Prudentialism

One of the many interesting aspects of the Trump era has been the collapse of what was called conservatism in America and the rise of a new coalition to replace it as the dominant force in the Republican Party. Most pundits have been happy to call it Trumpism or MAGA, as they hope it is temporary. Others have tried to jam it into the populist bucket, despite the fact it is not a populist movement. Beyond these superficial attempts at labeling, not much has been said about it.

Not everyone in the coalition is thrilled by what they are seeing. Many older conservatives, the paleo variety, are happy to see Conservative Inc. head off to bankruptcy, but they are a bit uncomfortable sharing a pew with people like Robert Kennedy Jr. or Tulsi Gabbard. They wince when Tucker Carlson gets along with old school lefties like Jimmy Dore or Aaron Maté. They spent their lives on the opposite side of these people and now they share the same movement.

In fairness, it is even more difficult for the old school lefties, because for them, politics defines their life. That means they are now faced with supporting that which they were sure was evil until not so long ago. It also means their conception of evil may have been wrong, which means their conception of themselves was wrong. This is why it is difficult for an ideologue to adjust to new evidence. Unlike the non-ideologue, such adjustment requires a reexamination of their soul.

That aside, the issue everyone is struggling with is that our political buckets, like so much of the past, have been a fiction. The left-right framing was never two groups opposing one another, but two groups negotiating with one another. It was Team Fast versus Team Slower, both agreeing on the destination. The “conservatives” were never interested in conserving anything but their sinecures, while the liberals were hellbent on sweeping liberalism into the dustbin of history.

For as long as anyone has been alive, the consensus in American politics has been the radicalism at the heart of progressivism. Egalitarianism, universalism, and the blank slate are the three legs of this ideological stool. What motivates and justifies using this stool to smash up American society and go abroad to smash up other cultures is the intense belief that they are commanded by history or history’s God to impose this ideology on the people of the world.

This is how we arrived at this odd time where John Derbyshire and Paul Gottfried share a pew with RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard. The excesses of progressivism, unconstrained by the necessity of the Cold War, have put everything at risk, thus calling forth an old force that has been dormant since Gettysburg. That force is prudentialism. The thing that lies at the heart of Western conservatism is a set of precautionary principles that act to avoid unknowable negative consequences.

If you listen to what RFK Jr. says about medicine, for example, it generally boils down to restoring prudence to the field. The drug makers operate on the assumption that they must rush everything to the market, which often causes new harms while having little impact on the thing they are trying to mitigate. The Covid vaccine is a great example of the recklessness of medicine. Even a little bit of prudence would have avoided this easily avoidable error.

Similarly, Tulsi Gabbard’s main reason to exist is her skepticism of the military industrial complex and the foreign policy community. For the last thirty years, we have staggered from one ill-conceived conflict to the next, never stopping to ponder if what we are doing will have negative consequences down the road. No one seems to be able to think beyond the first move. The main thrust of Gabbard’s critique is that a tiny bit of prudence could have prevented many of these debacles.

The reason these two are attracted to Trump’s movement is that fundamentally, Trump is the great champion of prudence. He would rather not spend money than spend it, not because he is cheap, but because he knows that spending it has consequences and unless you put those consequences in the balance, you are recklessly spending money and that is not prudent. Trump’s foreign policy is motivated by a desire to not create new problems which will lead to new conflicts.

If Team Slower had not abused the word “conservative” for so long, what we are seeing could be easily labeled “conservatism.” Decades of verbicide have left us with a poverty of language to describe what we are seeing. It is why Trump never uses the old labels when talking about politics. He did not call the people running USAID “leftists” or even “radicals” but instead called them “lunatics.” In the current context, it is both the appropriate word and the accurate one.

Even so, Trumpism is the return of prudence to our politics, and it is the necessary precursor for the return of a genuine American conservatism. To paraphrase Michael Oakeshott, “Trumpism is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.”

The boys and girls in conservative sinecures are hostile to Trumpism because it casts light on their project, revealing it to be nothing more than the sidecar to the radicalism they claimed to oppose. For the neocons, Trumpism is a mirror, revealing their lack of a soul and exposing the vampirism that animates them. For others, it is an uncomfortable calling home of the prudent into a disposition that has defined their lives but never defined their politics.

For lack of a better way of stating it, what we are seeing is the forming up of a new prudentialism, that in the fullness of time may be able to rehabilitate the term “conservative” but for now must settle for Trumpism or MAGA. It is not running around trainyards yelling stop. It is a great rolling back of the progressive project, not driven by superficial romanticism, but by prudent necessity. To make America great again, we must sweep away progressivism and its reckless implementations.


