Democratic Theocracy

Iran has been in the news lately and one of the interesting things about the coverage is Western media rarely talks about the president of Iran. In fact, almost all Iran stories skip the president entirely. This is highly unusual as Western media is conditioned to personify countries that are out of favor. The bad country becomes the ruler of that country and that ruler is always some form of Hitler. The closest they get with Iran is using a picture of the supreme leader in the copy.

One reason for this is Iran is a complicated place and Western media struggles with anything more complicated than the good guys versus bad guys narrative. Despite what most think, Iranian politics has factions and parties, with the winners being picked by the voters at fairly normal elections. Those factions and parties argue about all the usual things, including foreign policy. The current president ran on a platform of improving relations with the rest of the world.

The funny thing about Iran is that it has avoided what has happened with all prior revolutionary societies. They did not have rounds of purges or a great terror in which a strongman consolidated power. There is no cult of personality in the way most communist societies evolved. They are not dogmatically attached to a narrow set of economic policies. Instead, Iran has evolved into the world’s first explicitly democratic theocracy based in its form of Islam.

At the top of Iranian society is the Supreme Leader. He is appointed by the Assembly of Experts, who are elected to their positions. The Guardian Council approves all candidates for elected office, including those nominated to the Assembly of Experts, so the gatekeepers of politics are the religious authorities. The result is a political system that can debate and argue over public policy, but within the broad religious framing of the Islamic authorities.

This is why the West often talks about Iran as if it is a medieval society. In medieval Europe, the Church set the boundaries for secular government. The King had to be in good standing with the Church, but the Church needed to be in good standing with the king as he provided security. From the perspective of “secular” societies in the West, the Iranians have recreated a throne and altar society, something the West abandoned in favor of reason and democracy.

The interesting thing about the criticism is it comes with some envy. The managerial class of the West, especially in America, would probably prefer the explicit relationship between the moral and the practical. In Iran, if Islam forbids it, it is simply forbidden and that is the end of it. In America, banning the discussion of crime stats is forbidden for an extensive list of contradictory reasons sprinkled with magical thinking about the reality of the human condition.

This may be why Iran avoided the cycle of violence and authoritarianism that we expect to see with revolutionary societies. From the start, the morality of the revolution had been resolved. The main task was to first remove the prior regime and the Western influences that emanated from it. Once the old regime was gone, there was no void where the old morality existed, so there was no battle for who would decide how to fill the void and with what to fill it.

This may explain some of the convulsions of the West. Christianity and the carryover from it provided the moral center of the progressive ideology. That slowly gave way to opposition to communism in the Cold War. Once the great struggle had been won, there was no longer a moral purpose to the progressive ideology. What flowed into it was whatever was kicking around the institutions. Fringe lunacies suddenly had a clear path to the center of the progressive moral universe.

Once again, we see that Marx was right about politics. At the highest level, it is about the battle over moral questions. Once the moral questions are answered, there is no need for this sort of politics. Instead, politics is reduced to debates about how to address the mundane practical issues of governance. For thirty years Iran has only had to worry about defending itself from the West, while for the last thirty years the West has been searching for a new god to replace the old one.

What you see in Iran is something the West cannot reconcile and that is the limit of reason, which is the moral. The ideology of the West rests on the assumption that all moral questions have a reasonable answer, so all moral limits that cannot hold up to reason must be invalid. Iran does not struggle with this dilemma, because the moral limits are beyond question and they are right there in the Koran, as interpreted by the religious authorities.

Put another way, what Iran has in excess is the answer to the two most important questions for any society and they are “who says?” and “why not?” The answer to both questions is well known to everyone in Iranian society and therefore the questions never need to be asked. In the West, there are no answers to those questions, so the closest we get to an answer is the jungle of rules against discussing anything that challenges the sensibilities of the managerial class.

What we see with the contrast between Iran and the West, particularly America, is a contrast in two forms of democratic theocracy. Iran starts with the issue of morality as a settled matter and implements democracy as a means to sort practical ends. In the West, democracy is a moral end in itself, but the result is endless debates over what will be temporarily viewed as timeless truths. Iran is the mirror of American in terms of the relationship between the moral and the political.

There are other reasons why Iran is what it is, not the least of which is that it is full of Iranians who can date their society back to the ancients. Islam also has a vastly different view of the natural world than what evolved out of Christianity. Even so, the fact that Iran has survived as a democratic theocracy provides a clue for how American progressivism could survive as well. Otherwise, it shakes itself to pieces searching for something to fill the void that lies at the center of it.


