drugs or abuse alcohol no matter the conditions they exist in. But they are the small minority.Dope has been around a long, long time. Specifically Heroin has been around since the 19th century when Bayer invented it and marketed it as a non-addicting analgesic and cough suppressant. The Sears Roebuck company famously offered pre-filled Morphine needles in their catalog. Though these things did increase drug use, the number of people using was never anywhere near what we have today, even per capita. If you include all drugs like alcohol and Marijuana, probably 20% of Americans are abusing drugs.
Jeffrey Zoar #444278 February 14, 2025 1:39 pm 18
You can watch the Netflix documentary about Oxycontin and the Sacklers. The facts of the case are not in dispute. My conclusions would no doubt be considered fringe. But what other conclusion can one draw from the fact that the Sacklers deliberately chose not just the regions but neighborhoods to be targeted, and the individual doctors? Why those regions and not others? No one asks these questions.
Tars Tarkas #444281 February 14, 2025 1:48 pm 15
The facts about the Sackler family are true and I don’t dispute them. What I dispute is the idea that you are going to have much success destroying an in-tact community with such drugs. Yes, some people will and I don’t dispute that either. But the vast majority of it comes down to not just availability (drugs have always been available), but also the hopelessness of broken communities. The hollowing out of our manufacturing happened at the same time as Oxy started further wrecking communities and are no doubt co-conspirators.
Compsci #444288 February 14, 2025 2:11 pm 10
And the result of the Sacklers and the resulting hysteria wrt someone, somewhere getting high, is that the last time I was in the hospital, there were forms to sign stipulating that I would receive such and such medically prescribe pain killers, for such and such time (10 days, tops), and if out out the hospital, I would have to come directly to the hospital pharmacy where I would take my “medicine” under supervision. We were talking *major* surgery here! The Fed’s—or any other government agency—has no business in such minutiae.This is complete bullshit.(BTW, stop basing your entire understanding on YouTube like documentaries—they also have an axe to grind.)
ray #444309 February 14, 2025 3:51 pm 15
Yep. Many legitimately in pain now can’t get relief, which pushes newbies into black markets that are quite profitable for gov, fed or state (cops, guards, prisons, programs etc.) Like the devil himself, the State now is into torture. . . but for your own good, to be sure! Trust them. They will let you know just how much pain you can stand.
Templar #444330 February 14, 2025 8:13 pm 11
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C.S. Lewis
Compsci #444360 February 15, 2025 4:01 pm 4
You have to be one of two things: A heartless bastard, or a person who has never known someone—or they themselves—who has experienced true unceasing pain. I been fortunate to have both had pain, and to know people in true pain. I won’t be the one to tell them to suffer for the sake of themselves becoming “addicted”. I understand there are those who game the system, but things have gotten out of hand from my personal experience.
Bloated Boomer #444371 February 16, 2025 3:47 am 2
Would you mind elaborating about your pain experience? Did you break your back or was it some sort of industrial accident?
Compsci #444374 February 16, 2025 4:26 pm 3
Torn meniscus a couple of times. Pain so severe it does not allow walking, or initially even crawling. Incapacitation, albeit temporary in my case.More recently cardiac infarction. Complete blockage and chest pain so severe as to cause loss of appendage control through violent contractions/convulsions, but my head was clear and I was able to get a priest to attend to my “true” needs in the OR. The surgeon stood by looking piss’d. Screw him.This did not go away even after surgery, but control did returned to arms and legs. After 12 hours, I conceded and allowed morphine injection. It had almost no effect—either because dose was restricted or I have resistance. I did not followup as I am loathe to take pain medication anyway.It did not matter. The pain was such that if it did not subside—heart was badly “insulted” or bruised—I would have gone home and killed myself, not even with a second thought. However within 24 hours, the pain became bearable and within a week was gone without pain medication.I would not wish on my enemy…as they say.
Bloated Boomer #444378 February 17, 2025 3:00 am 1
Thanks for the reply. It makes you (or me at least) grateful for what I take for granted each day. It’s easy to fall into that. I used to work in an industrial setting and worried a couple times about if I’d got myself stuck in a “pinch point”. But I also imagined my arm wouldn’t hurt too much if the whole thing came off!
Galahad #444348 February 15, 2025 12:26 pm 3
More than that, it was specifically targeted towards veterans. Did a few too many jumps and your knees hurt? Here’s your lifetime dependence, I mean prescription, for percs. Most of the homeless vets you see started their journey as disaffected people coming back from warzones with serious injuries who were put on pain pills and the rest is history. Don’t take them into your home. Don’t give them money. If you want to help them, give them a sandwich (if they have the appetite to eat it, I’m told addiction to opiates makes you constantly nauseous), and curse the government that sent them into 2+ hosed warzones with no plans of exit and the only thing waiting for them on the other side was Dr. Feel Good. I was blessed by having a gene that makes opiates make me sick. A lot of my fallen comrades weren’t that lucky. Pray for them, hate the people who facilitated this for them, but don’t get personally involved. There are people who get paid to do that.
Compsci #444361 February 15, 2025 4:07 pm 5
Misuse of pain killers is one thing, having restricted use when applicable is another. I have experienced pain so severe as to drop you on the spot. You simply can’t move. Fortunately this pain subsided within a short period and I could help myself get to some sort of respite. Now imagine that pain never subsides? I too have a resistance to pain and as near as I can tell, opiates—but I won’t sit in judgement of others.
Jack Dobson #444355 February 15, 2025 2:48 pm 0
Even though I’m extremely cynical and always have been, once upon a time I would have seen all that is somewhat loony, Jeffrey. Yet this happened: Biden Canceling Trump Plan On Opioid Treatment Prescriptions Western politicians are largely powerless actors and impotent frauds and have to be viewed as third party beneficiaries, but they still have to get elected to grift. This no doubt was seen as a way to cull people.
joey jünger #444232 February 14, 2025 11:01 am 29
Being a Cincinnatian, I actually had the chance to meet probably the most pivotal character in the cocaine traffic. “Freeway” Ricky Ross was the main conduit between the CIA and the streets when Ollie North was trying to raise money for the Contras. Ross was very shrewd and made more than two billion dollars in today’s dollars while living in California. What was he doing in Cincy? He was obsessed with tennis from a very young age and had moved here for the ATP Masters tournament. He was a skinny guy and spoke in a gentle voice and you would have never guessed who he was or what he did. He looked a bit like Bobby McFadden, the guy who got famous singing “Don’t Worry, Be Happy.”No one believed him when he got busted and said he was trafficking for the CIA. North was considered a golden boy back then—this was before he got caught extorting Wayne LaPierre of the NRA. One journalist—at a second string paper—actually investigated all this. He wrote a book called “Dark Alliance,” before supposedly committing suicide by shooting himself multiple times in the head (he must have had a very hard head.) His name was Gary Webb and they made a fictionalized movie about his story, “Kill the Messenger,” that I’ve been meaning to see.I’m tempted to say Reagan’s legacy needs to be reevaluated (amnesty to three million illegals was the crack they needed to drive the wedge) but it would only lead to more gushing about how great he was from the usual suspects. I liked him when I was a child in the 80s, mostly because his name, through loose association, reminded me of Ronald McDonald.
