The Show Is Over

An interesting bit of subtext to the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO is how the reactions to it reflects the shifting politics in America. Twenty years ago, the general reaction online would have been what you see in television police dramas. The vast majority of the public would have been cheering on the police as they searched for the killer, while his family was paraded in front of the cameras. The dead guy would have been the unquestionable victim of a terrible crime.

On top of that, the people we call conservatives would have been waddling about in their comfort fit chinos, beating their chests about crime and the demonization of capitalism by the people we call the left. As soon as it was clear that the perpetrator was a white male, the people we call the left would have been tub-thumping about the need for gun control and maybe white male violence. Both sides would have done their act in front of predictably adoring audience.

Both sides have tried their normal act, but the world has changed and that means the audience is not as interested in the old shows. The people we call the left got this right away and stuck to giggling about the victim being the head of one of those evil health insurance companies they have been demonizing for decades. They were sure the killer was one of their own, due to his wearing a dark hoodie. In fact, a lot of people in the dissident camp assumed it was an Antifa too.

Based on the news reports, we can eliminate Antifa from the story. The guy they arrested has “pepe” in his social media profiles and is a fan of Uncle Ted, the avuncular character knowns as the Unabomber. While it is unlikely that he is “our guy”, he is clearly a young man who escaped the old political paradigm. He does not fit the left’s version of a hero or the right’s version of a villain. He has become a bit of a folk hero for many of the people who voted for Trump.

That last bit is what is vexing to the right-wing influencers. Their script does not have a section for this sort of character. The main job of conservatives is to celebrate and defend corporate power, but the bulk of their audience has long ago become fed-up by the abuses of corporate America. It was not the government banning them from the internet or cancelling their bank accounts. It is not the government race-swapping cultural content or running ads in favor of buggery.

There you see the big change in attitudes that is vexing legacy politics. For the last decade or so, it is the people we call the left who have been cheering on corporate America as they made war against our rights. The people we call conservatives sat silently as this went on. The CEO of United Healthcare could have been an anarcho-capitalist for anyone knows, but for the general public, he is the faceless symbol of corporate greed and avarice. People have had enough of it.

This case also reveals that the old American love of the outlaw is still there, buried under the piles of corporate slop. As the great Southern bard observed, outlaws touch the ladies somewhere deep down in their soul. America is a woman, so she has always had a love for the outlaw. The reason for that is the old frontier sensibility tells us that sometimes, you need the outlaw, because sometimes, a man needs killing and you cannot do that within the law.

That ties in neatly with the whiff of revolution in the air. The election of Donald Trump and the apparent acceptance of it by the political class has people thinking about more than just “owning the libs” in an election. To a lot of people, the bad guys look scared right now and this event feels like a nice reminder to them that there are worse things than losing an election. If the 2016 election was a warning to the ruling class, then the 2024 election is the final warning.

There is another angle here. The people we call the left have been demonizing health insurance companies for a long time. In typical booshie fashion, the rhetoric has gone well beyond factual criticism. Since Hillary Clinton waddled onto the stage, the left has been calling healthcare companies parasites that must be destroyed. Logically, it means the people running them are evil parasites who must be destroyed. Inside the real halls of power, people are making the obvious connection.

What the 2024 revealed is there has been a shift in the economic elite. Some members have figured out that there is real danger for them, and they backed Donald Trump and continue to back him as he prepares to take power. Elon Musk is not bunkmates with Trump by accident. This will not be a repeat of the first administration. Some members of the economic elite want reform because they do not want to be on the wrong end of the next viral assassination video.

In other words, it is not just the change in public attitudes that has the chattering classes vexed, but also the change in the economic elite. The killing of that CEO kicked over more than just the rock of public opinion. It revealed the growing angst of the economic elite in response to changing public opinion. Even though it was just one young man on a mission, it is a reminder that history has often pivoted on one man or one event, setting off a chain of events.

When the desires of the economic elite align with the desires of the populace, things can start happening in a hurry. That is the conclusion of this big study on how policy is formed in America. A decade ago, researchers discovered what has been obviously true since the dawn of time. Every society has an elite and they generally get what they want, despite public attitudes, but they always get what they want when they are on the side of the people.

This is why the chattering classes are struggling with this story. It is why they will put the whole thing on ignore now that the killer has been caught. They have been selected and trained to play particular roles in an old show, but now the curtain is falling on that show, so they must scramble for parts in the next show. The reason for that is the audience has changed and now the producers are changing along with them. Luigi Mangione put a bullet in all the old acts.