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Captain Willard #443804 February 12, 2025 9:19 am 76
When Dick Cheyney said “We (USA) create our own reality”, it was really no different from some Prog calling a man in a sundress a woman. Both accept no limits (classic hubris) and are fundamentally reckless. So it’s a Cloud-Dirt dialectic in another form. As some clever guy said “You can ignore Reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring Reality”. If Prudence is anything, it’s about accepting Reality.
Wolf Barney #443810 February 12, 2025 9:33 am 34
And Reality doesn’t go away even when you stop believing in it. One of the best lines ever. Thanks Zman.
NoName #443946 February 12, 2025 3:37 pm 17
Z: The Covid vaccine is a great example of the recklessness of medicine. Even a little bit of prudence would have avoided this easily avoidable error…Reality doesn’t go away even when you stop believing in it…For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet, you simply must watch John Campbell’s new video, concerning USA deaths in the 25yo-44yo age range.Excess deaths in young adultshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHpvhZFvUl4The paper has been accepted by JAMA:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2829783https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/articlepdf/2829783/wrigleyfield_2025_ld_240295_1737666979.93197.pdfThe youtube video has more than FOUR THOUSAND comments.John Campbell, in closing: “We need complete freedom to discuss why we are burying and cremating people in what should be the prime of life.”
Kevin #444065 February 13, 2025 11:02 am 0
read this and weep –https://substack.com/@markcrispinmiller1/note/p-156937070?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=16kz4
Jeffrey Zoar #443814 February 12, 2025 9:40 am 16
I think it was Karl Rove who said that. But it was probably because he heard somebody like Cheney say it.
Ivan #443818 February 12, 2025 9:52 am 13
Rove is a shrubite opportunist like Clitonista Carville without the irritating accent. Ayn Rand said the thing about reality, ignoring it and the consequences thereof, not rove.
Arthur Metcalf #443820 February 12, 2025 9:53 am 7
It was Rove, but the reporter almost certainly massaged it to make it sound minatory. I’ve watched Rove talk for 25 years, and he doesn’t have that kind of cadence, vocabulary, nor depth of thought. He’s a campaign nuts and bolts guy with limited education, not Alexander Kojeve.
Captain Willard #443843 February 12, 2025 10:17 am 3
Thanks for the check Jeffrey…my memory is getting hazy.
Arthur Metcalf #443852 February 12, 2025 10:26 am 8
Keep in mind that Rove has denied saying it, and the reporter who says he did is, well, a reporter, and one of the worst. I don’t know how you guys can listen to a nitwit like Rove for decades and think he’s capable of articulating a thought like that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_communityEdit: I mean, seriously — after the past 10 years and the past 10 days in Washington, there is no reason to believe any of these reporters any longer. Do you really think Karl Rove — Karl Rove! — said the following:“…solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.”Be honest.
nil son #443917 February 12, 2025 1:46 pm 9
The quote is generally attributed to Philip K. Dick, an acid-dropping schizophrenic science fiction author who had a better grasp on reality than any of today’s libtards and rinos.
ray #443929 February 12, 2025 2:25 pm 5
I recall PKD used amphetamines, not acid. Speed often is popular with writers because they can go 2 days sleepless and on Full Dilithium Drive, then crash, then do it all again. Hard on the bod but productive. BTW Philip Kindred postulated that the Roman Empire never ended but is alive and well in America and the West.
TempoNick #443835 February 12, 2025 10:02 am 19
I’ve often wondered if the ascendancy of the techno class is what is warping our reality. You can code a computer to do whatever you want it to do. To a lesser extent, the legal community can also fashion their own reality.I wonder if working in that kind of an environment has warped the reality of the powers of be. I wonder sometimes if they think they can restructure the world and the immutable laws of nature and physics with a couple of documents and a stroke of a pen, like lawyers do when they create a non-profit that essentially operates like a for-profit company.Some of the things they’ve tried to do are really bizarre and that’s the only explanation I can come up with.
karl von hungus #443840 February 12, 2025 10:13 am 5
or video games that let you re-spawn your character if it is killed
Paintersforms #443842 February 12, 2025 10:16 am 6
Coding, arguing— words and ideas. Idealism. Declaring reality. Let there be light.
rasqball #443847 February 12, 2025 10:23 am 9
I have long been contemplating same: our “thought leaders” (!) are almost contemptuous of gravity, and have been for some time now. Most of these are Silly People Who Revel in Being Smart-Aleks, but there exists a “hardcore”, for whom this an occult (i.e., Gnostic) wonderment.
ray #443932 February 12, 2025 2:31 pm 7
Gnosticism is quite alive and thriving in the Western world. So is Druidism, especially in the Isles and the U.S., hello Bohemian Grove. America is a blatantly pagan nation littered with occult symbolism . . . the lingo of the elite.
Captain Willard #443849 February 12, 2025 10:24 am 14
It’s funny Nick. The “Techno Class” stuff started firmly rooted in reality: Taylor time/motion studies, Ford’s assembly lines, Sloan’s organization methods, GNP accounting (Kuznets; yes, it gets misused but the intent was scientific), Six Sigma (recycled from Japanese Kaizen) etc. But at some point (maybe McNamara in Vietnam), it just became easier to make up the numbers and superimpose a political Narrative.
Jack Dobson #443853 February 12, 2025 10:28 am 21
Affluence and abundance prepared the ground for living with delusion. The earlier innovations were at a time without a social safety net. Once the welfare state was in place and the peasants warm and fed and harmless, lying became the default since there would be no consequences for it. I think McNamara makes a good marker.
The Infant Phenomenon #443951 February 12, 2025 4:09 pm 3
Z-Man has explained that in this essay: egalitarianism, universalism, and the tabula rasa. The three legs of the “Enlightenment stool” Fools *believe* those superstitions. It warps them; probably permanently.
teotoon #444033 February 13, 2025 10:24 am 2
Need to include the disbelief of the true God accompanied by the belief in the Serpent.
CorkyAgain #444329 February 14, 2025 7:46 pm 0
To sharpen the focus and identify the philosophical position at work in that disbelief, let’s call it materialism : the denial of the vertical, spiritual dimension and restriction to the horizontal, worldly one.
Jack Dobson #443837 February 12, 2025 10:05 am 16
Bush/Cheney most likely will be the last persons of that particular brand ever to occupy the White House. At the conclusion of Trump’s term it will have been twenty years since that cancer had a host.
TempoNick #443876 February 12, 2025 11:25 am 25
Crippling USAID will have a lot to do with that. I had no idea these people pushing neocon ideas into the system work being funded by the US government. Crazy me, I thought it was Jewish billionaires funding it. However, as a friend of mine says, billionaires are the biggest welfare queens in this country. So, it figures that they would find a way to advance their prerogatives on our dime.
NoName #443969 February 12, 2025 6:33 pm 8
TempoNick: “However, as a friend of mine says, billionaires are the biggest welfare queens in this country. So, it figures that they would find a way to advance their prerogatives on our dime.“ The floodgates were intentionally opened on Black Monday, of 1987, by none other than (((Alan Greenspan)))himself, and Black Monday has haunted us through Sept 11th 2001, through the 2008 collapse, and on into the(((Bernanke/Yellen/Rubin/Summers/Mnuchin))) rape of the Treasury & the Federal Reserve. None of these (((billionaires))) earned their money the old-fashioned way. All of them were the beneficiaries of massive illicit “leaks” from the Fed.
NoName #443971 February 12, 2025 6:40 pm 8
In a few weeks, (((Greenspan))) will be 99 years old; (((they))) probably have enough Adrenochrome-soaked Packed Red Blood Cells [PRBCs] to keep (((him))) going for another decade after that. Old Sanhedrin never die; they just fade away…
NoName #443972 February 12, 2025 6:41 pm 3
BigJimSportCamper #443974 February 12, 2025 9:37 pm 3
Jonathan Greenblatt.
The Infant Phenomenon #443949 February 12, 2025 3:56 pm 3
“Pride goeth before destruction, and vanity before the fall.”
RealityRules #443809 February 12, 2025 9:31 am 44
I respectfully and fundamentally disagree with this essay. To conserve is to preserve or save something. What is being preserved or conserved? They, we hope, are smashing something – destroying it. Well, they better be smashing and destroying it. Of course, at the same time they must be building something and something better.Conservation has nothing to do with any of this. The most critical part of the project is the reconstitution of the entire reason for any of this – the people and their well being. The entire thing hinges on mass deportation and restoration, not conservation, of the American demographic dominance. Otherwise it won’t be America.We will know Trump is serious about this when he starts taxing remittances. He must ruthlessly starve the NGOs of money for population replacement/resettlement, then he must tax the remittances so heavily that these people go back home. The tariff threats are nice, but the beating heart of TGR is remittances. Mayorkas himself said so. They are transfer payments to Wall St.Terms are defined by actions. What we demanded for the past two decades is restoration and reclamation. This is defined by the actions of cessation of mass legal and illegal immigration, mass deportation through financial and if necessary physical removal and destruction of the networks and people who are carrying out mass replacement migration / population resettlement.Musk today revealed the latest scandals in FEMA paying for luxury hotels for illegal immigrants. The time is now. Tax the remittances, sue to the ground the hotel operators and try them for treason. Most aren’t American anyway. Then bring back the rope factories and crank them up full time. Put the names on them for a little, “personalization”, that the managers love so much. Then put them to use.We aren’t conserving anything other than our people. Even that is a restoration project. Conservatism has failed and I never want to hear the word again.
