Unification

Date: November 29, 2024
Canonical: 33101
Archive: 33101 [history]
Categories: Badder Thoughts , Culture

Note: I am taking the long weekend to get started on some projects, so no show today and no posting either. Instead, here is something from behind the green door that people suggested I post here at some point. That point is now. Please consider signing up for a green door account. Five bucks a month is a bargain.

Flipping around YouTube I saw some videos on what I assumed to be the latest abomination in the Star Trek franchise. Having grown up watching the re-runs of the original, I try not to think about what they did to it. Lots of men like me ended up in the STEM world because of science fiction. Not all of it was art. In fact, most of it was crap, but it made being smart cool and adventurous.

That was the real hook for the kids of my day. The original Star Trek was a pirate ship in space where the crew got to do cool stuff with technology. The crew were not just swashbucklers, but problem solvers who often had to use their wits to get out of a jam of their own making. More than a few trips were made to the emergency room because boys decided to replicate what Kirk did to defeat the Gorn.

Then I saw that the Drinker had a review or preview about whatever they were doing with Star Trek, so I gave it a listen. Turns out it is not a new film or series, but a short that is something of a farewell for William Shatner. In less than ten minutes it covers the life of the character he created for the series. There is no dialogue, just computer enhanced images and a soundtrack.

It is a poignant and beautiful farewell to the man who played the role, but also the characters and the series that made the franchise possible. It a short goodbye to a long career and the relationship with the fans. It is exceedingly rare for Hollywood to do anything with dignity and class these days, but this is as close as you get to an honorable death in the entertainment business.

It is ironic, in a way, that Shatner would go out with such class, given that he is an old school carny in many ways. He was known for a willingness to take any role that paid, no matter how ridiculous. His run as TJ Hooker in a television cop show was a long running joke because it was so silly. Shatner was an anything for a buck sort of guy, which often meant taking less than dignified jobs.

On the other hand, it is these sorts of carnies who tend to be the most grateful for and humble about their success. They treat their job as a profession. Michael Cain and Clint Eastwood are other examples. Their job, as they saw it, was to make entertainment product for paying customers. These are the types who avoid politics and just shut up and sing, so to speak.

Maybe that is why Shatner could be part of this poignant goodbye. He is 93 and his health is not good. This is the final role of his career, so he could put what he has left in the tank into it. How much he was able to do is unknown, but the mere fact that he was willing to do it speaks well of him. He respects the role he played, because he respects the audience that made his life possible.

As far as the film itself, it brought back many memories of sitting on the living room floor after school watching the crew of the Enterprise explore the world. It also reminded me of the wonderful scene in The Wrath of Khan where Spock dies and utters the famous line to his old friend Kirk, ““I have been – and always shall be – your friend.” In the theater when I saw it, you could hear a pin drop.

That was the beauty of the original series, something I came to appreciate as I got older, and that is it was a show about a group of men, adventuring through life, not as solo acts but as part of a brotherhood. If you are lucky as a man, you go on your journey with a group of mates, losing and adding some along the way. The ones you lose will be waiting for you on the other side. The ones you add will carry you there.

That is another lesson of the original series. In my life the people who have given me the business for liking the series have always turned out to be people wearing a red shirt, the people who could never get the previous paragraph. Life is for living, which means taking risks. What makes it sweet is doing so with your crew. A man lives and dies inside his *kóryos or he never lives at all.

Another thing that came to mind watching this short was that no one under the age of fifty will get any of it. If you are a millennial, the original series had been supplanted by the sterile nothingness of The Next Generation, which replaced the pirate-ship-in-space concept with the corporate division in space idea. Then came the HR department in space and then the remote field office in space.

More important, the concepts of brotherhood and the noble male life had pretty much disappeared from the culture. Even in my youth these ideas were being mocked by buddy comedies and the action hero. Mel Gibson was a lot of fun in Lethal Weapon, but by normal cultural standards, his character was a loser. The same was true for all the action heroes, who were solitary figures unable to be part of the Männerbund.

Therein lies some flickers of good news. At the AmRen conference I saw groups of young guys, which is not so common. Going to a conference to hear old men moan about the state of the world is not much of an adventure, but it is a start. There are groups like the Old Glory Club forming up for young guys to join. They may not have had these concepts fed to them as children, but the seeds are still there.

That may be why a relatively unsuccessful television series has cast such a long shadow, despite Hollywood trying to kill it. It is based on eternal truths about the human condition and the male role in life. No amount of cultural vandalism can plow under these truths to the point where they cannot grow again. Those who recall the old truths may be in their winter, but spring will come again.

If you like my work and wish to donate, you can buy me a beer. You can sign up for a SubscribeStar or a Substack subscription and get some extra content. You can donate via PayPal. My crypto addresses are here for those who prefer that option. You can send gold bars through the postal service to: Z Media LLC P.O. Box 1047 Berkeley Springs, WV 25411-3047. Thank you for your support!

**Promotions: **Good Svffer is an online retailer partnering with several prolific content creators on the Dissident Right, both designing and producing a variety of merchandise including shirts, posters, and books. If you are looking for a way to let the world know you are one of us without letting the world know you are one one is us, then you should but a shirt with the Lagos Trading Company logo.

Minter & Richter Designs makes high-quality, hand-made by one guy in Boston, titanium wedding rings for men and women and they are now offering readers a fifteen percent discount on purchases if you use this link. If you are headed to Boston, they are also offering my readers 20% off their 5-star rated Airbnb. Just email them directly to book at sa@******************ns.com.

To keep Z Man's voice alive for future generations, we’ve archived his writings from the original site at thezman.com. We’ve edited out ancillary links, advertisements, and donation requests to focus on his written content.

Comments (Historical)

The comments below were originally posted to thezman.com.

106 Comments

Trek #434388 November 29, 2024 8:43 am 29

The originalStar Trekseries was what good science fiction offers: an optimistic view of the future. And men get there by using their minds and their bodies, their intelligence and their emotions. It was a band of swashbuckling brothers seeking out new adventures. It emphasized science, technology, engineering and the power of the logical mind.Good point aboutStar Trek the next generation. Some episodes are good but it is the corporate division, and Picard is a dull, efficient bureaucrat.The rebooted series had a chance to recapture that spirit but blew it. At the end of the 2009 movie they showed Spock and Kirk walking together as a team. It was a powerful moment. By the next movie, Spock was being a tattletale against Kirk over some silly rule infraction. Hollywood either cannot understand the bond between heterosexual men or they are actively hostile to it.

duttchmn007 #434389 November 29, 2024 9:05 am 13

Trek –“Hollywood either cannot understand the bond between heterosexual men or they are actively hostile to it.”They don’t now but they did; that very bond you speak of was the basis for several films of late, great Director Sam Peckinpah. In “The Wild Bunch”(1969) the West is changing, the bunch is getting older, & running out of banks to rob & places to run. In the end, they sacrifice it all to bring back one of their own. In “Cross of Iron” (1977) a highly decorated non-com butts heads with an elitist superior while trying to hold his platoon together on the Russian Front. When the non-com refuses to bear false witness for a battlefield decoration unearned, he & his platoon are left to the mercy of the Russians during a retreat. In “Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid” (1973) one friend is forced to turn on the other & hunt him down. It’s a story about two men who really love & respect one another (not in a queer way) forced by circumstance apart.Hollywood used to get it. They don’t anymore.