Ostei Kozelskii #444240 February 14, 2025 11:15 am 6
McFerrin, not McFadden.
Templar #444251 February 14, 2025 11:40 am 8
His name was Gary Webb… I remember hearing about him, but I thought he was suicided because he uncovered evidence that White Flight to the suburbs had been a deliberate part of a long-term real-estate scam using blacks to drive whites out of the (potentially extremely valuable/desirable) inner-city neighborhoods they used to occupy, then use “gentrification” to drive the blacks out in turn once property values had cratered sufficiently…
joey jünger #444256 February 14, 2025 11:48 am 24
Whatever got him killed, he made the mistake of trying to actually get the story, beating feet around town and the country and asking hard questions. In other words, being a newsman rather than a journalist.
Vegetius #444265 February 14, 2025 12:13 pm 14
Gary Webb died from two gunshots to the head.
Templar #444280 February 14, 2025 1:46 pm 7
From a revolver, if memory serves…
Dutchboy #444319 February 14, 2025 5:45 pm 6
Obvious suicide!
NoName #444320 February 14, 2025 5:55 pm 5
Templar: “a long-term real-estate scam using blacks to drive whites out of the (potentially extremely valuable/desirable) inner-city neighborhoods they used to occupy, then use “gentrification” to drive the blacks out in turn once property values had cratered sufficiently…“Just like Maui & Pacific Palisades.We poor stupid idiot goyische shkotzim lack the innate ability to properly acknowledge &anticipate &analyze & confront & eradicate thesatanicallysadistic psychopathy known as, “Chutzpah”.My guess is that even now, after everything we’ve learned these past few decades, a good 75% or more of our populace would refuse to recognize “Chutzpah” for the satanism which it really is.Courtesy of Suburban Elk…
TempoNick #444345 February 15, 2025 9:50 am 0
Nah. There’s nothing special about a house. Unless it’s in a fancy neighborhood, It generally keeps getting sold and resold just like a used car. The owners get progressively poorer with each transaction. It’s just old and most people want something new if they can afford it. Not saying there wasn’t some of what you describe going on, just said most of it has to do with aging.
TempoNick #444340 February 15, 2025 12:08 am 4
There was no bigger fan of Reagan than I and I agree that in hindsight, he really wasn’t all that. He changed the conversation, moved the Overton Window and government was reined in for a while, but that’s about it.
Krustykurmudgeon #444231 February 14, 2025 10:57 am 20
You see this on the issue of homelessness. It seems they want better houses homeless with cleaner needles. They don’t want to actually solve the problem.
Compsci #444257 February 14, 2025 11:49 am 3
Well, if the “problem” is “virtue signaling”, the current “solutions” work wonderfully for some people.
Tars Tarkas #444275 February 14, 2025 1:22 pm 10
Oh, it’s worse than that. It’s a grift. Everyone involved in the homeless racket is rich.
Compsci #444286 February 14, 2025 2:03 pm 7
In that you have a point. In my younger days any number of fellow students dropped out of graduate programs and took positions in charities. They made so good money too, while I lived on an research assistant’s stipend.
Mycale #444274 February 14, 2025 1:10 pm 17
The last point Z is talking about also speaks to the homeless issue. There is a massive industry built around “helping” homeless people, especially in cities like NYC and LA, except the homeless problem gets worse every year. And if you look at what the homeless “advocates” talk about, it’s basically about letting them do whatever they want and indulging their every vice. Hence we go from “hey let’s build a shelter so homeless people don’t have to sleep in the cold” to “that bum has the right to set up a tent in your front yard and pleasure himself when your daughter is waiting for the school bus”.Not coincidentally the homeless industrial complex is also intertwined with drug abuse, and the managerialism has taken over there too, where we now have “safe injection sites” where rather than “connecting addicts with services” like they claim, they are teaching them how to maximize their high and stuff like that, keeping them locked in. As mentioned, it is by design.
3g4me #444242 February 14, 2025 11:20 am 16
Irecall reading a fiction book that had a guy deliberately poison a large drug supply, and the users – including celebs, politicians’ kids, etc. – began dropping like flies. I’m fine with that. History offers minimal encouragement on means to get weak and/or despairing people to desist from using substances deleterious to their health. I don’t know that I regard illegal drugs as much different than all the ‘legal’ prescription ‘antidepressants’ people take. Life can suck – and you just have to deal with it. Those who can’t cope opt for drugs, alcohol, grift, violence, cheating, etc. No, I don’t like people very much.
Compsci #444255 February 14, 2025 11:47 am 17
This. In sooo many aspects of life, we’ve abandoned “strict Darwinian selection”. We simply can’t rectify these two aspects of recreational drug use. In short, you want to abuse drugs, then accept the consequences and die in the street come winter—or sooner when you starve to death or overdose.We want it both ways. We pick these people up, stabilize them in the nearest hospital, then release them to repeat the process of human degradation all over—until finally it is “all over”. It’s a wealthy society’s “solution” to the problem of drug addition, but we are fooling ourselves and helping no one.
Jeffrey Zoar #444262 February 14, 2025 12:04 pm 10
Drug and alcohol rehabilitation is a multi billion dollar industry, a lot of which is paid for by Obamacare. I don’t know how many people it really helps, whether or not it’s worth it. There are success stories, I just don’t know what they are as a percentage, or whether or not it balances out economically. For the ones who do get better, it is common that after a couple decades of substance abuse, they are basically unemployable anywhere other than the substance abuse treatment industry. So you could say it’s sort of a jobs program for recovered addicts and alcoholics.
Compsci #444289 February 14, 2025 2:20 pm 3
“There are success stories, I just don’t know what they are as a percentage,…” Try ChatGPT: “General Population: Approximately 40% to 60% of individuals treated for substance use disorders experience relapse. This rate is comparable to relapse rates for other chronic diseases, such as hypertension or asthma.” Albeit, the true/best answer is more varied and nuanced and dependent on the drug. For example, alcohol needs to have its own consideration apart from opioids and stimulants. And of course, one relapse problem puts you in a much higher category of relapse probability.