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Captain Willard #435536 December 10, 2024 9:05 am 77
Americans are tired of being told to compete and work hard when their daily reality is that corporate cartels run their lives. The Beatles’ “Day in the Life” can be rewritten to describe waking up to the Apple alarm, getting out of bed to take a cartel pharmaceutical, ordering junk from Amazon Siri, using a banking cartel credit card to pay, Googling directions to your new job working for a cartel while watching CNN talking about the MIC cartel bombing Syria while you eat processed foods from Archer Daniels. Oh, and your “health care insurance” bill is past due…….
BigJimSportCamper #435661 December 10, 2024 9:02 pm 7
Synchronicity II by The Police gives off the same vibe. “and every single meetingwith his so-called superioris a humiliating kick in the crotch”
Citizen of a Silly Country #435537 December 10, 2024 9:14 am 54
Not only the economic elite but the ethnic elite. The reaction to Oct. 7 and Israel’s response seems to have shaken the Jewish community. Those black and brown mercenaries brought in to push whites into minority status (all cheered on by corporate America) turned out to be not so sympathetic to the usual suspects.Jews just assumed that they would be on (and lead) Team Victim, but the brown horde puts them on Team Whitey whether they like it or not. As a result, colorblind civic nationalism is now in vogue rather than celebrating identity politics. Also, importing more of these race-noticing immigrants is no longer our best course.When you have the interests of the economic elite, the ethnic elite and the public align, things can change very quickly.
Jack Dobson #435556 December 10, 2024 11:38 am 19
Pretty much. But in their mythology, the Golem still gets totally out of control. The fear is palpable.
Citizen of a Silly Country #435567 December 10, 2024 11:57 am 22
It’s tough being a tiny minority trying to rule various tribes. Look at Syria. Being paranoid would be a necessary evolutionary adaptation, as would extreme ethnocentrism. The Golem will always get out of control because no one like to be ruled by foreigners, especially foreigners who view you as beneath them. I can only hope that the Asians are watching this and saying, no thanks.
Filthie #435575 December 10, 2024 12:14 pm 19
I pray for the copy cats – may there be many! 😂👍
Jack Dobson #435581 December 10, 2024 12:25 pm 2
Yeah, these malignant narcissists are useful….until they bite their masters. I expect non-stop demonization soon in the corporate press to try to forestall copycats. Here’s to paper shortages and power outages!
Horace #435593 December 10, 2024 12:40 pm 34
It is telling that the Irish prostitute Starmer publicly acknowledged the Great Replacement. I don’t believe for a second that he did so on his own. His Jewish handlers directed him. It is clear that at least some are rethinking the strategy whose implementation they inherited from their ancestors. That strategy is rooted in a fundamental truth: they hate us more than they love their own children.
BigJimSportCamper #435594 December 10, 2024 12:49 pm 21
Well Starmer is married to a jewess and they’re raising their children as jews so there’s that.
Jack Dobson #435596 December 10, 2024 12:53 pm 20
The richest part of Starmer’s acknowledgement is placing the blame on the Conservatives. Like all conservatives everywhere, the Tories had adopted Labour’s open borders policies to prove who the real xenophobes are!
RealityRules #435601 December 10, 2024 1:05 pm 35
Not only that, but they imported multiple rival elites. Vivek was the first taste of it. He rightly criticized the unthinking support for the greatest ally. He was spoken to and shut down and changed his tune quickly. He didn’t change his mind, he just read the room and did the needful to pursue power. If anything, more and more people will brush up against this and it will turn their palpable and legitimate criticism, met with roadblocks and quieting tactics, into a resentment and anger. They will be ambitious and powerful people on the ascent.Stephen Steinlighter’s big plan to ally with Asians to divide and conquer set 23 years ago may not work out as planned.The dispossessed majority also observed that nobody is sticking up for them. Still nobody is. Time for some strong somebodies to arrive and do that. A massive body of people will roar behind those somebodies. This support, lit by the fire of an existential arousal, will be extremely powerful.Throngs don’t know it, but they await their Alfred and his Aldermen. However, as soon as he arrives, they will know it and things will get extremely interesting.This rabble we improperly call an, “elite”, have created a massive incoherent mess.The same phenomenon is happening on the foreign front. They sit across the table from men who see people who promote buggery and sterilization of their sons as an enlistment tool. They see that these people have declared war on their own civilization and the people who are the true force in their military. They read these blogs and they know that domestically their hand is weakening.A weakening hand domestically, where they are rightly hated because of the decades of hatred they held for Americans, and a weakened hand on the foreign front as the frontiers of the empire are in turmoil. Who will they summons to help them? The attorney who hates White people and think they all must pay for the late 30s and early 40s – even those who fought to end it? That fish lipped twin of Richard Levine who in court makes it overtly racial calling the heroic martyr, “the white man.” I think they had the sense not to martyr Penny. As tragic as that would have been for him, it would have set the theatre on fire.Can they count on that white man and the others like him dying to display heroism? It isn’t heroic to lay down your life for those who despise you and spit their venom and spite at you.Yep. Some are waking up to the mess that has been made. There are 180 million Americans they could rally to their banner if they are willing to cross the Rubicon.It grows more interesting by the day.
TWP #435774 December 11, 2024 3:48 pm 1
Guess I’m in a big group. 180 million, a huge proportion heavily armed, could take over The World.
manc #435682 December 11, 2024 9:07 am 1
“Hello, fellow white people!” Ehh, nope. My town does a huge Christmas lighting display, all done by volunteers. Big tree in the village park, lights, pole trees, garland on the bridge. The local small hats did a menorah last year, for the first time after some intermittent whining about inclusivity, that looked like it was part of an airplane fuselage. I wonder if it makes an appearance this year.
usNthem #435530 December 10, 2024 8:52 am 51
Another interesting deal is Daniel Penny being exonerated – I was sure the fix was in on him. Of course the head blm jig has now threatened him, but who cares? The worm may be turning in multiple areas – hopefully.
Jeffrey Zoar #435545 December 10, 2024 11:11 am 39
It’s hard to seat a Manhattan jury that isn’t full of people who are afraid of crazies on the subway
Ostei Kozelskii #435550 December 10, 2024 11:30 am 40
I’d love for BLM to pull another of their capers, expecting full support from the Power Structure, only to receive the Bloody Sunday treatment. BLM would immediately melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West. Pipe dream, of course.
Jack Dobson #435554 December 10, 2024 11:35 am 16
I’m not so certain it is a total pipe dream. TPTB seemingly have gotten frightened of their Golems and may be looking for a pretext to whack them. It likely would start with Antifa due to the racial element.
Alzaebo #435579 December 10, 2024 12:21 pm 7
Didn’t they whack the Palestine protestors already?
Jack Dobson #435584 December 10, 2024 12:28 pm 8
Good point! I think the protests are ongoing on a smaller scale, but have been disappeared from the propaganda outlets, which raises the question of a tree falling in the woods.
Spingerah #435638 December 10, 2024 3:56 pm 6
It may somewhat delay the inevetable. the hate of “legacy americans” combined with arrogance will not allow the slightest introspection by those in the drivers seat.The pot has been boiling, the heat must be turned up.Societies always end & this one will as well. The only question is how, wimper or bang?I’m beting on bang.
Eloi #435624 December 10, 2024 2:05 pm 1
Who cares? I bet he does.
usNthem #435648 December 10, 2024 5:16 pm 7
Maybe. Regardless, if I were him, NYC would be in the rear view mirror big time. F that divershitty dump…
Thomas Mcleod #435542 December 10, 2024 10:54 am 49
The corporate pillaging will continue until moral improves. There is zero connection between the “elite” and the people. You cannot have a multiracial/multiethnic/multireligious high trust society. My grandfather was an engineer for Curtis Wright in Buffalo NY in the late twenties early thirties. When the Great Depression hit they laid off all of the single men first (including my grandfather). Married men had families to feed and the people that ran the company and the laid off single men knew that. There is no reciprocal loyalty between corporations and employees/customers, and there hasn’t been for fifty plus years.
TempoNick #435571 December 10, 2024 11:59 am -19
Corporations pillaging? How quaint. You sound like a radical from the 1960s. It’s the banksters pulling the strings, not evil corporate chieftains.
Apex Predator #435597 December 10, 2024 12:53 pm 26
Corporations pillaging? How quaint. You sound like a radical from the 1960s. It’s the banksters pulling the strings, not evil corporate chieftains. It’s the banksters pulling the strings, not evil corporate chieftains. Why not both?¯\_(ツ)_/¯
roo_ster #435768 December 11, 2024 2:18 pm 1
Yup, plenty of tree limbs for all.
Grant #435599 December 10, 2024 1:03 pm 11
Really? I seem to recall investors walking back from DEI/ESG requirements and yet boards and CEOs are still merrily proclaiming how committed they are to the anti-white, anti-hetero, anti-male and anti-Christian agenda.
Hemid #435615 December 10, 2024 1:44 pm 8
Investors are liars and executives are stupid.They’re politicians, analogous to permanent bureaucracy (finance) and elected officials (management). Corporate anti-whiteness isnowherein retreat. But a new PR strategy is trickling down. Merit, efficiency, etc.—good ol’ American fair dealing! [flag ascends, lifted by an Indian]—now demand your replacement by foul-smelling retards. The moral fervor remains and the celebration of vengeance goes on, but cheering in the street—un-permitted parading—is no longer considered polite.The memo went to a lot of executives’ spam folders. Some who don’t get it—two at most, I’d predict, because class solidarity iseverythingto them—may be made examples of.
Snooze #435697 December 11, 2024 10:04 am 0