Ostei Kozelskii #434420 November 29, 2024 11:26 am 15

The 2005 version of Billy the Kid is certainly one of the greatest westerns ever made. I think Peckinpah would approve of the reconstruction job. As an aside, Braveheart catches a lot of flack for its historical innacuracies, but as amannerbundfilm that revolves around thevolkgeistand the masculine virtues–now maligned as toxic masculinity, alas–its a tour de force.

LGC #434491 November 30, 2024 12:55 pm 8

I would also put Master and Commander in there. A group of men banded together against the weather, enemy, circumstances, grows together and accomplishes missions. Probably the last of the “men” stories.

ray #434404 November 29, 2024 10:13 am 28

Hollywood either cannot understand the bond between heterosexual men or they are actively hostile to it.’ Both.

Compsci #434442 November 29, 2024 1:42 pm 17

Of course. Who populates Hollywood now? Not men for certain. Just “boys” pretending to be men—if that. Go back to the golden days. WWII occurs, and the Hollywood “elite” spring into action. One after another standing in line to enlist. None needed to see combat, but most all insisted, or no enlistment. Clark Gabel for example, was a door gunner. He would brook no bond selling tours.That year’s academy award winner, Jimmy Steward, stood in line, was rejected as “underweight, went home and worked out for months to return and pass the physical. He flew missions over Germany and was so damn good he was promoted to squadron commander—a desk job. However, he was noted for flying missions on the side—frowned on, but not uncommon. He was finally promoted to Brigadier General in the reserves.I can go on, but you get the picture. We are not once we once were.

karl von hungus #434458 November 29, 2024 3:03 pm 2

guess which star did not serve? 😛

Compsci #434467 November 29, 2024 4:59 pm 4

The biggest I would say out of hand was John Wayne—the so called man’s man. I leave the door open for other contributions. I never said there were not exceptions, only point to general differences in the populous then and now. Two modern *stars* worth mentioning were Roger Starbuck and Pat Tillman. Roger volunteering for Vietnam, Tillman for 9/11 Sandbox wars. Of course these stars were Alpha men to begin with. Tillman for his troubles was killed by friendly fire, while Roger only lost productive athletic years.

Ostei Kozelskii #434473 November 29, 2024 6:10 pm 6

Rumor had it that Tillman was fragged. No idea if that’s true.

Compsci #434485 November 30, 2024 11:39 am 2

I never heard that, but upon investigation you are correct. It was rumored. The later version of Tillman’s death (3 shots to the head) is suspicious in the extreme. Nonetheless, that Tillman left a multimillion dollar career to serve a nation attacked remains the main point. In truth, at that time I was prepared to serve as did a number of us old (just under 40) farts. Did some range training with a number of the call-ups from the Reserves. That was then, this is now.

Ostei Kozelskii #434474 November 29, 2024 6:11 pm 1

And he was tormented by guilt to the grave.

Filthie #434412 November 29, 2024 11:06 am 1

Was it? Hey – liked it as much as anyone and it was a cornerstone of my youthful TV viewing too… but really… it was just space opera. It has been done since the 40s in the days of Asimov.

Oswald Spengler #434427 November 29, 2024 11:52 am 5

“Good point aboutStar Trek the next generation. Some episodes are good but it is the corporate division, and Picard is a dull, efficient bureaucrat.” The original Star Trek was a Western set in outer space (“Wagon Train to the stars” is how Gene Roddenberry pitched it to NBC executives). There are several ST:TNG episodes in which Picard or RIker envy the freedom of action that Starfleet captains of Kirk’s era had or they lament the obstacles they have to face from bureaucratic meddling by the Federation or Starfleet Command.

Out on a limb and sawin away #434433 November 29, 2024 12:36 pm -9

“The measure of a man” was my favorite TNG episode, where Picard is forced to advocate for Data after a scientist claims the right to deconstruct and study Data as he is not “sentient”. The scene with Whoopie Goldberg about slavery was well done.

Hokkoda #434488 November 30, 2024 11:46 am 9

These are the same freaks who can’t understand the friendship between Sam and Frodo in LOTR…a novel and film largely devoid of women with a couple notable exceptions. I’ve always believed that the people responsible for trying to gay-up normal male bonds never had a genuine friend.

OrangeFrog #434402 November 29, 2024 10:11 am 24

I often see this “bond between men” thing in many shows of the old days. Whilst I’m just under forty, I do remember watching the originalStar Trekas a youngster, and finding it great fun. Everything about it, to me, was epic. Of course, at the time, the idea that this was a story about male kinship and what bunches of blokes close together can achieve, was lost on me. Perhaps that’s why I watch so many older shows now – this group behaviour is unapologetically represented.This is absolutely an aspect of manhood that women don’t really seem to get. It’s one reason that the idea of letting women into the Armed Forces, for example, holds no sway with me. Womensimply don’t form the same sort of bonds that men form. Of course, it is this very reason that entities that become dominated by females have an entirely different dynamic.Many years ago, when I was starting out as a desk jockey, I worked shuffling files for an old time building contractor. The banter and joking was legendary, the office personnel and their attitudes coming right out of the 70s. Had one guy, a black guy, whose nickname was “Bones”. He used to come into work, always smiling, yet getting berated by his project manager who often belittled him. But he took it well, he was a nice fellow to be fair.One day, old Bones comes in wearing a belt buckle saying “England” on it. Project manager: “Oi Bones, what t’fuck ya wearin’ that for? You ain’t English, are ya?”. Everyone laughed. Despite what outsiders (especially Leftists and women) would think, Bones was well liked and good company. People just had a laugh and nothing was off limits.Men form strong, deep bonds. And we can go years without speaking, and then, just like that, we speak again as no time has passed.Hope you and all readers are well, Z. God bless you all.

fakeemail #434445 November 29, 2024 2:01 pm 14

“Womensimply don’t form the same sort of bonds that men form.” What’s more, the presence of women in male roles will divide, weaken, and on some level embitter and humiliate men.