Mycale #444273 February 14, 2025 12:56 pm 18
A couple years ago, the “health experts”, giddy on all the cred they thought they earned during the pandemic, started talking up how EVERYONE needed to start carrying around narcan as we went about our day. This is so we can save people we see overdosing on the street or whatever.Obviously this didn’t catch on but they still say this. It speaks to the insanity of the situation we live in, where normal people are supposed to care more about the lives of junkies than the junkies do, and where we are supposed to put the safety and wellbeing of junkies ahead of our own (as we saw in the Penny incident, these people get so far gone that even EMTs are afraid of touching them, but we’re supposed to run up and save their lives if they are ODing).
Compsci #444291 February 14, 2025 2:24 pm 6
I agree, but I also maintain that long time drug users are “broken”. They no longer are competent to live in society on their own. The point being that you “can’t fix crazy” as they say. (And by the way, in my burg, all city police carry Narcan…). 🙁
KGB #444314 February 14, 2025 5:00 pm 13
One of the most jarringly incongruous bits of propaganda the government puts out is their treatment of dangerous drugs like heroin and fentanyl vs. cigarette smoking.Here in the rust belt, it’s common to see billboards or commercials from state or county boards of health reminding you that doing hard drugs doesn’t need to be an impediment to a normal life, just make sure you’ve got narcan and you shoot up with a friend. But watch a TV commercial pertaining to smoking and it’s a guaranteed death sentence that results in only misery, pain, disfigurement, and the grave. What on earth is the agenda behind that?
Pozymandias #444321 February 14, 2025 5:57 pm 8
A couple years ago, the “health experts” … started talking up how EVERYONE needed to start carrying around narcan as we went about our day.It’s impossible to imagine how hard people in deep blue shitholes like Portland will virtue-snivel about this stuff. I live close enough to Port-o-Potty that recently I actually saw some silly college-age girl (of course) wearing a little button pin on her backpack advertising that she carried Narcan. I have to admit it crossed my mind that some clever local entrepreneur probably made some good money selling those pins and other similar ones to silly little bitches like her. Bet she also bought a Ukie flag pin too.
Paintersforms #444277 February 14, 2025 1:33 pm 11
Many years ago, I volunteered at a shelter, serving meals. I’d say 10% of the people were regulars, and hopeless. What to do with the hopeless but to let them hit bottom and rebound, or die? I dare say it’s more humane.
Mow Noname #444287 February 14, 2025 2:11 pm 12
Homeless is spelled, “C.A.T.O. 4, 3, 2, 1” C: Crazy, 4 out of 10A: Addicted, 3 out of 10T: Tramp/ transient, 2 out of 10O: Out of luck, 1 out of 10 On a good day 90% of the “homeless” will always be with us.
Jeffrey Zoar #444301 February 14, 2025 3:20 pm 7
Granted I ain’t done a study, but I’d say the crazy number is too low. Probably most of the T and a lot of the A is also C.
Compsci #444292 February 14, 2025 2:30 pm 11
We bring back “institutions”. In the bad old days of my youth, we called them “insane asylums”, but we had an (IMHO) a valid concept—some people can not live independently among society, they are not equipped for it. Similarly, if we can’t stand stepping over the drugged out bums on the street, then we maintain them in some sort of confined area where they can be watched. But as said, this is expensive, but the kindest way to handle those who are “broken”. But hell this is America—the home of the free—let the bums rule the streets until they go away by themselves.
Paintersforms #444306 February 14, 2025 3:42 pm 8
Bringing back asylums is a great idea. Get people the help they need. I’m all for that, but they have to want help, or it’s a waste. No good but the good person’s pride. Hence the ditch, as ugly as it is. Some people will see what they want, and decide they don’t want it. I met a couple of them. Others will be out of their misery and won’t be inflicting it on everyone else. Which tends to happen anyway.
Bruno the Arrogant #444317 February 14, 2025 5:26 pm 7
Realistically, there’s only two ways to deal with the insane. I’ve lived long enough to see them both tried, and they both suck.While putting the legitimately insane in institutions would probably be the most reasonable and humane thing to do, let’s remember why we aren’t doing it anymore.Recollect that the hospitals and insurance companies made a cottage industry out of locking people up. Apparently, kids smoking weed were sufficiently “insane” to warrant being locked up in institutions (without criminal charges or due process). That is why it is almost impossible to involuntarily commit anyone these days, the practice was so wildly abused.Certainly, turning babbling schizophrenics out on the street to shift for themselves isn’t working out much better, but there were reasons we got rid of the institutions.This is one of those problems there just aren’t any good solutions to. Neither locking them out or turning them loose is satisfactory.
Compsci #444363 February 15, 2025 4:25 pm 0
The main (not only) reason we were able—and induced—to close “insane asylums” was drug treatment with a new category of psychoactive drugs.See:Madness and the Brain by Dr. Solomon H. Snyder, first published in 1974, that delves into the neurobiological underpinnings of severe mental disorders, particularly schizophrenia.This was required reading in my undergraduate years. Basically, we were sold on the concept of “treating” mental illness with these drugs and mainstreaming back into society these heretofore committed mentally ill people. The US population was turning Leftist in those days and the politicians, as always, were whores for the money to be saved.Of course, there was one unmentioned flaw in this effort. There was no way to assure that the mentally ill maintained their drug treatment regimen once returned to the street. 🙁But by then the damage was done.
redbeard #444221 February 14, 2025 10:18 am 15
Im my libertarian days I remember Jeffery Tucker saying, the drug war is not a war against drugs but a war against the populace.
Jerry #444225 February 14, 2025 10:38 am 16
The CIA proposed to purchase the entire world supply of LSD in the early 1950s, supposedly to keep it out of the hands of the Soviets. Production was shifted to the US. The Soviets had no problems with LSD afaik, but within about ten years the USA was awash in the stuff. The “Elite” held that only they should partake, others wanted to dose everyone. “Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out”. The “counter culture” sure had a massive corporate presence. It’s almost comical in retrospect.
Vegetius #444241 February 14, 2025 11:19 am 1
Check outLouis Jolyon “Jolly” West
ray #444304 February 14, 2025 3:33 pm 2
Large corporate presence, large military presence. Prolly coincidence.
Tars Tarkas #444228 February 14, 2025 10:47 am 21
But Jeffrey Tucker is a retard and a fag. He was virulently anti-Trump for all the typical leftist reasons. He is a typical left wing libertarian despite his connections with the Rothbardian side of libertarianism. Also, one should be willing to reexamine their beliefs when they are proven wrong. The loosening of drug war law enforcement in places around the country and in some other countries have made the drug problem worse, not better. In 2010, we had only 1 example in Amsterdam. Now we have quite a few and all of them have been total failures by any metric.
redbeard #444244 February 14, 2025 11:23 am 7
I agree but I thought his assessment was correct none-the-less. Criminalizing drugs allows them to penalize just about all human behaviour, not that I think they should be legal but, just something to think about.