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Citizen of a Silly Country #428425 October 15, 2024 8:52 am 83
“. . . provides a clue for how American progressivism could survive as well.”I disagree. White progressives must be “in front” of the plebs morally, i.e. they must disagree with them, to maintain their feeling of moral superiority. As soon as the majority of people move to agree with the progressives, the progressive moves farther out.You saw that with gays. First, the progressives tolerated gays, but as the majority accepted that position, progressives moved to embracing gay to celebrating gays and then did the same with transgenderism. Progressives have to hold a morality different from the majority to maintain the self-anointed status, so there can be no settled morality.
MikeCLT #428427 October 15, 2024 8:57 am 23
Much truth here.
Captain Willard #428437 October 15, 2024 9:17 am 49
Yeah, it’s the nearest thing to “permanent revolution” that we can see. It also trips up ostensibly reasonable people (like me maybe when I was a young Normie). I supported drug legalization and gay marriage because I don’t like telling other people what to do. What a fooking idiot I was….
ray #428518 October 15, 2024 1:59 pm 9
With rare exception, we were all fooking idjits in our youth.
rasqball #428526 October 15, 2024 3:43 pm 4
I voted for Mondale AND for Dukakis (18 and 22 yrs. old). But something(s) triggered a change (maturity?) and I got a whiff of the d-baggery of “both sides of the aisle” (sigh…) and set me on a course down this-here yellow brick road.I don’t think that those “triggers” happen much anymore.
ray #428554 October 15, 2024 8:01 pm 3
Never was a political person myself. But in youth, my sympathies generally were leftist. Of course, the Democratic Party was (ostensibly) the party of the workingman and of labor when I was young, in the Fifties and Sixties. Now, they’re the party of the damned. Modernly, no party even vaguely represents my interests, and I consider them all the enemy. With good reason.
Jack Dodsen #428438 October 15, 2024 9:18 am 48
Exactly. Progressivism’s evolving morality is in fact a form of permanent revolution. It is in fact moving toward an American-style of totalitarianism although it alternatively could veer toward water buffalo worship or something else. The “who says?” question and the definition of morality never can be settled or progressivism ceases to be a thing. This is both the Achilles Heel and raison d’etre of the Global American Empire and thus the reason it is falling apart. Frankly, it is a bloody miracle it has lasted this long.
Citizen of a Silly Country #428447 October 15, 2024 9:29 am 34
I think that the RoW has realized that GAE can never quit, can never live at peace with other countries. GAE is terrifying (and annoying) combination of WASP moral progressives and Jewish supremacists. The WASPs are incapable of accepting that other groups might have a different morality while Jews are incapable of accepting that other groups might not want to have Jews running amok in their society. GAE is the terminator. It doesn’t know how to quit. Other countries understand this now and are working to build walls to keep us out.
Jack Dodsen #428451 October 15, 2024 9:41 am 31
The Pride flags flying at embassies encapsulate this phenomenon perfectly. I float the idea from time to time that the WASP’s continue to have the upper hand and most disagree. Given that discretion to fly Pride flags is given to ambassadors only in Muslim countries, they may be right. The GAE indeed is terrifying. It has deeply religious convictions that change almost daily and the penalty for apostasy often is death.
Alzaebo #428532 October 15, 2024 5:50 pm 2
That WASP influence would be analogous to the Old Money families in Europe, such as the Black Nobility with ties back to Venice, William the Conqueror, or even Rome.
The Wild Geese Howard #428460 October 15, 2024 9:58 am 10
GAE as the Terminator the rest of the world is trying to manage is an important point. One recent action that supports this idea are Iran’s recent comments they are finished responding to Our Greatest Ally in a restrained fashion.
Xman #428492 October 15, 2024 11:33 am 15
Yes. GAE/ZOG has replaced the Soviet Union as a militaristic, expansionist, totalitarian empire. Democratic “equity” for obese trannies and negroes and women is simply a form of communism. Unlike the boot-on-your-throat, industrial Soviet communism, though, it’s basically a Huxleyan/sexual/consumerist communism. Anal sex, abortion and weed seem to be its core principles. The will put a boot on your throat if they have to, but they’d rather keep you quiescent by happily cruising gay bars in Greenwich Village and taking soma (weed).
TempoNick #428505 October 15, 2024 12:20 pm -3
Related:https://www.businessinsider.com/hindu-my-wife-christian-marriage-religion-2024-10
Citizen of a Silly Country #428516 October 15, 2024 1:54 pm 3
Don’t forget debt and dollar dependency. The Puritans demand your soul. The Jews demand financial servitude.
Marko #428442 October 15, 2024 9:21 am 7