Most insurance claims are fraud.
Alex #435527 December 10, 2024 8:44 am 49
What’s also amusing is the Anthem reversal to put time limits on anesthesia coverage within 24 hours of this guys murder.
Compsci #435570 December 10, 2024 11:59 am 10
Could be coincidence. There was intense bad reaction to the policy. Anthem needs to fire their PR dept. for allowing the policy to go into effect without a counter narrative to simple greed in such undertaking.
Jack Dobson #435574 December 10, 2024 12:10 pm 4
Hahahaha….I missed that.
Arshad Ali #435529 December 10, 2024 8:47 am 46
It seems to me that the USA is becoming more nakedly a plutocracy (or kleptocracy, if you will). Something more like Yeltsin’s Russia in the 1990s. I don’t know how this will play out. The level of dysfunction in the USA seems to be growing and converging, though perhaps slowly, to a third world level. In the third world nothing functions — not the roads, not the sewage, not power generation, not reliable food supply, not law and order. Eveything has to be arranged through bakshish and mordida, and family connections. The USA is still far from that point but it does seem to be moving there. I suppose there will be a hiring binge by the oligarchs and CEO for experienced bodyguards.
thezman #435533 December 10, 2024 8:55 am 46
Somewhere around here I made the point that Trump is Gorby and Yeltsin rolled into one. He is both the reformer and the agent of chaos due to his erratic temperament and uncertain conditions. I do not think it is an accident that the five richest Americans backed Trump in 2024 and are working with him on the transition.
Citizen of a Silly Country #435538 December 10, 2024 9:21 am 36
The economic elite has been an absentee landlord for far too long. They let their managers run wild as they concentrated on their various pet projects. Now, they’ve discovered that their apartment building is falling apart, and the tenants blame them. Btw, following your analogy, if Trump is Gorby and Yeltsin, who will be Putin?
Vladimir #435588 December 10, 2024 12:35 pm 3
“Btw, following your analogy, if Trump is Gorby and Yeltsin, who will be Putin?” Vivek of course.
BigJimSportCamper #435595 December 10, 2024 12:52 pm 13
I hope that was /s
Freedom Girl #435673 December 11, 2024 12:46 am 1
Ron Paul is the only one who measures up to Putin’s intelligence and eloquence!
Ostei Kozelskii #435555 December 10, 2024 11:36 am 24
Interesting that Trump gets support all up and down the line. Sure, Richie Rich and Daddy Warbucks support him, but so do far lesser fry. My barber is a Mexican and the vast majority of his clients are also Mexican. Two Saturdays ago I was waiting for my haircut and listening to the usual barbershop conversation. Everybody there avowed their support for Trump. These are working class Mexicans, not captains of industry.
Moran ya Simba #435560 December 10, 2024 11:43 am 40
Woke disgusts ordinary people far more than the self-important idiots understand. They attack the one think Joe six-pack and Jose have, their pride in being men. Globohomo will fall. The big Q is when
ray #435568 December 10, 2024 11:58 am 22
‘They attack the one think Joe six-pack and Jose have, their pride in being men.’ Yes. Our overlords and psycho-nannies do not understand masculinity, so likewise don’t understand that Joe and Jose have far more in common with each other, than either does with the wokesters and the fembots. It is that potential brotherhood-in-masculinity that the regime fears. Trump is not an icon of this potential, only a faint harbinger.
Jack Dobson #435577 December 10, 2024 12:16 pm 20
It is that potential brotherhood-in-masculinity that the regime fears. Trump is not an icon of this potential, only a faint harbinger. Ironically, one of the main reasons the Regime despises Trump is he exudes masculinity, faint as it may be. Things are turning back toward the natural order and that cannot be stopped.
Ostei Kozelskii #435604 December 10, 2024 1:07 pm 19
What red-blooded male doesn’t want to grab ’em by the puss, I ask.
DaTrute #435750 December 11, 2024 12:42 pm 2
The key here is what I believe is true, and what I believe Trump said in regards to the Billionaire woman groupies. “…thats what they want you to do….” We don’t learn-and some never learn-how dangerous the fairer sex is until we are much older and wiser. I’ll go with the contemporary sage Charlie Sheen on hiring prostitutes. Something to the effect of you don’t pay them for the sex, you pay them to go away.
ray #435630 December 10, 2024 2:53 pm 18
Been clear to me since his first term that what the Left hates most about Donald is his unrepentant maleness. This offends and enrages them at the most primal, dualistic level. The major Prog attack since the Sixties has been the Sisterhood against males. Women rule. The Bureaucratic Gynarchy resulted, and they are desperate to retain both power and the ‘assent of the angels’ as expressed in public opinion . . . right-side-of-history jive.
Jack Dobson #435650 December 10, 2024 5:20 pm 23
It would be too over the top for fiction, but thesine qua nonof the gynocracy–a lesbian Jewess prosecutor–losing her NYC murder case against an exemplary white male and former Marine, who rid society of an unruly Negro, is damned near perfection. The worm has turned here in this regard and, yes, the belief in IRL metaphors is a bit superstitious. Nature always wins, more than even Africa.
Ostei Kozelskii #435602 December 10, 2024 1:06 pm 5
True. Anidee fixeof what I heard was an unvarnished loathing of so-called “wokeness,” which, of course, is actually garden-variety Leftism with a catchy new name.
Xman #435640 December 10, 2024 4:13 pm 30
It’s not just their “pride in being men.” It’s that they are the ones who actually keep the electricity flowing, the transmissions shifting, and the the sewers unclogged from the tampons and feces of the women who make far more than they do and accomplish far less while simultaneously bitching about how they are victims of the patriarchy.What do you think some guy making $20 an hour thinks when he has to deliver Amazon packages or the cut the grass for obese, married lesbian sociology professors with a combined income of $250k, full benefits and summers off?It’s not just pride in his masculinity, it’s quiet outrage that such useless, condescending, arrogant and out-of-touch people can be so well off while he busts his hump and can get fired at the drop of a hat.If they are driven to fits of rage over Trump, then the working guy is gonna make sure to vote for him.
Christian Schulzke #435600 December 10, 2024 1:03 pm 13
Now we just need our Putin.
BigJimSportCamper #435663 December 10, 2024 9:10 pm 12
I’m thinking Franco.
Filthie #435586 December 10, 2024 12:33 pm 14
Hrrrmmmmm. I have a half arsed theory about such things. Generally speaking (and granting the obvious temporary exceptions and outliers), white people cannot and will not live in a dystopian hellscape the way muds and mystery meat will. They may for short or extended periods… but eventually they always rebellion and re-establish some kind of civilized order. Ditto for the jews. If my scholarly theory holds, modern managerialism is going to be a passing fad. All that remains to be seen is whether it destroys itself or is burned to the ground by the angry mob.
Jeffrey Zoar #435544 December 10, 2024 11:10 am 35
Contrast the veritable fountain of information about this Luigi with what is publicly known about Thomas Matthew Crooks. They even left Luigi’s social media up after he was arrested.
Mow Noname #435621 December 10, 2024 2:03 pm -15
“Thomas Matthew Crooks” Why would anyone care who he was? He BARELY shot Cheeto Hitler. It would be like knowing the life story of BOM’s office secretary who gave her boss a paper cut.
Tars Tarkas #435548 December 10, 2024 11:21 am 34
The corporate elite have absolutely no loyalty to anything but money. Not the country, not their local community and probably not even their own family members. They are corrupt to the core and will do anything for a buck. This is the same class of people who shut down profitable American manufacturers and shipped them to China to make an extra buck. They kept doing it even when it became obvious that China would steal the technology and sometimes, even the production line. Let’s hope there are many Luigi Mangiones spread throughout the land.
Barney Rubble #435553 December 10, 2024 11:35 am 14
Ditto with the political class. It’s all short-term profits, long-term consequences be damned. Same looter mentality as scavengers stripping the copper wiring out of foreclosed homes. Off topic (kind of):https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-832745
LineInTheSand #435561 December 10, 2024 11:45 am 31
“The corporate elite have absolutely no loyalty to anything but money.” If that’s true, then why did so many corporations go woke (anti-traditional white)? Even when some corporations like Bud Light were punished for their wokeness, why did Jaguar release its latest woke campaign? Why do they adopt DEI policies that likely will lead to less profit? Why don’t they make movies to profit from all the Christians? My guess is that many of the economic elite are zealots of a religion of anti-traditional-white, stronger than their greed. (If they lose enough, greed may reassert itself.)
Tars Tarkas #435583 December 10, 2024 12:27 pm 8
To begin with, they are different people. But they also do the DIE stuff for money as well. They are worried about the corporate governance scores. They are also worried about what their fellow globohomo elite think of them. Obviously, the woke corporations are somewhat of a different breed than all the manufacturers who sent their production lines to China. The woke corporations still don’t have a shred of loyalty to the country, to their communities and likely their families as well. Here’s a perfect example of what they do that doesn’t even involve offshoring: https://voxday.net/2024/12/01/never-sell-out/
Freedom Girl #435676 December 11, 2024 2:26 am 3
Maybe it’s the usual; follow the money. The corporations saw the Zeitgeist, and followed what’s been promoted in society. I don’t believe they knew beforehand how much money they’d lose. On the other hand, why Jaguar, when they witnessed the Bud Light fiasco? Could be previous contracts or simply sunk cost fallacy, or arrogance. Thinking their customers were more enlightened? However, I’ve long suspected there’s big money laundering going on. In movies especially, and gaming, why keep making woke material when losing millions? How about more immaterial benefits, loosening regulations for a new factory in case of Jaguar? Jaguars as payment, or lower priced for the Middle Eastern customers, or ability to produce them with less government regulations? It could be hubris and arrogance, but also conniving and money laundering. Or blackmail by the Feds. Maybe they discovered tinkering and would be fined, or their books aren’t in order. The Feds look away, if the right message is promoted. Look at how the stock market has been manipulated, allowing companies easy, low interest money to buy back stocks. If everything is manipulated with nefarious and greedy intentions, why not their PR and propaganda?
