Artificial Eternity

One of the clarifying things about Trump’s second term is that we are seeing the reality of politics on display. He made deals for support and right away he is making good on those deals. One of those deals was with Silicon Valley with regards to Artificial Intelligence, which they think is the next revolution. Trump is pledging billions for something like a Manhattan Project to make AI real. Here is Sam Altman explaining why this is the greatest thing ever.

Lost in most of the AI debate is something Altman said in that clip, “Immortality is not too far ahead.” That is an interesting selling point, as it assumes that everyone wants to live forever, but it is not the first time this has come up with the tech bros. Once Silicon Valley was awash in billions, they started investing some of it in life extension technology with the hope of conquering death. Ray Kurzweil has made a nice living selling life-extension ideas to the tech bros.

It is fair to say that conquering death has been an obsession with Silicon Valley since the great boom of the 1990’s started. Perhaps there is some natural link between extending human ability through technology and extending life with it. On the one hand, solving the complex mathematical puzzles that put the stock of human knowledge at your fingertips leads to hubris. On the other hand, that same hubris can easily lead to a view of life as nothing more than complex math puzzles.

Much of what lies behind the synopticon that Silicon Valley has rolled out over the last decades is the assumption that life is not terribly complicated because humans are relatively simple in their actions. Facebook and Google easily roll up our lives into easy-to-use data sets, so marketers can nudge us into buying their products. The fact that this strategy does not work is ignored. They have come to believe that the vast network of machines is controlling human behavior.

That aside, conquering death is not new to this age. Christianity is all about conquering death and living forever in bliss. That is the main point of Christianity, at least from the marketing point of view. If you live an ethical life, when you die and your life is put in the scales, you will gain access to heaven, which is everlasting life. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”

The Christians were not the first to think this way. In fact, it was most likely borrowed from Zoroastrianism, which held that heaven was one option for your soul once it left your body and crossed Bridge of Judgment. Of course, the concept of reincarnation has been with us since forever probably. The soul reentering the material world in the body of another human or as another species is a form of conquering death. The soul is eternal, so you never truly die.

In folk religions without a complex system of ethics tied to their deity, conquering death was still an important topic. The ancient heroes fought to be remembered after they had fallen in battle. Valhalla, which was reworked by early Christians into a warrior heaven, was originally just a resting place for warriors, until they poured out to fight alongside Odin against the jötnar during Ragnarök. Conquering death was to live so you could take part in the final scene of existence.

Simply being remembered was a form of conquering death. Greek mythology is a great example of this. To be remembered was the point of life. The great heroes of the long-forgotten past are proof that a man can outlive his people. Troy, for example, was long gone by the time of Homer, but the men of Troy and those who defeated them, lived on long after Troy was forgotten. Our modern cemeteries still reflect this ancient urge to be remembered and thus conquer death.

in the modern age, men who aspire to greatness are not satisfied with having their memory carved on a rock. They will not blink their last blink with the knowledge that they will live forever at the foot of God. Both require a connection to a people who will maintain the rock or pray for your soul. Instead, they hope the machines with which they spend so much of their lives will save them from rotting away in a field or being incinerated in a crematorium.

Despite their brilliance, they not only think little about their obsession with immortality, but they never wonder if it is what they want. To this point, people have understood that living even a very long time comes with punishments. Our fiction is full of examples of men who lived too long. Even in good health, their psyche suffers from having lived beyond the natural limit. We have always had a sense that who we are is tied to the brevity of our time on this world.

Artificial Intelligence may help mitigate diseases like cancer, but at this stage it is mostly used for creating clever memes. The walls that contain AI right now, the limits of human knowledge, will probably prove impenetrable. It will never be able to go beyond what we know but merely be faster at accessing and applying it. That will have its uses but will fall far short of the robot future. Until we unriddle what makes human consciousness possible, AI will remain a fantasy.

Nature, of nature’s God, has a sense of humor, so the most likely result of AI is better ways to kill one another. We already see that with the war in Ukraine where AI powered drones hunt for men and equipment. This is another thing the present quest for eternal life shares with the past quests. The end result will inevitably require death, as without death, life is not possible. Living is not merely the absence of death but the struggle against death. Artificial Intelligence cannot do that for us.


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Abelard Lindsey #440624 January 23, 2025 9:59 am 51
No. The only “value” I see coming from AI is increased surveillance and ability to be spied on.
george 1 #440706 January 23, 2025 12:09 pm 13
Agreed. AI will probably become the latest Tower of Babel.
Eloi #440720 January 23, 2025 12:47 pm 13
The value of LLM is to sift through mountains of information. You can already imagine how the metadata gathered by the intel agencies will be sifted and sorted by LLMs – all the better to monitor you with, my dear.
Hemid #440756 January 23, 2025 2:08 pm 3
And censorship.“AI” already ruined the internet by filling it with lies, dead ends, and targeted time-wasting. Even 4chan is mostly chatbot training threads now. Social media is largely the waste they produce. What’s left that’s real? If you’re not a shill and you’re not banned, you’re training just your replacement. (Hello, Eglin!)Notably, the “built for BBC” and “without sounding mad” spammers on 4chan are still real people, Israelis and Indians. Chatbots would be better at it—they’d never get enraged by trolls and reveal themselves, for example—and white Americans would do the job better by not sounding weird, knowing idiomatic English, and not being narcissistic. But they aren’t considered fit for the job for some reason, maybe because cultivating careers inpropaganda against usfor our greatest ally and our finest immigrants is more important than the work itself.Know anything about Fiji? I know one thing. It once was Fiji. Now it’s asite of ethnic conflictbetween the Fijians (“ethnic Fijians,” they’re called now) and the “Indo-Fijians” the British sent there to replace them. So it’s like 4chan. There was a native Fijian coup in reaction/rejection, but it came too late and failed. So that’s the model—for the world.I’ve seen some of our guys who think they’re clever asking our overlords, “Why do you need all these H1-Bs if AI is going to replace them almost immediately?” Thinking they found agotcha, they don’t consider the answer.
Alzaebo #440759 January 23, 2025 2:17 pm 10
Howard Luttnick, Trump’s right-hand man, has already spoken gleefully of grabbing just one percent of the rights to the United States’ natural assets, which he estimates at some 500 trillion dollars.Larry Ellison has chimed in to say he wants to “cure cancer” with tailored mRNA produced in 48 hours. In other words, he’s the preview to the movie “I Am Legend”, about the zombie plague.All of Elon Musk’s projects are actually tied into one vision: an American flag on Mars.He’s getting the rich to finance his vision.Sam Altman and Peter Thiel see a means to force us into a social mold of their design. No doubt to prevent another Holocaust of the gays and nonwhites.Larry Fink, with his Alladin AI, dreams of an ordered economy…with his people doing the ordering. A sort of Rollerball ‘7 Corporations rule the world’.Of course, this is the benevolent dictatorship under the Mosiach of their tribe, ending strife, want, worry, and war, and making Earth a garden.They promised you life eternal in a paradise, and by gum, they’ll show those pesky Aryans who’sreallythe better man!
Lakelander #440763 January 23, 2025 2:30 pm 13
Bingo! As a Luddite, I can’t stand all these AI delusions. Too many ill-gotten gains to be made by the shysters hyping it like that revolting faggot Sam Altman. If they actually wanted people to buy in to all this AI nonsense, at least go with the angle that AI can be used to reduce/eliminate immigration/H1b.
anon #440991 January 24, 2025 7:14 pm 2
That was a thought that passed through my mind when the furor over the H1B visas arose. They could have sold the $500 billion Investment in AI as a way get rid of the foreigners. One white man with one AI machine can do the work of a 100 pajeets, etc would have the base on their feet chanting “USA, USA, USA”. In the mean time, we need those damned pajeets to develop the AI. Win-Win.
miforest #440849 January 23, 2025 6:31 pm 0
This! and it will devise truly awful tortures for “wrong think”
Barnard #440621 January 23, 2025 9:53 am 50
My grandfather lived to 97 and thought he had lived too long. His last two years were not pleasant ones to say the least. I have never read anything from these people on how to reverse aging joints. What good is curing cancer if you are stuck in a wheelchair at 125 because all your joints are worn out and you can’t handle anymore replacement surgeries?
The Wild Geese Howard #440629 January 23, 2025 10:03 am 29
“The Golden Years,” of retirement are one of the biggest lies in GAE culture. That is because, for most people, there is a huge range of activities that are no longer physically enjoyable, or even possible when they hit 65+ years of age.
Jack Dobson #440636 January 23, 2025 10:13 am 17
The purpose of the lie in part was to encourage hard work and productivity with the incentive of enjoyment afterwards. Given the change of circumstances, you have to wonder what myth follows.Arbeit macht frei…and?
Paintersforms #440644 January 23, 2025 10:26 am 23
Lost in looking to the next life, trying to be an angel, is the fact that discipline makes you a human being in the meantime. Hedonism makes one an animal, and after the fun is over, the animal is back to scraping out an existence. At the other extreme is the self-styled best living the good life thanks to slave labor, but that’s a different matter. In all things, seek the golden mean!
Trek #440887 January 24, 2025 1:51 am 0
No more hard work for me, thank you very much. I will sit and watch my robots work on my nice little future ranch. Everyone should have one. That’s why we need Greenland and Canada.
Wolf Barney #440668 January 23, 2025 11:08 am 5
In the field of watercolor painting, there was a legendary teacher, Edgar Whitney, who taught until he was 94. One of his many aphorisms: “The ignominy of age is decrepitude–the ignominy of youth is ignorance. If you prefer agility and ignorance to decrepitude and wisdom you sentence yourself to misery half your life.”
Tom K #440670 January 23, 2025 11:11 am 23
Anyone noticed that one of the things that’s disappeared are thoseSpending Our Children’s InheritanceGreatest Generation bumper stickers? Good riddance. That shit won’t fly anymore. I always hated that message. The sentiment still persists though, just not so overt. Let the tech bros have their fantasies, it will all come to nothing.
Tom K #440674 January 23, 2025 11:24 am 26
Haha. Or maybe it was the Silents. I can’t keep up with all these different generations. That’s just a lot of divisive bullshit. There were no “generations” in the current sense until I was well into my twenties. Only wipipo are susceptible to this shuck and jive.
Piffle #440688 January 23, 2025 11:43 am -2
This statement makes me think you’re either early Gen X or a Boomer. There was a song called “My Generation” a hit from the Who in 1965. Jesus talks about generations. The Chinese talk about generations.Ironically, “This is divisive BS and generations don’t exist anyway” is about the self talk of a couple of generations.
Tom K #440726 January 23, 2025 1:00 pm 1
You blatantly misrepresented what I wrote. The words are right there, man.
Piffle #440766 January 23, 2025 2:40 pm 0
I re-read what you wrote. I did not mean to misrepresent what you said.
Tom K #440844 January 23, 2025 6:07 pm 1
No problem. What I was referring to was this theory of 4 generations completing a cycle and the naming of generations as if these were rigid categories.
Dutchboy #440779 January 23, 2025 3:04 pm 3
The term generation as used in the Bible often refers not to an age cohort but to a race of people descended from a common ancestor or having a particular cultural characteristic (e.g., the Scribes and Pharisees as a wicked generation).
Piffle #440805 January 23, 2025 4:16 pm 0
If true, that would make the word “generation” a gross mistranslation. We would need the word “nation” in English.The full sentence from Jesus in Matthew 16 is “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah”Does substituting “nation” in Matthew 16 make sense, particularly in context? Is the whole nation through time wicked and adulterous? Or is Jesus referring to the people standing in front of him, who yes were also Sadducees/Pharisees?
Dutchboy #440861 January 23, 2025 7:30 pm -1
The NT is an English translation of a Greek translation of an Aramaic or Hebrew original. Precise meanings sometimes are elusive and depend on context. From what I have read, the term generation is one of the words depending on context and scholars note that the context of the English word generation is sometimes indicative of the meaning I suggested (particularly in the OT, which can be translated directly from Hebrew without intermediary languages). An NT example is Christ’s comment that“this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” [the end times]Mt 24:34. Clearly this refers to a future group of people, not that of his lifetime.
Piffle #440862 January 23, 2025 7:49 pm 0
“Precise meanings sometimes are elusive and depend on context. “We come back then to needing a different English word, consistently modifying an English word, or avoiding a translation altogether. (The last happens all the time in English.) The approach offered strikes me an attempt to redefine a word. We have a word that means springing from one set of ancestors, which is a nation. Unfortunately the question of if the word “nation” made any sense in that passage was left unaddressed.“his generation will not pass away until all these things take place” [the end times]”The prophecy in Matthew 24 intertwines the end times together with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. By outside Biblical accounts, the destruction in 70AD was devastating. Indeed no stone was left unturned. The generation did not pass away before they heard of all those things and lived to see what would have seemed like the end of their world. In other words, Jesus said it and it happened.