Compsci #434470 November 29, 2024 5:42 pm 20

Tell me about it.Just got back from yesterday’s Thanksgiving with family out of town. Can’t help thinking about it. At the dinner table—getting smaller each year as us oldsters pass on—were the women and we are blessed with small grandchildren from the two youngest. Women who raise children have my greatest respect. You must be “bred” for it. Pun intended.As I sat quietly at the table with the other grown men, I thought about what was occurring this Thanksgiving as compared to others I’ve experienced, especially as I experienced such in the last couple of decades and compared it to my youth.Thanksgiving prayers are no longer said. Nor is seating according to any standard—a 5 yo can be seated at the head of the table! The women sat the grandchildren at the large table and this completely distracted from any meaningful, in depth conversation. The discussion was completely taken over by the women and was totally meaningless drivel primarily centered on the children who required constant attention—and they got it. But the real depressing aspect was the other men also seemed to join in on such nonsense. Children and their needs are important, but is last week’s fever or runny nose a meaningful subject? Or whose book on child rearing is currently being read? Obviously not for me and my (former) role in the family.When the main meal was over, the women cleared the table and in 10 seconds or so, the men moved seats such that we were all across from each other and a real—or at least male—conversation began that discussed work, financial futures, and other such “masculine” concerns. No, not political arguments per se. We do have our limits.This had me thinking during the trip home just how different things are now than before. The answer I’ve come up with is the feminization of society which seems to affect the men in our family as well. Another one is how the (American) culture has changed from my European roots.When I was small, children *never* sat at the “adult” table. It was a great coming of age event when your father/mother let you sit at the adult table—with of course the proviso you kept your mouth shut and listened. The conversation topics seemed different as well, or at least were not so centric on the children, their upbringing, and (cute) foibles.Well, perhaps I’ve just lived too long and am growing old…. It’s not my house, so I accept what is offered thankfully. It just doesn’t feel the same however and I can’t help feeling it doesn’t bode well for the future.

mmack #434482 November 30, 2024 9:10 am 5

This had me thinking during the trip home just how different things are now than before. The answer I’ve come up with is the feminization of society which seems to affect the men in our family as well.I was thinking about this before I responded and I think it’s not just Feminism, it’s Liberalism in general that’s at the root of all this.Thanksgiving prayers are no longer saidHey, no need to bring God into this. (Sidebar: I was honored the first time I was allowed to say Grace before a big family dinner.)Nor is seating according to any standard—a 5 yo can be seated at the head of the table!Everyone’s position is equal and we all can equally contribute to the conversation. And it’s sexist to have the Man of the House at the head of the table.The women sat the grandchildren at the large table and this completely distracted from any meaningful, in depth conversation. The discussion was completely taken over by the women and was totally meaningless drivel primarily centered on the children who required constant attention—and they got it.Again, we can all equally contribute to the conversation and parents are supposed to take every waking moment to fuss and obsess over their children don’t you know. I mean however will they get into a “Good” college if you don’t?But the real depressing aspect was the other men also seemed to join in on such nonsense. Children and their needs are important, but is last week’s fever or runny nose a meaningful subject?Men have to “Take Up The Burden” of raising their children or they’re a Deadbeat Dad and Thank God we have all these Strong Women to remind them when they screw up the child rearing.When the main meal was over, the women cleared the table and in 10 seconds or so, the men moved seats such that we were all across from each other and a real—or at least male—conversation began that discussed work, financial futures, and other such “masculine” concerns. No, not political arguments per se. We do have our limits.“More important, the concepts of brotherhood and the noble male life had pretty much disappeared from the culture.” – ZFunny thing, they keep pushing their way back in.When I was small, children *never* sat at the “adult” table.Same here, and same when we hosted a Thanksgiving or Christmas meal for the family as adults.It was a great coming of age event when your father/mother let you sit at the adult table—with of course the proviso you kept your mouth shut and listened. The conversation topics seemed different as well, or at least were not so centric on the children, their upbringing, and (cute) foibles.Something’s changed, and one thing I think is the loss of the idea that there are “adult” spaces (And I don’t mean the Pink Pony ‘Adult’ Lounge) that children should be kept separate from. Alternatively the idea it’s allowable for adults to have a life and interests separate from children seems to be verboten. As an example, breweries and distilleries. What is the primary focus of a brewery? To brew and sell beer, often to be drunk on site. What is the primary focus of a distillery? To distill, age, and sell spirits for consumption, often on site. Being in the US, one must be 21 to purchase and consume alcohol.Yet many breweries and distilleries are “Family Friendly” and I see people bringing in children in baby car seats and strollers into each and have to wonder “you couldn’t find a baby sitter?”Not to mention the older children that run around unsupervised like little hellions.The idea that there are adult spaces (Where Adult does not equal Sex) where adults can be free of children and free to talk far away from “prying little ears”. seems dead and buried.It just doesn’t feel the same however and I can’t help feeling it doesn’t bode well for the future.I dunno, I think a lot of guys are tired of the Girlboss shtick and being told that being male makes them deficient.

Compsci #434484 November 30, 2024 11:24 am 4

Very well put. Thanks for the addition to the original post. I just had to get it out there—I feel better now. 😉 It is a bit better when folks come to my house. I manage the seating and keep the women and children to at least one side of the table, the men on the other. Pre and post dinner, I’m usually successful in dragging most men from the Family Room and Kitchen to the (blessed) isolation of the Living Room.

mmack #434453 November 29, 2024 2:22 pm 11

One day, old Bones comes in wearing a belt buckle saying “England” on it. Project manager: “Oi Bones, what t’fuck ya wearin’ that for? You ain’t English, are ya?”. Everyone laughed. Despite what outsiders (especially Leftists and women) would think, Bones was well liked and good company. People just had a laugh and nothing was off limits.Many decades ago I worked in a garage during my summers off in college that had an all male staff. Shop managers came and went and one summer we had an older black man named Johnny as a manager.Normally we all wore mechanic’s overalls, including the managers, but one day Johnny came in in a shirt, tie, dress shoes and pants. One technician looked at him and said to him “Hey Johnny, why are you dressed up so fancy?”Without missing a beat another technician said aloud “Ain’t you heard? Johnny went to the Doctor and the Doctor told him “Johnny, you’re impotent.” Johnny figured if he’s impo-tant he better dress impo-tant.”The entire shop and Johnny burst out into laughter, although Johnny teased “I’ll get you for that!”, through his laughter. Today we’d all be hauled into a “Sensitivity Session” by Corporate HR.Women simply don’t form the same sort of bonds that men form. Of course, it is this very reason that entities that become dominated by females have an entirely different dynamic.Women always “claim” they can be “One of the Boys” but they really can’t because their emotions override their attitude and they go “crying off to teacher” over what for guys is a little “busting of balls”.Soon everybody walks around on eggshells because goodness knows what you’ll say that will set them off.Men form strong, deep bonds. And we can go years without speaking, and then, just like that, we speak again as no time has passed.Men can communicate effectively, and often with fewer words, than gals. Indeed, we are suspect of men that talk like women and gab on without saying anything. In the old days, a “What are you, a chick?” would be the response to someone whining or prattling on.