Ostei Kozelskii #435549 December 10, 2024 11:27 am 32
One of Z’s more interesting pieces in quite some time.A couple of observations.First, when Coca Cola is to the left of Cornell, of what use is capitalism? After the conclusion of the Cold War, the Left colonized and ultimately conquered capitalism, just as it conquered academia in the 70s and 80s. To support capitalismtout courtis to reify it at your own dire peril. The fact that this Mangioni guy took matters into his own hands decisively proves that some people understand what’s going on. “Feels So Good”Second, the college sports website from which I earn a crust of bread is peopled overwhelmingly by Grillers, and I can say without doubt that they have not hoisted in the new realities Z outlines. They’re still all in on “capitalism good/lawlessness bad,” and are convinced Mangioni is Antifa or Antifa adjacent. A thick-skulled bunch, those Grillers, and they’ve got quite a ways to go before we can count them as allies. Right now, they’re neutrals between the Leftist and Tradissident camps.
Jeffrey Zoar #435552 December 10, 2024 11:34 am 17
What’s going to happen to the grillers, what is already happening day by day, is that they will die off to the point where there aren’t enough of them to form a meaningful political bloc.
AnotherAnon #435616 December 10, 2024 1:55 pm 27
One might wonder why healthcare became out of reach to begin with, and why it is thus rationed on all levels. Liz Warren’s explain-all “corporate greed” doesn’t entirely explain how this sorry state came to be, largely within two decades, but immigration does – much as it largely explains escalating “housing” costs. Liz and Bernie never mention the economic effects of immigration.24/7 demand generated from illegals clog every ER in the country – their single source of healthcare. The ER is their family doctor for everything from a sore throat to car accidents. And we all pick up the tab – threefold. We pay for their ER bill, we pay for it indirecly in receiving whatever time slices are left over, and then we pay jacked up insurance rates just like with car insurance.There’s another largely ignored factor which is the government pressuring doctors through state medical associations and also prescription laws dictated through the state DOJs. Doctors are now afraid of falling afoul of these laws (even by accident) and now practice in more of a defensive fashion to protect their licenses from state scrutiny and harassment.It didn’t HAVE to be this way – Obama could have traded immigration for expanded Medicare coverage, lowering age limits a little bit every year, for example. Instead, we got the best of both worlds for insurance companies AND immigrants, screwing over the middle.
out on a limb sawin away #435655 December 10, 2024 5:48 pm 22
Not only that, think of an additional 20 million toilet flushes per day, showers and laundry per day, Higher demand heating costs and AC bills per month, housing shortages, additional teaching staff, additional road maintenance for 5 million more vehicles being driven, higher car insurance because of uninsured motorists, you get the picture..
Zulu Juliet #435580 December 10, 2024 12:23 pm 25
There are bigger problems in America than our overpriced health care, but most of the problems stem from a corrupt, alien elite who see the people as little more than economic animals to be milked and fleeced.In this sense, the killing did strike at the source of the bigger problems driven by the elites: Mass immigration, corporations undermining the foundations of society, gross – obscene differences in wealth: Folks are sleeping under bridges, and the elites are buying their third, or fourth multi-million dollar mansion. Who needs more than two mansions?This guy could be Pretty Boy Floyd for the 21st century.
Jeffrey Zoar #435614 December 10, 2024 1:38 pm 1
and how effective was Pretty Boy Floyd at resetting the power structure?
Piffle #435541 December 10, 2024 10:47 am 25
It’s not entirely clear to me that this Luigi (very cute) of the wealthy is anything more than a well to do patsy who needed some cash to survive. If that theory is correct, we can expect his with suicide via toilet paper (and without security cameras) any day now.The only real part seems to the murder. I don’t think 26 year old men write 3 page handwritten* manifestos and then don’t leave them with the body. I don’t think that 26 year old men who are supposedly brilliant keep all the evidence on their person, just be found at McDonald’s just one state over in time for what used to be the Monday evening news. I don’t think they throw away backpacks in central park only to retain all the evidence. I don’t think they leave behind Starbucks and burner phones for people find them conveniently.A possible motive of the other unknown and probably elite murderer is the silence of the CEO along with all the other c-suite executives on any number of topics financially damaging. We need the media coverage to get their silence.That said, I agree with your sense of a play, which is maybe what inspired the general tone of this article. I also agree that the surprise for the elites and media is that everyone is done with the play. The lefties are at giggles about a CEO down. There are few older conservatives trying to make this about rule of law, but our God given freedom to pay for insurance that fails us when we need it most is muted. There’s just not a whole lot of outrage or interest or this time.*If the average person over 40 will naturally type anything as faster and easier, do we really think a 26 old is going to bother with a task that might take at least an hour or two for him in very awkward manner?
Compsci #435566 December 10, 2024 11:54 am 28
I guess I’ve been reading and commenting here waay too long, but we tend to think a bit alike.Whereas I called the “hit” non-professional and got that right, I really look at this whole incident with another perspective than main stream.This is an amazing tracking and rundown of the “suspect”. Too amazing, almost unbelievable. Should we believe that we live in a complete police surveillance State and nothing goes on that isn’t recorded and that any matter of importance to the police can be immediately tracked back to the perpetrator? Or as mentioned, should we believe that the perpetrator is so stupid as to be caught after an amazing bit of detection by a minimum wage flunky at McDonalds with all the evidence needed for a swift and convincing prosecution—he retains his weapon, his “manifesto, etc.The whole thing smells.
Bitter reactionary #435587 December 10, 2024 12:35 pm 5
While I generally agree with your comment, I think that in dense urban zones almost everything is indeed recorded. Not actively monitored of course, but cameras are ubiquitous. This is largely thanks to a reasonable fear of crime – we’ve done it to ourselves.
Hun #435598 December 10, 2024 1:02 pm 1
OTOH, if you want to assassinate somebody, you shouldn’t do it in the middle of the day and in the middle of a busy street in a large city. The fact that the hit was done this way, could mean two things – either the perpetrator didn’t think this through (or didn’t care) or it’s all a show.
Grant #435606 December 10, 2024 1:12 pm 9
Finding him with the murder weapon and his manifesto in his bag after an anonymous tip in a McDonalds sounds a lot like finding one of the 9/11 hijackers passports on the sidewalk a block from the towers. The guy seemed reasonably smart. Smart enough to know not to have incriminating evidence on him and to change clothes and ditch the mask after he got out of the immediate area. Lots of places have solar-generated compactor trash cans, especially on college campuses.If this truly is the guy, the slightly more believable explanation is that they tracked him down using the various clandestine internet-of-things assets at their disposal and did “simultaneous discovery” (I forget what the term is called) to have somebody file an anonymous tip even though they knew exactly where he was. This would keep them from having to explain skynet to the hoi polloi (although one would think they might want people to know about it to assure other would-be assassins how futile evasion is) and would also prevent a defense from accusing them of getting fruit from a poison tree if the means they used to track him down weren’t strictly legal. I’d say that ship has sailed, though, considering the Boston PD and the Feds were going door to door harassing everybody who googled “pressure cooker” in 2013.Or this could all be kabuki theater and the guy they caught is a willing or unwilling stooge who will be “Epsteined” in his cell whether that means they whack him or they ferry him off to never neverland to enjoy a quiet retirement.
Hemid #435627 December 10, 2024 2:09 pm 15
“Parallel construction.” Cops launder illegally obtained evidence by making up a legal way theymighthave found it and pretending that’s what happened. The entire judicial system approves. There’s no such thing as an unlawful arrest/prosecution. (Of course there arepeoplewho can’t be arrested or prosecuted.)The McDonalds story is in-your-face bullshit, as all such stories are now, because they’re made up by sadistic children. Why does a misbehaving kid always lie so implausibly? Typically it’s because he has no idea of—no possible access to—the adult mind that would judge his lie. It’s real to him. If he says it, everyone will see it.In some cases he knows the parent can’t punish him. Daddy’s just been to family court. He’s down two cars and a house.With just one word…In this analogy, both. That’s howfreethe regime feels. Rightly so.
james wilson #435649 December 10, 2024 5:18 pm 1
Or, his hero is uncle Ted, and he looks forward to long correspondences with adoring pen pals; but unlike Ted, babes with photos and declarations of love.
Clayton Barnett #435528 December 10, 2024 8:47 am 23
Gavrilo Princip.“History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”
Hokkoda #435626 December 10, 2024 2:09 pm 22