Filthie #443817 February 12, 2025 9:50 am 21
I will be interested in how your Orange Man deals with the lawfare and rogue activist-judges. A few have raised their ugly heads… and so far I haven’t heard of any resolutions about them…
TempoNick #443821 February 12, 2025 9:54 am 8
You know what would put a stop to all of this monkey business? Defunding the judges that engage in this monkey business. Not all of them, just the activists.
Filthie #443833 February 12, 2025 10:01 am 37
Think so, Nick? Dont get me wrong – I love what Trump, Elon and Big Balls are doing… (wish someone would do it here in Canada)… but, dammit…these guys gotta be PUNISHED. People have to see the system actually work. It’s like a rattler in the back yard where the children play. You don’t put a bucket over the snake to isolate it and hopefully contain it… you kill the snake. Theres a lot of people walking around Washington breathing freely – that shouldn’t…
The Infant Phenomenon #443957 February 12, 2025 4:54 pm 4
Steve Bannon has lad it on the line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bS1ekLzCw&ab_channel=GBNews But you are right: It is not enough for the system to work; the system must be SEEN to work. Justice must be SEEN to be done.
Compsci #443967 February 12, 2025 6:18 pm 3
The executions therefore with be televised…
karl von hungus #443982 February 13, 2025 7:47 am 0
is that a play on Gil Scott-Heron? 🙂
The Infant Phenomenon #443956 February 12, 2025 4:49 pm 3
The law requires the state attorneys-general in the complaint they have filed to post a bond in the amount that the court estimates the respondents might have to pay OR be damaged if the court should find in favor of the respondents. The law specifies that the United States does not have to post such a bond, but the state attorneys-general DO. That alone should render their complaint moot, since the bond would have to be posted in cash b/c nobody would underwrite a bond in the action at hand b/c it could run to scores of millions or even billions of dollars. This has been reported for the past day or two elsewhere on the ‘net. Check Vox Day or Western Rifle Shooters Association.
Jeffrey Zoar #443973 February 12, 2025 7:27 pm 1
“The court may issue a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order only if the movant gives security in an amountthat the court considers properto pay the costs and damages sustained by any party found to have been wrongfully enjoined or restrained. The United States, its officers, and its agencies are not required to give security“ I am pretty sure Judge Engelmayer would rule that the proper amount was zero. I am guessing that in fact he already has.
teotoon #444043 February 13, 2025 10:39 am 0
IIRC, the criminals put the bond at $10,000 which is ludicrous.
teotoon #444042 February 13, 2025 10:37 am 1
Lame Cherry, having read Sandburg’s history of Lincoln, put forward the the idea of using a Provost Marshall to go after, try,and punish these traitors.The High Collar CriminalsPresident Donald Trump is the EXECUTIVE in the Government branch. He has absolute authority to appoint anyone, and in numbers of cases without Congressional “advise and consent” to carry out his orders.DOGE is an audit platform. The President in having Elon Musk his representative, because the President is the one who is security cleared, is Constitutionally authorized to engage in this audit, and Mr. Musk and his team should be commended for the fine work so far in rooting out over half a trillion dollars in waste in Congressional budgets that do not exist in programs….these judges are providing protection for an insurrection against the United States.The entire point in this is, that there is no protection for judges nor for representatives who have engaged and enabled criminal acts. The remedy is a Provost Marshal with an arrest warrant from the Attorney General, Secretary of Defense or any other official representing the President, should be served and these criminals be taken into custody for a Tribunal trial to settle their fate.
Arthur Metcalf #443831 February 12, 2025 10:00 am 20
That is Trump’s biggest test. I continue to believe he won’t cross the Rubicon and jail a judge. But if he doesn’t, there are over a hundred US district judges lined up to run his presidency for him. He should be able to see this now.History may have given us an opportunity, but the man who brought it about has a fatal flaw, which is his age and worldview. To do what is necessary would involve changing something deep about him as a showman and a businessman, and I don’t think he has the will to throw the old self away and embrace the chance he was given.
Jack Dobson #443848 February 12, 2025 10:24 am 4
I reject that it even amounts to crossing the Rubicon. Even more than the prosecutions, clawing back the money is something that would be expected, but, yes, it is viewed now as revolutionary, which is telling.
Tarl Cabot #443874 February 12, 2025 11:21 am 24
Yesterday Trump said he would obey the judicial TROs that are attempting to stymie his efforts. If he is serious about that, it is probably the end of significant reform. It will almost certainly take two years, at least, for these issues to reach the Supreme Court in definitive fashion, and in any event he should not be confident in the votes of Roberts and Amy Two-Names (maybe not even Kavanaugh). In the meantime, the gears of leviathan will grind on.Prudence is all well and good, but wisdom is knowing when it’s time to go to the guns (metaphorically speaking, NSA!). In my opinion, it would be better to have the “constitutional crisis” now, when the political winds are at Trump’s back, rather than wait until a time when they may have shifted.
Hemid #443910 February 12, 2025 1:10 pm 11
The justices he put on the court will never forgive him for making them “Trump judges.” They’llalwaysfind a way to screw him in retaliation—to show off for their friends, basically. “He thinks he’s people!”Every one of them has done it already, Gorsuch most egregiously. The other Republican knives in Trump’s back have been inserted while “in character,” but in the big troon case, Gorsuch took it upon himself to generate ashocking plot twist.Trump has to tell them to eat shit—preemptively, openly. Only a fully coprophagia-compliant ruling would be constitutional, obviously, but only Thomas and Alito care about that, so there’s no use making that kind point. “Pull one of your usual childish stunts and be disobeyed.Then what?”(This is not a possible event.)
Jack Dobson #443927 February 12, 2025 2:19 pm 4
Very little save so-called birthright “citizenship” issue ever will be appealed that far, largely due to uncertainty. Trump will claim compliance and either not comply or do so maliciously, Eisen and Co. will crow and milk their donors, and it will proceed as is happening now.
Compsci #443877 February 12, 2025 11:30 am 0
Is it ever necessary to “jail” a judge? Or is the key here to restore the original understanding of the judiciary as the organ of *opinion* and the executive as the organ of *enforcement*. I do admit however, there needs to be some oversight in which to replace judges whose “expiration date” has been reached. To this effect, lifetime appointments need to be eliminated in favor of term limits. This should restore a balance and churn the judiciary in order to meet societal changes—but not the immediate passions of the “mob”.
Dutchboy #443895 February 12, 2025 12:01 pm 17
He can just ignore their rulings. They have no power to enforce them. I think Vance has already hinted at this.
The Wild Geese Howard #443968 February 12, 2025 6:20 pm 5
One would think the Trump team would be very aware of the dozens of non-compliance precedents set by Biden. That would also supply a simple, boilerplate answer for media pests. “Ask your boy Biden about that, duh.”
The Infant Phenomenon #443958 February 12, 2025 4:58 pm 5
I know what you mean, but you are forgetting–apparently–that they actually SHOT the man, and he has *not* forgotten that. He *knows* what that means: He–personally–is in a fight to the death. Not only his own death, but the ruination of his entire family and their imprisonment or death. He *knows* that, you may be sure. Remember: They SHOT him.
Ride-By Shooter #443851 February 12, 2025 10:25 am 18
I will be interested in how your Orange Man deals with the lawfare and rogue activist-judges It’s really quite simple. Step one is to trace out the implications of a rigged 2020 election. Since fraud vitiates whatever is dependent upon fraud, it follows immediately that Biden was a fake president, a mere imposter. Therefore Donald J. Trump is the 46th president of the USA, not the 47th as simpletons believe. It follows from this that every judge installed while the Biden cabal occupied the WH is illegitimate. And that’s not all.
Ostei Kozelskii #443883 February 12, 2025 11:43 am 11
Not a bad idea. Prove the 2020 election was actually acoup d’etat, vacate that election and every act Biden undertook.
Ride-By Shooter #443944 February 12, 2025 3:06 pm 1