It’s like African-American style. Once the whites embrace it, AA’s start wearing other ridiculous crap. That’s why you still see AA’s wearing the droopy pants and the loud Sunday outfits. Whites aren’teverdoing that.
KGB #428452 October 15, 2024 9:42 am 23
Except you quickly reach a dead end. I saw snippets of the latest video by some African rapper yesterday and it was indistinguishable from a 90’s “gangsta” rap video. The same clothes, the same misogyny, the same hand gestures, the same glorification of cheaply acquired wealth. Black popular culture has hardly budged since hip-hop and basketball Americans assumed god-like status during the Clinton years.
Marko #428471 October 15, 2024 10:30 am 3
That’s probably the point of establishing a morality. Except for a few wiggers and hispanegroes, American blacks have found a “look” and it’s nearly impossible for outsiders to adopt it without looking ridiculous.European Christianity established a morality that very few elsewhere in the world could adopt, and it served as a barrier for entry. Now Europeans (driven by Jews and Anglos) are seeing how far they can push “alternate lifestyles” and replaceable-part consumerism before non-Anglos give up trying to assimilate. Once we reach that stage – probably polyamorous pedophilia or something – then “white people” have found a “look” that few can, or would, emulate.
Marko #428474 October 15, 2024 10:33 am 5
I put “white people” in quotes because being and acting “white” is now an affectation rather than a racial reality. Meaning fake emotiveness and smug superiority. Kamala Harris is whiter than me, for example.
okram #428527 October 15, 2024 4:04 pm 7
France doesn’t have an age of consent. Major French politicians in the 90s talked about doing it with kids. France legalized homosexuality in the revolution. And it’s not just the French:the Dutch age of consent is 13!In Italy trans “models” were a big thing in the 80s and 90s. I don’t think you know much about European culture. The Wasps are much less degenerate than the average continental.
Tarl Cabot #428475 October 15, 2024 10:34 am 10
This occurred to me as I have been recently rewatching “The Wire”. Except for the tech, nothing has changed. Baltimore is still Baltimore, arguably worse. One of the gateways to this side of the great divide is the realization that it can’t be fixed. The implications of that are not for the faint of heart.
Hemid #428478 October 15, 2024 10:44 am 11
Blacks—everyone but East Asians, really—have been trained to hate old music. Dumb ones simply obey their screens, the algorithmic BUY NOW that says if you’re not shopping you’re lame (white), while smart ones chant “canonicity is whiteness.”It’s recent. Just a generation ago,old record black guywho showed the kids Bobby Womack was a stock character—in media and in life. He’s extinct. Theydon’t learn anymore. Hiphop made by hiphop fans is stereotypically inbred/regressed, ugly and retarded. The inventors of it were interested in other things. The genre-defining rap beat was jacked from Kraftwerk.
Carrie #428502 October 15, 2024 12:08 pm 10
I remember growing up (Catholic elem. & h.s.) and having a few black friends in grade school (mostly 4th – 8th gr.). Because of where I grew up, they were the children of military families (enlisted), and thus had at leastsomelevel of discipline at home.But what I also remember is, during that era (ca. 1986 – 1990), learning about / hearing “go-go” black music. I liked the rhythm, but it never really “gelled” for me. I had a musical-enough brain (thank you piano lessons & clarinet lessons) to know that it all sounded the same, even though I could detect differences in the various songs.What’s interesting to me is that now, very occasionally, if I’m driving somewhere, I hear a knee-grow’s car music (windows down, added bass speakers in back seat, of course) that is go-go music, I smile and shake my head.Because it isexactly the sameas it was back in the mid-80s. Exactly. No evolution. Probably just new bands that learned it from listening to the old bands.Anyway, that’s my little snippet of insight into black KULL-cha.It is strongly correlated with Africa: just keeps on staying the same, generation after generation. Imagine that.
Ostei Kozelskii #428506 October 15, 2024 12:44 pm 14
From the 90s on, negro ‘music’ is just banging sticks on rocks plus grunting plus amplification. And plenty of white people eat it up. **smh**
KGB #428507 October 15, 2024 12:49 pm 1
East Asia is not immune. If you listen to popular music from any of the three major languages, the songs are quite often filled with pounding beats and with rap breaks that would have been cringy in a late 80’s after school special.
Moran ya Simba #428444 October 15, 2024 9:21 am 4
The Iranian regime is definitely not a model for the progressives. The interesting question is whether that regime can tell us something. So far I’m not sure
Outdoorspro #428457 October 15, 2024 9:55 am 9
Not so sure about that. The progressives would happily adopt a model that lets them be the first and final arbiter of what is moral. You see it now in the way their media arm tries so hard to select who can and cannot run for political office. I’m also very, very sure that they’d be quite happy to throw apostates off of tall buildings.