Imagine a guy like Luigi showing up at the J6 protests, and imagine he’s not a lone wolf but there are 20-30 just like him…I’ve said for a long time that the over-the-top response to J6 was straight up fear born from the knowledge that THEY GOT LUCKY. Lucky that 99.9% of the protesters went home before dark, and none were really violent.We live in a very open and vulnerable society. Countless county health department employees are very, very, lucky that people played along with the COVID charade. It’s not hard to find where those people live and work for a business owner whose livelihood was destroy by paid “mission essential” bureaucrats. Ditto various “Lawfare” operatives. We saw in Butler, PA how easy it is to get in close whether you think the USSS and local cops were intentionally incompetent or unwittingly so.If the elites in this country have second cousins, there you will find Luigi Mangione. He’s very nearly one of them, yet he wants them dead. That has to be terrifying once you realize how many people are not your cousins but want you dead. That’s a lot of bullets, and your house has maybe 5” of siding and drywall. And zero when out at the grocery store or walking out of the gym.Vox fired that Lorenz chick who got fired from WaPost. They fired her for saying the quiet part out loud. She’s a dirtbag, but she probably is saying out loud what easily 1,000,000 people thought last week:”Gee. What a shame. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy…🙄.”He didn’t deserve death. Few do. But they keep fu$king with peoples lives and livelihoods, and we’re going to see a lot more of this.What do they do if a left wing New York jury acquits him?
Ostei Kozelskii #435641 December 10, 2024 4:20 pm 16
Whether he deserved death is debatable. In normal times when madness was quarantined rather than normalized, when civilization rather than savagery was the rule, you could put up with the odd dirtbag CEO. But by the thunderous balls of Zeus, when civilization hangs on by a thread, one can argue the taproot of that civilization must be refreshed by the blood of those who are poisoning it.
hokkoda #435666 December 10, 2024 9:34 pm 1
I don’t know. By that logic should we kill all the people who went along with the covid stuff? How about the fat, lazy, slobs who are 100lbs overweight clogging up the healthcare system making it harder for me to get in to the doctor and driving prices through the roof because they’re too fricking lazy to just. stop. eating. and go for a walk every night.Lots of people talking about the physique of white people in football stadiums in the 60’s and 70’s compared to the shirtless beluga white whales there today. You can only blame so much of that on Big Food. People with poor impulse control are as much to blame for society’s ills as that CEO.It’s just easier to hate on him than look in the mirror.No single drop of rain believes it is to blame for the flood, as the saying goes.
Mr. House #435671 December 11, 2024 12:44 am 7
“By that logic should we kill all the people who went along with the covid stuff?” No, but they should be kept as far away from any position of authority you can think of. And many of them do not deserve the jobs they hold. They can’t even run their own lives efficiently and i’m supposed to believe they do any good at work?
Hokkoda #435680 December 11, 2024 8:24 am 1
On this we agree. Making them “essential” with full pay made them far too powerful. If you have the power to lock down businesses en masse, you should forfeit pay and benefits until the order is lifted. And no back pay. Like I wrote on Monday, those county health dept workers are lucky that business owners and workers didn’t show up at their homes to “deal with the problem” violently. Some of the most NON essential people in America kept their jobs during covid.
Ostei Kozelskii #435718 December 11, 2024 11:03 am 4
Big diff between a tub of rancid lard in aisle 4 and the CEO of a major corporation whose objective, in part, is to help subjugate whites and to empower not whites at our expense.
RealityRules #435557 December 10, 2024 11:39 am 22
Pure gold today. post-America is a stack of powder kegs. The former country is a dry and rotting barn that holds them stacked to the rafters. The, “elites”, have been lighting fires and throwing torches at the barn with scorn, avarice and spite for quite a while. Nobody knows which torch gets through and nobody has a healthy fear of not knowing what the blast radius will be. They have it all under control. Until they don’t.
RealityRules #435558 December 10, 2024 11:40 am 9
P.S. We must be extremely disciplined and focus all energy on constructive action for ourselves, our families, our friends and congregations and those in our networks.
Moran ya Simba #435564 December 10, 2024 11:49 am 20
Syria is a good reminder how fast an exhausted government can fall
LineInTheSand #435572 December 10, 2024 12:01 pm 20
Given that everything we read is suspect, he is supposedly an heir to a fortune. If that is true, high healthcare costs probably were not an issue for him. He is a young, good looking rich kid. He was given a life that most people would envy. How likely is it that he risked throwing this away to draw attention to a problem that didn’t affect him? It’s not impossible that he wanted to be an avenger for the masses. That feeling can be pretty intoxicating, especially for the young. Or is there a larger play afoot?
Dutchboy #435569 December 10, 2024 11:58 am 20
I am skeptical that the economic elite have really gotten religion and are on our side now. Capitalists are profit-driven creatures and maximize profit by minimizing costs. Labor is typically the biggest cost in a business, so capitalists favor any policy that drives down the cost of labor. That means outsourcing to cheap labor countries and importing non-white labor to do the work that is still done here. That is economic and cultural poison for the American working class but ambrosia for the capitalists. They may have gotten a little janky with the woke stuff they helped promote but are they really going to give up the gravy train the current economic order has created for them? Trump is talking about increasing legal immigration, which should answer that question.
Whiskey #435607 December 10, 2024 1:13 pm 11
It depends. Military sectors can see mass third world immigration squeezing out all spending but social welfare, so they are on our side. No one else but the feds will fund them. Same with Musk.And for the Silicon Valley types, Marc Andreesen noted in Spring they had a meeting with the Biden Admin. They were told not to work on AI as only 2/3 firms would be allowed to do so and would do so under direct government control and supervision. Even worse with crypto. Andreesen noted more than 30 crypto or ai funders or ceo’s debanked by Elizabeth Warren’s CFPB.So you had government bureaucrats deciding they are the power; and simply pushed the SV types mostly to Trump. [Same thing happened to the auto workers union, and auto makers].
Grant #435612 December 10, 2024 1:23 pm 14
One of the interesting things I learned came from watching a certain subset of youtube that engages in “can you believe what Disney is doing now to ruin our childhood entertainment?” videos. They pointed out something that floored me when an private party was mulling over buying out Disney. Disney had almost no operational capital. Its warchest was in the millions, not the tens of millions. While entertainment is an investment-driven enterprise, you’d figure they’d have a lot of cash from their parks and merchandise. A lot of companies seem to be in this position where they have almost no capital for expansion and development. And so they go to investors like Blackrock with their pockets out. Blackrock lends on condition that they engage in DEI/ESG practices in their business. The “woke” stuff was a requirement for a lot of companies to deliver growth (the only thing the board and shareholders care about anymore).
Mr. House #435670 December 11, 2024 12:37 am 3
Which is why you should never bailout wall street, and also why 401ks should not exist. I mean how can you say no to a bailout when they have a gun to your families head? Many of them defaulted on pension promises in the 70’s and 80’s and i’m 110% certain your 401k will at least soft default.(the only thing the board and shareholders care about anymore)They care about power, the system has consolidated so much that corporations basically run everything now anyways. It is why they’re too big to fail, they’re the system. Democracy is just cheap lawn decorations.
Freedom Girl #435677 December 11, 2024 4:42 am 2
Good points. I posted this earlier, but applies to your remarks too; It’s always, follow the money. The corporations saw the Zeitgeist, and followed what’s been promoted. I don’t believe they knew beforehand how much money they’d lose. On the other hand, why Jaguar, when they witnessed the Bud Light fiasco? Could be previous contracts or simply sunk cost fallacy, or arrogance. Thinking their customers were more enlightened? However, I’ve long suspected there’s big money laundering going on. In movies especially, and gaming, why keep making woke material when losing millions? How about more immaterial benefits, loosening regulations for a new factory in case of Jaguar? Jaguars as payment, or lower priced for the Middle Eastern customers, or ability to produce them with less government regulations? It could be hubris and arrogance, but also conniving and money laundering. Or blackmail by the Feds. Maybe they discovered tinkering and would be fined, or their books aren’t in order. The Feds look away, if the right message is promoted. Look at how the stock market has been manipulated, allowing companies easy, low interest money to buy back stocks. If everything is manipulated with nefarious and greedy intentions, why not their PR and propaganda?
Mr. House #435679 December 11, 2024 8:22 am 1
It’s not just the money, they’re trying to destroy any understanding on why the current system is good. They screwed it up really bad, we need to default, but they won’t allow it while they still rule because they’d risk being discredited. They’re trying to run out the clock, and when the system fails they’ll say, gee we told you it was a bad system, try our new one with CBDC!
Dr. Mabuse #435591 December 10, 2024 12:37 pm 18
“This case also reveals that the old American love of the outlaw is still there, buried under the piles of corporate slop.”It’s why one of the talking points of the election had no effect: the point that Trump was “a convicted felon”. You could hear the vituperation as the pundits hissed and spat that expression at the electorate. When it didn’t work to scare them from supporting Trump, it was used to shame them for doing so. It was specifically designed to work on someone like me, a woman who’s always been a law-and-order conservative. But it failed. Instead, every time I heard those words I mentally flashed an image of The Outlaw Josie Wales, and we all know who we’re supposed to root for in that movie.
Ostei Kozelskii #435611 December 10, 2024 1:21 pm 3
To Hell with them guys. Buzzards gotta eat same as worms.
Puszczyk #435629 December 10, 2024 2:39 pm 3
Better to ride with him than with the Comancheros