Mycale #444247 February 14, 2025 11:29 am 33
When drug consumption was illegal, at least I could walk down a street in Manhattan without it smelling like a Cheech and Chong movie set. When it was illegal, you didn’t have unlicensed pop-up stores selling blunts and edibles to 13 year olds who then go on to fry their brains. This isn’t even getting into Portland’s disastrous experiment with legalization.
Pozymandias #444282 February 14, 2025 1:50 pm 13
Portland – the one word rebuke to everyone advocating “legalize everything!” because they did, during the Coof when everyone was distracted by all the nonsense about the vaxx and the masks. It’s still uninhabitable today and the rents have gone way up in my suburb because anyone who isn’t a junkie or criminal has moved out and come here. Granted Portland was always a steaming pile of hipster shit but I knew it would get worse when they legalized everything. And even here everything smells like a Cheech and Chong movie set but at least we don’t have to worry about stepping on used needles like they do 15 miles East. F*ck Portland, f*ck legalization and f*ck the whole West Coast with a handful of dirty needles.America needs a new motto, goodbye “land o’ the free”, hello “it can always get worse!”.
Compsci #444246 February 14, 2025 11:29 am 10
The problem is always whether we can reasonably proscribe various “drugs” vs whether these drugs are dangerous to societal well being. Just about every known drug is problematic in one use or another, unfortunately most elective use cannot be prevented. Latest example is Marijuana. Oldest, alcohol. The problem of course is the “because we can do little, we should do nothing” nihilism that arises. I fear we are forever to be in that quandary.
Tars Tarkas #444259 February 14, 2025 11:53 am 17
We can start by making the importation or manufacturing of hard drugs a capital offense. They are killing 100,000 people a year, not to mention torturing millions of addicts and wrecking their lives and family’s lives.A lot of people who import drugs get little to no punishment when they are caught. Most of them are mules and don’t know much of anything. AFAIK, they are not using the vast surveillance apparatus for enforcing drug trafficking laws. A lot of the kvetching about the drug war is just lies and or exaggeration.There is a lot to criticize about the drug war. The drug war is used as an excuse to mess with people (I smell marijuana, I have to search your car) and to rob people on the side of the road. Or the border being redefined as the border plus 100 miles (which houses like 80% of the US)“The problem of course is the “because we can do little, we should do nothing” nihilism that arises.”Sadly, I think you’re right. We get clownworld or nothing. But it doesn’t have to be this way.
ProZNoV #444261 February 14, 2025 12:03 pm 23
100%. China had an opium problem. Capital punishment fixed it. Singapore never has…because it’s a rapidly enacted death sentence for mere possession. In the US, we allow 100,000 death and ten times as many destroyed lives per year while allowing the Sacklers to grow rich beyond belief and the cloud people chuckle when the son on the VP leaves his cocaine stash in the guest room of the White House.
Compsci #444263 February 14, 2025 12:05 pm 3
Not going to work I fear. Here is but one reason—which I’ve actually observed myself. Drugs sold on the street right next to my university involved 10-12 yo “runners”. When my car was stopped at a long light, they solicited me. If I gave them money, they ran around the building complex next to the street and got my product. And no, this was not a scam. I witnessed successful transaction after transaction occur.You gonna execute a 10 yo? Not gonna work. I suppose you could execute the addict, but as I said the addict’s mind is broken. You might as well make the same argument for traffic violations in order to make the roads safer to drive upon.Increasing penalties is usually not the answer—especially for non-enforcement in the first place. And adequate enforcement and punishment is *expensive*, which is why we don’t have such.
Tom K #444268 February 14, 2025 12:21 pm 19
They put Charles Manson in prison for life and he never physically killed anybody. Somebody is running those ten-year olds so those people can be collared and shown some real justice. That would stop it pretty fast.
Compsci #444283 February 14, 2025 1:59 pm 0
Yeah, and the 60+ yo grandma who drives a car up from Nogales port of entry gets executed as well, since she had a bag of fentanyl shoved in her wheel well. Not gonna happen. Lot’s of thought talk here, no experience. Before you make the fallacious argument of more and more extreme punishment, perhaps you investigate just how many of these folk have 1) been caught, and 2) got off with light or no sentence, then 3) recidivised. When those criteria are met, we can justify harsher punishment.
Tars Tarkas #444269 February 14, 2025 12:26 pm 13
I anticipated this response by saying “the importation or manufacturing of hard drugs”Do I think we should make mere possession a capital offense? No. My best friend of decades is in the ground and he died with a needle in his arm (on Kensington ave noless) under the age of 45. 40 something year olds should not be in the ground.If there wasn’t all these hard drugs smuggled into the US (or precursors), these 10-16 year olds would have nothing to push. Also, I support capital punishment for dealers using 10 year olds in their dealing.You cannot clandestinely create fentanyl or meth from scratch. It requires too much up front capital (which will be lost at first discovery) and PHD chemists who have plenty of high paying options open to them and precursor chemicals which are tightly controlled. There is a reason nobody has Quaaludes anymore.
Horace #444284 February 14, 2025 2:01 pm 11
I think you underestimate building will. I have ZERO problem executing the lot. This is utterly existential. There are no boundaries and there is only one rule.The numbers like me are growing and will continue to grow by leaps and bounds when Pres. Trump’s civic nationalism fails. All I want is a thin veneer of authority backed by adequate local support, the better fifth of the local population should do.However, by the time we get to that point, and we WILL get to that point, serious (war, rather than law) deportations will be on the table. No one will need to execute 10 yo’s when you are expelling them and their entire families to their new country carved out the corpse of the Global American Empire.I expect this sounds crazy to many. Remember Yugoslavia? Their left corporate ruling class thought the same thing. They were wrong. The left corporate vermin who rule over us are also wrong. EVERY grifting imperial ruling class in human history never believed in their heart of hearts that their grift was going to end, too, but every single one of them did.
NoName #444323 February 14, 2025 6:05 pm 2
CompSci: “I witnessed successful transaction after transaction occur. You gonna execute a 10 yo?“ ABSOLUTELY. Execute them, their parents, and their older syblings. All of them.
Tom K #444264 February 14, 2025 12:09 pm 22
New designer drugs are constantly being synthesized. It’s an almost insoluble problem, not that we shouldn’t try to suppress them by going after the criminal cartels that produce them. But I’m afraid the bigger problem is that the government really does want a sedated, helpless, demoralized populace. We’ll see what the Trump admin can do about it. The global elites behind it are after a global population collapse worldwide to “save the planet”. The drug onslaught is just one prong in their attack to reduce the most independent populations. The ongoing drug attack on Appalachian culture is just the most obvious example of this. If they can import the Haitian cat-eaters and their ilk into every small town in the US and so on it becomes very demoralizing. There are so many other anti-human things they do that it becomes overwhelming to trad culture such as a negress winning best country album of the year award. It begins to seem “normal” to youth who don’t even know what normal is.