Afaik, for four long years Congress did not transmit a single bill to any president, as required by I.7.2 of the Con. The same clause gives the president 10 days to return a bill to Congress unsigned or else it becomes law, except in case of the adjournment of a Congress. So far, there’s no Con law snare here.The present Congress, however, could argue that the prior two Congresses transmitted bills to the White House during the years 2021 through Jan 20 2025, and that upon DJT taking the oath of office, those bills can be considered transmitted as required by I.7.2. This argument, alas, presumes that JRB was a fake 46th, which means all of JRB’s other acts, including judicial appointments, were fraudulent. This Congress would have to be desperate to take this route.Lots of people have been looking over the election results, often without finding good reasons to trust the official results. I hope those deepest into the weeds get the money they need to restart an investigation into the matter. They can organize the data in the clearest possible way for presentation and publication.PDJT, however, already publicly doubts that the 2020 results were legit. Possibly a law suit could get him to affirm this bluntly and to issue one or more EO directing relevant agencies, departments, and bureaus to affirm publicly that PDJT is the 46th president, not the 47th.
Steve #443970 February 12, 2025 6:35 pm 1
Re: unsigned, unreturned bills, yes, sort of. All those 11th hour bills that passed just before they adjourned would have been pocket vetoed, since Congress was not in session on the deadline.
rasqball #443854 February 12, 2025 10:28 am 9
Time forThe Culling of the Kritarchs? These are not hard men – in fact, many of them are gals! – and will besmirch their britches if leaned upon…
Ivan #443830 February 12, 2025 9:59 am 30
The project must then extend to the fabric of society to include, among others, catholic and Lutheran services that brought somalis, Haitians and the other diversity to majority white populated areas like maine, minnesota, north dakota, etc. The project must also extend to the role state, county, city, school board, etc has played in the malfeasance.
Ostei Kozelskii #443886 February 12, 2025 11:46 am 18
What that means is elucidating the fact that white people have been their own worst enemies. Race treason must have dire consequences for the traitors, far worse than the consequences their policies had on the hapless, innocent whites outside their ambit.
Epaminondas #443906 February 12, 2025 12:55 pm 6
Even worse. Turns out these church groups were taking money from USAID.
3g4me #443907 February 12, 2025 1:01 pm 15
Worcester, Massachusetts just declared itself a trannie sanctuary city. Its population in 2020 was 51.8% White. When I visited there in 1980 with a cousin looking at colleges, it was 94% White. People are entirely too ignorant of just how late in the game it is; barring radical action, Whites will be 50% of AINO in 2030 and disappear a few decades thereafter (exponential effect of racial birth and death rates.
Maxda #443918 February 12, 2025 1:55 pm 3
By the end of the 80s it had a pretty rough Puerto Rican hood. Worcester could have been a great small to mid sized city. Took a lot of work to prevent it.
3g4me #443919 February 12, 2025 2:02 pm 3
Yeah, it was a White working class city in the old days. Then Massachusetts added a swarm of Puerto ricans and mixed-race Portuguese.
Jack Dobson #443838 February 12, 2025 10:07 am 12
Excellent comment. Musk showing the corrupt, dark underbelly of the beast has been an amazing moment. He and Trump at best are preserving our people in the currently deracinated state. Our goal has to be restoration.
Pickle Rick #443860 February 12, 2025 10:40 am 16
Most importantly, Musk is showing the President that his old CivNat faith in the institutions of government is not only wrong, but dangerous. Confronting Trump with proof of the rotten corpse at the heart of his idealized America will shock him and push him to more radical solutions than he imagined were necessary. Destroying Trump’s illusions even beyond what they were when he was nearly killed last summer is vital to turning him into a revolutionary historic figure. Having Joe Dirt and a solid group of loyalist advisers amplifying that message and pushing Trump to action, not empty bluster will have results.
Jack Dobson #443864 February 12, 2025 10:52 am 12
Trump has transitioned to a revolutionary figure even now. He’s overseeing the attempted destruction of the Administrative State whether he realizes it or not. And I have started to think he fully comprehends he is not reanimating a corpse that died a deserved death long ago. Whether he succeeds is another matter, but I have started to think he may. This was supposed to be a Thermidorian Reaction and has blown well past that mission. Let’s hope he gets the military fully under control ASAP because it is still in the grips of ideologues and thieves capable of a full-blown, no shit coup.Trump more or less is Lenin at this point even if he wanted to be Stalin.
Compsci #443880 February 12, 2025 11:36 am 8
“Trump more or less is Lenin at this point even if he wanted to be Stalin.” Very astute observation. It seems—putting the cart before the horse here—the man who follows Trump will determine all that Trump may accomplish.
Ostei Kozelskii #443889 February 12, 2025 11:50 am 7
He has already started moving, if only symbolically, against the military. Hence, he has forbade the celebration of ethnic and racial “months” in the military. If nothing else, Trump’s heart is assuredly in the right place.
Compsci #443901 February 12, 2025 12:15 pm 9
We need to start getting rid of the Generals at the top. One by one won’t do it quick enough. The one back door solution is to shrink the command structure from 40+ (4-star) to a dozen or so. He could then handle the dozen left—if necessary—in his term. There’s reason many—if not most—of the military coups start among the colonel level.
Redneck 0311 #443942 February 12, 2025 2:56 pm 8
What DOGE needs is a simple website, at minimumlisting such info as: Each Instance of suspected abuse Agency responsible Full description of abuse and consequences, if known Individual(s) most responsible for abuse Approximate $ amount of each line item of abuse Narrative detailing actions the agency had taken toHide or obfuscate said abuse Having such factual data at hand and current will go a long way toward validating his effort, and will further enrage the progressives. I’m surprised such a chronicle hasn’t already been established.
Ostei Kozelskii #443881 February 12, 2025 11:40 am 7
You’re certainly right about one thing–there is very little in contemporary AINO worth conserving. Therefore, literal conservatism would not only be otiose, it would be pernicious. What is required is destructive reaction and reconstruction.
ray #443937 February 12, 2025 2:44 pm 3
looking up ‘otiose’. . .
Danny #443959 February 12, 2025 5:10 pm 3
otiose – that word be ray-shist
ray #443963 February 12, 2025 5:59 pm 1
:O)
3g4me #443905 February 12, 2025 12:42 pm 13
Hear, hear. If I had a buck for every recent internet comment telling people to ‘legalize’ their status, or that ‘murka loves ‘legal’ immigrants, I could pay for a few months of groceries. Trump doesn’t have to worry about gettingre-elected, but he’s yet to touch the immigration system overall.And we’ve heard almost nothing from Stephen Miller of late, whether about faux ‘refugees’ or the approximately 1.5 million ‘legal’ third-world immigrants per year. Yes, money matters, but demographics matter more. F**k the magic dirt and magic papers and gyrating magic negroes at the big sportsbowl – I want a White future.
c matt #443948 February 12, 2025 3:47 pm 3
DOGE took direct aim at the funding for illegals with USAID. Best way to stop it in its tracks (no $$$, no caravans, no NY 4 star hotels). Need more of that, and sad to hear Trump will cave to the TROs. Money feeds the demographics.
3g4me #443952 February 12, 2025 4:19 pm 7
There is NO difference between the ‘legals’ and the ‘illegals’ except two damned letters. Magic papers do not change genetics nor culture.
The Infant Phenomenon #443953 February 12, 2025 4:21 pm 4
I’m afraid you don’t grasp what conservatism is. You seem to confuse it with Conservative, Inc. But they are only grifters, who have been schooled–not educated–beyond their innate intellectual capabilities. You can tell that when any one of them mentions “conservative ideology,” which is a true oxymoron, since ideology is as far from conservatism as the east is from the west. Conservatives are grounded in custom, tradition, law, religion, and Nature; that is all. Ideology is utterly foreign to conservatism.
pyrrhus #443811 February 12, 2025 9:39 am 41
Virtually no one in human history, before the 20th century, believed any of the propositions put forth by the “progressives”…e.g.Egalitarianism is disproven every day everywhere, and ditto the notion that women can perform men’s tasks as well as men, and vice versa, etc…Lenin pushed them as a way of undermining established society, but cracked down on feminism when he attained power…The reality is that most politicians don’t have an ideology, they are just grifters, stealing vast amounts of government money for themselves and their followers..What’s being uncovered by DOGE is that the theft of government money is in the trillions, and may account for virtually all of the US debt of $36 trillion…The Pentagon alone is missing $23 trillion…
Wolf Barney #443826 February 12, 2025 9:57 am 12
Yes, politicians are grifters, but they do subscribe to universalist egalitarian ideology. It’s the ruling principle. Stray from it and be destroyed. Steve King is an example.
Ostei Kozelskii #443920 February 12, 2025 2:03 pm 9
Correct. It is entirely possible to be both a grifter and a dyed-in-the-wool, anti-white Leftist. I’d say around 75% of Congressthings are.
Hemid #443913 February 12, 2025 1:23 pm 5