Ostei Kozelskii #435639 December 10, 2024 4:12 pm 2
The Wild Geese Howard #435646 December 10, 2024 4:41 pm 2
“How is it with stains?” https://youtu.be/2sh0wr7HH8Y
Carl B. #435539 December 10, 2024 9:23 am 17
A wealthy elite murders another wealthy elite. “America” – Act One Scene One….
Tarl Cabot #435546 December 10, 2024 11:19 am 16
Elites retain their legitimacy insofar as they broadly share the interests and values of the general public, and are open to talent from below. That has not been true of our current ruling class for at least a generation. Insert “You reap what you sow”/ “Everyone gets what they fucking deserve” meme here.
TomA #435547 December 10, 2024 11:19 am 15
History will record Luigi via that iconic image in a hoodie with a genuine smile on his face. And the execution was artistry, so this could become folklore like the OK Corral. Most importantly, it was unexpected in most respects. Daniel Penny rescued 30 old subway riders from a deranged crack addict, and is now regarded as a hero. If United Healthcare now changes its policy of rejecting 34% of claims, what does that say about Luigi’s contribution to society?
Ostei Kozelskii #435609 December 10, 2024 1:17 pm 15
Mangione and Rittenhouse in ’28? Penny as Sec of Defense?
ray #435563 December 10, 2024 11:48 am 13
‘America is a woman, so she has always had a love for the outlaw.’ Such an obvious fact, yet grossly overlooked. She’s also known as ‘Columbia’, not coincidentally the central District of global power, yes indeedy a woman rides (controls) the beast. Washington is a shrine and a pedestal for the deity of our elites. That statue in NY harbor is modeled on the goddess Libertas. . . she of the Jacobin pileus. When they crow that the Future is Female, they are not making a request.
din c. nuffin #435585 December 10, 2024 12:30 pm 11
Now that law enforcement has caught this dude so easily, they can go back and find the dude that planted the pipe bombs.
Xman #435643 December 10, 2024 4:31 pm 7
I’ll bet if they really want to find him, all they have to do is page him in the J. Edgar Hoover Building, LOL.
Tom K #435605 December 10, 2024 1:08 pm 10
What I find interesting is why didn’t any of his family members come forward if he was so easy to spot by a random observer in a MacDonalds? Naming your son “Luigi” in deference to your origins definitely played a role IMHO, i.e., blood is still thicker than water among certain “white” Americans. Although Italians are assimilable in the grand scheme of American identity, what was a flair for pride in one’s origins over this last generation may become less palatable going forward. Some Shitaviouses of the new generation may even become Steves with a thought to their long-term survival.In any event, if Trump doesn’t address the racket known as health-care insurance in this country, among others, that’s just one of the many powder kegs in the old collapsing barn of the American system that’s primed to go off. I hope to see at the least a reclassification of the “health-care” sector including Big Pharma to a quiet low-growth investment environment as effective regulation kicks in.The Zeitgeist appears to be rapidly evolving and if change doesn’t rapidly happen across a broad front, including at colleges and universities, non-profits, U.S. foreign policy, the military, the revolving-door of industry capture, Congressional privileges, election reform, border security, Corporate hiring practices, the law courts, magic dirt and dual citizenship, and enforcement of laws that are already on the books, TO NAME JUST A FEW, then it’s not enough. And by enough, I mean just barely to hold this shitshow together for a few more generations. Because it’s not going to be a return to an imagined Leave it to Beaver America among young white males of the Heritage population.
Hokkoda #435631 December 10, 2024 2:56 pm 3
Maybe they were okay with what he did and decided to pretend they didn’t recognize him… As long as they weren’t messaging each other “OMG that’s Luigi!” it wouldn’t be provable that they withheld info. If that was my kid, I think my response would be, “I don’t see the resemblance,” and hope for the best.
james wilson #435651 December 10, 2024 5:32 pm 1
Northern Italians are essentially Germanic in character and blood. Southern Italians are quite different in both. The Mangioni family is neither. They are Sicilian.
Tom K #435662 December 10, 2024 9:10 pm 0
Had a martial arts instructor who was Sicilian. He grew up in the Deep South and identified as a negro, not literally but pretty much.
WillS #435540 December 10, 2024 10:16 am 10
Another masterpiece Mr Z man. Thank you.
Ted X #435526 December 10, 2024 8:40 am 10
The Healthcare CEO’s Murder Is Yet Another Fake https://stateofthenation.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Healthcare-CEO-Assassination.pdf I have a sneaking suspicion Miles Mathis might be right about this one also.
Maxda #435531 December 10, 2024 8:52 am 9
The details are extremely fishy.
Jeffrey Zoar #435543 December 10, 2024 11:05 am 24
Considering the surfeit of surveillance cameras in NYC, it’s possible and even plausible that the “murder” would be caught on one. But it is nevertheless remarkable that it wasperfectlyin frame. Also remarkable that the footage was released to the publicimmediately, even though it provided nothing helpful regarding the killer’s face.Then, days later, the guy is found at a McDonald’swith the murder weapon still on him. But even more ridiculous, (I am quoting AP here), in possession of “writings critical of the healthcare industry.” I don’t know about you, but that’s always the kind of thing I carry with me when I go to eat at McDonald’s.
LineInTheSand #435551 December 10, 2024 11:33 am 16
I am skeptical about his arrest. Even with that picture of him smiling, he was nondescript enough that I doubt anyone would have later linked him to the videos. It seems unlikely that a MacDonalds’ employee would have recognized him and called the FBI. Not impossible, just implausible. Is this drama a part of a larger orchestrated scheme? One might guess that this would be a play to motivate gun control, but the lack of calls from the media for that is also surprising.
Jeffrey Zoar #435559 December 10, 2024 11:42 am 10
Based on the narrative/zeitgeist, some kind of health insurance reform would appear to be the most likely angle, if there is an angle. I’m just having a hard time with this guy carrying anti health industry literature with him when he goes to McDonald’s. Does he not leave home without it?
Compsci #435576 December 10, 2024 12:15 pm 8
Not really one for so called reform when one of the major reasons for the dysfunction is government regulation and policy in the first place.in any event, reform will come in the guise of socialized, “free” medicine as we’ve seen in other Western countries with even more government control and regulation. At that point nothing will change—except when, and if, you do get “treated” you’ll not pay. Then the hew and cry will be for more resources as we’ve seen all over the world.Look for the same long emergency room waits, the same infinite time to see a family doctor and even longer wait times for any specialist. Anything that has no “cost” is valueless and therefore subject to over use by those not paying, and to the detriment of those paying.
hokkoda #435668 December 10, 2024 9:46 pm 5
Think of the guy as a nut living out a fantasy story he’s planned out in his mind in intense detail. The plot of the story needed to move forward, and so he made himself visible and carried what he needed with him to ensure everyone knew they had the right guy.The fantasy story isn’t nearly as cool if he just walks into Brooklyn 99 and turns himself in. The story had a plan, a murder, a daring escape, taunting of law enforcement (various photos and clues he left behind), an “on the lamb” chapter, and then our hero “by complete chance and accident” gets noticed by a small town McD’s employee. And he just so happens to be carrying evidence critical to the survival of billions, but is captured before he can make it all public and bring the system down.The dude is living out a fan fiction novel irl. This thing has a plot, tone, theme, setting(s), conflict, characterization and the POV of a 3rd party (media) narrator.He got “caught” because he needed to advance the plot which culminates Act II.Act III: Arrest and public trial in which he attempts to represent himself and/or the lawyers declare him unfit for trial. His manifesto gets published making him a Robin Hood hero. And a martyr.
Mr. House #435672 December 11, 2024 12:45 am 0
and suddenly any form of dissent is labeled a mental illness……….. Censorship and debanking via other channels!
Hokkoda #435681 December 11, 2024 8:31 am 2
i don’t know if you’ve been keeping up on current events, but this county is being overwhelmed by lunatics. Sometimes, dudes put on sundresses and pretend to be women. Sometimes, they get elected to Congress. That manifesto girl who shot up a kindergarten wasn’t “dissent” either. She was mentally insane, and we all allowed that person near children.
Mr. House #435709 December 11, 2024 10:29 am 1
Yes but they’re the supported kind of insane. If you haven’t noticed, the “right” is being made a criminal act all thruout the western world. In other words “he might be an idiot, but he’s our idiot!”
hokkoda #435667 December 10, 2024 9:41 pm 3
It’s also quite plausible that he’s a complete nut. And like a lot of complete nuts, he’s highly intelligent, and planned the whole thing out in precise detail, up to and through his amazing escape on the streets of the city.Then, a week later, low on cash and still uncaught while wandering around Altoona, PA, he had no way to get on to the next chapter of his mental fantasy which was his capture and “sticking it to the man” in court. So, he makes it obvious who he is while in a public place. Maybe smiles for the McD clerk in a way that reminds that person of the photo that was released…I saw some news today that he was having outbursts at the media. The nut job dude has turned to the next chapter of his weird story where he expected he’d be a week ago. But police turned out to be fairly hapless and his family clearly had no intention of pointing out, “Hey, we think that’s our kid/brother/cousin/etc.”So he turned himself in because the plot needed to move forward, but in a way that made it look like chance or fate. Lots of people have weird fantasies like that. He just decided to act his out irl.
My Comment #435622 December 10, 2024 2:05 pm 3
Most of us on this side of the divide know the press always lies even when they don’t need to do so. However, even the DR will accept what the Media is writing and saying about this. Something about the (supposed) murder (maybe all of it) has to be a lie. Maybe all of it is a lie.