RVIDXR #444311 February 14, 2025 4:30 pm 13
One of the most insidious policies of the drug war is forcing drug arrest quotas on law enforcement agencies which is how you end up with police acting as drug traffickers & also going around planting drugs.It also shows that the government never really had any plans on actually eradicating drugs from society, it was just another money making scheme with the populace getting shafted from every angle.It was a happy coincidence that they also turned every single aspect of the country into a hellscape of hopeless despair which primed the population for escapism. That was the lynchpin that made it all possible in my opinion.In my lifetime I’ve watched people who occasionally engaged in vice as a social lubricant steadily become totally lost & dependent on it to make it through the daily grind. When there’s no light at the end of the tunnel & nothing to live for tomorrow its not only easy but almost logical to get wrapped up in a addiction cycle.A lot of people think there’d be a revolution if drugs were removed from society but I’m absolutely positive the only thing that would change is the suicide rate would spike even higher as a result.Its to the point where you can’t listen to the radio, go to a store, show up to a job or engage in any aspect of daily life without beingconstantlyassaulted by clown world. Its extremely oppressive & the end result reminds me of animals in captivity that die prematurely & won’t breed.The average person isn’t self aware of the psychological forces at play so when something that numbs the sensation is dangled in front of them there’s no hesitation & no obvious reason to not indulge. Given that it’s not surprising so many people are doing illicit drugs, antidepressants or engaging in hedonism.I read a while back that the mexican birthrate has flatlined & that the black suicide rate among the young is rising. Those two races are not environmentally sensitive, not anywhere near as much as Whites are anyway. They’re used to living in squalor but they’re now being affected which is a testament to how unnatural our society has become. Seems like if you can’t insulate your culture & your kids from society they’ll get ground down just like Whites were & that’s getting harder & harder to do.A century or so ago you could get many of the same drugs floating around today right off the shelves of stores yet there was no drug epidemic. Same thing applies to guns & mass shootings. There’s definitely a dysgenic element to this but that’s also downstream from a culture that deliberately breeds such people.
Marko #444230 February 14, 2025 10:51 am 12
One thing I’ve learned in the past few years: American blacks are wiser than the racist right gives them credit for. They’ve been yapping about government drugs in the ghetto for decades; they don’t pay taxes or deal with banks, they act like they’re never home and unreachable, they instinctively distrust media, they didn’t fall for the Covid vax, and they pretend to like Dems because of the gibsmedats. They are irreverent and recognize Game, take advantage if they can, and most importantly: they scare people. White people need to learn a thing or two about our AA countrymen.
Ostei Kozelskii #444237 February 14, 2025 11:12 am 30
Nuggras yapping about drugs in da hood is like them blathering about about peace and love. It’s a farcically hypocrical con gullible, multiculti whites fall for like Charlie Brown and the football. And they’re not our countrymen. They’re an inimical race, partically a different species.
Marko #444267 February 14, 2025 12:20 pm 2
I didn’t write brothers or fellow citizens, but they do live in the same country as us and partake in many similar activities.
Tom K #444295 February 14, 2025 2:42 pm 7
Did you mean partially or particularly? I have asked myself that question on occasion, doubting my sanity under the constant negrophilia of our dominant culture. Apparently at the base level though, they were hybridized from a Homo Erectus-like progenitor. At least we get a “blast from the past” when we encounter one resorting to his/her natural inclinations, i.e., the classic “chimp-out.”I also respect Marko’s opinion however, as I think he is entirely correct about them. I’ve spent a lot of time around them. They will try to undermine your priors if you let them wheedle their way in, that is, “get next to you” as they put it. They are basically hostile to whites because as Mr. Bridge said, “They resent us.” That’s reason enough for me to avoid them.
Ostei Kozelskii #444297 February 14, 2025 2:57 pm 2
“Practically.” Seems my fingers go in a different direction from my mind quite a bit these days.
Tired Citizen #444239 February 14, 2025 11:14 am 25
Good post, but I don’t agree that they didn’t fall for the covid vax. Everywhere I went I saw blacks wearing masks. It also could be that they were hiding from the law… one never knows with the criminal race.
Marko #444266 February 14, 2025 12:14 pm 12
True, they masked up more thoroughly than whites did. In fact, I still see them walking down the street with masks strapped to their chins. But blacks believe in ghosts more than science.
Tom K #444296 February 14, 2025 2:47 pm 14
The worst of all with the masks are the orientals. They’re supposedly smarter than whites but they sure don’t demonstrate it.
Ostei Kozelskii #444307 February 14, 2025 3:47 pm 11
Definitely the worst Covid hysterics. There was this Chink restaurant I used to patronize. A very good takeout joint. Well, when the Covidiocy struck, the owners and staff naturally donned the moron masks–nothing unusual in that. However, in addition to wearing masks, they forbade customers entering their restaurant to pick up their orders. Instead, they nuggra-rigged this little kiosk in the front of the building where you slipped them the money/debit card, they processed it, and then handed you your order through this little window. And if that wasn’t ridiculous enough, they continued this asininetheatre derangeeuntil they went out of business merely months ago. In other words, they preferred to go out of business rather than take hold of reality and admit to themselves that they were in no danger and never had been. **smh**
Ketchup-stained Griller #444312 February 14, 2025 4:40 pm 7
They’ve been doing it in their own lands for a long time for flus and pollution. It’s practically traditional at this point
Ostei Kozelskii #444315 February 14, 2025 5:17 pm 1
True. However, they didn’t begin wearing them wholesale and continuously in AINO until 2020.
Pozymandias #444316 February 14, 2025 5:25 pm 1
Yep, years before the Coof I read an article written by a Westerner shitlib explaining that the East Asians were “germophobic” in the extreme and that’s why you’ll see them on trains or busses wearing face diapers. I imagine he had some explaining to do to the local Coof-commisars about that if anyone remembered what he wrote.
Templar #444253 February 14, 2025 11:43 am 16
…and most importantly: they scare people. Ironic, given that any white man with an ounce of testosterone scares the shit out ofthem.
Tom K #444298 February 14, 2025 2:58 pm 9
They have a lot of weird beliefs. For instance the idea of being “cock-strong”. They believe that if a man doesn’t get enough pussy, then his hand strength increases to a vise-like amplitude. They attribute being “cock-strong” mostly to white men whom they think don’t get enough pussy. I shook hands with a black guy once and I kept increasing the pressure. Finally, I was near my limit and I saw a trace of fear cross his face. I gave it my last effort when he suddenly gave out this yowl and jerked his hand away. I could tell he was convinced I was “cock-strong.” He was right, I hadn’t had any pussy in several months lol.
Ostei Kozelskii #444308 February 14, 2025 3:51 pm 10
Ha ha. I’ve noticed that disgustingly soft, squishy handshake is common among virtually all wogs. Whenever I experience it, I get a queasy feeling in my gizzard.