Justinian #441262 January 28, 2025 1:05 am 0
The NT is not translated from Hebrew to Greek .The original NT is written in Greek language .You do not know even that ??
The Infant Pheonomenon #440686 January 23, 2025 11:41 am 2
Just ask Icarus.
Steve #440733 January 23, 2025 1:32 pm 0
I hadn’t heard that phrase IRL in ages. My grandfather (b. 1900) said it a lot, as did my great grandpa. Then I heard a variant on it just yesterday. My Zoomer kids texted me and suggested we take my bride out for a belated birthday dinner. The text started something like, “Hey, Dad, let’s go out and spend our inheritance.”
The Infant Pheonomenon #440685 January 23, 2025 11:38 am 17
Youth is wasted on the young.
Paintersforms #440729 January 23, 2025 1:25 pm 6
Wasted youth isn’t such a bad thing if you learn from it, and if you aren’t completely bailed out. A lot of shallowness and naivety in society on account of the, well, conservative and successful people imo. Too much tolerance of the ne’er-do-wells, also. Being that lessons can’t seem to be passed down, a kick in the pants for everybody might be a good thing.
fakeemail #440737 January 23, 2025 1:38 pm 10
aint that the truth, tho? It doesn’t help that society confuses and enstupifies young people further so that most don’t get their shit together till their 30s. There was a book that argued that the 20s were the decisive decade in someone’s life in terms of dictating lifetime accomplishment and that is quite right. Unfortunately, most people in their 20s, even bright people, DON’T KNOW SHIT!
Piffle #440821 January 23, 2025 4:51 pm 0
Age 30 is the year of adulthood, even in ye olde days.
fakeemail #440736 January 23, 2025 1:35 pm 10
Also there is the mental change. For an older person even in good health, the idea of sitting on airplane can be revolting while a young person doesn’t really care.
Jeffrey Zoar #440635 January 23, 2025 10:09 am 28
One of my grandmothers, who lived to be 96, had a health crisis in her 80s which required hospitalization. After which, her mind went, and she was without it for her final decade. I’ve always had the idea that medical science extended the life of her body beyond what it otherwise would have been, but was unable to do so for her mind.
The Infant Pheonomenon #440690 January 23, 2025 11:45 am 7
Good point, especially when one considers that we don’t even know what or where the mind is. And as the Z Man points out, that’s also what we know about consciousness: nothing.
Compsci #440823 January 23, 2025 4:55 pm 4
“And as the Z Man points out, that’s also what we know about consciousness: nothing.” Which is why I’m skeptical about AI robots becoming sentient, or rather self aware, and extinguishing us.
Ostei Kozelskii #440836 January 23, 2025 5:39 pm 2
Agreed. However, AI wouldn’t have to become conscious to exterminate us.
Compsci #440869 January 23, 2025 9:01 pm 0
Yep, but then we’d have to entrust them with the power and knowledge to do so as they’d not develop such surreptitiously..
Ostei Kozelskii #440876 January 23, 2025 10:26 pm 1
Unless AI became superintelligent–which we seem to be encouraging–and learned how to boostrap that intelligence eventually attaining God-like intelligence. Such an entity might be able to do whatever it pleased.
Bartleby the Scrivner #440639 January 23, 2025 10:17 am 40
My dad turned 86 last September. Last year he did a full kitchen rehab with my help. Sometimes he couldn’t hold a drill. He said it was his last one, but as a hard headed Bohemian, we shall see. He is afraid that the minute he stops “doing things”, he’s toast.
MikeCLT #440641 January 23, 2025 10:18 am 13
Life is work.
Hun #440646 January 23, 2025 10:32 am 11
As long as it is not wage slaving…
Rented mule #440786 January 23, 2025 3:16 pm 2
There is no retirement in the Bible. Speaking of I’m poping smoke in March, I then have about 2-3 years of projects on three diferent places I have managed to accumulate.I’ll pass everything onto my family before its time to head out on a .270I’ll die with my boots on by god
Compsci #440825 January 23, 2025 5:01 pm 1
Not a bad end plan—except don’t bite the end of a barrel. The trauma is too great for family and first responders. Instead, shoot for the heart (buy a pistol). A loud explosion, followed by a brief moment of realization, then shock and light headedness and it’s over. 20 sec’s max, no pain, minimal messiness.
Steve #440850 January 23, 2025 6:32 pm 6
After a really close call in college, I think if I were to decide to check out, I’d find a nice, cold night, -30F or so, and take a bottle of a good single malt with me and get lost somewhere in the woods. Family doesn’t have to know it wasn’t accidental.
Compsci #440871 January 23, 2025 9:05 pm 0
Good as well. There may be a dozen more ways. The one I mentioned—wrt shock—I’ve experienced twice. Both times lucky enough to pull through, but neither time did the experience scare me. Amazing what the body can do under shock, but it’s not painful or even disturbing
Ketchup-stained Griller #440892 January 24, 2025 7:02 am 0
You risk survival. A fictional character, Count Vronsky, comes to mind.
Tars Tarkas #440681 January 23, 2025 11:33 am 22
“He is afraid that the minute he stops “doing things”, he’s toast.” He’s right. My father never retired. He very much liked working, especially after my mother passed away. All your planned projects will be completed (or possibly abandoned) within a couple of years. Then what? Sit around and watch TV all day? My father was in remarkable condition for his age. When a retiree falls into that bad life of TV and small chores around the house, they decline quickly.
BigJimSportCamper #440730 January 23, 2025 1:30 pm 10
Sometimes, at that age, the mind may be very willing, but the body is no longer cooperating. At almost 69, I can feel it starting.
Compsci #440829 January 23, 2025 5:16 pm 7
This. The mind is everything. The struggle is less physical than mental. All I can say is keep at it.True story. When I got a bout of Covid some time ago (2nd I think), I was laid up for 8 days or so. In short, complete bed rest, little physical activity except hitting the toilet. Day 7 I saw the end of the disease had passed. Day 8 I got up and was completely well (no symptoms) and good to go.However, I felt odd. I sat on the couch thinking, what’s wrong here? After a few reflective minutes, I realized I was no longer in pain. Weak, yes, but pain free. Why? Well, all those muscles and joints that I pushed everyday without end were now pain free because “inactive”.Then I realized that life is pain, pain is life—at least at the end in old age. Nothing at that point was more tempting than to turn on the tv and kick back at my “good fortune”. I then knew why so many of the elderly simply give up and become sedentary.If you have a choice, don’t become one of those who give up.
Tars Tarkas #440835 January 23, 2025 5:38 pm 1
My father did work that was both physically and mentally challenging. He was an electrical engineer, by education anyway, and he worked repairing and maintaining industrial equipment. He might have to climb 60 foot in the air to work on an overhead crane or lift 100 pound wheels from an electric sideloader to get to the control parts. A lot of physical work and mental exertion with the diagnostics.
Ostei Kozelskii #440838 January 23, 2025 5:42 pm 10
Stretch. I’m no physical therapist, but from my experience, a regular stretching routine can work wonders. Probably the most under-appreciated physical activity there is.
john smyth #440875 January 23, 2025 9:55 pm 2
Stretch plus a good back cracking from a chiropractor (I used to think it was nonsense too) and massage does wonders.
Alzaebo #440735 January 23, 2025 1:35 pm 8
Ol’ Dads loved hard labor and physical activity, he just loved it. That’s why I’d call him on Father’s Day and ask him if he knew the milkman’s number. No way in hades could I behiskid!
BigJimSportCamper #440868 January 23, 2025 8:49 pm 0
Shoulda called your mother with that one!!! 😉
george 1 #440698 January 23, 2025 12:01 pm 7
Your Dad is a wise man.
fakeemail #440738 January 23, 2025 1:40 pm 8
It’s true. Lots of times retired guys who envision just travel, drinks, and golf simply turn fat and die pretty quick.
roo_ster #440754 January 23, 2025 2:04 pm 2
Your dad is an example to us all.
Dutchboy #440780 January 23, 2025 3:05 pm 3
Which is why many are afraid of retirement.
Ostei Kozelskii #440812 January 23, 2025 4:30 pm 6
Many people fear this. And with good justification. Idle hands are the devil’s workshop and an idle mind is a demon’s dungeon. I’m not elderly, but I can see that day coming. I fully intend to stay busy as hell in an attempt to stave off decrepitude and senility for as long as possible.
Piffle #440820 January 23, 2025 4:50 pm 4
The Boomer habit of Candy Crush and endless TV without work defining their day seems like a form of Hell all to itself.
Ostei Kozelskii #440839 January 23, 2025 5:44 pm 5
Especially given the horrendous state of TV these days. I will never, ever be tempted to subject myself to that garbage. I watch as little of it as possible, as is.
HalfTrolling #440643 January 23, 2025 10:21 am 21
They’re transhumanists, they want to upload their minds into machine bodies.
rayj #440657 January 23, 2025 10:50 am 16
This eternal life lunacy has been a scheme of this world’s elite families for a very long time. They are obsessed with keeping their grip on this planet, and the way to extend their rule indefinitely is the Ray Kurzweil route. Babel Dos.The coming AI enhancements, both cognitive and physical, will produce supermen and superwomen with abilities and powers far beyond the un-enhanced. This will begin at elite levels because the cost, at first, will be prohibitively high for the rest of the population.Extrapolate from there. This is madness.‘The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.’ (Genesis 11:5)Yup. And here we all are.
The Infant Pheonomenon #440692 January 23, 2025 11:46 am 1
Which would not–could not–be what we call “life.”
Alzaebo #440743 January 23, 2025 1:43 pm 1
Since Hell’s function is organic formation–rather, the breakdown into essential elements that precedes formation–my deepest suspicion is that Hell is trying to bypass or supercede the traditional methods. A new form of life is struggling to be born…“What rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem…?” Its aims, as are White people themselves, are trans-terrestrial; that is, a stage to flee the Nest, in an organic replay of Creation’s radiant panspermia. One could see it as either a redundant necessity, a back-up sporing, or one could see it as an attempt to break out of quarantine.
Rented mule #440788 January 23, 2025 3:18 pm 0
They’re dipshits.
Compsci #440834 January 23, 2025 5:35 pm 3
The movie these technocrats have fallen in love with: “Transcendence” (2014). In this sci-fi film, Depp plays Dr. Will Caster, a brilliant scientist working on artificial intelligence. After being mortally wounded, he transfers his consciousness into a computer, which leads to unforeseen and far-reaching consequences as he gains unprecedented power. Not a bad movie, but you can imagine these guy’s racing to that point in technology. My one immediately thought was how a mind without the sensory input of the body can remain sane. You’ll need to watch the movies for that aspect.
miforest #440666 January 23, 2025 11:03 am 8
they intend to suck their “self” out of the crbon based organ called a brain and put it on a chip and continue on ruling the world from their new silicone based “body” . they nueural link is supposed to facilitate this transfer once perfected.
Marko #440676 January 23, 2025 11:25 am 21
I never understood why people (Alex Trebek is a good example) who have stage 4 cancer in their late 70s and “decide to fight it”? Appreciate the time you had, man. Unless our supergeniouses can figure out a way to cure everything and reverse aging, I generally think once you hit 70 you’ve basically won at the game of life, and are on bonus time now, and thank God for the bonuses you get. Of course, this is really easy to say when you aren’t 70.
Evil Sandmich #440679 January 23, 2025 11:31 am 7
They might fight and win, though I suppose that comes from never seeing someone who fought and lost.
Vegetius #440739 January 23, 2025 1:41 pm 17
As the notorious 6 million skeptic Norm Macdonald noted:“I’m pretty sure, I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure if you die, the cancer dies at the same time. That’s not a loss. That’s a draw.”