Horace #435590 December 10, 2024 12:36 pm 9
“While it is unlikely that he is “our guy”, he is clearly a young man who escaped the old political paradigm.”Classificatory labels like ‘right’, ‘left’, ‘conservative’, and ‘liberal’ change meaning over time. They are transient descriptors of personal identity and mutual self-interest.Transitioning to a new order takes two kinds of individuals, destroyers and (re)builders. Mangione is in the former category. Whatever other labels one might apply to him, he sacrificed his life to strike a blow against evil.Most of our corporate administrators like Brian Thompson and the alien internationalist rulers who organize the legal and moral framework in which the administrators operate are barbarians who wear nice suits to camouflage their true nature. They are not going to stop being evil temporarily until they have skin in the game. Now they do. The internationalists are never going to stop being evil permanently.While immoral drones like Thompson might be constrained by restructuring the incentive environments in which they operate, the internationalists for whom the drones work can only be constraining by expelling them somewhere else. It is easier to find solutions to civilizational problems in direct proportion to civilizational homogeneity.A ‘not guilty’ vote by Mangione’s jury would solidify the message he sent. All empires die. If the ad hoc provincial ersatz merchant ruling class Pres. Trump has cobbled together around mutual self-interest to repair the dying Global American Empire wants to be more than a footnote in the dustbin of history, they will be thinking about making deep repairs to the social, economic, and political fabric of the empire. However, I am sure they are not. They want to fix things just enough to keep the grift going one more generation.
Fast-Turtle #435634 December 10, 2024 3:07 pm 9
“Whatever other labels one might apply to him, he sacrificed his life to strike a blow against evil.”And in doing so might have brought a smile to the face of departed a certain Alexander. One of his laments, NOT the common quotes still out their from the dissident, goes like this: ‘if only someone had booby trapped the hallway maybe the wife of one NKVD agent would have to worry her man would not return home that night.’You get the idea.ONE oppressor is struck down and suddenly massive corporations are ‘scrubbing names and faces’ and changing policies. Imagine. This after only ONE is felled.The others though, have to enjoy a moment of worry.
TWP #435780 December 11, 2024 4:30 pm 1
“He sacrificed his life to strike a blow against evil.” No matter the analysis, or the final story, this will always be true.
Puszczyk #435592 December 10, 2024 12:39 pm 8
Mangione is giving me some old south-central Italian anarchist vibes. Zman is right when noticing the departure from the standard Antifa schema (Germany-derived). In fact, it begs a parallel with the Wall Street bombings which were a cold-shower for the WASP elite. Perhaps with the de-WASPing of America we’re going to see all of the old modes of thinking go out of the window. Time to dust off the political Mediterranean classics, Southern-European thought is going to be so back.Libro e moschetto – fascista perfettoAs the great Southern bard observed, outlaws touch the ladies somewhere deep down in their soul.That’s putting it very gentlemanly.
Whiskey #435603 December 10, 2024 1:06 pm 6
Mangione’s family at least was wealthier than the CEO. The latter grew up in working class poverty and attended some no name school. The former went to a $40,000 a year prep school and UPenn. So it is even more complicated.
Puszczyk #435625 December 10, 2024 2:08 pm 0
Please see my response to Mr Ostei below. I am not sure what the wealthy family has to do with the subject, unless we want to comment on the common pattern of radical upbringing…
The Wild Geese Howard #435669 December 10, 2024 10:48 pm 3
Uh, the United Healthcare CEO may have attended a public high school, but he attended the University of Iowa and obtained a Bachelor’s in Business focused on accounting. UofI is a state flagship university, which is not quite no name. In a weird parallel with his assassin, he was also the valedictorian of his class and college.
Bilejones #435701 December 11, 2024 10:12 am 0
In a weird parallel with his assassin Wow, Guilty already, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever,
Ostei Kozelskii #435610 December 10, 2024 1:19 pm 4
A descendant of Sacco and Vanzetti?
Puszczyk #435623 December 10, 2024 2:05 pm 4
The spirit lives on! As it well known on this side, you can never cheat the blood.
Filthie #435578 December 10, 2024 12:21 pm 7
I think it possible he might be a patsy. Remember, when the story first broke, the tall foreheads in law enforcement said the perp was armed and did the deed with a super rare, exotic bolt action veterinarian pistol used to euthanize farm animals. It was obvious to even non-gunnies he was using a generic automatic pistol.And Lo and Behold – these mighty paragons and icons of modern law enforcement catch the perfect perp in less than a couple days.Pull my other finger fellas. We’ll know the truth of it soon enough I suppose. If he dies n prison… he’s likely the real killer, or an inconvenient hireling.
Fast-Turtle #435636 December 10, 2024 3:09 pm 2
If it is the public realm, “reported” it is a lie. Where the truth is at, who knows. But we know where the LIE is at: in our faces.
Silver #435644 December 10, 2024 4:33 pm 6
I think this is hilarious. We are living in a simulated comedy show. A very terrifying, cruel and unusual one, but that just makes it way more funny to be honest. Cheeto man, regime appointed assasins, e-thots, AI and UFOs are just the last few months big topics. The simulation recycles them faster each year. C’mon who here is taking life seriously anymore? Sure, go have family dinners try to be a good man etc. but I don’t care anymore. Whatever happens in 2025, I’ll be laughing all the way through till that eternal void swallows me whole.
Ostei Kozelskii #435724 December 11, 2024 11:13 am 0
When Black Friday comesI’ll stand down by the doorAnd catch the gray men when theyDive from the fourteenth floorWhen Black Friday comesI’ll collect everything I’m owedAnd before my friends find outI’ll be on the roadWhen Black Friday fallsYou know it’s got to beDon’t let it fall on meWhen Black Friday comesI’ll fly down to MuswellbrookGonna strike all the big red wordsFrom my little black bookGonna do just what I pleaseGonna wear no socks and shoesWith nothing to do but feedAll the kangaroosWhen Black Friday comesI’ll be on that hillYou know I willWhen Black Friday comesI’m gonna dig myself a holeGonna lay down in it‘Til I satisfy my soulGonna let the world pass by meThe Archbishop’s gonna sanctify meAnd if he don’t come acrossI’m gonna let it rollWhen Black Friday comesI’m gonna stake my claimI’ll guess I’ll change my name
Jack Dobson #435573 December 10, 2024 12:04 pm 5
Interesting take, but mine is somewhat different. Mangione is not a Cloud but he comes from an extremely wealthy, Cloud-adjacent family. He is an illustration of a relatively recent phenomenon in American terms, which is the uber rich malignant narcissist. These types think they are exempt from punishment for any crime that gives them the selfie rush, or, as you put it, the attraction of minor celebrity. They are not exempt, though, and conflate themselves with actual Clouds in this regard.Interestingly, the fired psycho bitch “journalist” Taylor Lorenz has been outed as a Mangione follower and has gotten herself into hot water by praising him prior to that revelation. She formerly was famous for punching down and doxing working-class people in her role as an alleged reporter for the Washington Post. And like Mangione, she also comes from an extremely privileged and well-heeled background. And if you look closely enough, Antifa/Black Bloc types also have similar privileged backgrounds. Their common goal is the thrill of infamy and a belief they can get by with anything, which happens quite a bit. Antifa is the very definition of malignant narcissism.We saw this taking shape during the first Trump term. An extremely egregious example was a film that featured Mangione/Lorenz types literally hunting MAGA folks. The heroine was one of the quarries who revealed herself to be sympatico with her hunters’ self-proclaimed enlightenment. The other victims, of course, deserved it.Yes, yes, the CEO killed here was filthy rich and his company is execrable, but he came from a farm background and this surely was known to Mangione. Even if that was not the case, Mangione thought he could murder the guy in cold blood without consequence.It is interesting this happens at this time. The Clouds seem to have decided to stomp on their Golems out of fear, and Mangione may be may into an example. As you point out, the zeitgeist has changed, but the Clouds are quite aware of it, so expect this malignant example to be increasingly demonized in their propaganda outlets. Granted, it may not be enough, but that’s generally not the way to bet.I agree with you about the general shift, though, and also find it fascinating.
Hokkoda #435635 December 10, 2024 3:08 pm 2
I had a similar observation calling them “cousins”. Cloud-adjacent has a nice ring to it.Assuming Mangione is the guy, the fact that he was found at a McD’s in Altoona means he was just wandering around after the murder. He expected to be caught and left clues to help. But he only had a little bit of pocket money which had probably started to run out. It was taking too long and he got tired of waiting because Act III of his fantasy is the game and notoriety and “Robin Hood” story line. So he makes himself very visible and brings proof that only the criminal could possess.
Jack Dobson #435656 December 10, 2024 6:56 pm 3
Mangione definitely wanted to be caught. The guy is a typical malignant narcissist, a type that now has a huge representation in the upper classes. They have enough money to buy more than fifteen minutes, too, although he added to his allotment on the relative cheap (buses, really?). These are the types who are always the first killed after a successful revolution they worked hard to make possible, understandably so to everyone but them. The fear Mangione has generated among the Clouds is quite useful and to be applauded, but people need to be realistic about what a loathsome bastard he is. Two competing thoughts and all..,*eta: Recall that The Guardian after all these many years removed Bin Laden’s manifesto from its website after October 7th. Look for attempts to squelch this guy’s as well.
Xman #435659 December 10, 2024 8:35 pm 1