BigJimSportCamper #444332 February 14, 2025 8:33 pm 5
Wimpy, faggy handshakes make a bad first impression in my book. Ugh.
Ostei Kozelskii #444353 February 15, 2025 2:35 pm 3
And it seems the giver of that limp shake usually has a sweaty palm, too. Double plus ungood.
Gespenst #444338 February 14, 2025 10:48 pm 1
Depends on how many of them there are and where you meet them. Don’t push your luck.
Templar #444483 February 17, 2025 5:25 pm 0
Depends on how many of them there are and where you meet them. Don’t push your luck. Don’t push your luck. I’dliketo think that everyone here is wise enough to not take blacks’ ironic paranoia about whites as a license for careless confrontation…
Barney Rubble #444290 February 14, 2025 2:22 pm 3
Wisdom….or animal cunning?
TomA #444245 February 14, 2025 11:28 am 11
You could write an encyclopedia and make movies about Mena Arkansas and Clintons. Oh right, that has already happened. Or Air America or Iran Contra. And Fauci makes Mengela look like a piker. I thought we were Whitepilling his week!
NoName #444342 February 15, 2025 2:07 am 5
Is there any valid true actual evidence that peeps likeMengela ever harmed anyone at all? At this point, my working assumption is that 110% of the evidence at Nuremberg was fabricated directly into existence by Hollywood screenwriters. I wouldn’t trust the Nuremberg verdicts if the only conclusion they came to was that the Sky was Blue and the Grass was Green. In my book, anything tainted with the sign of the Harvest God is nothing but lies upon lies upon lies.
Tars Tarkas #444285 February 14, 2025 2:02 pm 9
It is absolutely not true that you can sue the cops if they violate your rights. “Qualified Immunity” should really be called Unlimited Immunity.The SCOTUS invented QI, but they made a rule that you can only sue the cops if they violate your civil rights and are on notice of it through court cases. But you need a precedent in order for the QI to be overcome. So there are very few precedents and no new ones can be created. It’s a catch 22. You need a case to set the precedent, but cases can only get through if a precedent has already been set.There are some outrageous cases where QI was upheld despite EXTREME abuses of rights. The cops can literally beat you to the beat of the Macarena and there ain’t a goddamned thing you can do about it. The only people you can sue is the city. You cannot sue to the individual cops because they are not on notice that they cannot beat you to the beat of the Macarena.
Bitter reactionary #444270 February 14, 2025 12:40 pm 7
Good discussion, but I don’t see American softies ever waging the kind of drug war that would work. So, what is best for long term mitigation of this unfixable problem?I’m not sure we have the right data to figure it all out. But we do know that political views are largely a product of biology, and so is one’s predilection for addiction. Do those correlate? If yes, in the long term what happens if we allow the Portland experiment to continue, on a mass scale? The place no doubt attracted a disproportionate number of addicts by legalizing so I can’t say how many normal natives suddenly became drug fiends. But I suspect not really very many. It pulled in outside addicts.It would be an ugly process but letting that part of the population destroy itself may be eugenic. Better to ban Narcan instead?I believe the best measure is well crafted anti-drug propaganda. Show what that poison really does, and rub people’s noses in it. A frying egg in a pan (your brain on drugs!) Is not scary. A mouth of horribly rotted teeth from meth would work a lot better. If they spent as much time demonizing drugs as they do demonizing Whites maybe we’d get somewhere.
Pozymandias #444299 February 14, 2025 3:05 pm 3
Portland’s social problems started years ago when the idiotic liberal electorate kept voting for massive handouts to the homeless. Most of the local churches, for instance, are addicted (ironic isn’t it?) to grants from the State or city to provide freebies for the hobos. That and the mild winters attracted people from all over the nation who were allergic to work and sobriety. Then they got the bright idea to legalize all drugs.It may have been unintentionally like a well done marketing strategy. First, develop a market (bring in hobos from everywhere west of the Mississippi), offer something they like (free food and shelter), then the bait ‘n switch to hard drugs. As the Underpants Gnomes would say – profit!
Some Guy #444254 February 14, 2025 11:47 am 7
There are people who can use alcohol and drugs without problems. What percentage are these versus those who cannot? Presumably, this is why Prohibition was repealed. Most people judged that they could enjoy alcohol without bad consequences. Cities like Portland demonstrate that when drugs are legalized an intolerable proportion of people cannot use them responsibly. Are the only choices banning or legalizing all drugs? If we ban them, there is some proportion who can use them without problems, yet the damage done by those who cannot is terrible.
Jeffrey Zoar #444258 February 14, 2025 11:50 am 13
It depends somewhat on the drug and how it is used. If you take 100 people and shoot them up with heroin every day, after two weeks you’ll have 100 heroin addicts. Take 100 people and get them drunk every day, after two weeks, maybe you’ll have 5 alcoholics.
rasqball #444279 February 14, 2025 1:40 pm 16
You know, Opioids – including heroin – are an “easy kick”, physiologically speaking: withdrawal, is 48-72 hours of “flu-like.” (Alcohol withdrawal, on the other hand, can be lethal if not adequately managed.)But the will to stayoffof the dope- ah, a different story! Once one has “Been To The Ball with THAT demon”, the desire to keep on dancing is…? (That’s right – “demon.”)
karl von hungus #444358 February 15, 2025 3:03 pm 1
“when you’re married to H, you’re married for life” – Savoy Brown
Compsci #444294 February 14, 2025 2:37 pm 10
The stat’s are (IIR), of those who touch alcohol, 14% or so will have some type of abuse problem during their lives. As far as opiates, I do not know. But one thing I’ve experienced over a lifetime is that people taken pain killers—who have *real* pain—do not normally become addicted. Don’t buy into the Fed FUD. The panic over people getting addicted has caused much grief and suffering.
Piffle #444303 February 14, 2025 3:24 pm 5
The people who can use them without problems are not better people because they can. It still drags them down and constantly exposes them to the problems of addiction. There’s no upside to legal drugs. It’s only a marker of a society that has abandoned all hope.
Some Guy #444305 February 14, 2025 3:38 pm 2
Do you apply the same judgment to alcohol?
Piffle #444344 February 15, 2025 9:06 am 2
No, because alcohol has other uses, it’s ridiculously easy to make at home out of anything, and it’s obviously been interwoven into universal human society for thousands of years. I would call alcohol the exception that proves the rule.My argument is not negated by a historical exception. There is no upside to letting any other drug eventually take the status of alcohol.
Compsci #444364 February 15, 2025 4:39 pm 1
There is a point however to be made with alcohol, that of genetic adaptation through millennia of use. Every advanced society that has progressed to farming and grain harvesting discovered fermentation. From there, alcohol consumption. Conversely, many primitive societies—basically hunter-gatherers—never got that far. Hence great problems with alcohol addiction and such. Example, American Indians.