OrangeFrog #434468 November 29, 2024 5:08 pm 10

mmack,So true. All of it.It’s all so evident now that I’m a parent of three young boys. We take them to these play areas, and you can immediately see a difference between the girls and boys.Boys are simply more rambunctious and get on with things. The girls cry and tattletale no end! Of course, there are exceptions, but those seem to be rare.My favourite retort to my wife (or female relations) when they start emoting about something, or asking why I don’t seem to care about something is: “I’m not a woman”.One thing that all women do seem to do is obsess, in a way men do not, over what other women and men think of them. Seems to dominate their thoughts.Hope you and yours are well.

Compsci #434479 November 29, 2024 9:50 pm 1

Great insight. Thanks.

Gideon #434438 November 29, 2024 1:19 pm 20

Star Trek TOS reruns were an after-school TV staple for many a boy growing up. What we didn’t notice at the time was how Jewish that show was. The pilot episode, “The Cage” (aired as the two-part “The Menagerie”), abounds with Jewishness. An alien race of Talosians are living underground on a planet whose surface was devastated by war with specimens collected from all over the galaxy whom they manipulate with illusions drawn telepathically from their respective memories—happy experiences as a reward, terrifying ones as punishment. TheTalosianshave become so caught up in living through others’ lives, we are told, that they have lost the ability to live life on their own, even forgetting how to maintain the civilization they inherited. How interesting!As in Star Trek, our rulers mesmerize us with visions of a utopian future ranging from mass migration to the Ukraine conflict. It’s not so much that they are lying to us as it is that the illusion has become more important to them than the reality. So-called misinformation must by all means be suppressed, since, quoting from “The Cage”, “they can’t actually make you do anything you don’t want to do”. TheirAchilles’ heel, according to the teleplay, is an inability to break through anger and primitive thoughts. That may explain why they have yet failed to convince Putin he’s losing, or to put Haitians off their dietary habits. In “The Cage”, the problem was resolved through a quarantine of Talos IV. Of course, that is the exact opposite we can expect from our elites with Jewishness.

Oswald Spengler #434440 November 29, 2024 1:27 pm 6

“The Talosians have become so caught up in living through others’ lives, we are told, that they have lost the ability to live life on their own, even forgetting how to maintain the civilization they inherited.” Post-nuclear apocalypse Talos IV sounds eerily like modern-day Clown World.

ray #434397 November 29, 2024 10:02 am 17

Yup Star Trek to Captain America, Hollywood must snuff all our iconic (and positive) male exemplars because Hollywood — like elite America — is anti-masculine. Not enough groceries in the bags. They damn sure don’t hide their loathing of us, either.They’re afraid of brotherhood taking root in America, to which the OP alludes. That’s what keeps them up at night; it’s really the only threat they have to fear. So they belittle males while dissing and separating dad from the family unit, then celebrate single women, single motherhood, and the associated Welfare State. Nice going LBJ!The Prog agenda has been ruinous for the nation’s sons, ejected from its bounty, and that’s why the place is failing. The U.S. is a Longhouse. Its hub is a world-devouring, corrupt District named for their idiotic goddess, Columbia. P.S. that’s also where they keep their political prisoners. Constitution what?The Capitol Rotunda features the Apotheosis of Washington . . . Gen’rul George enthroned upon clouds, surrounded by a gaggle of female deities. Who needs Jesus, we’re our own gods now!

Mycale #434432 November 29, 2024 12:23 pm 15

I never did a deep dive on this because I bailed out of Marvel long ago, but it’s crazy how, after the last Avengers, how many of their products were “old stale pale male hero is stepping aside, passing the torch to this stunning and brave woman/black guy.” And of course, they made sure to humiliate all the heroes on their way out. Of course, this entire franchise collapsed immediately after and in a fit of desperation, Disney backed up the Brinks truck to bring Robert Downey Jr. back. RDJR’s character in these movies was so popular because he essentially was just a handsome rich chad, basically playing 80’s Trump, especially in the first movie. It’s crazy how few people in Hollywood get this and they are just totally incapable of getting it.It’s telling that even after decades of rot, people instinctively seek this sort of character out, even without understanding it, and reject any attempts to establish another archetype as the lead.

ray #434444 November 29, 2024 2:00 pm 6

I don’t play computer games but doods that do reported a similar New Woman Order ‘diversification’ of gaming scripts and products. Nobody bought the stuff. Word travels fast in that sub-community and only the ideologues and fembots wanted Mary Sue Kickass at the center of their gaming episodes, along with p.c.-sensitized scripts. I dunno what they did to get around it… maybe used older product versions that are pre-woke. Culture war is omnipresent.

Zfan #434390 November 29, 2024 9:18 am 14

“There are groups like the Old Glory Club forming up for young guys to join. They may not have had these concepts fed to them as children, but the seeds are still there.”I hate to see that the Boy Scouts have almost disappeared and that military service is greatly diminished as a place for men to bond in service to a greater purpose. I am glad that team sports and even fraternities haven’t been extinguished, but they are not for every man. The local volunteer fire department is a group I contribute to, but was never able to actually serve in. I am heartened that groups like Old Glory Club and other identitarian groups are springing up and I’d love to see Catholic or other Christian men’s groups for young men gain traction. (I have girls) Time for me to get out there and be of service to the younger folks.

duttchmn007 #434394 November 29, 2024 9:40 am 16

“…the Boy Scouts have almost disappeared and that military service is greatly diminished as a place for men to bond in service to a greater purpose.” Indeed & that is all by design; they were attacked as “bastions of male chauvinism/white supremacy” & destroyed.

karl von hungus #434401 November 29, 2024 10:09 am -25

the scouts were pedo bait from day one, it was just covered up (like the catholic priest, and public school staff).

karl von hungus #434413 November 29, 2024 11:10 am -6

can’t handle the truth eh? or just pro pedo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_sex_abuse_cases the BSA went BK because of all the abuse lawsuits. morons. why would the scouts be immune to this universal phenomena – where there are concentrations of kids, there will be concentrations of pedos.