KGB #440747 January 23, 2025 1:51 pm 1
I thought it was Adam Eget who was the Holocaust denier! When he wasn’t jerking punks off under the Queensboro Bridge, that is.
iForgotmyPen #440894 January 24, 2025 7:44 am -1
the more I hear about this fella, the more I don’t like him
Arthur Metcalf #440684 January 23, 2025 11:37 am 2
Because everywhere they go, people adore them, and even the most cynical person after a while might start to say, “I like it here as a celebrity, I must be special in some way compared to others,” and that will serve as justification for years of medical treatments — not for them, but for those who won’t be able to survive without these celebs on earth. They do it for us.
fakeemail #440745 January 23, 2025 1:45 pm 12
Yes, this. Normal people like us don’t have a conception of the life of the rich and famous. Endless money, constant adoration, fun, sex, and adventures. . . at a certain point they figure they’re too special and rich to die and death is for the little people.
rayj #440696 January 23, 2025 11:59 am 12
I am in my seventies and I agree 100 percent. The obsession of the body, from birth onward, is survival. So the body reacts with panic to impending death. There are no exceptions because we share the same biology. When I no longer can do for myself — and that time is coming soon — it’s adios baby. Off to see Papa again.
Compsci #440837 January 23, 2025 5:40 pm 2
Ray, the solution to your quandary is to not conceive of the body as concerned with survival. In the book, “The Selfish Gene”, the point is made that the body is simply a mechanism for one’s genes to survive. Once done—via reproduction—there is no use for the body. In that conception, no one dies who leaves offspring.
rayj #440855 January 23, 2025 6:52 pm 0
Quandary? There’s no quandary.
george 1 #440702 January 23, 2025 12:05 pm 15
I am plus that figure and I think you are right. When the time comes I do not want any extreme treatments to keep me alive. I don’t want to become a burden to anyone. That is my fear.
fakeemail #440742 January 23, 2025 1:43 pm 8
I dunno, we are programmed to want to live. So even with stage 4 at 70, lots of people will still grasp to hope and try to fight instead of just going into that good night. The human mind cannot accept the concept of its own oblivion.
Steve #440768 January 23, 2025 2:43 pm 3
That’s why I’d prefer to get rid of FDA entirely, but in the meantime, enact the Right to Try legislation. If you have to experiment with mRNA, let it be on someone who sees it as his least bad option.
Quent #440828 January 23, 2025 5:13 pm 5
I’m 74. The idea of being dead no longer bothers me, but the process of becoming dead scares the c**p out of me. My mind is still good and I suspect it will be operating at full speed and with complete clarity, so I will get to experience every moment of becoming dead. Flying to Oregon and getting the shot is increasingly attractive.
rayj #440856 January 23, 2025 6:53 pm 3
You got it. Being dead is easy. But dying? Not so much. The things I saw in military hospitals when I was a kid. (shudder)
Jeffrey Zoar #440761 January 23, 2025 2:25 pm 1
I’d guess that decision could have a lot to do with what the quality of one’s life was like at the time of diagnosis. Of which net worth is a factor, which in Trebek’s case was high.
Somone #440848 January 23, 2025 6:27 pm 3
Alex Trebek had a “why” which meant he could bear any “how.” As I type these words, Johnny Gilbert remains the Jeopardy announcer. He will turn 97 in July of 2025.
Arthur Metcalf #440680 January 23, 2025 11:33 am 18
If someone had taken out Gene Rodenberry before he got to “Star Trek,” we wouldn’t be having half of these problems. The damage that Hollywood sci-fi has done is incalculable. People really believe we’re going to live on other planets, live to be 1000, run marathons at 250 — they should all be institutionalized. Instead, they have billions if not trillions of dollars at their disposal, because human beings are suckers for a good story.
Dutchboy #440781 January 23, 2025 3:07 pm 7
You mean guys like Elon Musk?
Arthur Metcalf #440833 January 23, 2025 5:31 pm 0
Yes, he plays video games and loves Star Trek. He is notspoudaios, as the Greeks called them.
The Wild Geese Howard #440854 January 23, 2025 6:52 pm 4
Yes. The more that comes out, the more it looks like Trump cut a deal with Big Tech to get re-elected as long as he promised to fund their construction of Skynet on their terms without government interference.
Ostei Kozelskii #440878 January 23, 2025 10:33 pm 1
Why wouldn’t Kamaltoe have made the same promise?
The Wild Geese Howard #440885 January 24, 2025 12:37 am 3
Kams would have insisted on government control. Government control would have meant total incompetence and failed implementation.
Trek #440888 January 24, 2025 1:55 am 0
Believing in a better future causes problems because..? I mean, the very computer you’re using to type this message came from people who believe in technology and sci-fi.
Steve #440840 January 23, 2025 5:46 pm 10
I have an uncle by marriage who’s grandmother lived to be 101. She never said a word to anyone despite the fact that she had all of her marbles and she was ambulatory. We tried striking up conversations with her at family functions and she either never said a word, or she would issue one word answers. One night she slipped away in her sleep and I asked my uncle after the funeral why she was always so quiet. He told us that everyone she knew, her husband, siblings, friends, way of life (music, literature, morals) are all gone. He said that she told him on several occasions, “David, I don’t know why I’m still here. I wish the lord would just call me home and be done with it.” she never spoke with any of us because she knew she had nothing in common with any of us. It wasn’t personal, she thought you were good kids, but there’s an almost seventy year difference between you and her.I got it, but it was unfortunate because I would have loved to have heard about her experiences growing up. She remembered when Franz Ferdinand was murdered, as well as when the Spanish Flu swept through the country. Gone forever.
Ostei Kozelskii #440880 January 23, 2025 10:37 pm 5
I’m no centenarian–far from it–but feel much the same as your uncle’s grandmother. I simply feel I have virtually nothing in common with 95 percent of my fellow AINOians and therefore have no desire to communicate with them. Attempting to do so is an arduous, albeit somewhat necessary, task.
Trek #440886 January 24, 2025 1:47 am 1
The goal has to be rejuvenation not just adding more elderly years. Technically, it should be possible to rejuvenate cells but this may be decades or centuries away.
RDittmar #440638 January 23, 2025 10:16 am 27
I have to say I don’t think you can be too cynical about AI and silicon valley in particular. I really don’t believe that Altman believes for a minute any of his bulls**t hyping of AI. One thing he’s trying to do is keep the AI hype high in hopes of cashing out on stock options in an IPO of OpenAI. He’s also hoping to sell a bunch of computing resources and software to a bunch of gullible corporate types before everyone realizes ChatGPT is just a glorified auto-complete that plagarizes content from existing webpages. Here’s an interesting video discussing past silicon valley bustouts and how AI is just the latest iteration of the scam:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuBCk8XMC8
Jack Dobson #440642 January 23, 2025 10:20 am 25
Altman drips sleaze. Someone with that jack should be able to hire better PR people and a fashion adviser. “Siri, how do I not sound like a used car salesman?” has been available a long time now.
Mr. House #440654 January 23, 2025 10:45 am 15
He reminds me of the guy who ran WeWork or whatever it was called. The only thing endless is the scams.
Eloi #440721 January 23, 2025 12:47 pm 3
Wework dude is back with some residential renting scheme.
Mr. House #440731 January 23, 2025 1:31 pm 4
Just think, at some point we must have had morals which would deny a scammer from getting right back in, but we can’t call scams scams these days.
Steve #440762 January 23, 2025 2:26 pm 12
When I was a little kid, there was a kiddie diddler in the neighborhood. Everyone knew it, but no one could prove it. Forensics in Flyover Mayberry were not very advanced. One night, he just disappeared, patio door left open. The cops didn’t put much effort into it. And the kiddie diddling stopped. Yes, there used to be a mechanism for dealing with those who destroy moral society.
Mr. House #440771 January 23, 2025 2:48 pm 6
That was called community, but the only version we have of that these days is online (by design?). Go to your local bar and try to get people behind a cause you feel strongly about, it won’t go well.
Pozymandias #440783 January 23, 2025 3:13 pm 1
Of course he is. There’s a whole layer of people who float from Mountain View to Austin to Manhattan who keep coming up with “brilliant ideas” that they somehow convince rich people to finance. I wonder about the mentality of the financiers. Of course, it might be like people who buying a small amount of some new shitcoin in hopes that each of the $0.03 coins will reach $1000. I’ve done it myself. I think of it as playing the lottery. Of course you’re not going to win – but you might. If that’s how the financiers are thinking I can sort of understand. The real question is “do the ever floating grifters understand the deal or do they believe their own bullshit?”. Maybe everybody knows that it’s all basically a legal numbers racket. It must be nice to be oneitherside of that racket!Now if you’ll excuse me I’ve got to finish setting up this new website I’m starting. I call it “pets.com”…
Snooze #440890 January 24, 2025 6:22 am 3
Larry Ellison describing a blood test for detecting cancer reminded me of Theranos. Ellison was a Theranos investor. Otherwise have to give the guy credit for staying active into his 80’s.
Mr. House #440655 January 23, 2025 10:48 am 15
Also one of his sisters says he diddle her when they were kids. Also reminds me of that troll that ran a bitcoin scam. They all have one thing in common, and i’m generally not a firm believer in what many here espouse, but it is strange.
Jeffrey Zoar #440667 January 23, 2025 11:06 am 12
Another billionaire who has never turned a profit
Alzaebo #440764 January 23, 2025 2:34 pm 1
Oddly, some whistlelower in his corporation died a suspicious death. These boys play rough.
fakeemail #440755 January 23, 2025 2:04 pm 11
He’s gay. I can kinda understand a man who was born very feminine being gay. But these “normal presenting” gay males trouble me. It must be some sort of mental disorder that masks extreme trauma and/or an extreme sadism and/or masochism.
mmack #440617 January 23, 2025 9:48 am 27
Call me old fashioned, but I read these entries on immortality and Artificial Intelligence and I keep getting this vibe: “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened,and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” While fusing neural intelligence and electronic intelligence sounds promising, who provides the electricity to keep the computers going? 😏
Bartleby the Scrivner #440631 January 23, 2025 10:06 am 25
Whitey
Piffle #440653 January 23, 2025 10:42 am 12
The elites are starting to get that maybe trying to erase European males is a bad idea. But they are just starting to get it.
george 1 #440709 January 23, 2025 12:13 pm 7
The elites have big wars in the queue. The West fighting big wars means they need white males. The other demographics won’t cut it.
Piffle #440718 January 23, 2025 12:38 pm 6
We’re going to be lucky to have white males. The ones I see in my neck of the woods are not battle ready. I’m not convinced that we’re going to see WWIII on that fact alone.
Steve #440741 January 23, 2025 1:43 pm 2
That is a bright side of all the childhood obesity, I guess. ‘Course, I have no idea what society is going to do when they all go Type 2 in their late 20s…
george 1 #440751 January 23, 2025 1:55 pm 1
Great point. I have noticed the same thing.
miforest #440851 January 23, 2025 6:35 pm 3
don’t you see that the point of those wars is to get the white males to kill each other off???
Marko #440687 January 23, 2025 11:42 am 15
God gives you eternity; until then, whitey saves your ass
Piffle #440700 January 23, 2025 12:03 pm 6
“God created us and therefore we are worth the saving” is far more motivating to me than naked attempts to appeal to saving our flesh alone. The statement gives hope and meaning to the necessary sacrifices that are coming. The hope that my children might be not just another white cog in a never ending wheel, but future residents of Heaven helps too.
Alzaebo #440767 January 23, 2025 2:41 pm 1
I’m printing that one out and putting it on the wall.Thank you, Piffle. Your statement is deeper than you realize…”just another white cog in a never ending wheel” is the essence of their stunted vision. Not being fully White, they can’t hear the celestial song of Heaven, nor envision any eternity but the endless Wheel of earth.
WillS #440753 January 23, 2025 2:02 pm 0
Whitey may only be around a few morw centuries.
Vizzini #440671 January 23, 2025 11:13 am 18
Yeah, there are a few very scary short sci-fi stories out there about the consequences of being digitized, and then being a digital slave to the people who control your electricity and computing power. I think there’s also one about some poor sod being endlessly duplicated as a “base AI” for a whole bunch of menial, servile computing tasks — countless copies of him living forever in misery.
Maxda #440697 January 23, 2025 12:01 pm 1
A common topic in Neal Asher’s books.
Jack Dobson #440625 January 23, 2025 9:59 am 24
Simply being remembered was a form of conquering death.It was and, in many ways, still is the point of life, yes. In a world where those who are worth remembering no longer procreate, gadgets are employed. In a world that no longer values and produces worthy art in all its forms, gadgets are employed.A world where you watch your son become a man is a world worthy of life. A world where painters, composers, authors, and the creative thrive is a world worthy of life.A world where Sam Altman is the ideal is one that distracts itself with fantastical quests for immortality.
rayj #440665 January 23, 2025 11:01 am 16
‘A world where you watch your son become a man is a world worthy of life’ Beautifully said.