Bruno the Arrogant #444322 February 14, 2025 6:00 pm 11
That’s the vibe I’m getting. I still have enough libertarian in me that if I thought drugs were being legalized out of respect for our individual choices, I’d be able to go along with it. But when I see drugs getting legalized along with shoplifting and other abhorrent behavior, one is strongly left with impression that they aren’t doing it out of respect for our freedom, but simply because the authorities can’t be arsed with keeping order any longer.
Bruno the Arrogant #444318 February 14, 2025 5:43 pm 6
This is why I think social credit systems are underrated. We don’t ban things like guns and drugs because we’re afraid Jeff Bezos will get coked out and shoot up his backyard. What we’re afraid of is Jonquerious getting coked out and shooting up our neighborhood.So I have no problem with a system that allows responsible people like Bezos to use his own judgment with regard to firearms and drugs, while denying them to Jonquerious.When your operating principal is Equality Under the Law, your laws are going to end up getting made to accommodate the lowest common denominator. Which is pretty much what has happened.
Jeffrey Zoar #444341 February 15, 2025 12:42 am 4
I’m not afraid of a social credit system run by white nationalists. But when Clown World Inc gets a hold of it……
Hemid #444351 February 15, 2025 1:12 pm 0
Your paragon of probity is a man whose midlife crisis got him so messed up on artificial hormones he left his cute wife for an aged-out rubberized prostitute. No amount of junkies with machine gunes could do even a minuscule fraction of the permanent social harm Amazon has done. Who owned the newspaper that won the Pulitzer for the “Russiagate” hoax—propaganda for a war that’s erased anentire white ethnicityfrom the future of humanity?Servility is a hell of a drug.The recent DOGE news has really highlighted the “right-wing” compulsion to seek, in every situation, the lowest-status person to direct injury toward. News says some judge’s wife’s soccer team got 1.2 million from USAID How gauche! But thereal problemis this whiskey-breathed guy buying a Coke with his EBT card. He’s just going to drink it!When’s Elon gonna do something about this?! Reopen the asylums!
Dutchboy #444325 February 14, 2025 6:51 pm 6
Protection rackets work best when people are afraid. The biggest gains for the administrative state have been when people were fearful: the Great Depression, WWII, the Cold War, 9-11, and Covid all generated fear and a great leap in the reach of the administrative state. If Trump can return us to a relatively peaceful state by ending the new Cold War, the administrative state will take a big hit.
Dutchboy #444352 February 15, 2025 2:21 pm 4
Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers were rightly condemned for their criminal behavior but they are far from alone. All the principal drug manufacturers have been found guilty of criminal behavior that killed thousands. They pay the fines and go on with business as usual. It’s a cost of doing business and nobody goes to jail. The Sacklers and Purdue paid a large fine but the Sacklers were alleged to have salted away $1 billion in Swiss banks ahead of the fines. A particularly egregious case was the Vioxx scandal. Marketed by Merck as a miracle anti-inflammatory drug, it was on the market for five years. Merck hid data that showed that the drug significantly increased the risk of heart attack and stroke. Eventually the feds investigated and concluded that the drug may have killed as many as 50,000 people. Merck eventually copped a plea, paid a settlement that was a small fraction of the profit they made on the drug and went on with business. Nobody went to jail. Ron Unz pointed out that during the five years Vioxx was on the market, there was demographic statistical anomaly in that there was an increase in deaths of 100,000 per year, mostly among the older population (the population targeted for Vioxx use). The anomaly disappeared when Vioxx was removed from the market. That is 500,000 dead people. Coincidence?
Oswald Spengler #444313 February 14, 2025 4:42 pm 4
42:50This section of this week’s Z-Man podcast reminds me of the opening scene of the filmLayer Cake.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8MGBn3KawMXXXX: When I was born, the world was a far simpler place. It was all just cops and robbers. But it wasn’t for me.Then came the Summer of Love. Hashish and LSD arrived on the scene. There were villains locked away for twelve years for robbing a bank of ten grand, doing time with drippy hippies down six months for smuggling two million quid’s worth of puff. I mean work it out, mate. We’re in the wrong fucking game. Drugs. Changed. Everything.Always remember that one day all this drug monkey business will be legal. They won’t leave it to people like me. Not when they finally figure out how much money there is to be made. Not millions. Fucking BILLIONS. Recreational Drugs PLC: “Giving People What They Want.” Good times today, stupor tomorrow.But this is now. So while prohibition lasts, make hay while the sun shines. I’m not a gangster. I’m a businessman whose commodity happens to be cocaine. I mean ten years ago, a bit of charlie was for pop stars or a celebrity’s birthday bash. It was demonized byDaily Mailreaders getting drunk in naff wine bars. Now they’re my biggest clients.This is Clarkie. Double first at Cambridge in industrial chemistry. Only he’s got to pay off his student loans somehow. Today I only deal in kilos. And, depending on which tariff you use, will cost you 28 grand, or fifteen years in prison. Which is more time than a rapist’s [sentence].C’est la vie.It is vital that we work to a few golden rules: Always works in small teams. Keep a very low profile. Never deal with anyone who doesn’t come recommended. I mean it’s like selling anything: washing machines, hand-made rugs, blow jobs. As long as you don’t take the piss, people will always come back for more. And that’s not to say that we don’t weave that special kind of magic that turns two kilos into three, but never be too greedy.Know and respect your enemy! It is only very, very stupid people who think the law is stupid. And avoid like the plague, loud attention-seeking wannabe gangsters in it for the glory, to be a face, to be a name. They don’t mean to fuck up. They just do.Oh, and forgive me for stating the obvious, but stay away from the end user. They’re guaranteed to bring you trouble. As do guns. I hate guns. And violence. But, as some Roman general once said: “If you seek peace, prepare for war.” Morty, and his assistant Terry watch my back. Morty learned to be cautious the hard way. He did ten years inside. He’s my bridge to the criminal world. And he insures that the traffic is one way….
Bartleby the Scrivner #444366 February 15, 2025 5:55 pm 0
One of the most underrated movies of all time. With the best, most visceral beating scene in movie history.