Before I understood that all economics is equally fake and talking about it can only help the bad guys, I used to hypothesize that we’ve been in an unprecedented depression for at least half a century and the entire positive side of US GDP is (to simplify) “Democrats paying their voters,” counted repeatedly.I never expected normal people to find out what I was talking about. Itshouldbe important—a mind-altering revelation. But we have those every day! Then we forget what we’ve seen and resent anyone who points back at it. USAID, still intact, has been made Old News. Knowing its name—like saying “Alinsky” or “cultural Marxism” or “MKUltra” or whatever—is aloser shibboleth. Already!
Jeffrey Zoar #443962 February 12, 2025 5:57 pm 3
As far as anyone who subscribes to normie TV news is concerned, USAID is just another conspiracy theory. But normie TV news was defeated in 2024.
Arshad Ali #443813 February 12, 2025 9:39 am 33
“The Covid vaccine is a great example of the recklessness of medicine. Even a little bit of prudence would have avoided this easily avoidable error.”You’re being way too charitable. This was deliberate criminal behavior, as is so much else in US big business. Likewise for the military-industrial complex, whose dynamic seems to shape foreign policy. But returning to pharma, drugs are often rushed to market based on flawed and rigged testing. Call it recklessness if you will but I say the bosses are aware that there may well be detrimental side effects (assuming the drug even does anything to mitigate the main condition to begin with) but are indifferent to those consequences.
Phineas McSneed #443841 February 12, 2025 10:13 am 13
I disagree with the statement for a different reason. They couldn’t exercise prudence in rolling out the vax because the reason for doing it so quickly had nothing to do with vaccinating people. The purpose was to serve as an off-ramp for lockdowns and masking. They scared everyone so hard and so many independent agents became true believers in the ‘deadly pandemic’ narrative that it was all runaway positive feedback loops. Pretending like the vax was a miracle was the only way they could stop the narrative-driven monster they created.
Hun #443846 February 12, 2025 10:23 am 22
I agree. The vaxx is definitely something that should be attributed to malice. Worse, malice at many levels, including the lowest level – the doctors getting paid based on vaxxing volume. Selling their trusting patients for a few shekels.
Compsci #443888 February 12, 2025 11:47 am 16
The salient point here, I believe, is that doctors have been shown to be human—not gods—and our heretofore faith in them misguided. The majority of physicians, albeit licensed to prescribe and treat, were little better than the average patient to understand contagious disease. This is why I’ve termed them technicians rather than “scientists”. Too many decades of TV medical shows created their god-like persona. Covid scamdemic destroyed such. That’s why JFK jr is needed to restore/reaffirm balance.
Alzaebo #443882 February 12, 2025 11:42 am 7
What made it implacable and inexorable is that it was not a public health response.What it was, was a military response on a deadman switch.That switch, that built-in set of responses, was a corollary to a nuclear deadman switch.Once tripped, a whole bunch of other pre-programmed switches started tripping in a perfectly inhumane bureaucratic procedure.What used to be a minor concern of government, “public health”, has now become a ‘matter of national security’: “biodefense”. Regardless of the origin, by animals or by enemy, the same preset responses were poised. Thanks to international security arrangements, those responses marched worldwide.In order to get around restrictions, DoD partnered with HHS, that each could do what the other couldn’t in America. In Europe, NATO was the central controller. Covid was the test of a fully meshed public-private system.https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/02/09/an-important-conversation-the-covid-dossier/Unstated in the video, this is why WHO was positioned to be the heart of a planetary military-corporate dictatorship, the ultimate design of the UN with its endless web of agreements and arrangements between nations. Like a spider’s web, tug one strand, the whole thing starts vibrating.
The Infant Phenomenon #443976 February 12, 2025 10:05 pm 3
“Thanks to international security arrangements, those responses marched worldwide.”Not sure what you mean by “worldwide,” but the things you describe did not happen in a single Southern state as far as I know. Not GA or SC or FL or AL or AR or TN to my certain knowledge. The governor of GA asked for “two weeks to flatten the curve” after which he said it was all over. The “news” media went berserk, but he ignored them and so did everybody else. The governor of SC just declared everybody in SC to be “essential” and appears on TV to apologize for any “inconvenience” that Carolinians might encounter. The governor of FL’s actions were well-chronicled in the “press” at the time. You should leave wherever you are and move to a state where the people are not treated as subjects by elected officials. I don’t think the Dakotas went crazy over the whole stupid hoax. Many states were free and functioning normally the whole time.
Dutchboy #443898 February 12, 2025 12:06 pm 7
Pharma does its own testing and then gets approval from the bureaucrats who hope to be (or once were) Pharma employees. What could go wrong?
Dutchboy #443884 February 12, 2025 11:43 am 26
Diehard support for Israel does not strike me as prudent.
c matt #443943 February 12, 2025 2:59 pm 2
Depends. It can get you the Presidency. But yes, there is that whole soul for Wales thing.
Alzaebo #443978 February 12, 2025 10:11 pm 0
When you need a lever, get the biggest fulcrum you can.
karl von hungus #443806 February 12, 2025 9:29 am 26
there is an engineering maxim that illustrates the thesis of this post: test, don’t guess so much of modern life is predicated on “guessing”. all the net zero stuff in europe is a perfect example. they have destroyed their economies based on unproven *opinions*. over and over i see statements that are pure speculation presented with certitude, whether it’s in the field of medicine, immigration, etc.
The Wild Geese Howard #443819 February 12, 2025 9:52 am 19
Same goes for all the DIE junk. There is literally zero supporting data. All they do is keep repeating the chants.
Mycale #443828 February 12, 2025 9:58 am 23
If progressivism means that 94% of job hires are DEI, and a mass censorship regime is put into place to stop people from talking about things Democrats don’t like, and perverts like Sam Brinton are in charge, and the green new deal is passed under the guise of “inflation reduction”, and transgenders are showing off their fake breasts on the White House lawn, then I don’t want it, and I suspect most Americans don’t either. The “Biden” administration wasbrutaland basically made Trump’s actions now a necessity.
ProZNoV #443805 February 12, 2025 9:25 am 22
Judge Nap, ultimate libertarian and boomer, is having a fit over recent events by the executive. “He can just have Congress pass bills to change all this. Embarassing. Deluded.
george 1 #443815 February 12, 2025 9:41 am 25
The good Judge is a proponent of the U.S. Constitution. Most of us are in favor of the concepts. He is correct on some of his pronouncements concerning the U.S. Government and this administration. He fails to understand that the system is completely broken and utterly out of control. A revolution must occur to right the ship. Trump is trying to lead a peaceful revolution. I hope is is able to pull it off.
Filthie #443825 February 12, 2025 9:56 am 15
The ol’ bugger is having a meltdown over what is going on with the Gaza Strip right now… and I can’t say I blame him. Macgregor is chitting his pants with rage too.Those two guys make a lot of sense sometimes…
george 1 #443862 February 12, 2025 10:44 am 15
Oh yes. Both of them have the correct picture of Gaza. They know mass murder when they see it.
G Lordon Giddy #443892 February 12, 2025 11:54 am 9
Judge Nap overall does a good job but you are right he thinks in terms of libertarianism.However Trump by being Netanyahoo’s BFF may be stepping in a pile of Dung with the Gaza project that could take his presidency down.The good judge is right about that.
pyrrhus #443816 February 12, 2025 9:42 am 3
Judge Nap really said that? I agree that executive orders which aren’t limited to the Executive branch of government aren’t Constitutional, but within that branch, they are totally legit….
Arthur Metcalf #443850 February 12, 2025 10:24 am 11
I like Judge Nap. Unfortunately, this issue has touched an old nerve in him, which he should let die, which is the battle over the executive versus legislative branches in the US. I’m guessing this goes back to GW Bush and bad feelings from those years for both of them over the “unitary executive” theory pushed by Addington, Yoo, and others.That’s a nice debate to have during certain historical eras when the document over which you’re arguing is still regnant. As it no longer is, it’s a bit like watching old men argue over an instruction manual for a 1980s computer. Of academic and not practical interest.
Hemid #443915 February 12, 2025 1:41 pm 2
Looking for a way to blame the innocent citizenry, rather than the monsters preying on them, for the American government becoming ever less libertarian (except about faggotry), fans of the regime have sitedall legitimate avenues of changein congress/legislation—where movement toward libertarianism has been made institutionally impossible. You voted for this!You peoplere-elect them at a rate of 95%! Stop punching yourself! “We elected Trump to stop the punching.” “Fascism!” Libertarians are evil fucks.
Tom K #443829 February 12, 2025 9:58 am 6
I like it when he squeals. Squeal like a pig, boy!
Ostei Kozelskii #443924 February 12, 2025 2:12 pm 2