Piffle #440694 January 23, 2025 11:50 am 13
“Then our sons will be like plants nurtured in their youth, our daughters like corner pillars carved to adorn a palace.” Psalms 144:12
Alzaebo #440772 January 23, 2025 2:49 pm 3
Jeez. I think I’ll be saving that one too. Beautiful.
Alzaebo #440769 January 23, 2025 2:47 pm 7
Man, is it ever. I was chatting with the ladies cutting hair; one of them said joyfully of her 15 year-old son, “I can now see the man he’s going to be.”
Jeffrey Zoar #440616 January 23, 2025 9:48 am 22
the most likely result of AI is better ways to kill one another. We already see that with the war in Ukraine where AI powered drones hunt for men and equipment Coming soon domestically. Whether through something like CBDC, and/or AI controlled killer drones, no resistance to the regime will be permitted.
mmack #440618 January 23, 2025 9:50 am 10
First rule or weaponry: Measure begets countermeasureFirst rule of Cheap Chinese Sh, I mean Stuff: If they have it, we can have it.
Jeffrey Zoar #440622 January 23, 2025 9:57 am 2
That may have been true in the 1700s but it isn’t today. There is a huge list of weapons the regime has that we don’t have, and would be imprisoned for possessing.
Vizzini #440669 January 23, 2025 11:10 am 10
Your statement is loaded with limiting assumptions.
Maxda #440699 January 23, 2025 12:02 pm 9
They still have names and home addresses.
Jeffrey Zoar #440713 January 23, 2025 12:28 pm 3
The way they envision it, the panopticon will see you coming a long time before you get there. At which point your accounts and your vehicle will be shut down. And then you’ll have to walk there. Which the cameras will see. The higher level ones will have security that will stop you if you get around or through all that. Maybe you can take out a lower level one. Good for you
Eloi #440722 January 23, 2025 12:49 pm 15
It never fails to impress me that people cannot imagine we are living in a novel age. The discrepancy between the power the government has and the average prole is greater than anytime in the past and is accelerating. Couple this with the dispersal of power through managerialism (whom would one strike, anyway?), and the prospects seem dreary for any escape.
Steve #440750 January 23, 2025 1:53 pm 1
Don’t give into despair. Without the points of the spears, DC is a bunch of senile old farts telling each other stories. Those spear-points are, almost to a man, no longer the Boomer oppressors. However, if Boomer Hate is an effective tactic for turning them, I’m all for it. Does anyone know any FBI or ATF or even State Police that’s worked on? Or are the golden handcuffs the real oppressor?
rayj #440797 January 23, 2025 3:51 pm 0
You are small enough in number as it is. Now you want to reduce that further because Boomer Oppressors?
Steve #440810 January 23, 2025 4:27 pm 1
No, I think further fragmenting is a horrible idea. I’m saying that if it works, I’m OK with being tossed under the bus. I highly doubt it will work, and all the internecine squabbles are going to end up diluting what little we have. The best I can say of Theodoreet al.is that they might be the unwitting servants of Satan. That they are his servants is beyond doubt, though. Fruits, you know.
rayj #440857 January 23, 2025 6:55 pm 0
Ok I get it.
Dutchboy #440782 January 23, 2025 3:11 pm 8
And people think the old kings were powerful oppressors. They had nothing on our current overlords. Most of them just wanted deference and taxes paid and they would leave you alone.
Rented mule #440794 January 23, 2025 3:32 pm 0
Damn right, families too
Steve #440746 January 23, 2025 1:46 pm 7
That is true until it isn’t. For some reason, militaries around the world were astonished when someone started dropping grenades from off-the-shelf drones. That genie ain’t goin’ back in the bottle.
The Wild Geese Howard #440619 January 23, 2025 9:52 am 5
They won’t need drones once they force Neuralink on everyone. This is because all Neuralink units will have a small shaped charge explosive that the algo in the data fusion center can trigger via Starlink. Wouldn’t take a large charge to go through say, a spinal cord.
Jack Dobson #440627 January 23, 2025 10:00 am 10
Altman is saying this very thing. To paraphrase him, a world with advanced AI is a well-behaved world. Indeed.
Bitter reactionary #440770 January 23, 2025 2:48 pm 10
Uncle Ted was right.
Jack Dobson #440884 January 24, 2025 12:15 am 4
Uncle Ted’s manifesto has joined Osama bin Laden’s open letter in memory hole eternity after years of required reading. Orwell was such an optimist.
Arthur Metcalf #440678 January 23, 2025 11:30 am 19
First full day in the White House and he goes right back to mRNA, which is literally what he was yelling about the day he left it in 2021. C’mon now.
Piffle #440704 January 23, 2025 12:07 pm 10
The Silent/Boomer generation has an uncomplicated relationship with technology. In fairness to them, they lived through an era where basically magic happened every decade or so. There’s no reason from their POV to not expect the “bugs” of mRNA to be ironed out. Other people are little more cynical.
Steve #440758 January 23, 2025 2:15 pm 5
It would shake the very basis of science if the bugs could not be ironed out. mRNA is how the body works. Or at least that’s what we think now. mRNA is just a blueprint for producing a protein. The tricky part is getting the proteins to fold. Currently, they just Frankenstein functional snippets together, most of which don’t work, either. But it’s largely that we don’t understand folding rules.mRNA at this level of understanding is crazy-stupid to use in almost any non-terminal situation. Maybe another 50 years. Maybe. To call for mRNA Part Deux at this time is beyond mere stupidity…
Piffle #440775 January 23, 2025 2:53 pm 5
Agreed very much with your last paragraph. It is possible that the kinks could get worked out. (Ha!) It is also possible that God has put limits on our understanding and we’ve brushed up against them.
rayj #440799 January 23, 2025 4:00 pm 2
You might try contacting Kamala Harris. I hear she’s great at folding.
Dutchboy #440785 January 23, 2025 3:13 pm 1
He can’t leave it alone.
Mycale #440652 January 23, 2025 10:41 am 17
That tech bro weirdo who is getting blood transfusions from his kid and has a team of scientists try to de-age him gave up on one of the medicines because it likely did more harm than good. Death is a part of life. It’s one of the first things that philosophers in all traditions discovered and expounded upon. These dorks cannot change the basic reality of God’s plan just because they have money. They’re going to learn it the hard way and are learning it the hard way.And I would argue that AI can’t even create clever memes. People were able to figure out what is generated by AI within weeks if not days of the tech rolling out. AI cannot create, it can only duplicate and iterate upon what humans can do. Elon Musk said a few months ago that the AI models they have today have been trained on all the information that human beings have ever created. In other words, they will now need to be trained on themselves, which is a catastrophe for AI.
Alzaebo #440793 January 23, 2025 3:29 pm -3
That brings up a point. Death is a power greater than God. All the universe is a function to defeat Death, all the imagings of a sentient God are of His attempts to defeat Death.
Steve #440811 January 23, 2025 4:30 pm 3
Aquinas argued quite persuasively that no creation can be greater than its creator. Since He created death… This whole AI thing is people believing the opposite. We shall see. Well, I probably won’t. Not in this life, anyway.
Col.Tigh #440877 January 23, 2025 10:29 pm 0
Others have refuted this fallacy far better than I could hope to.
rayj #440647 January 23, 2025 10:32 am 17
‘Lost in most of the AI debate is something Altman said in that clip, “Immortality is not too far ahead.” That is an interesting selling point, as it assumes that everyone wants to live forever’Only the greatest of fools — or of salesmen — would want to endure such a horror, a horror almost beyond imagining. Me, I can’t wait to get this evil orb in my rearview mirror. Not one minute more here than is absolutely necessary.But the tech idjits eventually will get their way:‘And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.’ (Rev. 9:6)That was written about 2,000 years ago. How could the author (Patmos John) know that human beings would reach such a point? Well because God told him, and because people — and the race itself — are quite predictable.The eternal life offered by Christianity has NOTHING to do with this scheme to prolong living forever by the billionaires and techies. The Christian eternal condition is a gift of God to the righteous, it is not a for-profit strategy by those with intelligence devoid of wisdom.
Zulu Juliet #440714 January 23, 2025 12:30 pm 28
“I can’t wait to get this evil orb in my rearview mirror. Not one minute more here than is absolutely necessary.” Most every morning, I take a walk outside, up and down the driveway, with my dog, and I marvel at how miraculous and beautiful the earth and heavens are. The wind in one’s face, the sound of birds, the sight of the clouds, stars and moon. It’s an absolute miracle. I will miss it when I pass.
Auld Mark #440740 January 23, 2025 1:42 pm 5
As far as I’m concerned my friend, you win the internet today…well said.
Alzaebo #440790 January 23, 2025 3:20 pm 1
This, this, this, Zulu, the sheer gratitude that I got a chance to see it.
rayj #440798 January 23, 2025 3:58 pm 4
All those things are true, and I take joy in them also. But it ain’t home and never will be. It’s just a pretty hotel. I want to go home, where I am known and loved.
Andy Texan #440881 January 23, 2025 11:23 pm 2
I have a garden with something new to see every day. I will never get tired of puttering around and smelling the flowers.
Captain Willard #440623 January 23, 2025 9:57 am 16
Indeed, we will boldly steal the secret of Life from the Gods and use it for sexbots and AI sports referees to end the dominance of the KC Chiefs.
Jack Dobson #440637 January 23, 2025 10:14 am 4
Will it replace grilling, though?
Ketchup-stained Griller #440728 January 23, 2025 1:19 pm 7
I grill, therefore I am.
rayj #440661 January 23, 2025 10:55 am 12
If AI ends the dominance of the Taylor Swift Chiefs and their referees, then ok. I’ve changed my mind. Bring on the electrodes!
tashtego #440682 January 23, 2025 11:33 am 15
People who are familiar with the fundamentals of computer science and the fundamentals of neural networks and still imagine that they somehow embody the potential for eternal life are first order determinists. They make the most hard core HBD race-realists look like the cast of an olden-tyme coke commercial. How does one make that colossal mental leap required to go from a multi-variate transfer function that has been manipulated to give certain discreet outputs for certain discrete inputs to imagining that increasing the scale of input / output assignments eventually crosses some threshold into consciousness? They must think the secret ingredient to conscious intelligence is the ability to be wrong. If something so mechanically mundane were true, what value would ‘eternal life’ have that would inspire one to seek it?
Yman #440656 January 23, 2025 10:50 am 15
it was Jewish wet-dream that imprisons white people at electronic world and humiliate over eternity artificial intelligence is glorified programing, a financial tool for scamming
Dutchboy #440791 January 23, 2025 3:21 pm 2
The Jew in your computer, as the TV is the Jew in your living room.
nooneimportant #440634 January 23, 2025 10:09 am 15
So Trump was elected to provide billions to tech moguls so they can pursue eternal life? His circa 2020 “platinum plan” for blacks looks like a great idea in comparison…
The Wild Geese Howard #440863 January 23, 2025 7:54 pm 2
No, it looks more like the tech moguls helped Trump get re-elected in exchange for funding their construction of Skynet without any interference from the government.
RealityRules #440626 January 23, 2025 10:00 am 15
The Norse/Germanic mythos of Valhalla and Ragnarok and the final battle encode the wisdom that these megalomanics in their ignorance miss. The end, yours and even the universe, is inevitable. This is not a cause for sorrow. It is a fact that must be greeted heroically and honorably – side by side with your people making the most of the time you have.Of course it also encodes the wisdom that we must do battle against entropy. Looking at Larry Ellison and Bezo’s new tail are instructive.And as always our host hits on a subtly related point. High interest rates and consumer-eyeball tech has created no more alpha. They know this. So they are turning from an indirect subsidy of ZIRP fueled IPO “wealth” multipliers to the direct subsidy of military spending. I bet a lot of the war in the clouds is over who is going to get the contracts.Will it be Palmer Luckey and that crowd or Eric Schmidt and that crowd? One thing is for sure, no matter what Alex Karp will be getting them and sharing them and the data with his foreign domicile of choice. I suspect dragging in Ellison and Altman (which drags in Microsoft by default), is throwing that faction a bone to placate them for giving the Musk/Luckey/Andreesen faction primacy in the coalition.We are in the final stages of the grift. Interest rates just can’t go down. So write them checks directly instead.In closing, the Indo-Europeans from whom we came really had the most important questions answered. It is Occidental Man’s social/spiritual technology that is our great achievement that enabled all of the others. Kurzweil and that gang are bereft of that soul fire so they are going to keep digging in to an endless bottom.
Piffle #440651 January 23, 2025 10:40 am 14
“Indo-Europeans” is about as a solid theory as “Judeo-Christian”. Can we please ditch the theory before our new Indian overlords remind us who is the first modifier in “Indo-European”? It’s not going to end well.