Vegetius #444252 February 14, 2025 11:41 am 4
It was real in his mind:“WHEN RICK DOBLINwas in his early twenties, he had a dream in which he was escorted back in time to witness a Holocaust survivor’s narrow escape from the Nazis.In his mind, Doblin travelled to Eastern Europe to witness thousands of Jews lined up alongside a mass grave as the gunners open fire, toppling the bodies into the earth. The man spends three days alive underground before emerging and fleeing to the woods, where he survives the war in hiding.The man then tells Doblin that he survived this horror only to deliver a message that Doblin should devote his life to promoting psychedelics as a cure for human ills and an insurance policy against another Holocaust. Then he expires.Doblin took the advice to heart. For much of the next four decades, he waged an often frustrating battle to get public health authorities to recognize the value of psychedelics, the perception-shifting compounds popularised in the 1960s that have been a source of both fear and fascination ever since…”Jewish health advocate trying to turn psychedelic drugs into legal medicine – The Jewish Independent
ray #444302 February 14, 2025 3:24 pm 2
Yeah drugs, man! (rubbing at eye with fist) There was this time in the Sixties when . . . uh, I think I forgot. Man.
BigJimSportCamper #444334 February 14, 2025 8:40 pm 2
“Dave’s not here”.
karl von hungus #444357 February 15, 2025 3:01 pm 0
“good thing I didn’t step in it”
Piffle #444234 February 14, 2025 11:06 am 2
I am all for police actions against drugs. People do respond to incentives, including expense and fear of jail time. Recreation drugs are all bad at all times for everyone.* Allowing them is a nod to modern despair and tendencies towards hedonism. However, the “war on drugs” modernly is grift. How it’s attacked properly is to throttle the supply, which involves securing the borders and throwing the book at drug dealers.I would argue that open borders and concerns about jailing blacks over “just” drug use has created a non-war on drugs. Thus the unsurprising explosion of use, particularly in poor whites.*But what about alcohol and cigarettes?? Neither are ideal. However, cigarettes get people through work and alcohol is special in human history. Further it’s possible to use alcohol in ways that are helpful, ie sterilization/improvement of water etc.
Zulu Juliet #444243 February 14, 2025 11:23 am 14
Ah, yes – The old alcohol is more dangerous than drugs bit. People who drink a triple after work are far more productive in the long run than people who light a joint. And for every old person who dies at 62 of cirrhosis of the liver, there are a couple young people dead before their thirties from ODs or despair from the ruined life of a junkie.
Compsci #444249 February 14, 2025 11:35 am 7
The quandary is that there are people with low intellect out there and eventually broken minds. They can no longer make rational choices—as you and I would define. As such, incentives no longer work to entice these people into a productive way of life.
Piffle #444300 February 14, 2025 3:20 pm 1
We don’t abandon laws about murder because people still commit the act. I don’t know why it’s allowable when it’s about drugs. Check that, I do know why. People want to indulge, rather than concern themselves with the potential addicts.
Ostei Kozelskii #444310 February 14, 2025 3:52 pm 4
Easiest way to equalize society is to abandon all standards. Happens in education, culture and law, and probably other areas as well.
WillS #444326 February 14, 2025 7:28 pm 0
Not sure equalize ia the correct term. I think you might have meant to flush it down the drain.
Ostei Kozelskii #444354 February 15, 2025 2:36 pm 1
Pretty much amounts to the same thing.
Compsci #444365 February 15, 2025 4:45 pm 0
I was referring to your statement, “People do respond to incentives, including expense and fear of jail time.” There is an implicit assumption there of a “sound mind”. I maintain these folk do not have such minds. However, that logic is not to be extrapolated to doing nothing, only to changing methods of deterrence for such people.
Dad Bones #444227 February 14, 2025 10:43 am 2
The cartels should thank us for the war on drugs.
Mycale #444233 February 14, 2025 11:02 am 12
If the cartels didn’t exist, the CIA would have had to create them (….).
Piffle #444235 February 14, 2025 11:07 am 8
Making hard drugs legal doesn’t “solve” the cartel problem. See: big pharma.
Mycale #444236 February 14, 2025 11:09 am 17
Right. We are seeing that with sports gambling now. The problem is now exponentially worse and many millions more people are in the thrall of addiction today compared to when it was illegal.
JDaveF #444443 February 17, 2025 12:11 pm 1
You really need to learn a bit more about the history of drug use in the USA – start here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act
The Greek #444368 February 15, 2025 11:30 pm 1
On the decline of cocaine: It’s still out there, but you’re not wrong that it’s declined a lot in the young party crowd. I have some people on the periphery of my social circle still in the hard partying young crowd, and the drugs of choice are Ritalin and zyn (nicotine) patches. These are guys that have done both coke and Ritalin, and according to them, the Ritalin gives them 90% of what coke gives them, and you can get it with a prescription.
karl von hungus #444359 February 15, 2025 3:16 pm 1
my cure for homeless plaque: set up facilities where the homeless can check in and get all the drugs they want, plus water. they can stay as long as they want, but can’t leave until they aren’t high any longer. well of course 98% of them will OD the first time they try it out.
Hi-ya #444223 February 14, 2025 10:28 am 1
Sounds interesting!
Alzaebo #444331 February 14, 2025 8:33 pm 0
Man oh man. Yet another thoroughly effed-up innovation of the 20th Century.* You really are shooting for all the marbles here, Zman! *(and of course, like so much else, started up by our Usual Suspects, the means by which a gangster culture gained an enormous influence in the West, and then the world.)
WillS #444327 February 14, 2025 7:31 pm 0
Good show. The grifting must continue no matter the cost.
DYSPEPSIA GENERATION Blog Archive The Drug War Rabbit Hole #444293 February 14, 2025 2:32 pm 0
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the oneirocrat #444271 February 14, 2025 12:44 pm -5
What’s up with this Elon character and his doubling down on that weird St. Christopher’s pose of his?It doesn’t seem protective, but rather creepy and out of place.Is Mr. Musk sending a message to the pedophile clique?Why don’t act instead?It would be as easy as to publish the names of those involved, sit back and let the populace do the justice.
rasqball #444276 February 14, 2025 1:30 pm 1
What’s a “St. Christopher Pose?”I know a St. Michael pose – boot on Satan’s throat, sword held aloft – but St. Christopher?
Dutchboy #444324 February 14, 2025 6:21 pm 1
Carrying a child on your back (St. Christopher was reputed to have carried the child Jesus across a river).
rasqball #444350 February 15, 2025 12:59 pm 0
I always thought that “child-on-back” it was Joseph…thanks for straightening me out.
Hemid #444349 February 15, 2025 12:53 pm 1
Elon doesn’t know what he looks like. He’s an actual nerd in that sense. And he’s high as Paul Bunyan’s balls almost all the time. Any blasphemous display, intentional or otherwise, ischildishness.Our elite appears—desires to appear—demonic, Satanic, transgressive, etc., because it’s puerile, like a teenage goregrind band (without the obscene poetry). There is a core of child rapists and child rapist groupies in there, but they don’t advertise and nerds aren’t invited.(Epstein™ is a different thing. Actual sickos aren’t into teenage prostitutes. That’s a fetish of men who had a bad time—or a really good time—in high school, not of mental wrecks consumed by perversity. “What luck!” not “I can only get it up forhalfa baby.”)


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