Jack Dobson #443857 February 12, 2025 10:36 am 6
Nap is a pervert and a clown. What he presents as reason and analysis always is a pretext for getting some fresh boy meat in some convoluted manner. The scariest thing is to think he actually believes law and the U.S. Constitution are a thing at this point (he’s too smart to believe it, so see the first full sentence).
Compsci #443896 February 12, 2025 12:03 pm 3
Too harsh. What you forget is that the judge rarely—if ever—is pontificating by himself. His guests are, in their own light, quite informative and authoritative. So they are all perverts and clowns?
Jack Dobson #443921 February 12, 2025 2:05 pm 2
To be fair, and I trust you even when I disagree you, I haven’t watched him in a long time, so his guests probably are as you describe. I still cannot stand the guy.
Compsci #443894 February 12, 2025 11:58 am 9
The “good judge” is *not* deluded. He simply has an opinion of the events that differ. One can watch his channel without much problem even on this side of the divide. I advise one do. My retort to the above criticism is that Trump knows exactly what he is doing. EO’s are designed to push the process into the courts as quickly as possible. Congress simply cannot, or will not, act in the timeframe needed to effect change. Trump has been there once before, and was burned.
3g4me #443909 February 12, 2025 1:10 pm 4
Never trust a pederast.
Jeffrey Zoar #443812 February 12, 2025 9:39 am 21
In terms of a voting base, who the pundits call Trumpists or maga are basically the same people who supported Goldwater, and they haven’t changed since that time, aside from some dying and some being born. But still essentially the same group of people. Who were later called the Tea Party. And are now called MAGA. And along the way were deceived by some pols who claimed or pretended to be “conservative.” But remaining the same bloc. At its core, it is nothing new. What is new is successfully electing a president who actually makes what appears to be a sincere effort to rein in the blob.You could say that prudence has emerged as a larger bloc (once we include sympathetic mestizos and the likes of RFKJ and Tulsi) because imprudence has also in recent times. aka Clown World.
Evil Sandmich #443822 February 12, 2025 9:54 am 7
It’s as Z referenced though: Trumpism is a placeholder for what comes afterwards.
TempoNick #443824 February 12, 2025 9:56 am 6
You forgot the Reagan voter who essentially has the same dna.
Alzaebo #443871 February 12, 2025 11:11 am 3
Neither Republican nor Democrat, MAGA is an authentic third party.
The Infant Phenomenon #443977 February 12, 2025 10:07 pm 1
Shrewd observations all.
Peter Piper #443893 February 12, 2025 11:56 am 17
Ten guys on a task: you have-a joker, a slacker, a whiner, a critic, the boss, the company spy/toady, the new kid, a token other, and 2 grimly efficient men who do all the work
Danny #443960 February 12, 2025 5:27 pm 0
Where I used to work we had three efficient “men”. However, it was me and two women – we produced the core of the department output.
RealityRules #443863 February 12, 2025 10:52 am 17
The Oligarchs are already showing cracks in their coalition:https://www.theamericanconservative.com/musk-led-consortium-bids-on-openai/This is going to be wild. What is also interesting about this is the other lines that this division breaks down upon.One of those lines is a stake in the future. Altman, Robois, Karp, Harari … … are all pillow biting fudge packers. So is Thiel. Musk is a heterosexual advocate for eugenic natalism.Luckey is a typical Silicon Valley guy talking both sides of his mouth. This article is interesting and revealing. (https://www.tabletmag.com/feature/american-vulcan-palmer-luckey-anduril) He talks all about the essential well-being of one country that isn’t his and then says he is sacrifices his health and longevity for his company. He also never makes a case for how he is doing what he is doing is creating stability. I wish he would talk about using the technology for the operational security of our border. It is so odd that all of these guys in the America First coalition never really advocate for the best interest of Americans. I really want to admire Luckey and back him. But, he makes it impossible. This is just classic Silicon Valley California tech mindset.Interesting that his sister is married to Matt Gaetz.Andreesen? He is a bot. Not sure if he aligns anywhere or will just feed on whichever carcass comes out of the fray.There are other lines of division that I am sure people here are aware of. In any case, the war over who will control AI and defense technology and contracting is underway. Altman’s response is very interesting.In any case, the war in the clouds looks like it will become more transparent during the Trump administration.As for our interest, they either tax remittances and ramp up mass deportation or this is the final betrayal.
3g4me #443912 February 12, 2025 1:22 pm 9
The tech guysreally are a strange bunch. As you note, a bunch of pederast soiboys, a Jew married to a Han, and a guy who wants to live on Mars and has an admittedly cute son he names ‘X’ with a woman who hates the word mother (“X says Claire, but he doesn’t say ‘mama’… like, maybe he can sense my distaste for the word ‘mother.’).
rasqball #443916 February 12, 2025 1:45 pm 3
You have no ideaJust how strange a “bunch” that is:(Use ’em or lose ’em.)
ArthurinCali #443834 February 12, 2025 10:02 am 17
One of the greatest things to happen by Trump entering politics was how it revealed so many figures on the faux-Right. Pretenders outing themselves across the board as merely playing their roles on the stage of Conservative Inc. For many, this was an epiphany moment realizing a lot of these folks were charlatans selling a version of Conservative Coca-Cola and didn’t want anything to actually get better or change.
Jack Dobson #443856 February 12, 2025 10:34 am 0
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Arthur Metcalf #443859 February 12, 2025 10:39 am 5
I disagree. He actually believed that he was politically viable as a Supreme Court nominee during Trump’s first term, and was pissed that he never made any of the lists. He didn’t expect to be named, but he wanted to be included in the pantheon for posterity.He certainlywouldbe a great SC judge, but your comment is about him being “too smart to believe” something, and I have good reason to believe that no, sometimes, Judge Nap is not as smart or in tune as he thinks. If he was smart and experienced in that world, he’d know (as Doug MacGregor knew last summer when asked by Judge Nap if he’d serve as SecDef and laughed at the idea he’d even beconsidered) that people like him do not get appointed to those positions, ever.
Jack Dobson #443861 February 12, 2025 10:44 am 5
“Smart” may have been incorrect. Substitute “naive.” And to the extent it even matters at this point, we need radical justices rather than people who think the Constitution can be ghost danced back to reality, as if that even would be a good thing. Nap would have been a terrible justice on that score alone.
ray #443832 February 12, 2025 10:00 am 16
Prudence, yes.‘the intense belief that they are commanded by history or history’s God to impose this ideology on the people of the world’They are holy apostles, caretakers, guardians of the Prog Precepts constituting their religion, typically since youth — Glory Years for the Booms and Xers that they thirst to re-live. They lack the inner fortitude to change spiritually and politically as they mature physically.‘In fairness, it is even more difficult for the old school lefties, because for them, politics defines their life’Yep. They replace God with their own wills, essentially.I knew these folks in the Eighties, while living and working in San Francisco. They attend the rallies and marches, meet on Saturday mornings for Political Affinity Group, read the N.Y. Times, and seek to judge and convert others with verbal cueing in all environments.Always rebelling and subsuming the truth to ideo-political expedience, their spirit is luciferian, opposing the Christian ideal where Christ personifies Truth and followers seek likewise.‘And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.‘And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:‘That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.’ (2 Thess. 2: 10-12)What we’re witnessing in our nations is this strong delusion, that was imposed en masse only AFTER rejection of truth and righteous living.
Jack Dobson #443844 February 12, 2025 10:19 am 4
Truth is no impediment at all for them, to the degree they think it exists or matters. In the American context, this weird strain of progressivism has been with it since its start. The grotesque and massive theft now exposed also always was there.
Compsci #443890 February 12, 2025 11:52 am 4
This brings to mind a sage insight from Z-man some time ago. Something to the effect that all political struggle we discuss boils down to “getting rid of the crazies” among us. I have yet to observe anything to contradict that insight. As has been said, “…all the rest is commentary…”.
Ostei Kozelskii #443923 February 12, 2025 2:09 pm 4
Alas, the graveyards are far too small to house all the crazies. Perhaps a Muskmobile could whisk them to the moon for sanitary deposit.
Jack Dobson #443939 February 12, 2025 2:47 pm 4
Rocket test meat puppets. Yes, the time has come. The dummies previously used in cars were not biodegradable, which may help with the sale.
Ride-By Shooter #443878 February 12, 2025 11:31 am -4