RealityRules #440701 January 23, 2025 12:04 pm 7
Interesting point. Judeo-Christian is not a theory it is a propaganda tool. Indo-European is not a theory. Pan-European? Occidental? I get your point, but we have the claim on it. We know via DNA, linguistics and archeology where they originated from and who they conquered. Food for thought. I am not discounting your concern, but we are in an existential crisis that is also an identity crisis. A major part of the dispossession project is abrogating our claims on our lands and our origins. I know what you don’t want to do. What do you propose instead?
Piffle #440723 January 23, 2025 12:50 pm 3
“We know via DNA, linguistics and archeology where they originated from and who they conquered.”I will politely disagree here. We don’t know these things. The linguistics is probably the weakest point. It involves a few syllables, of which they seem to be common throughout the planet. Almost every language’s formal or informal name for “Mother” is “ma”. The Indus river valley had an advanced civilization that seemed to have completely vanished. It’s not like the Mediterranean Sea with semi-continuous written records etc. It’s not possible to come up with historical DNA records, as we really can’t test bones very well. Most of understanding of human DNA involves testing people with well known genealogies.It’s literally just a theory with almost no evidence behind it. The evidence is so thin that I’d call it wishful thinking.“but we are in an existential crisis that is also an identity crisis.”Very much agreed.” What do you propose instead?”That God made us and for that reason alone we have value as nations and individuals. Our identity has to come from our God given family ties, simply because God gave them to us. That means our children and parents come first before “saving the world” or any other do-gooder motivation. Personally, I tend to believe “Indo-European” is about avoiding the concept of God.
Steve #440752 January 23, 2025 2:00 pm 1
“It’s not possible to come up with historical DNA records, as we really can’t test bones very well.” Where can I learn more about this? I thought it was through testing Neanderthal hair and bones and such that we had a rough idea of how much of H. sapiens DNA was Neanderthal. You are saying that can’t be done with far younger fossils?
Piffle #440773 January 23, 2025 2:51 pm 0
“I thought it was through testing Neanderthal hair and bones and such that we had a rough idea of how much of H. sapiens DNA was Neanderthal. You are saying that can’t be done with far younger fossils?”I read up on DNA testing. I think I searched “DNA testing post mortem”, therefore making me an expert. *grin*Anyway, it is very difficult to sample DNA from just bones. Human DNA testing, relatively speaking, has to be done within about a year of being deceased. Otherwise, there’s too much potential interference and not enough intact flesh left. We’re talking chemical strands so small that they might be looking at recent bacteria that was living on the bone instead of human DNA. Calcified DNA is particularly difficult sample properly.My guess is that you’re thinking about the pre-DNA era that focused on finding patterns in bones/skeletons, itself a dicey pursuit. There’s no guarantee that Neanderthals are related to us because their skeletons were similar.
Steve #440806 January 23, 2025 4:17 pm 0
The Max Planck Institutes are not exactly slouches. Altai Neandertal Genome – Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology They may be wrong, but they claim to have done exactly that, though with a very small sample size. (n=3)
Piffle #440818 January 23, 2025 4:45 pm 0
I didn’t say it was impossible. I did say getting DNA bone was very difficult and therefore relatively unreliable and expensive. There is a reason that people aren’t gleefully digging up bones to figure out family trees.There are 3 bones in used in this survey, none bigger than a finger bone. One of them was a bone recovered in 2010 from some random cave in Siberia. Who knows if that bone was evenNeanderthal? Perhaps it was some poor Russian? (So many questions. Were the bones even attached to a larger skeletons, etc)In any event, an Institute for “Evolutionary Anthropology” is about an open political agenda. This report is about hours spent on almost nothing of base evidence. But when the job depends on coming up with family trees on zero evidence, that’s what happens.
Compsci #440841 January 23, 2025 5:56 pm 1
Piffle really needs to do some reading as opposed to pontificating that which he has little knowledge of.David Reich of Harvard has developed the technique of DNA recovery from 50k yo wisdom teeth. He has an ongoing project of DNA analysis on such from digs. The last I read he’s got something like 200k samples from around the world and of varying epochs in human history. Read his book:”Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past” (2018)Others using his data have draw some pretty strong conclusions of past human populations and migrations as does Reich in his book despite what Piffle claims.
Alzaebo #440778 January 23, 2025 3:03 pm 1
“I tend to believe “Indo-European” is about avoiding the concept of God.” Please don’t go all Tower of Babel on us, Piffle.Really, specificity is a good thing.
Piffle #440808 January 23, 2025 4:22 pm 1
Very much agreed. I want to see Europeans embrace their parents, which means thinking about being Irish, English, Scottish, Greek, Romanian, Hungarian, American, etc again. That’s my vision of the immediate future that would restore the West to health. I am aware of the campaign by our overlords to erase such distinctions. I still think we need them back.
Alzaebo #440777 January 23, 2025 2:56 pm 1
Agree with both, the ‘Indo-‘ part has been made to grate, as it now infers a people rather than a region. “East Central Eurasian European” is a bit of a mouthful.
Krustykurmudgeon #440677 January 23, 2025 11:28 am 13
Does anyone feel like transhumanism sounds like something from the book of revelation?
RVIDXR #440724 January 23, 2025 12:50 pm 12
I don’t see how a glorified search engine with walled off virtual intelligence limiting its ability to use the data it holds can help make organic beings become immortal.There’s already calls for the medical industry to ban so called “AI” for being able to detect race from x-rays of ribcages because White people will use that to oppress black astronauts. Can’t use it for policing because it hurts black people’s feelings, can’t use it for anything even vaguely eugenic because all genes are equal, especially the ones responsible for antisocial behavior.Dysgenic supremacy is implicitly the guiding principles of the West & even if the focus is on achieving this through tech how can the brown hordes afford it?Now I wouldn’t put it past the government to subsidize robotic negroes who have armored skeletons to help them survive the perils of typical bantu behavior. I’m sure if its developed quickly enough before the average IQ drops so low that maintaining running toilets becomes impossible they’ll do it. Like everything else though this will be subsidized by the ever shrinking population that financially contributes, rather than siphons from, society.There’s no reason to think the paradigm of elevating & protecting the dysgenic will cease so this will no doubt be the focus. Maybe they can make robots that can repair themselves, they’ll also need robots to mine & ship the materials around & install the aforementioned negro ballistic/crash dummy armor.I’m sure the H1B visa immigrants we’re going to be flooded with can build these things, worked out great for Boeing after all.This is like planning an add on to your house while theres a live cracked gas pipe right next to the pilot light. I mean that basically applies everything about our society so ya know, whatever.I never thought the looting phase of the dying empire would involve scammers claiming we’ll become the Jetsons as a guise to extract wealth, clearly I’m lacking in creativity. In fairness to myself I’m merely a tourist of this clown show, I was born into this world, I didn’t make it.
Hemid #440765 January 23, 2025 2:38 pm 2
When gadflies list the several fictional dystopias we’re inhabiting now, the wiser ones include the “monorail” episode of The Simpsons.
Karl Horst #440673 January 23, 2025 11:23 am 12
From theRevelation 13:“15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.”John is clearly talking about a world authority or leader which commands the construction of an image of an animal or human and it gives breath (life) to this thing. The result is worldwide deception and control. And anyone who refuses to submit to acknowledge the authority of whatever it is (AI) will be killed.Drone technology, CGI and the use of DeepFakes today proves this is no longer the world of science fiction. This is real possibly which could be implemented in our own lifetime if not our children’s.Denmark has already eliminated cash transactions and the current generation is perfectly fine with using smartphones for their day-to-day transactions. But smartphones as we know them in their current form haven’t really changed much in 2-decades. People are starting to get tired of dragging a “clunky” smartphone device around. Which is why there’s a push for wearable devices. But even that is somewhat impractical and has it’s limits.Enter implanted tech.Implanted devices are nothing new and have proven themselves highly effective and relatively easy to use in the medical and health care sector. How much of a stretch is the idea of these devices being used by governments to accommodate cashless societies and to identify and control their citizens travel and movement. Given the craze with many young people to embellish themselves with tattoos, the idea of being injected with tech isn’t unreasonable or even objectionable. It may even become desirable and could be easily promoted by YouTube influencers, actors and others like them. We all know how easily people can be manipulated by social media platforms.This sort of tech doesn’t need rechargeable batteries because we will be the power source. You can read about self-powered medical devices and energy harvesting in the articles linked below.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211467X2400035Xhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/energy-harvestingThe Chinese have a well known and effective social credit system that has proven to be relatively easy to implement and socially and financially effective to control it’s people. Just look at what’s going on in the UK with their Orwellian government and massive surveillance state. One does not need to stretch their imagination very far to imagine the EU could very well implement this sort of system in the next decade. Especially since the technology already exists and they’ve already tested the waters with Covid.
rayj #440712 January 23, 2025 12:27 pm 9
Yes, this exactly. Been obvious for many years that the Scriptural Image of the Beast will have a strong AI component. Likely, a mix of bio-human with the Enhancements.When the implant Enhancements become commercially available — and that’ll be soon — they will be sold via invitation to elitism, as the Enhancements will create people who in various ways are superior to the Old Human models.Do human beings have a potent desire, an obsessive desire, to be ‘better’ than their neighbors, a superiority — even a supremacy — that is available for purchase at the click of a link? They damn sure do. Then the race will be on, and the stratification will be not only money, but AI upgrades.
Alzaebo #440826 January 23, 2025 5:04 pm 3
Strongly agree with both Karl and Ray here–well done, lads. This brings up the question showcased by the recent “Dune” duology; is messianic vision self-fulfilling, or fulfillment of a something greater?
wurst #440716 January 23, 2025 12:34 pm 8
The irony of a Gerrman complaining of an Orwellian government in another European country!“In an awkward revelation that comes as Habeck seeks the nomination of his Green party as candidate for chancellor, prosecutors on Friday said the economy minister had filed a criminal complaint after the man called him an “idiot” on social media in June.”A criminal complaint; surely they mean it’s a civil case.“Lawyers acting for Habeck filed a criminal complaint, prosecutors in the Bavarian town of Bamberg told Germany’s DPA news service, confirming earlier media reports.”But it is Germany so…”Germany’s criminal code includes provisions not only for slander and defamation but also for insult, which is punishable by up to a year in prison.”The UK is catching up with Germany.
Auld Mark #440757 January 23, 2025 2:08 pm 4
In my youth, I lived in both countries and enjoyed them immensely. Now,watching them sink back into the dysfunction that led to WW1 and WW2, I understand better why my ancestors set sail for the new world back in the 16oo’s
Karl Horst #440787 January 23, 2025 3:16 pm 0
The offence of Insult is not so different from your slander and libel laws that go back to 1734 and pre-date the American Revolution. When you finish reading the link below, feel free to look up the “Bellamy Salute.” Something else Americans taught the Germans. https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/defamation-libel-lawyer-germany/insult/?lang=en#:~:text=According%20to%20%C2%A7%20185%20StGB,two%20years%20or%20a%20fine.%E2%80%9D
Zfan #440813 January 23, 2025 4:35 pm 1
Thanks for tip on the “Bellamy Salute” I think that inconvenient info will remain mostly memory holed. Or, its all just white supremacists, even if you show some 1920s black schoolchildren doing it.
Alzaebo #440827 January 23, 2025 5:07 pm 1
It’s like they’re competing to see who can outdo the other, innit?
Vizzini #440852 January 23, 2025 6:44 pm 1
The irony of a Gerrman complaining of an Orwellian government It’s not quite as ironic as Englishmenimplementingan Orwellian government? Posted anything that might disturb the social order today, citizen? Expressed any unapproved hate?
Trek #440889 January 24, 2025 3:08 am -1
Revelations is a weird book. Originally credited to John the Apostle, but everyone who studies it says they have very different writing styles. It provides a horror tale like a good old campfire ghost story. Many-headed monsters! Secret symbols! It seems to me the message of the New Testament is pretty straightforward and is not dependent on solving mysteries within mysteries combined with numerology.
Tom K #440663 January 23, 2025 10:59 am 12
There is a penalty for living too long. It calls to mind the Ship of Theseus. Replacing yourself gradually over time with the new, and the possibility for endless renewal, you become something you begin to rebel against. It’s possible for you to become something you begin to detest. The only answer is to actively reject the replacement of yourself.There is the vampire genre of literature. The problem of the vampire is his immortality. Not a big fan of Anne Rice but she portrayed in brilliantly. I think living beyond your time would be deeply unsatisfying for the hedonist. It might be acceptable to those more intellectually inclined but only for a time. Even these would succumb eventually to a profound ennui. I knew an old man once who fought fiercely for the little bit of time he had left. He argued that he wanted to see what would come next. Ironically, he died just before the 2008-2009 financial crisis, an event that he had been prophesying for years.