“The fear Mangione has generated among the Clouds is quite useful and to be applauded, but people need to be realistic about what a loathsome bastard he is.”Agree. He’s a narcissist. A LOT of people have suffered FAR worse injuries that his back surgery that made his dick limp, with far less in the way of financial and educational resources.Imagine being some poor bastardconscriptedto go to Vietnam and getting both your legs and your dick blown off. And then reading the Pentagon Papers when you got back.A guy like that would have had arealreason to shoot the people responsible.This is one of the main lessons of Christianity. Whatever bad things have legitimately happened to you, they’re almost certainly not as bad as getting nailed to a cross and having the soldiers mock you and spit on you as you’re dying. You will never be able to get back at the bastards who did it to you, and even if you could it wouldn’t undo the damage they’ve done.
Moran ya Simba #435562 December 10, 2024 11:46 am 5
I’m surprised they allowed the shooter to come in alive. That unheroic McDonald’s employee might have saved his life because there were too many people to smoke him. He’ll be the hero of Sing Sing
Hokkoda #435633 December 10, 2024 3:01 pm 3
They need him alive. He comes from their team and they need to find out how big of a problem they have with their usually-reliable supporters.
TomC #435534 December 10, 2024 8:59 am 5
i hear CEO was big in making money selling trans hormones for children.
Tars Tarkas #435589 December 10, 2024 12:36 pm 4
A bit off topic, but not totally…. Can Daniel Penny be recharged with manslaughter? He was neither convicted nor acquitted of this charge. It was withdrawn by the prosecution while the jury was deliberating. I just don’t know how far double jeopardy protection goes. Same act, different charge. Double jeopardy protection has been weakened for decades. Some guy in the 80s was charged 3 times for the same murder, two of which ended in acquittals. They finally got him in some military court.He is probably thanking the good Lord that Kamala didn’t win, otherwise he could be facing federal charges.
Jeffrey Zoar #435613 December 10, 2024 1:37 pm 1
There is still plenty of time for federal charges. And he can be retried on the manslaughter charge
Hokkoda #435632 December 10, 2024 2:59 pm 8
No, they have until 1/19/25 to file Federal charges. And would they knowing who is being inaugurated? Job security says they’ll leave it alone and try to bankrupt him in civil suits. In a civil suit, I think he might have more room to present evidence that the other dude was nuts. In fact, he should counter-sue the family for allowing an obviously deranged family member to ride the NYC subways unsupervised.
AnotherAnon #435619 December 10, 2024 2:03 pm 2
There’s almost certainly civil jackpot action coming too.
BigJimSportCamper #435665 December 10, 2024 9:29 pm 1
Neely’s old man is already on it.
Xman #435645 December 10, 2024 4:35 pm 3
“America is a woman, so she has always had a love for the outlaw.” As Waylon Jennings observed, “Ladies love outlaws/Like babies love stray dogs.”
Mr. House #435674 December 11, 2024 12:51 am 3
status, they love that more then anything
Steve #435582 December 10, 2024 12:26 pm 3
“Even though it was just one young man on a mission, it is a reminder that history has often pivoted on one man or one event, setting off a chain of events.“ Yep. Paraphrasing Baldrick, The Great War started because some bloke named Archie Duke shot an ostrich because he was hungry.
Gespenst #435647 December 10, 2024 4:42 pm 2
Some years back, Zman had a good podcast about the spate of bombings and assassinations at the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries. I wonder if he considers this murder to be a hint for return of those times.
Vince #435637 December 10, 2024 3:42 pm 2
Luigi Mangione is no one’s idea of a hero and anyone who finds him praiseworthy should take a close look at themselves in the mirror. He crept up on a guy with a suppressed weapon and shot him in the back. That makes him the worst type of coward and because of his degenerate attitude a family is out a husband and father.This wasn’t exactly Hamilton vs Burr or Marshall Dillon facing down a bad guy, it was a morally bankrupt and blackened soul carrying out a thoroughly disgusting deed and it needs to be recognized as such. There is no way this nation recovers any sense of right vs wrong or indeed, justice, since that word is much in vogue these days.
Ostei Kozelskii #435642 December 10, 2024 4:25 pm 9
You might want to check the temp of your brisket.
james wilson #435654 December 10, 2024 5:48 pm 8
The executive was a family man without priviledge who worked his way high up the ladder into a corporation we have come to realize is, as are they all, noxious to the public. His killer is a boy of great privilege who knows nothing of humility and, he believes, everything of the world.
Ostei Kozelskii #435726 December 11, 2024 11:18 am 1
I don’t care about privilege one way or the other. I care about the elite class, how they annihilated America and are well into the process of dismantling Western civilization. They must be stopped, and all the Buckleyite badinage and Republican electoral politics haven’t accomplished sweet Fatty Arbuckle. It may well be time to escalate and Mangione did just that.
TWP #435784 December 11, 2024 4:49 pm -3
Indeed. The weak sister hedgers on social media are cowards who won’t be reliable when things get hot.
Vince #435802 December 12, 2024 7:18 am 2
You stop them by standing up to them and refusing their dictates. You don’t stop them by cowardly assassinations. Lincoln was shot from behind too and it had the effect of making the state stronger. Suppressors are under consideration for being taken off the NFA 34 list and one of their wind up toys caps a guy in the back with a suppressed weapon (that may or many not have been printed). That not only isn’t the thing to do it’s playing right into big brother’s hands.Awfully convenient timing there, plus the praise for Mangione’s heinous act from certain quarters just fuels the gun grabbers. That doesn’t accomplish Jack, and Jack left town.
Vince #435657 December 10, 2024 8:08 pm 1
Thank you for making my point.
Jack Dobson #435653 December 10, 2024 5:47 pm 2
You can find Mangione both loathsome and useful–I certainly do. But as Ostei wrote, the grill is a rough addiction.
Vince #435658 December 10, 2024 8:10 pm 1
I don’t know what that means.
RonaLD #435664 December 10, 2024 9:11 pm -2
Of course you don’t
TWP #435782 December 11, 2024 4:47 pm 1
Who cares about the CEO’s humble beginnings? He chose to make millions on the misery, suffering, and death of thousands of people. Having a hard time understanding your sympathy other than perhaps you are padding your social media to deflect our surveiling masters.
Somone #435749 December 11, 2024 12:41 pm 0
If Brian Thompson deserved to die, then so has every president since FDR.
Bilejones #435678 December 11, 2024 6:57 am 0
Based on the news reports, And that right there is your first mistake…
TempoNick #435565 December 10, 2024 11:53 am 0
Obviously, the human decency in me can’t support gunning down another human being. But at the same time, I do have a rather twisted and subversive sense of humor sometimes, so call me amused: “McDonald’s where New York shooting suspect caught flooded with negative reviews”https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/09/mcdonalds-suspect-arrest-negative-reviews
Hemid #435628 December 10, 2024 2:38 pm 6
Peaceful improvement of our lives has been made impossible, so anything that terrorizes “the rich” is good, no matter who does it or why.Insert meme pic of Hitler standing tall in a crowd of thousands vs. Merkel cowering in her bulletproof limo.The isolation of every ruler, manager, boss, etc. from all of us—their victims—should be madenot their choice. The man in the house on the hill should not only be afraid to be seen in town; he should beterrifiedto turn on a lamp in a window. Many of them are.The elite of the censorship and surveillance business—of “tech,” “AI and crypto”—have gottenurgentlately. They understand that to achieve their perfect hell on earth, which they’ve almost already done, they have to thwartour last chance.Luigi was caught instantly—literallyinstantly.That’s not enough. It leaves us too much room. They can’t stand it. Theywillchimp out.
Jack Dobson #435652 December 10, 2024 5:45 pm 2
Indeed. I find Mangione reprehensible, a malignant narcissist from the wannabe upper-est class, loathsome in all respects, but putting the/his Cloud overlords into a panic makes him useful. The bone of Woke thrown to take the hounds off the trail in the wake of Occupy Wall Street has run its course. Economics, second only to nature, wins more often than Africa. Adding to their fear was his use of a ghost gun. Mangione very well may have had a stash of IEDs or worse. We would never hear about it, of course, but our masters certainly would. The ubiquitous surveillance state does have limits, and that seems not to have been fully appreciated. It will be interesting to see the response. Those of late have been rather impotent and desperate. Yes, they are close, but this may be as close as they ever get.
Mr. House #435675 December 11, 2024 12:55 am 1
Useful in what way? Do you actually think reform is coming? Based on history it gets crazier and crazier because reform doesn’t come. Not the other way around. Democrats will not give up healthcare, which is why i find all this funny. Healthcare is a democrat run racket, and would have failed years ago without immense government support, and uh even .gov has a limited balance sheet, even though they seem to think they don’t. It’s like magic, ya just gotta believe! Obamacare wasn’t about helping joe schmoe, it was a bailout of the insurance industry. Just like taking rates to 0% for a decade was a further bailout of the stock market, you want any return you gotta chase it baby!
Xman #435660 December 10, 2024 8:37 pm 1
However bad the McDonalds is, the Sheetz next door is invariably worse…
Greg Nikolic #435535 December 10, 2024 9:03 am -12
The economic elite are smarter than their paid Toadies, the politicians. Buried deep within the torso of the rich, where a heart should be, is a keenly sniffing nose for survival. The rich and powerful remember the lessons of the French and Russian Revolutions. They know there could be a real American revolution in the 21st Century and they are, if not afraid, at least concerned.The rich, responding to the new populist movement, will begin deploying their resources in the media and elsewhere to shape a new narrative. The narrative? Why, how cute and cuddly the dominant rich are, in so many terms. If Warren Buffett is the Oracle of Omaha and Elon Musk is the savior of the environment, expect their personal qualities to be laudedhard.— Greg (my blog:http://www.dark.sport.blog)


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