JeffBezosSucksWetFartsOutOfDeadPigeons #434421 November 29, 2024 11:30 am 11

Imagine believing Wikipedia.

Ostei Kozelskii #434424 November 29, 2024 11:38 am 25

Those instances of pedophilia do not vitiate the positive influences the Scouts exerted on many generations of America boys.

Compsci #434464 November 29, 2024 4:30 pm 19

Total nonsense with a grain of truth to make it sound plausible. As an old scout leader let me tell you the truth, not the Wiki bullshit.Any organization such as the Boy Scouts or Priesthood attracts scum such as pedo homo’s. However, unlike the Catholic hierarchy, the Scout hierarchy did not advocate nor hide homosexuality (Note: At that time) and instituted many precautions against sexual abuse.For one, Scout masters had training wrt interactions with boys. Long and short, you were never allowed to interact alone with boys under your guidance. I never was on an outing where there were not several adults in attendance with the boys. Same with local meeting for merit badge work and such.Second, whether public knowledge or not, the Scouts did not want, nor admit homo’s—suspected or otherwise. Scout masters in my years of experience were *never* single men. If there was a rumor even of any such untoward interactions, the Scout master “disappeared” (left the role of active volunteer).Third, a good portion—perhaps 30% of the scouts—were there because they were in need of good masculine role models. Single mothers often dragged their “fatherless spawn” to us for “guidance”. We did what we could, but being a father is full-time and some of these kids were, to say the least “quite confused.” I can imagine lawsuits from these as a version of the “ghetto lottery” we often speak of.But yeah, homosexuality *did* kill the Boy Scouts, because the homo lobby wished to destroy the Scouts as they do all such organizations. First they wanted a “don’t tell, don’t ask” policy for scouts—and got it through boycotts and lobbying against the use of public facilities for Scouting use. Then, likewise for Scout masters. The homo lobby forced these people in with full knowledge of the result.Of course, “gay rights” is the kiss of death for any organization and enrollment declined. Then the National BSA organization came up with the idea to admit females to advanced scouting in hopes of rescue and increased membership, and that was the final straw. The Mormons pulled out and the Catholics balked.Scouting is dead, but it was a victim—not a perpetrator of the homo agenda. The only amazement I have of this outcome is how short a time period the process took—less than 20 years.

ProZNoV #434419 November 29, 2024 11:23 am 18

Public schools are statistically much worse. We give them a hall pass because day care is expensive out of pocket.

LineInTheSand #434472 November 29, 2024 5:58 pm 4

Do you think that it is unlikely that fathers would want to gather with other fathers to instill good values in their sons without there being lascivious intent? I guess it’s part of my faith that such organizations are possible, but I guess I could be wrong. Hope not.

Vizzini #434475 November 29, 2024 6:11 pm 9

You fall for the lie that because the left has gutted something and is wearing it like a skinsuit, it was always bad.

Steve #434416 November 29, 2024 11:15 am 26

This is why my sons former scout troop disbanded. One of the boys there brought his younger sister along and initially the other boys were a bit wary, but that wariness turned into disgust when the sister began bringing her friends to the meetings.My son and the other boys told the scoutmaster they were leaving and the guy knew it was coming, so he wasn’t surprised. Dealing with his friend who brought his sister along wasn’t as easy. When my son explained the decision to his him, the kid got his nose bent out of joint because he felt that my son was betraying their friendship. My son toldme that his friend simply couldn’t understand his decision and then finally in a fit of pique, my son told me that laid into the other kid and told him, “Things were fun until you brought Carrie here. Then she started bringing her friends here and now instead of us working as a team, we have Carrie and her friends constantly interrupting us, making comments instead of helping and your sister constantly yelling “Stop, you’re doing it wrong!” At everyone and you wonder why me and the others are leaving?”This eventually led to a heated argument between the wife and I when this same girl came looking for money to raise for her Eagle Scout project and I told her no. The wife of course took issue with my decision, citing the fact that we had been friends with the parents ever since we moved into the neighborhood and I told her I didn’t care, Carrie had no business being in the Boy Scouts, let alone being an Eagle Scout.

pie #434434 November 29, 2024 12:45 pm 6

yep, i remember as a child building forts. “don’t tell the girls” and “no girls allowed”. someone would always falter. i cannot imagine the horror if girls were part of my boy scout troop. funny, i cannot remember exactly why the aversion to girls. something to do with the adventure for the day and not having any stragglers. girls were ok at foursquare and skip rope, but always the prime target in dodgeball. very few girls would attempt dodgeball and i never saw a girl play kill the man with the ball. puzzling, the girls were bigger too. now i do remember the biggest kid in grade school was a girl. she had taken a shine to me and easily knocked out the front teeth of my daily rival. wow, the power.

Ostei Kozelskii #434460 November 29, 2024 3:08 pm 14

Kill the Man with the Ball, more accurately known as Smear the Queer. I suspect Big School Marm now frowns mightily upon that one…

Ostei Kozelskii #434423 November 29, 2024 11:36 am 20

Were the Boy Scouts destroyed, or did they simply capitulate? Regardless, the Scouts accepting girls and pervs was one of the clearest signs that America was dead.

Maniac #434430 November 29, 2024 12:11 pm 17

A little of both. Membership and financial support were both on the skids, so they assumed that allowing girls in would help. They were wrong, of course, because, as Steve highlighted, girls have a way of ruining anything they come within a fifty-foot radius of.

Steve #434439 November 29, 2024 1:27 pm 16

A large part of that argument was the wife saying, “You can’t blame this on the girls. The mothers that run Carries troop won’t do things like camping, hikes and canoe trips. Their idea of a big day for the girls is going to the spa. The girls like Carrie who want more, what are they supposed to do?”It was at this point that I regretted marrying this woman and I became incredulous as I said to her, “You replace the mothers who won’t take the girls on the trips with mothers who will, you don’t demand that the girls be let into The Boy Scouts and then tell the scoutmaster “They’re your responsibility now, you find a way to make it work.” that isn’t fair to our son, or the other boys there.”She just reiterated her previous statement, to which I responded, “This is why we have so many problems in this country, you and people like you are never going to get it, even when it’s spelled out for you.”

pie #434449 November 29, 2024 2:07 pm 4

bummer, hope it works out for you. i remember my wife was a huge obama fan. that quickly changed when our son joined the military. some must be invested for perspective.

ray #434450 November 29, 2024 2:10 pm 2

Well done.