Evil Sandmich #440683 January 23, 2025 11:36 am 6
One video game I played had an immortal character who had been driven insane by the longevity of his life, of seeing everything he knew repeatedly die. As a different character put it, the toxins of life had slowly poisoned his soul since they could never be released.
Peter Piper #440749 January 23, 2025 1:53 pm 5
“Immortality consists largely of boredom-” (Star Trek)
rayj #440804 January 23, 2025 4:14 pm 1
Seems thataway logically, but that’s because we apply our experiences of time to the eternal condition, where there is no time. Where there is no time, there is no boredom.
Alzaebo #440792 January 23, 2025 3:25 pm 0
From a book of last words said, my favorite is the successful businessman: “Still so much left to do…”
Tom K #440842 January 23, 2025 6:00 pm 2
Sam Kinison, at peak of his fame age 38: “Why now Lord?… Okay, okay, okay.”
Steve #440853 January 23, 2025 6:50 pm 1
A couple years before that, I had to take the ditch on Needles Highway when some chowderhead did much the same thing as the guy who killed Kinison. Just like happens way too often in Texas, most people are crappy judges of distance when there’s no trees or buildings or anything to give them a sense of scale.
Andy Texan #440882 January 23, 2025 11:37 pm 1
At 21 I had to leave the road on a 2-lane highway in the Texas panhandle to avoid a head on collision. The car that caused this near disaster never did return to his side of the highway. Much of the road had no graded shoulder but I got lucky.
The Wild Geese Howard #440864 January 23, 2025 7:57 pm 1
The problem of the vampire is his immortality. The problems of immortality were touched on at points in theHighlanderfilms and TV series.
c matt #440659 January 23, 2025 10:54 am 12
For the ones who focus on AI assistance as a way to upload their consciousness to a computer or cloud, they focus too much on the “I” and not enough on the “A”. I can take a damn good picture of the Mona Lisa with my cell phone. But it will never be the Mona Lisa.
N.S. Palmer #440650 January 23, 2025 10:39 am 12
“That’s why people in prosperous countries react to trivial problems as if they were life-or-death struggles. Theyhaveno life-or-death struggles, but they need them. We need to feel that our lives have a significance beyond our span of years. We hope we’ll achieve some great good to survive us and to remind the world that we were here. But when the worst social problems are who gets to use which bathroom or used the wrong pronoun, we feel bereft. Where is the great challenge we can overcome, the invincible monster we can defeat, the intolerable wrong we can set right? Where is our chance to be remembered, even if only by a few?”—Why Sane People Believe Crazy ThingsSecond Edition
Hun #440640 January 23, 2025 10:17 am 12
How can an ugly little and unhealthy looking troll like Ray Kurzweil be selling life-extension ideas?
pyrrhus #440632 January 23, 2025 10:07 am 12
Talk about maximum hubris! The human body is orders of magnitude more complex than anything produced by these tech boys, and really, it shouldn’t work…Trillions of operations are going on each second in your body, and any significant failure rate would kill you..Based on my past life regressions, and millions of others, the soul is immortal and we do have a choice to reincarnate…But for the atheists among us, the question is why you would want to live past 100, in a worn out body often confined to your bedroom…Because entropy (2d law of thermodynamics) is constant, and everything wears down to zero in the end…
N.S. Palmer #440660 January 23, 2025 10:54 am 6
Keep in mind that physical laws are descriptive, not prescriptive. The Second Law describes the situations we’ve observed, but it is not engraved on immutable stone tablets. Disordered states are more numerous and probable than ordered states, but life itself defeats that reality at least for a while. Many scientific advances involve extending the length of time that we can hold entropy at bay. That might not be forever, but it can at least be a longer time.
catdog #440748 January 23, 2025 1:53 pm 11
“at this stage it is mostly used for creating clever memes”It is mostly used for fraud, scams, and spam. As should be expected from a product that is designed to convincingly imitate humans and the products of the human mind. AI proliferation has made the internet significantly worse, and it’s starting to make the real world worse too. Miles of the most beautiful scenery in the country, near me, are slated to be bulldozed to build power infrastructure for an AI datacenter. Destroying real squirrels to replace them with pictures of AI squirrels.These tech dorks are more of a threat than the wokesters ever were.
Lakelander #440800 January 23, 2025 4:06 pm 5
What, you don’t like these AI generated youtube ads? You don’t want to be sold penis pills and stock trading programs by these digital jackals?! In regards to the data centers…how well are their power supplies going to be protected? If the tech dorks don’t watch out, they may have bands of 21st century Luddites to contend with.
Vegetius #440744 January 23, 2025 1:44 pm 11
BUTLERIAN JIHAD NOW
Bartleby the Scrivner #440630 January 23, 2025 10:05 am 11
Thought provoking post.In my opinion, not a single person who ever drew a breath, wants to die. That said, I’m getting to the point where I’m starting to understand suicide. No one ever wants to die; what they want is whatever is happening in their life, that is overwhelming, to stop.I’ve had a good life. Not perfect, but a hell of a ride to say the least. The thing that is starting to overwhelm me is the suffering that is on display every day. It’s in our face. And the people dishing it out, are doing it with impunity.It makes me wonder why, as Z pointed out, some would want to live extended lives, or forever.There is a movie called “Bicentennial Man”, that was about an android that, over time, became “human”. He had the ability to live eternally, but choose death, because he realized he was outliving everything that he loved.Finally, I have a question for the gallery.It is my opinion that after death, one of two things happens. Either;A) Oblivion-the plug is pulled and its lights out, you don’t even know you existed,orB) There is something “after”; Heaven/Hell/Reincarnation/and any other “awareness” of being dead, but existing.I often wonder if I’m missing a third result. If anyone can shed light, I would appreciate it.
Montefrío #440645 January 23, 2025 10:31 am 1
I’ve been a Zen “adept” (as practitioners are known) for more than 60 years and what might be called your “third result” is that your individuated self experiences a combination of A & B. To wit: your individuated identity consciousness is dropped, either voluntarily or through extinction; if the former, consciousness survives in a transcended but non-individuate manner, in the latter, well, lights out or maybe reincarnation. The ground belief behind this is that all simplyIS,individuation is illusory as is time.
Piffle #440691 January 23, 2025 11:46 am 3
This is the same option as “sleep forever”. If I lack an individual consciousness after this life, then the self is dead.
Alzaebo #440801 January 23, 2025 4:08 pm 2
Agree with Piffle. The “why” evaporates. The Hindu concept of sinking into an incohate mass is a horror to us; that to escape pain, the ultimate purpose of life is to become a rock, or an ooze, or smoke, or a fire, with as much meaning or thought? To rise from an ooze only to become one again; why then happen at all? Why suffer suffering? This reduces us to a meaningless churning without purpose or direction. What comfort, what explanation, what drive is in that?Anything is permissable, because nothing matters, there is no difference between good and evil.
Alzaebo #440796 January 23, 2025 3:46 pm 0
Thank you Bartleby and Montefrio; there is a continuance, a something real enough to be measured; Montefrio gets a bit into the mechanics, the specific “how”, in part, of how that something functions. Parts of us remain while containing the whole of what we lived. Holographic storage rather than linear, collective yet still retaining individuality…for a time.Immaterial as well as organic; the two forms are necessary redundancies of each other. In short, no, we don’t just go “poof”.Life, a biosphere, occurs to overcome that “poof”.We are the essential froth to spark the Universe’s cycling.
Piffle #440648 January 23, 2025 10:36 am 12
I can’t think of a 3rd option. It’s either sleep forever or something after death. I didn’t come back to Christianity because I wanted eternal life. I just wanted to fill a gap that existed in this life.However, if we ask the question why God might want humans to have eternal life, we could borrow the answer from a particular carpenter from Nazareth. “Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive.”.In other words, why would God make a bunch of dead people? What’s the point? No, we are eternal creatures that need to suffer death as well. Given a world of suffering and just general fallenness, however, death can be seen as a blessing. Wanting to live forever on this planet is insanity. Wanting eternal life in general is just an alignment of human desires with God’s.
rayj #440705 January 23, 2025 12:07 pm 2
Solid.
Dutchboy #440789 January 23, 2025 3:20 pm 2
“And if Christ be not risen again, your faith is vain, for you are yet in your sins.”1 Cor 15:17It is the cornerstone of Christian faith that Christ rose from the dead and that his faithful followers will do the same. It is the only thing that makes the horror of death bearable.
Piffle #440809 January 23, 2025 4:25 pm 3
Yes, I agree. It was not a foundation I understood, though, until long after regular church going became a habit for me. I had to work through many issues. People come at Christianity through endless angles and doors. Wanting eternal life was not one of mine.
rayj #440859 January 23, 2025 7:02 pm 1
Yes. No resurrection, no faith. Death, where now is thy victory? will be the future mockery, and not via AI.
Arthur Bryan #440658 January 23, 2025 10:51 am 7
You have the choices. I recommend (B) and coping with the doubt.“Wishing that God may exist, and acting and feeling as if He did exist. And desiring God’s existence and acting conformably with this desire, is the means whereby we create God—that is, whereby God creates Himself in us, manifests Himself to us, opens and reveals Himself to us. For God goes out to meet him who seeks Him with love and by love, and hides Himself from him who searches for Him with the cold and loveless reason. God wills that the heart should have rest, but not the head, reversing the order of the physical life in which the head sleeps and rests at times while the heart wakes and works unceasingly. And thus knowledge without love leads us away from God; and love, even without knowledge, and perhaps better without it, leads us to God, and through God to wisdom. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God!” (Unamuno)
Piffle #440693 January 23, 2025 11:47 am 1
It’s the real Pascal’s wager.
rayj #440662 January 23, 2025 10:59 am 11
B. But there is no such thing as reincarnation. That nonsense came outta the East and is a control mechanism.
Piffle #440695 January 23, 2025 11:52 am 2
Reincarnation is wanting this life forever for some reason.
Jeffrey Zoar #440707 January 23, 2025 12:09 pm 1
Just heaven and hell by different means. You get a “better” next life if you were “good,” and a “worse” one if you were “bad.”
Piffle #440725 January 23, 2025 12:56 pm 3
Sure, but the difference between a Brahmin and untouchable is a matter of wealth and class. It’s not like the Brahmin has been promised no pain, illness, bad fortune, suffering or been exempt from witnessing all those things.Actual Heaven involves “no more tears” to borrow from a few hymns here and there.
rayj #440802 January 23, 2025 4:11 pm 2
Christian heaven is very different from the Hindoo or Buddhist conceptions. There is neither rebirth nor reincarnation in Christian doctrine. No passing through millions of incarnations, only to start again at zero. Yeah great, thanks for crushing my spirit. Lots to look forward to there! And Nirvana is just another dead band.
Compsci #440843 January 23, 2025 6:06 pm 1
Not really. The Indian families have selected for millennium those of the same or higher castes to intermarry with. Wealth is a proxy for intelligence. Hence through assortative mating the intellectual ability of the caste is risen.This theory has been shown in the book by Clark.“The Son Also Rises” is a book written by Gregory Clark, an economist and historian. The book, published in 2014, explores the role of intergenerational persistence in determining economic and social outcomes over long periods of time. Clark uses data from various historical and contemporary societies to argue that social mobility is far slower than most people think and that family lineage and inherited traits play a significant role in determining success or failure.Similarly, Reich concludes much the same in his book reference above. Don’t let the concept of “inherited traits” detract from the real finding, IQ superiority of the higher castes. There are things that can’t be openly spoken of in the academic circle these two authors must traverse.
Piffle #440865 January 23, 2025 8:00 pm 1
Being wealthy and being on the deep end of the genetics pool is not all there is to life. Does all of that prevent even the supposed wisest of them from suffering death? Does it stop a cold or a cancer? Or your beloved toddler from an accident? Most of the people you’re talking about aren’t apparently high IQ enough to “get” that their vegetarianism is holding back their overall health. How many high caste children don’t exist because their protein sources are suboptimal? And that’s the “smart” people in India.Your post unfortunately demonstrates my point about missing the bigger picture. The wise/rich and the poor/foolish can only look to the grave and there’s only suffering along the way. Hoping to reincarnate as a Brahmin is no hope at all, which is why they have to add a destination that’s something like Heaven but not really.