They [progs] replace God with their own wills, essentiallyNotice what they have in common with you. They have retained your great faith in the primacy of willpower over the law and order of existence. Like you they are also egoists. Both you and the progs belong to a school of crude, barbarous primitivism. Your quarrel with them is about in whom the power resides, not about whether not egoism and willpowerism are wrong.their spirit is luciferian, opposing the Christian ideal where Christ personifies TruthJesus failed to satisfy important requirements expected of Israel’s maschiach. After the national narcissist was rejected by his betters, he lapsed into despair about what to do with his misguided, unproductive life. So he concocted a plan to commit suicide with help and set that plan into motion. These are a few of many truths which you must accept to be set free from your frustration and your rage.
Frank Zip #443891 February 12, 2025 11:53 am 12
And how exactly does prudence play into Open AI and Trump’s apparent acquiescence to Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel, Zuckerberg, et al? Prudence is the last thing these tycoons of our wonderful futuristic world want while they build their god machines.
Ostei Kozelskii #443879 February 12, 2025 11:32 am 12
I would argue Leftism, since the second half of the 60s, didn’t become unhinged after the “necessities” of the Cold War fell into desuetude. It was always unhinged. However, with the defeat of global communism, conservatism–for what it was worth–lost itsraisond’etre. Conservatives wept because they had no worlds left to conquer. They felt they had no purpose. And rather than honestly appraise the postmodern Left, recognize it for the evil it was, and combat it just as vigorously as they did the commies, they surreptitiously joined hands with the Leftists and dug their greasy hamfists into the massive grift American FedGov became. Greed supplanted vanquishing communism in their morbid hearts. This was the birth of the uniparty Trump is attempting to shatter.
Boris #443908 February 12, 2025 1:08 pm 15
Ostei – I said this before here and so I’ll say it again: the West LOST the Cold War and the Left, Commies, Progressives, whatever you want to call them, won and captured the Anglosphere and W Europe and have been moving steadily eastward recapturing most of the former CW communist countries to where they are now on the doorstep of their former crown jewel, Russia. I would argue (again) that the communists lost Russia, but won the most of the world, and it gnaws on them to no end that they lost Russia, which explains the vehement hatred of everything Russia that we now see in the so-called democratic West. And unfortunately I don’t see it stopping even with Trump. He is only a speed bump on their relentless road to Moscow and beyond (looking at you, China).
Ostei Kozelskii #443930 February 12, 2025 2:26 pm 7
Today’s Leftist elites are not Das Kapital-quoting Marxists. They are–although most of them don’t understand quite how–the intellectual descendants of Foucault, Derrida, Lyotard, Barthes, etc. What happened was that a notionally liberal empire–the USA–defeated a communist one–the USSR. Once this process was complete, the USA abandoned its notional liberalism and became an unhinged, postmodern Leftist polity. That is where we currently stand, although Trump is attempting to restore sanity and in the process chuck the pomo elites onto history’s slag-heap.
c matt #443938 February 12, 2025 2:44 pm 3
Seems to me China is closer to a Chinese form of National Socialism than it is to communism right now.
Compsci #443965 February 12, 2025 6:08 pm 3
Yep, China tossed Marxism out after Mao. To be rich is glorious as they say. The opposite side of the coin is “fuck with the economy beyond set party boundaries and we shoot you in the head.”
G Lordon Giddy #443885 February 12, 2025 11:44 am 11
I am not sure it was very prudent of Trump to tell the world that he was just going to ” take ” Gaza and plant the American empire there?I see this as a possible fiasco on top of fiasco’s already created by GAE.Not so sure Trump is going to represent prudence in the end? The jury is still out for me.
Zulu Juliet #443904 February 12, 2025 12:36 pm 4
Mr. Giddy, I agree. Trump and Prudent don’t work in word association. Trump’s Mouth and Prudent are antonyms. How ever, his actions and direction, are indeed prudent and necessary.
Zulu Juliet #443902 February 12, 2025 12:18 pm 10
One must wonder if career Republican seat warmers (that’s you, Susan Collins) ever had the thought “Is this good for the country and it the people?”, rather than “Is this good for me?” One need not wonder about the Democrats. For them it’s all about the money or the mad religious beliefs. No one protesting Trump out of prudent concern for the future of the Republic; All the protests are about money and his heresies against the degenerate public religion.
Alzaebo #443897 February 12, 2025 12:05 pm 10
The thing about modern philosophies, whether govermental or corporate, is that they all seem to be based on first order thinking only.This is purely Mercantilist thinking. The only thought is the quick hit, the immediate profit, like Mob gangsters robbing diamond stores in Vegas.No thought as to the future, the greater public, or the quality of life down the road.The immediate quick return, even if for only a short run, is all that matters.I blame bureaucratic corporatism, as limited liablility corporations can morph, and change, moving from one product to another, a Blob by any other name.What used to be were institutions that did one thing only, and had a culture of striving to to do it well. For instance, a few years ago the last bell-maker in Britain closed its doors after 350 years.All the arcane knowledge and traditions of casting bells, gone; what they did not do, was switch to making fancy coffees, hair care products, or sustainable and equitable foreign aid programs like African well pumps and Ukrainian artillery shells.
ChiefIlliniwek #443947 February 12, 2025 3:41 pm 9
Just read this today. Devex is noticing the Trump effect! https://www.devex.com/news/usaid-s-largest-partners-report-furloughs-for-thousands-of-staff-109325 Maybe someday the suburbs of DC will be bulldozed and replaced with tobacco fields??
Bartleby the Scrivner #443867 February 12, 2025 11:06 am 8
In the 11th paragraph of this piece, Z compares desiring the “known”, instead of the “unknown”. Hence prudence. It reminds me of the scene in “Wall Street”, where Bud Fox asks Gordon Gecko why he has to break up his dads airline. His reply; “Because it’s breakable!” They do their insane actions because they can.
Jack Dobson #443836 February 12, 2025 10:03 am 8
European conservatism always meant “preservation.” America’s version is a meaningless checklist of things that do not even consider preservation to be necessarily a good thing; the term has become marketing for policies that are found on Column B of today’s menu; today’s Column A will be tomorrow’s Column B, to borrow from Dabney.In a sense, the non-ideological Trump may be America’s first conservative president save possibly Coolidge. So when we hiss “what is there left to conserve?” it is aimed more at him than to the shadow monkeys of Con, Inc., who seek not to preserve anything. This is seen particularly in attitudes toward demographics and trade. There are some older, proper English gentlemen who do a somewhat anodyne podcast, Traditional Britain Group. They routinely criticize how trade is undermining the UK’s economy and how The Great Replacement is destroying the fabric of their country. Of course, they are labeled “Far Right” or “Radical Conservative” and have been under MI5 surveillance for years, likely at the direction of the United States. These harmless and thoughtful but allegedly dangerous men espouse traditional European conservatism, and the GAE seeks to prevent that in its closest vassal state.I will go out on a limb here: Progressivism is dying, and Con, Inc., is dead even now and is a zombie. Today’s American conservatism, or prudentialism as you label it, is preserving wreckage for the most part, and maybe scaling it back around the margins, and that’s the best outcome available within the degraded and debased political system. It isn’t what we need but it is what we have for now.
Dutchboy #443900 February 12, 2025 12:13 pm 3
The old European conservatism was “Throne and Altar” conservatism. We don’t have kings and we don’t have an established Church, so we have nothing to conserve in the old European sense.
Jack Dobson #443922 February 12, 2025 2:06 pm 3
We have a people and a nation.
c matt #443940 February 12, 2025 2:50 pm 6
A people and a nation need a king and Church to survive. Otherwise, it devolves into what we have now: A strip mall with nukes.
Ostei Kozelskii #443926 February 12, 2025 2:19 pm 5
But we did have a unitary European culture. Alas, no more.
Ronehjr #443954 February 12, 2025 4:29 pm 7
Trump has unqualifiedly supported Israel’s and America’s ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. How is that in any way prudent?
Compsci #443964 February 12, 2025 6:03 pm 2
Problem is, so has every other Arab country. The Palestinians have proven themselves unwelcome guests even with fellow Arabs.
BigJimSportCamper #443975 February 12, 2025 9:56 pm 5
The Jews have proven themselves unwelcome squatters.
Alzaebo #443980 February 12, 2025 10:50 pm 2
No tears still for the Sudentenland Germans.Palestinian is what one calls a person who was born and lives in the Palestine region, as that area used to be known. It was named, but not a state, just like Ukraine was not a country until 1991. (Or Nazareth was not a town, for that matter.) ‘Palestinians’ are a mixture of legacy population, related to the Jordanians across the river, and simply rebel Arabs under someone else’s rule (Ottoman, Hashemite, British, or Israeli.)
Ketchup-stained Griller #443887 February 12, 2025 11:47 am 5
Ah Ah. Wouldn’t be prudent.
Ostei Kozelskii #443945 February 12, 2025 3:32 pm 3
Alzaebo #443875 February 12, 2025 11:23 am 5