Compsci #434465 November 29, 2024 4:43 pm 7

Hear, hear. The Girl Scouts of America had become “poz’d” at least 20 years ago before the Boy Scouts, thanks completely to the local chapters being headed by activist feminists. My wife was a Girl Scouts leader when we were first dating. As to girls going camping and such, what happened to “Campfire Girls”. In my youth females went there for such activities.

pie #434446 November 29, 2024 2:01 pm 2

agreed. i do not see many american wild west boys. i do see boys with the gangster disrespect attitude. my own boy started with gangster clothes and attitude young. cured him of the ailment in home, but maintained his quest outside of the home. grades dropped, i packed up his fashion clothes and outfitted him with the most plain and generic clothes from walmart. grades came up and i returned the fashionable clothes. he is a young adult now, been through the military of his own accord and still has a disrespect attitude. fortunately reality is teaching him the importance of being an insensitive, adaptable man. reality is the plague to these kids. thinking it better to spend all accumulated wealth, be better for him to reach manhood. i think he is anticipating the inheritance and looses all drive.

BigJimSportCamper #434462 November 29, 2024 4:08 pm 5

Post Vatican II Pope JP II the Grooviest EVAR did the same thing with altar boys, otherwise known as acolytes, considered a minor order and for many a first step towards the Roman Catholic sacred orders – the priesthood. He gave the OK for girls to perform these duties and now they were all called ‘altar servers’. Predictably, the boys beat feet and the vocation pipeline, already in jeopardy, dried up. Wasn’t enough for the babes, now they’re hooting and hollering for female deacons and, of course, the priesthood.Of course, they made the guy a saint…ugh

c matt #434543 December 2, 2024 10:40 am 1

Not my fave pope, but I think it was more a caving in to a fait accompli than an “OK”. Still, you would think that a man who could stand up to communism could have stood up to altar girls.

ray #434448 November 29, 2024 2:06 pm 15

The Boy Scouts were targeted and destroyed by the Left. Overrun by homos and a feminist, libertine culture. When I grew up (mid-Pliocene) the Scouts were v popular with boys. My brother joined for a few years and liked it. Lotsa outdoors stuff. Can’t have all that uncontrolled maleness running around loose now, can we?

Lucius Sulla #434395 November 29, 2024 9:43 am 42

The K of C would be a possibility if the old boomer men would step aside and leave room for the young men to lead. But they hang on until death. My local council is basically a septuagenarian and octogenarian social club.It was particularly embarrassing during the COVID crap in my council when “men” who call themselves “knights” wouldn’t meet in person for 1.5 years, and then required so-called “vaccines” for members to meet in person. I let the Grand Knight know what I thought of that and resigned.These “men” don’t seem to realize that the founder, Fr. McGivney, during a flu epidemic, still ministered to sick people and ended up dying of the flu. He didn’t hide out in his basement.Fags.

Ben the Layabout #434409 November 29, 2024 10:54 am 16

My tale isn’t quite as heroic. In 2020 my AA group did not meet for over a year. When it resumed they required wearing a mask. In fairness it was landlord imposing that requirement. I said approximately “I’m tired of this bullshit. Call me when they drop the mask requirement.” (For me that is pretty strong language in that group.) And a month or two later they called me.

Zfan #434455 November 29, 2024 2:26 pm 4

Replying to Ben and Lucius Sulla. I left ministry in the Episcopal Church a half decade before Covid and I cannot say for certain that I would have been heroic in standing up to the state and the bishop’s office going full bs online mass, etc. I am sure that I would not have left the sick or shut-ins alone without sacraments or human contact. Where I relocated to I noted that among those that did resist were the Orthodox and SSPX and FSSP Catholic traditionalists. When the next “emergency” arises I trust resistance will be much stronger

Bwana Simba #434454 November 29, 2024 2:25 pm 6

Are there any men’s groups for boys and young men to join? I too have noticed the boomers won’t let go of the reins in these old groups, and have been looking for something.

Templar #434476 November 29, 2024 6:14 pm 4

c matt #434542 December 2, 2024 10:30 am 0

To be fair, it probably depends a lot on the local KofC chapter. As for the old boomer men, at least in my chapter, it is more a matter of no one else having the time for leadership positions – most of the leaders are retired, and the younger members (we have a few) simply can’t make the time commitment. I don’t recall our chapter suspending in person meetings during the scamdemic, but I may have just missed them.

Bwana Simba #434456 November 29, 2024 2:28 pm 1

Is there any equivalent to the Old Glory Club on the West Coast?

fakeemail #434447 November 29, 2024 2:06 pm 10

Not rain on the parade of old Trekkies, but as the original series was a bit before my time I found it brainlessly egalitarian and “civil right-sy.” It doesn’t have a clue, nor wishes to explore, how an advanced and moral civilization would be formed.

c matt #434534 December 2, 2024 10:09 am 1

The closest show I have seen to explore that formation was Man in the High Castle. But the advanced and moral civilization was cast as the bad guys. Go figure.

Diversity Heretic #434398 November 29, 2024 10:02 am 10

I think that the original seriesStar Trekwas based loosely on James Cook’s voyages of discovery aboardEndeavor. IIRC, the original starship was namedEndeavor, later changed toEnterprise. I don’t think I would watch the original series with as much as enthusiasm as Z-man, since my recollection is that many of the episodes were basically 60’s era morality plays, resolved according to the most avant garde 60s attitudes.

karl von hungus #434400 November 29, 2024 10:08 am 16

if by morality play you mean kirk banging alien poon, then yes, that is what it was about.

Diversity Heretic #434408 November 29, 2024 10:45 am 6

There were several episodes devoted to racial equality; even one that attributed all racial differences to environmental factors.

karl von hungus #434411 November 29, 2024 11:04 am -3

i know the episode you mean, but i think you have misunderstood what it was really about. in the episode there are two groups on the planet, with one half their face white, and the other black; except the two groups have have mirror images of each other (one group is right side white, the other group is white side left). in the end the two groups destroy their own civilization. i would compare this to the relatively recent genocide in Rwanda, between two rival groups who were the same race.the one episode that *was* an explicit racial message was when Kirk and Uhura kissed.once you introduce aliens from different planets, the racial angle really does get minimized significantly.

Compsci #434451 November 29, 2024 2:13 pm 7

“…the relatively recent genocide in Rwanda, between two rival groups who were the same race.” A quibble. The Hutus and Tutsi may be the same “negroid” race but are quite different in appearance (to me anyway) and I’m told were quite different in socioeconomic achievement due primarily to past colonizationof Belgium—who found/considered the Tutsi’s more intelligent and hard working. The Belgian used them during their occupation and they prospered accordingly. Of course, being a successful minority in a Black country is fraught with danger as we see here with Whites anywhere in proximity to Blacks. 😉

Ostei Kozelskii #434461 November 29, 2024 3:14 pm 2

Basically, different tribes. I think the Hutus are taller and skinnier, the Tutsis shorter and fatter.