Compsci #440874 January 23, 2025 9:35 pm 1
No one spoke about Indian beliefs. Certainly not I. Only that in the case of the Indian caste system that was created a millennia or more ago, it worked to maintain and improve the racial stock of the caste and explains much of the differences found among castes. You maintained the differences were basically *environment*, i.e. cultural and SES. In short, take an “untouchable” and raise him in a different environment and you can produce a Brahmin.You are simply mistaken and your analysis is completely incorrect as shown repeated through the same misconception we have had here in America for more than three generations. We’ve spent billions and the races have never converged. Neither will the castes in India, because *genetics*.Also the book “The Son Also Rises” takes most of its findings from the West, specifically British records, and has nothing to do with Indian caste system, but rather the development of smarter people over time via outbreeding the poorer. That’s basically how we came to the Industrial Revolution via a form of Darwinian selection.
Alzaebo #440815 January 23, 2025 4:42 pm 0
Spot on, Zoar, although these folks seem to forget the whole “resurrection” angle, and how integral it was to the Hebrew model from the very beginning. Reincarnation, I’ve read, was commonly accepted in the early Church days until excised as not useful to the Church’s nascent ruling class. They wanted the power to threaten with finality. As to the Hindu model, yup, they only kept a piece of it, warping their extrapolations…same as with the Hebrews.
Piffle #440866 January 23, 2025 8:05 pm 1
“whole “resurrection” angle, and how integral it was to the Hebrew model from the very beginning.”The religion of the Israelites (Hebrew was only a language they spoke and it was not spoken in Jesus’ day) only slowly revealed the idea of a general resurrection. It does not formally appear anywhere in the written Scriptures until the very late OT. It does come up in Psalms indirect way.“Reincarnation, I’ve read, was commonly accepted in the early Church days until excised as not useful to the Church’s nascent ruling class. They wanted the power to threaten with finality.”Reincarnation was never accepted in the early Church. Jesus never talks once about reincarnation. I know it can feel like Christianity is about power trip. Ironically, that’s the Marxist view of all religion. However, Christians through time are a group of people who are dedicated to the love of truth, which is love of God. I can tell when people have read about Christianity from secular academics who could careless if they are getting correct versus interacting with the material itself.
rayj #440872 January 23, 2025 9:23 pm 0
Yes. The chosen Son of Father, Christ, identifies as the Truth, capital T. When we sincerely seek after the truth in this world, and follow along it, eventually we end up at The Truth, which is the Lord — Jeshua. He is both the source and the destination of all truth.
Vizzini #440672 January 23, 2025 11:15 am 7
In my opinion, not a single person who ever drew a breath, wants to die. That’s self-evidently untrue, or we wouldn’t have suicide statistics. There are certainly some subset of those who simply long for oblivion.
Arshad Ali #440689 January 23, 2025 11:44 am 5
“In my opinion, not a single person who ever drew a breath, wants to die.” But why? I have no problem shrugging off this mortal coil (not that I’m actively courting death, mind). There are probably many people just like me.
Alzaebo #440824 January 23, 2025 4:59 pm 0
Please, folks, a warning to all in your final days: there will be a day your body takes over, you will be gabbling, consumed with terror. It only lasts a bit, so to the ‘no fear’ types, don’t be surprised, it’s only your body talking.
Compsci #440845 January 23, 2025 6:10 pm 1
The problem is perhaps not the aspect of death as the final outcome, but the process of death. Most of us know of those who died in seemingly painful ways, more so I suspect than knowing those who passed painlessly and without much suffering.
Steve #440860 January 23, 2025 7:19 pm 1
My experience is quite different. I know only a few who died in pain. One from emphysema, the rest cancer. One I’m absolutely positive checked out by taking extra morphine. The look on the nurse’s face when she was collecting his meds was all it took to confirm my suspicions.Most have checked out in their sleep. This includes most of the pets I’ve had. My mom might have been “assisted” by dehydration, but most of my kin have been up and moving around no more than a day or two before the end. Including my dad, who died about a year ago in his late 90s.
The Infant Pheonomenon #440711 January 23, 2025 12:21 pm 0
https://www.nderf.org/
Alzaebo #440816 January 23, 2025 4:43 pm 0
Thanks so much, Infant. Still so much left to do; I must heal.Yes, I’m rolling my eyes solely at the inaccuracy of certain sentiments, not at the sentiments themselves, which reflect that certain something inside.
Zulu Juliet #440715 January 23, 2025 12:31 pm 3
Only one way to find out….
Arshad Ali #440620 January 23, 2025 9:52 am 10
I’m speculating but perhaps ideas like the ones Richard Morgan floated in his trilogy (Altered Carbon, Broken Angels, Woken Furies) have some traction with the Tech Bros — a future where consciousness itself has been digitised.As for the trends in AI and other massive computing projects, they leave me disturbed. To my mind they are anti-life. These projects require a massive amount of electricity and mineral resources at the expense of the biosphere. We already know this from bitcoin mining. There’s a good recent essay at NLR on energy and mineral consumption which is quite revealing:https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/exponential-abyssTrump himself is a pawn — probably an unwitting pawn — in these massive projects. Meanwhile, according to Mike Whtney writing on the Unz site, the Chinese may already be far ahead of the Tech Bros in these efforts, and at a fraction of resource use:https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/chinas-deepseek-bombshell-rocks-trumps-500b-ai-boondoggle/
Jeffrey Zoar #440628 January 23, 2025 10:03 am 16
It’s possible that our much discussed schism among the “elites” is nothing more than a squabble over who will control the AI
Jack Dobson #440633 January 23, 2025 10:07 am 7
That’s an impressive theory and possibly what is actually happening. It would be wonderful if the camps were divided over how to use AI but if this is the point of friction you are right, it boils down to control.
Hemid #440760 January 23, 2025 2:23 pm 1
That’s what the one who isn’t Thiel but also appears on Rogan’s show says. (Knowing nerds’ names is against my religion.) Governments want this new technology—I don’t see the novelty of it, but it doesn’t matter if it’s really there or not; they believe it—used for political repression and insider economic gain. The “bros” want to use it to end beauty and humanity and civilization forever. They seem to have reached a compromise.
Pozymandias #440795 January 23, 2025 3:42 pm 3
Supposedly the thing that created the Musk-Trump-Bezos-Zuckerberg axis was the realization that the Entity-that-controls-Biden also wanted draconian controls on AI. The MTBZ entity won the fight and will now move ahead with a much more “libertarian” program for AI. I think this is for the best actually.
Tom K #440870 January 23, 2025 9:02 pm 2
Whatever AI is, it seems to be the ultimate ‘yes’ man/woman. It tries to agree with everything an interlocutor asks except for certain tabu topics. Then it spews out the boilerplate pozzed nonsense of course. I would like to see a Based AI incorporating the American Pravda series compiled by Ron Unz. What we have now is a “patch” after the alarm created by the OG Raciss AI, which was amusingly spontaneous.
Pozymandias #440936 January 24, 2025 2:31 pm 0
Gab actually has a number of different AI persons you can talk to. They don’t seem to have any qualms about “morally questionable” characters so you can chat with Hitler or Attila any time you like. I think if you pay for a non-free subscription you can create your own AI so perhaps you can feed it on a diet rich in Unz or whomever. I don’t know much about thequalityof these AIs of course. In general their AI seems weaker than ChatGPT but I expected that since they don’t have the money the CGPT has backing it.
Hun #440649 January 23, 2025 10:38 am 14
Trump himself is a pawn — probably an unwitting pawn — in these massive projects. Yeah, I doubt he understands what he is doing. He just wants to make a deal with the cool nerds.
The Infant Pheonomenon #440710 January 23, 2025 12:16 pm 2
Next stop: Planet of the Apes
Hokkoda #440873 January 23, 2025 9:23 pm 9
They intend to transfer their consciousness into AI, and then export it into avatars. Hopefully, there’s a mess up in the lab and Jeff Bezos gets uploaded to the Roomba of a cat lady, and spends an eternity vacuuming cat pee stained carpets…
fakeemail #440734 January 23, 2025 1:33 pm 8
“psyche suffers from having lived beyond the natural limit.” Humans suffer because they are too disconnected from what is natural. Death is where we were before we were born. We were born to die. Sunrise, sunset. It has to be accepted. “Ye shall be as gods” is the oldest trick in the book.
Gespenst #440817 January 23, 2025 4:44 pm 0
Annihilation has no terrors for me, because I have already tried it before I was born -a hundred million years -and I have suffered more in an hour, in this life, than I remember to have suffered in the whole hundred million years put together. There was a peace, a serenity, an absence of all sense of responsibility, an absence of worry, an absence of care, grief, perplexity; and the presence of a deep content and unbroken satisfaction in that hundred million years of holiday which I look back upon with a tender longing and with a grateful desire to resume, when the opportunity comes.…Mark Twain
Tarl Cabot #440675 January 23, 2025 11:24 am 8
Technology is teleology. If a thing can be done, it will be done, if there is an advantage in doing so. On a long enough time frame, no moral or philosophical objection will prevent anything which is truly useful.This is why I fear that the Panopticon is inevitable. It is simply too useful to TPTB. If we must have tyranny, then at least let be a tyranny which has as its object the preservation of my people and culture, as China does for the Han.However, if everyone becomes a Kurzweillian cyborg whose “defects” are corrected with CRISPR, bionics and nanobots, let alone a disembodied consciousness in the internet ether, what’s the point of any of it?As in the Iliad, the gods may come to envy mortals.
miforest #440664 January 23, 2025 11:00 am 7
I am certian that AI is used for much more nefarious purposed than making memes, we are just not privy to that info. not wild about trumps delegat to head thishttps://seemorerocks.substack.com/p/meet-larry-ellison-leader-of-the?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=630659&post_id=155476198&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=o2w9y&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Mr. House #440774 January 23, 2025 2:52 pm 6
A random thought for the readers: Do you guys remember Elizabeth Holmes and her wonder test that would be able to diagnose any disease you might have from a drop of blood? She was a democrat/power elite darling until the fraud was pointed out. I wonder if her “test” was going to be the original PCR test for 2020? She started getting press in the early 2010’s and had Kissinger on her board. If he had lived, i believe that Kerry Mullis, the creator of PCR would have spoken out about its use and Faucci. Convenient he died when he did, but just a random thought and dot connecting i had the other day.
Gespenst #440814 January 23, 2025 4:38 pm 4
George Schultz was another former Secretary of State on Holmes’s board of directors. His nephew warned him it was a scam, so he disowned the nephew.
Mr. House #440832 January 23, 2025 5:24 pm 2
lots of big names:Henry Kissinger (former United States Secretary of State);Jim Mattis (retired Marine Corps four-star general);George Shultz (former United States Secretary of State);Richard Kovacevich(former CEO ofWells Fargo);William Perry (former United States Secretary of Defense); andWilliam Foege(former director of theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention).With regards to covid, lots of people are thinking it was a DOD operation. Lots of DOD names on that board. And tech people do, trying to engineer their dystopia of everyone having a digital ID and vaccine passports with CBDC? Thought exp. If you’re used up all easy to access resources by pursuing endless growth, and you’ve jacked up the population of the world but all the low hanging fruit are gone, and you don’t have enough cheap energy left to accommodate the illusion of endless growth anymore, logic would suggest you start trying to convince people that they should forgo a better lifestyle. Be poor, save the planet! And if you can’t convince them of that, kill them with a jab that will take a few years to manifest and nobody would be able to blame it on you because they’ll all have moved on with their lives by the time it hits? Who would run a program like that? Seems to me it would fall to the military, they’ll be dealing with the chaos anyways if people did find out.
Dutchboy #440776 January 23, 2025 2:56 pm 5
I would prefer a healthier life rather than a greatly extended lifespan. I also don’t like the mRNA technology they are touting as one of the keys to this longevity. It is dangerous and we have been down that road before. The tech oligarchs also seem to be sold on AI mass surveillance, another abomination. We didn’t vote for any of this stuff, nor to incorporate Greenland and Canada into the USA or to seize the Panama Canal. I hope Trump is not serious about this stuff; he needs to keep his eye on the ball and ignore this distracting crap.
Christopher Chantrill #440719 January 23, 2025 12:44 pm 5
I would have thought that reading about Heinlein’s Lazarus Long inTime Enough for Lovewould cure anyone of living forever.
Gespenst #440732 January 23, 2025 1:32 pm 1
Aldous Huxley’sAfter Many a Summer Dies the Swanwill also do it.
rayj #440807 January 23, 2025 4:21 pm 5
Yeah eternal life got panned on the Twilight Zone too.