To be charitable, let us take some credit. “…the radicalism at the heart of progressivism.” Yessir, you bet, since the beginning: in the New Lands, we gave every idea a full and fair trial, because the good old ways had problems of their own. You have to at least give us that. We couldn’t always foresee the results because we hadn’t tried a lot of this stuff before. White people were always the world’s explorers. I blame us for nothing but boldness (well, and a bit of gullibility, like listening to…)
Thomas Mcleod #443845 February 12, 2025 10:22 am 5
My old man calls MAGA the revenge of the John Birch Society. I don’t really know if he’s serious.
c matt #443936 February 12, 2025 2:41 pm 5
Keep seeing a meme going around about “do you know someone you thought was crazy but now deserves an apology” – JBS should probably be on it, along with Ron Paul.
Gauss #443903 February 12, 2025 12:30 pm 4
Egalitarianism, universalism, and the blank slate are the three legs of this ideological stool. It’s more like the blank slate is the root from which egalitarianism and universalism spring. Pull that out of the ground and the rest will wither and die.
Marko #443808 February 12, 2025 9:31 am 4
I think this is an excellent summation of the new political order. “Cloud People vs Dirt People”, “Anywheres vs Somewheres”, “Liberals vs Anti-Liberals” doesn’t quite work…but yes, it is Prudentialism (and skepticism) vs. those who either don’t question orthodoxy or are trying to exploit it.
Mike Tre #443868 February 12, 2025 11:06 am 3
Interesting that today’s Zman article speaks of prudence, while today’s Sailer article speaks of a list of wild fringe movements he associates with the right: “One increasing possibility appears to be that newly self-confident right-wingers are getting into various kinds of New Age woo-woo, the occult, gnosticism, RFK Jr. junk science, paganism, Indian esotericism, Chinese numerology, health food fads, etc.”
thezman #443873 February 12, 2025 11:17 am 21
Sailer is a bit of a museum piece. His firmware is version locked to thirty years ago.
Ostei Kozelskii #443931 February 12, 2025 2:30 pm 9
Sailer is the classic example of what you described in your article–a puppet of the Left who puts up Potemkin opposition to the Left in order to gull the rubes into believing they have representation in the Power Structure. If you’ve got a bit more gray matter than the average barnyard animal, you can see right through the shyster.
Hemid #443925 February 12, 2025 2:14 pm 7
When a man’s mind sits unused it becomes womanly, occupied with gossip and status—defensive and inoffensive. People say Sailer’s late weakness is because he’s finally been let in the club or paid off or whatever, but that wouldn’t explain much. I suspect he’s developed some age-related hormonal problem. Appearing to have sold out is a symptom—along with outbursts of senile rage. Remember, the most reliable way to elicit one, for years, was to claim (before media permission was granted) thatBidenis senile. He saw himself there.And yet— He’s been very prideful lately, especially that the fans who show up at his book events are younger than he’d have predicted. He doesn’t model the thoughts of his missing peers, which might be something like “We’re embarrassed” or “Looking at you is like watching ourselves die.” We have nothoughts.We’ve succumbed to low-class conspiratorial madness and he’s just too smart andin—young and vigorous!—for us to face without shame.It’s a hell of a thing.
c matt #443928 February 12, 2025 2:20 pm 7
Health food fads – yes, because being unable to pronounce the 15 ingredients in your peanut butter is the American way, dammit!
Lavrov #443807 February 12, 2025 9:31 am 3
Robot history books will call it Zeemanism.
Danny #443955 February 12, 2025 4:47 pm 2
I just had a flashback to Blazing Saddles – the executioner at the gallows with the speech impediment. “Welcome to hanging house – not to worry everyone is equal in my eye.”
TomA #443941 February 12, 2025 2:50 pm 2
Return to prudence is Whitepilling and long overdue. How can each of us contribute to the momentum of this movement? It’s not enough to define the solution, there must also be implementation. And we should not rely solely on Trump and his team to pull the cart. Can there be a grassroots or crowdsourced tangible contribution? And if so, what?
Paintersforms #443914 February 12, 2025 1:34 pm 2
I’m reminded of that book about the Scots. Maybe the author is just a master storyteller, idk.I don’t think Enlightenment is bad, but add Calvinism to it, and you get Progress! Maybe Calvin has been our problem all along. Z wrote about it not long ago.Who needs God if everything is predestined? If everything is predestined, why question or doubt— oneself above all? If God lets you down, who needs God? Aren’t you on your own, aren’t you forced to do God’s work?If modernity is, in some deep sense, the loss of religion, maybe we came to it via success, while the Jews came to it long before us, via failure.Prudence is a healthy expression of self-doubt. We’ve failed, they’ve succeeded. Things come full circle?Just throwing it out there.
The Infant Phenomenon #443979 February 12, 2025 10:36 pm 1
I’m no Calvinist, but what you have “just thrown out there” is certainly not Calvinism or even predestination.
Paintersforms #443981 February 13, 2025 5:56 am 1
Ok, I’m not either. Maybe I don’t understand it. But I do wonder about the relationship with God, whether He’s a hardliner or absent, and what that does to a person’s worldview. Either way, I imagine one feels compelled to do His work for Him. I can see that becoming playing God over time. And maybe more moderate types becoming deists.
Jack Boniface #443866 February 12, 2025 11:04 am 1
Alexander Vindman’s lies led to Trump’s first impeachment. He’s the epitome of how the neocons think now. He has a new book out in two weeks: “The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed UkraineHardcover.” Description: He “argues that America’s mistakes in Eastern Europe result from policymakers’ fixation on immediate, short-term problem-solving and misplaced hopes and fears. He proposes a new long-term, values-based approach that insists on the fundamentals of liberal democracy and a rules-based world order.”
Bartleby the Scrivner #443870 February 12, 2025 11:08 am 18
That guys head needs to be introduced to a 2×4.
Ostei Kozelskii #443934 February 12, 2025 2:34 pm 4
Yep. That’s the kind of world order I can get behind.
Jack Dobson #443872 February 12, 2025 11:12 am 12
Vinman and that ilk have become reactionaries and that type of nonsense is not coming back. Older British friends back in the day told me that there were people still thinking their empire would be restored as late as the Seventies. That’s sort of going on here.
Jeffrey Zoar #443899 February 12, 2025 12:12 pm 5
As a kid I had the distinct impression that it was that kind of attitude driving their Falklands response
Fremde Heers Ost #443911 February 12, 2025 1:11 pm 13
Your impression was a Leftist one- the imperialist English who only act from evil motives, rather than a bunch of people protecting land held by their ethnic group. It’s normal behavior to protect your people and land but it’s white people so… British people have been living on that island longer than Argentina or the US have existed. Also the annoying hypocrisy of Spanish people living in the Americas whining about British colonialism on an island that had no original inhabitants.
Ostei Kozelskii #443935 February 12, 2025 2:36 pm 3
There were Russian intellectuals in the late 19th and early 20th centuries who genuinely feared the Mongols would recrudesce and slap a second Tatar yoke on therodina.
karl von hungus #443983 February 13, 2025 8:51 am 0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nMyNM1u-7FE?feature=share
Ride-By Shooter #443869 February 12, 2025 11:07 am 0
To make America great again, we must sweep away progressivism and its reckless implementations.No one can sweep away progressivism and imprudence without repudiating two of the most important founding principles of the USA. These two are egalitarianism (announced in the DoI) and popular government (amplified greatly in the authority clause of the Con). Such repudiation would amount to repudiating the USA’s past, fast developing greatness, too, which is fine. That greatness was experienced on a road leading to extinction for the people in whose names the USA was imposed by Freemasonish fools. Devotion to that road has also nearly gotten much of the world roasted in a nuclear war.Now, we can haveeitherthe USA and her strange road or a consistent, untainted prudence, but we canneverhave both. The situation is Either-Or, like the name of the second part ofAtlas Shrugged.
Vegetius #443839 February 12, 2025 10:11 am 0
Trump as the avatar of prudence? This should have been saved for 4/1.
Ride-By Shooter #443855 February 12, 2025 10:34 am 2
Politics is paradox.
Ostei Kozelskii #443933 February 12, 2025 2:32 pm 6
Yes. Once you get past Trump’s bluster and bombast, you can see that prudence is a key component of his character.
Compsci #443966 February 12, 2025 6:15 pm 6
Trump likes to “troll”. Problem is that too many people take him at his word like he’s divinely powerful. He’s just testing the waters and amusing himself. It’s a bit less here, because most commenting have a high level of intelligence. But boy, the Lefties out there…
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Tom K #443827 February 12, 2025 9:57 am -6
There was that song by the Beatles, “Dear Prudence” by, you guessed it, John Lennon, who also wrote “Imagine.” It’s all buttercups and unicorn farts. Throw Prudence out the window it’s so fuddy-duddy.
Otto #443858 February 12, 2025 10:38 am 4
There’s a real story to that song which if you knew you would understand you have it exactly backwards. He’s singing to someone, “Prudence”, to come out into the real world.Oops.
Tom K #443865 February 12, 2025 10:57 am 0
Um yes, that. It’s John Lennon, lol. You’re missing the meta content. But in the end, it’s just a song so whatever.


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