Compsci #434478 November 29, 2024 9:37 pm 4

Yes, what I’m trying to get across is that Africa is a nation of different tribes or “ethnics”. A wonderful observable example of human biological and behavioral difference. This observation of course proving races *are* real and important in human interaction and relationships.

Arnauld Amalric #434634 December 2, 2024 4:37 pm 0

You haven’t seen real racism until you’ve seen Africa. For us, an African is an African, but they see worlds of difference and may give you a tyre necklace if you’re from the wrong village.

Diversity Heretic #434481 November 30, 2024 1:11 am 3

I remember that episode with Frank Gorshin, but the episode I was thinking of involved two groups of people living on a planet. The first group (high IQ) lived in a cloud world named Stratos, while the other group lived on the ground and were basically low-IQ miners. It turned out that the difference between the two was the presence of a gas on the ground. Move a person from Stratos to the ground and he quickly became a violent, low-IQ ground dweller. Sort of Steve Sailer’s magic dirt in reverse.In fairness to Star Trek The Original Series, I”m not sure how I would react to the vast majority of 60s era shows that I enjoyed at the time. One just sees things differently now.

David Wright #434407 November 29, 2024 10:38 am 7

The book Gilligan Unbound examines the messages of 60s tv such as aforementioned and Star Trek. Manifest destiny with liberalism as it’s guiding force. Then the falling away with shows such as X files.

Compsci #434443 November 29, 2024 1:58 pm 12

“…many of the episodes were basically 60’s era morality plays, resolved according to the most avant garde 60s attitudes.”Definitely. Actually worse, they were Roddenberry’s force feeding of nascent Leftism to the audience as was the bent of Hollywood in the late 60’s and 70’s. Example, Kirk kissing Uhura. Miscegenation writ live for all to see.What I enjoy of the original Star Trek is the hit and miss of the (predicted) technical innovation of the future. The communicator “flip phone” now is the ubiquitous cell phone we all possess. Their voice activated “computer” is now our Siri talking to AI software. Computers and technical controls however always required lots of blinky lights and buttons and levels, but no touch screen and icons. Flat screens however were on the mark. Perhaps the biggest irony was the “prime directive”—almost always disobeyed in every episode yet repeatedly held up as a sacred guideline. Reminds me of or GAE today.

Known Fact #434469 November 29, 2024 5:40 pm 8

Shatner took every role that paid in part because after Star Trek was canceled he found himself broke and unemployed. He scraped up roles as bad guys or con men on Mission Impossible, Mannix and Hawaii 5-0 and seeing him play the villain is a real TV trivia treat.

karl von hungus #434387 November 29, 2024 8:24 am 8

not sure if this is news or not, but the ST:TOS episodes were remastered in 4k with many of the matte effects redone superbly. they really look fantastic, especially if you only ever saw the original eps on pre-HD tv. a little OT, but if you have transporter technology (as ST universe did) then no one would really need to die. just recreate them from a stored transporter image :). of course this would drain a lot of the drama and tension out of the stories.

David Wright #434392 November 29, 2024 9:25 am 5

Just like the move command using file manager in Windows. It’s just copy and delete. there was an episode in the newer version of Outer Limits where there was a glitch in teleportation. Basically copied man and sent him on the way butscrewed up and left the original instead of destroying him. Gave away the dirty little secret. Anywho, all bs for sure, never happen.

karl von hungus #434405 November 29, 2024 10:14 am 3

ever see this episode (original Outer Limits):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Duplicate_Man

David Wright #434406 November 29, 2024 10:34 am 3

one of my favorites from the original series.

karl von hungus #434414 November 29, 2024 11:11 am 2

mine too 🙂

Known Fact #434477 November 29, 2024 7:43 pm 1

Very dark moody episode and a precursor to all the replicant type stories

Marko #434396 November 29, 2024 9:57 am 6

Lucas and Star Wars should’ve done this. Instead, they messed with the human parts and added CGI and dialogue where it wasn’t needed nor welcome.

Sub #434403 November 29, 2024 10:11 am 10

Star Trek’s inability to fully explore the implications of the technology in its universe is a big part of why I have never been able to get into the series.Replicator tech is just as badly handled as the transporters, sub-atomic level control of matter and energy and the best thing they usually think to do with it is making themselves food or trinkets.The whole nature of the society seems off too, as hinted upon in Z’s post. Post-scarcity society would almost certainly be extremely conservative in its approach to the unknown, rather than pointlessly sending out small forces for things that go bump in the night to agitate. Witness our current society, which is post-scarcity in regards to basic needs at least, and how little risk anyone will take. Instead they can have lame catfights on Twitter about whether memes about having a family are gay or not.

pyrrhus #434418 November 29, 2024 11:18 am 6

As several sci-fi novels have explored, the duplication would produce a different person, though most of it would look the same…there’s an error factor in everything

karl von hungus #434459 November 29, 2024 3:05 pm 0

well no, there isn’t. even now, there is error detection and correction for all data “sent over a wire”. you can’t really expect a living organism to be viable with “data corruption”.

Oswald Spengler #434422 November 29, 2024 11:35 am 7

There’s a fan theory that each time someone uses a transporter in the Star Trek universe, the original person is killed and a perfect duplicate is reconstructed. That would basically mean the final Kirk seen in “Unification” is James T. Kirk, Version # 128,748.

Known Fact #434471 November 29, 2024 5:48 pm 2

There was an unexpectedy good episode in the Outer Limits reboot where teleportation creates a backup version of the person just in case the transport fails. Due to a glitch two versions of the same woman are both alive, and the duplicate must be put to death, by the man who loves her. Or the cold-blooded aliens who gave us this technology will take it back

The Wild Geese Howard #434480 November 29, 2024 11:43 pm 4

The 2006 filmThe Prestigehas an interesting take on the idea of duplicates.

LGC #434492 November 30, 2024 3:14 pm 0

Had the same thought. What a fantastic movie with so many twists.

Karl Horst #434431 November 29, 2024 12:11 pm 7

The ‘Unification’ short was really beautiful and Critical Drinker’s review was elegantly done.The entire cast from the original Star Trek series were in a class on their own. As you said, they knew their audience and they also knew these fans put bread on their table. For the most part they kept their personal sexuality and politics out of their work. It wasn’t until the latest fiasco we learned that Sulu was gay. Not like anyone cared, but what did it matter anyway?I never warmed up to Next Generation, although most of the characters were okay after a few seasons. Voyager and Deep Space 9 were also a bit meh. The latest is an absolute tragedy now that the Star Trek franchise has been woke to death. I already know what garbage it is so I’ve never wasted my time watching Picard.It will be interesting to see how they farewell Patrick Stewart. At 84, he’s not far behind Shatner.