Alzaebo #440831 January 23, 2025 5:17 pm 0
Ha! I was so pissed I tore that book in half and threw it across the room.
Moran ya Simba #440708 January 23, 2025 12:13 pm 5
Real immortality is mathematically impossible. But life spans counted in centuries rather than decades would be nice. Once we get that (if ever?) some will want millennia instead of centuries. Seen as dementia is already a common problem after say eight decades, that suggests the human brain doesn’t have the memory capacity for such life spans. So now they’ll have to expand the brain.I doubt it will get that far. Modern creature comforts aside, our behavior is still very close to that of chimps. We fight each other all the time. If China reached immortality escape velocity, I’m sure the NSA would try to crash it
Alzaebo #440847 January 23, 2025 6:21 pm 4
Ah shoot. I forgot to mention a point about Larry Ellison’s claim to cure cancers with self-tailored mRNA; odd that he should be gibbering about curing an explosion in cancers, conveniently after those very cancers were induced. It’s almost as if somebody had already had planned both the problem, and the response…to their immense and everlasting profit. The Church of Mammon’s highest spirituality is gangsters, conmen, pimps, and killers.
Walrus Aurelius #440822 January 23, 2025 4:53 pm 4
The struggle to prolong life is all over science fiction and the sense is always “long life is a monkey’s paw”. It’s harder to prolong joy than suffering, and living in an imperfect universe becomes hellish as you watch every young generation coming up make the same mistakes again and again and again. In theory you accumulate wisdom, but what you really accumulate is regret. It’s all variations on that theme.The guys who talk about reversing aging are more interesting but that’s also tied into it in the fiction : men at 300 years who are still functionally in their 40s, who can barely function from the emotional weight of all the human nonsense they’ve had to deal with.It’d be cool to live longer, in good health, but functionally there has to be a limit, because living here becomes a Hell even if you could get everything you want by doing it
Jeffrey Zoar #440867 January 23, 2025 8:23 pm 0
It would require a real mental/emotional pansy to be incapable of adapting to longer life with a good body. (I don’t dispute that a great many qualify.) Do you ever see that “inability to function due to the emotional weight of all the human nonsense they’ve had to deal with” in the centenarians of our time? Yeah, me neither. The opposite, usually.
Walrus Aurelius #440883 January 23, 2025 11:57 pm 0
Cause most centenarians are well aware they’re at the end of their life, there are no more expectations on them, and they’ve either done everything they want to or have decided they wouldn’t have liked it anyway. But imagine, for instance, being 150 and still having to get up for work at a job you thought you’d be done with 30 years ago I’d everything panned out but it never quite did.Old age brings wisdom because there is some urgency in learning from your mistakes, and part of that wisdom is letting go of a bunch of stuff you can’t change. If being a centenarian meant you were still in the prime of your life, you’d probably still have trouble grasping that wisdom.
TempoNick #440703 January 23, 2025 12:07 pm 4
“AI powered drones hunt for men.” Sounds like a movie to me.
Whiskey #440846 January 23, 2025 6:16 pm 3
It is interesting, the DC judges are flatly refusing to honor Trump’s pardons, and are sentencing people still. Other federal prisons are transferring pardoned people to the middle of the nation and dumping them out penniless with no id. So its a direct challenge to Trump.Also, there is brewing the Sam Altman vs. Elon Musk fight. Altman remains the pool boy for Linkedin Reid Hoffman, who was sorry Trump was not made a martyr. And remains a poo-flinging lib. I would expect Altman and probably OpenAI (its not open — its Hoffman/Gates/MS) to be tossed out of Project Stargate.Already you are seeing the Resistance congregate, around Elizabeth Warren, definitely on the Warpath.Reading the Ross Douthat interview via Archive.is on the NYT with Andreesen, yes the managerial blob from employees to Fortune 500 CEOs started to scare owners by threatening to take over their entire companies. This is inevitable — the ambition of Warren is unbounded (who through appointing most of her cronies and former staff to it controls the DeBanking Goverment org — Consumer Financial Protection Board — debanking is done by telling banks the person is “controversial” and will result in extra scrutiny). Of course she wants to run every company. Of course the Managerial blob will tell Silicon Valley there will be no AI free for all, just a few run by Warren or some WH staffer, all big companies, textbook definition fascist stasis corporatism. Laungishing like Franco and Spain in the early 1970s.But the biggest issue is War. Peace is over, if you want it. All we are saying, is give War a chance. Larry Fink is now saying that “xenophobic” nations like China, Japan, South Korea are enjoying more wealth and power, and that demographic decline is not a concern there, because of AI and robots. And that the West hooked on phonics and cheap labor, is falling behind, not only in standard of living but productive capacity.War with China, coming as they take over Taiwan, North Korea flattens South Korea, and China also takes Guam, southern Japan, parts of the Philippines, and probably Hawaii and the Aleutians, will be a mass industrial war with all that implies. Massive technological and manpower mobilization. Greenland: needed for resources. Annex Canada? Get resources and manpower. Annex the UK, manpower and an unsinkable aircraft carrier. Europe? Too far gone to add anything. This is resource, territory, manpower consolidation of a national empire knowing its current resources, military, industrial capacity, are fake and gay.
Steve #440858 January 23, 2025 7:01 pm 5
Trump should just ask for volunteers from the US Marshals for a special MAGA operation. Maybe they would guess correctly, but to keep the deep state swine from screwing it up (like they did with Homan’s op) keep everything on the down-low. Their mission, revealed only in the vehicles en route, is to arrest every stinking judge and attorney ignoring the pardons. This includes the chicanery at the DC prisons. Liberate the pardoned, toss everyone working there into the cells, and deny them bail until their cases come up sometime in the Vance administration.
Hemid #440879 January 23, 2025 10:34 pm 2
The prison in my childhood hometown let freed inmates out at three a.m. because that’s the time that would most inconvenience whoever was picking them up, and if they had no one to fetch them, everything had been closed for long enough that nobody was driving around to hitch a ride with, and no hotel or motel would let them in.They were always released without identification, which was already in the mail to the address thereon, where they might not have lived in years and definitely hadn’t kept up their rent.The guards especially enjoyed tripping last-day inmates into other guards and beating them almost to death in retaliation for the “assault,” then shoving them out into the night, sometimes unable to walk.When the marshals in your plan found out what they’d signed up for, they’d mutiny.There are no good cops.
Martoks Eyepatch #440830 January 23, 2025 5:17 pm 2
Those people are religious, trust me. They don’t believe that we possess souls, but think they can become as gods through technology. Omega points and whatnot. C.S Lewis wrote about this. Remind you of anything? The whole culture since the 60s has been pickling in this New Age crap but it goes back a long way. “Cosmism is a philosophical and cultural movement founded in the early 20th century by Nikolai Federovich Fedorov. Considered by his devotees “the Socrates of Moscow,” it is said that Federov’s philosophical formulation was cultivated through an Orthodox Christian perspective which is odd, because he seems to have completely abandoned it in favor of other schools of thought percolating among the intellectuals of that time.”The video below will give you an excellent primer on all this stuff. Elon features in it, and there’s another video on her site all about him.https://www.saltradioministries.com/post/the-cosmist-immortalists-and-the-ai-god-of-outer-space
Steve W #440819 January 23, 2025 4:47 pm 2
The two inescapable facts of our existence are death, and taxes. If death is eliminated, that leaves just taxes. Is science pursuing the solution to these as well? I’d really like to know because I can’t work much longer. I’d dread living forever in some digital workhouse or debtor’s prison. Maybe we’ll be the happy few sent to Mars for that other entirely sane idea (also promoted by the Donald).
Pozymandias #440803 January 23, 2025 4:14 pm 2
This probably won’t be a popular post and might be a bit rambling but here goes. I’ll say that I actually think the quest for life-extension (I won’t talk about immortality**) is a good thing and represents a nice turn towards what you might call retro-futurism and away from dreary totalitarian Green dystopias where everyone is only allowed so many kWh of energy per day and has to live in a mile high bug-hive.For too long the Left has dominated people’s vision of the future. The assumption here seems to be that because Leftist cretins have propagated a vision of technological progress enabling their particular coercive ideas of “social progress” that it must be so. Life extension just means people living longer and hopefully being healthier for longer. Everyone seems to attach their own ideological baggage to it and then forms their view of it from there. Somehow “could be” becomes “must be”. You see this with virtually every topic that has anything to do with science or technology. The climate issue is another example. If you grant that human CO2 emissions account for a lot of the measured warming everyone, Right, Left, and Woketard, assumes the need to confiscate all the muscle cars and force everyone to eat bug-burgers.This very discussion is another example. Somehow everyone assumes that “mind uploading” is the central idea of “immortality” while ignoring the much more plausible and sensible idea of simply extending the span of healthy living.immortality**: And this is a further example of what I mean. Once you introduce the idea of any sort of “infinity” you have all sorts of bizarre paradoxes to resolve. Look up “Hilbert’s Hotel” for just one. This is not necessary to the discussion of life extension though.
Bitter reactionary #440784 January 23, 2025 3:13 pm 2
A lot of wisdom in the comments, but I find life less enjoyable at 50 than it was at 25. If somehow a rejuvenation tech (that clearly worked) became available, I’d happily pay if I could afford it. Eventually I’ll die by misadventure, so the threat of living forever seems remote.And if a cheap mass manufacturing method could be devised (like for the hated MRNA poison) the profit margin would be immense – better than narcotics. Lets say you could get 1 year’s worth of rejuv/de-aging for $50,000 each, people would be lined up around the block dropping hundreds of thousands. De-aging 10 years is easily worth half a million bucks for anyone upper middle class or higher.
Steve retiredrecovering lawyer #440893 January 24, 2025 7:06 am 1
For someone who generally has a good grasp on things upon which he opines, I am disappointed that your understanding of Christianity is so superficial and frankly wrong. Good people don’t go to heaven. There are no good people. Heaven is populated by people who humbly accept the gift of eternal life provided by Jesus, resulting from His atoning sacrifice. I am sure this will cause no end of scoffing and harrumphing among the smart set of atheist followers of your blog, but I don’t care. It’s worth it to tell the truth.
Ride-By Shooter #440903 January 24, 2025 10:34 am 0
Good people don’t go to heaven. There are no good people.You are surely correct that “Good people don’t go to heaven”, but we need to handle that assertion with care. In trinitarianism, Jesus is supposed to be fully human (Heb. 2). He is, or was, one of the people. Therefore, given what you repeated about there being no good humans, it follows that Jesus was not good, which is just what we ought to have suspected as soon as we learned that he affirmed Israel’s torah(s) and other elements of tanakh. So Jesus did not go to heaven, and in fact our science has shown the alleged ascensions of Jesus and Elijah to be ridiculous.Beware of appeals to egoism. They’re dangerous snares, like “this Constitution”, a populist document which begins with an astonishingly successful lie.
Steve #440913 January 24, 2025 11:42 am 0
That’s why you have to parse that “original sin” stuff a little closely. People were born vulnerable to temptation, and all but The One has failed to resist temptation. Some sects interpret that concept way too broadly. Seems silly to pretend that somein utero“clump of cells” had sinned just because of the pronouncement of some holy man a millennia ago.
Known Fact #441028 January 26, 2025 10:39 am 0
I recently happened to rewatch a short-lived 1970 TV series called The Immortal — Christopher George plays a regular guy who learns he is not aging and his blood can confer this same health and longevity on others. So he’s on the run from an evil tycoon who wants to buy him or imprison him if need be for that blood. Thinking about all this at 70 raises deeper questions than when I was 15, but the series barely hints at these issues, veering off into a pale copy of The Fugitive.
El Jefe Unterseebooten #440947 January 24, 2025 3:19 pm 0
The whole conversation about “AI immortatlity” always makes me think of the Mechanicus faction of Warhammer 40k, or “Otherland” by Tad Williams – a strange series of books I read in the 90’s. https://youtu.be/9gIMZ0WyY88?si=pBOTq3y9Vjcc863O– Mechanicus trailer
Steav #440891 January 24, 2025 6:45 am 0
Deportation Video – Fox rides along with I.C.E. on deportation raidshttps://commoncts.blogspot.com/2025/01/deportation-video-fox-rides-along-with.html
Alzaebo #440727 January 23, 2025 1:13 pm 0
I realized that the British are taking on the Hebrew or Israelite role in the narrative–a people who brought the light to mankind but are now becoming the darkness. The same could be said of their Colonies.


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