Alzaebo #434429 November 29, 2024 12:09 pm 7

Star Trek: Enterprise is very much a return to the tone and spirit of the original series; I consider it the best of the bunch, in fact, even though the Original is still as compellingly enjoyable as ever. It was supposed to lead to the Earth-Romulan War (that’s where the Neutral Zone comes from), so of course the addled ninnies canceled the series just when that was about to kick off.Who remembers Gary Seven, with the black cat and pretty Terri Garr? The episode, “Assignment Earth”, was a tentative pilot to a spin-off series produced at a much lower cost. Also of course, since the addled ninnies had another potential hit on their hands, they put the kibosh to that one too. (The series would’ve had Gary and Terri solving sci-fi mysteries as a 1960s ‘X Files’.)There are several alternate Star Treks, with different actors portraying the Original crew, on youtube. All quite decent. I think it would be a blast to pursue a kickstarter campaign to get an alternate Gary Seven series up and running. Just imagine the easter eggs, tropes, and nods in all directions science fiction that would be possible. Talk about the ultimate nerd fan base!p.s.- here’s just how addled the ninnies are: They canceled Star Trek but kept the excreble Lost In Space on air.

Templar #434452 November 29, 2024 2:19 pm 2

karl von hungus #434457 November 29, 2024 2:53 pm 1

ahhh T’pol. grrrrr

c matt #434532 December 2, 2024 10:00 am 0

What normal boy didn’t have a crush on Judy Robinson?

Filthie #434410 November 29, 2024 11:04 am 6

There was some idiot sitcom I watched back in the Before Times, when a lot of the film people were just normal guys like Eastwood and Shatner. They just happened to work in the film business.I cant remember the name of it but these aliens posing as humans on earth are crapping their pants in fear. The big galactic CEO was coming to earth to check up on them and they cleverly hyped it for an episode or two.When The Galactic Great Big Head finally arrive – it was Shatner playing the role and the studio audience came to its feet for a standing ovation.It’s sad, what they have stolen from the kids. But there are still good guys around to lead them back into good times – especially here at this site.Hope you Yanks had a great Thanksgiving…

Oswald Spengler #434425 November 29, 2024 11:42 am 9

The show you’re thinking of was 3rd Rock from the Sun. The cast was headed by John Lithgow as an alien commander of a research expedition to Earth to study humans in their native habitat.

CorkyAgain #434441 November 29, 2024 1:41 pm 5

I never thought Star Trek: Voyager was HR in Space, but it fits. (In my mind it was Mom in Space. Which supports your thesis too.)

Templar #434436 November 29, 2024 12:46 pm 3

Another thing that came to mind watching this short was that no one under the age of fifty will get any of it. I hate to dump on an otherwise beautifully poetic meditation, but Critical Drinker is under 50. Sam Witwer who helped bring Young Kirk to life again inUnificationis under 50. Hell,I’munder 50. I think you get a little too lost in the generational pessimism sometimes (albeit not without provocation).

Compsci #434466 November 29, 2024 4:51 pm 1

Yep. I for one was just a child during the 50’s and really not very aware of event’s until the 60’s. Yet, I can discuss much of the culture and times of the *40’s through the 50’s*. This is called cultural literacy—of a sort. Maybe I’d the exception, but I doubt it.

pyrrhus #434415 November 29, 2024 11:14 am 3

A very moving tribute to Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner (now 93) and Star trek…wonderful!

Hokkoda #434486 November 30, 2024 11:40 am 2

Apparently, Shatner was digitally de-aged enabling him to appear. There are interesting ethical debates going on as to whether actors should be allowed to grow old and die. Nobody will actually be prevented from doing this. But discuss it we all will.Unification fixes the disaster that was the ST:Generations movie. That is the one where they kill Kirk. And they make zero bones about the fact that Picard is a wuss and Kirk is a man. And they kill off the man. Twice. In fact, earlier in the movie Kirk saves the day for an even wussier captain of the Enterprise – Cameron from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.Unification is the sendoff Kirk deserved. Not buried under a pile of rocks while Picard “mourns” patiently waiting for his Uber.Shatner was notoriously difficult to work with. Other cast members didn’t like him much. He directed ST:V which was awful. The entire movie Galaxy Quest – a classic in and of itself – asks the question “What if Shatner had a redemption arc?”I think Shatner going into space was a bigger deal than people realize. Because it was a reminder of how much of our spirit of adventure we’ve lost…an 80-something actor from a TV show has more dating than your average Picard soy boy.

Ketchup-stained Griller #434463 November 29, 2024 4:28 pm 2

I remember one where a planet evolved as notsees, I can’t remember if they broke the prime directive or not.

c matt #434530 December 2, 2024 9:55 am 1

Can’t be having a well-ordered, prosperous and beautiful planet. That might make the Federation look bad.

Templar #434386 November 29, 2024 8:22 am 2

Well said. Happy Thanksgiving.

BVMcG #434502 December 2, 2024 4:10 am 1

If anyone has a soft spot for the old Tom Baker eraDrWho, the similar but darker seriesBlake’s7is finally becoming available on Blu-Ray and various streaming options. Truly a band of pirates in space

I.M. #434417 November 29, 2024 11:18 am 1

I certainly didn’t expect this take.As a long time Trekker, I found the short just this side of tawdry. It’d be one thing if it had stuck to Shatner having some sort of strange & unexplained afterlife experience, but then they had to put Nimoy’s face in there, Nimoy who is long dead and who had a falling out with Shatner late in life and they were no longer on speaking terms. I understand that Nimoy’s estate supposedly signed off on it, but it still felt almost ghoulish.The whole thing is CG enhanced cartoon imagery intended to tug on nostalgic hearstrings. Aww, Kirk & Spock finally get some kind of good bye, isn’t that sweet.It would have been more honest if it had just been pure animation. As it stands, it feels like a case of, “Just because youcando something, doesn’t mean youshould.”

David Wright #434426 November 29, 2024 11:43 am 3

as far as I could watch it I was unmoved.

Shane #434589 December 2, 2024 12:02 pm 0

Spock was amazing in that he had to be deep and interesting while being cool and logical . Hard to accomplish as an actor without seeming robotic

Popcorn #434391 November 29, 2024 9:25 am -3

Another thing that came to mind watching this short was that no one under the age of fifty will get any of it. Quite true. For me star trek as always been pure trash and the generation raised on the religious tales of the next generation just made me hate the all thing.

Zarchive

Comments (Historical)

106 Comments