Jeffrey Zoar #428463 October 15, 2024 10:11 am 6
I’m sure they’d be happy to order someone else to throw the apostates off buildings. I’m not so sure they’d be willing to do it themselves.
Hemid #428480 October 15, 2024 10:47 am 9
Only 99.96% of cops and soldiers would lustily slaughter your family if some government tranny told them to.
Moran ya Simba #428512 October 15, 2024 1:31 pm 2
The salient difference is that Iran stopped it’s revolution. They’re no longer trying to one up each other and escalate all the time. So it’s an ideologically stable thing. That’s unlike the left and unlike the Muslim brotherhood to Al Qaeda to Isis escalations
Tired Citizen #428448 October 15, 2024 9:34 am 8
Exactly right. It is a perpetual march further left. This also allows for victimhood to be maintained by the chosen groups.
Alzaebo #428533 October 15, 2024 6:00 pm 4
The grievance identity groups cry out as they strike you.Where on earth could they have learned such a thing?
1660please #428450 October 15, 2024 9:40 am 8
I think that you’re right. I also think that with fallen human nature, there will always be some supposed “victim” for progressives to champion. So there seem to be multiple driving forces for those “self-anointed” ones.In addition to their disdain for us, they believe themselves as being on the side of the oppressed, while, in many cases, they are actually advocating for the evil, the immoral, the flawed, the degenerate, the evolutionary mutant, etc.If one doesn’t accept the Christian idea of fallen humanity, one can still accept, by looking at history, that humans have certain biological tendencies that will always result in conflict and/or moral shortcomings, which we here would believe must be discouraged or limited or punished. So there will always be grist for the progressives’ mill. And they will always be around as a danger for the rest of us.I’m sure we can all agree with C. S. Lewis:“She’s the sort of woman who lives for others. You can tell the others by their hunted expression.”
Ivan #428461 October 15, 2024 10:02 am 8
It really has thrown the harpies for a loop, esp men in dresses in the ladie’s locker room. The bra burners by and large DO NOT stand behind women in sports.
ray #428520 October 15, 2024 2:06 pm 4
Trans — like homosexual celebrationism and ‘diversity’ — is a direct product of feminism. Now the daddies of feminist girls are outraged … OUTRAGED, I tell you . . . because the trans-men are horning-in on their grift. The hypocrisy is staggering. If I had a rocket launcher etc.
Paintersforms #428488 October 15, 2024 11:16 am 2
Right. If they aren’t progressing, they aren’t progressive. The line points one way and it’s a moral imperative. Doesn’t have to be reasonable, or even coherent.
vladdy #428560 October 15, 2024 8:29 pm 2
Anyone else notice the constant use of “forward”? “Moving forward,” “going forward”…it’s as prevalent as the gratuitous (and incorrect) constant use of “literally.” But in the case of “forward,” it’s to subliminally suggest that trad is bad…and that we must always be pushing “forward” (which means “change” is the foremost quality and everything not changing is “backward.”)
Ostei Kozelskii #428489 October 15, 2024 11:18 am 7
Quite. Once the Left accepts the status quo, morally or otherwise, they go out of business. Their job is to push society leftward infinitely.
Zaphod #428542 October 15, 2024 7:34 pm 1
I think the point is you have an Ayatollah or a Stalin or a Xi Jinping at the top of the pyramid ready to apply rubber truncheon to the soles of the feet of any ‘progressive’ showing excessive zeal for the virtue-signalling spiral. Same hard stop needs to be applied to excessive populism, too: it’s only useful for helping to *gain* power. Net negative (to put it mildly) once you *have* power.
Ostei Kozelskii #428557 October 15, 2024 8:24 pm 1
I’d accept a Nicholas !, Henry VIII, Pinochet, Sulla, or hell, maybe even an Andrew Jackson with his hands untied.
Mr. Burns #428423 October 15, 2024 8:48 am 34
America does have a religious authority. The Jewish comics on TV. Whatever they make fun of on any given day is bad. Whatever they praise is good. What’s so hard about that? Why do some people have such a hard time accepting their authority? Can’t you hear the laugh track of all the normal people backing them up?
Citizen of a Silly Country #428431 October 15, 2024 9:02 am 26
That’s been our faith for 30 years, but even American whites are starting to notice that something isn’t right. What’s more, blacks never accepted it. Hispanics never even noticed it. Finally, Indians see the game being played by Jews and want to play it themselves, which causes a serious problem for Jews.
MikeCLT #428433 October 15, 2024 9:15 am 24
It causes a serious problem for the rest of the US too. See Z’s post on Hindu Lebensraum. India has a huge, young, and growing population that is looking to move. Canada and the US are desired destinations. Indians are nice and polite people right now, but they are as tribal as anyone in the world and will play that game hard when their numbers are sufficient. You can already see it in the IT sector. Whites and East Asians get excluded. Look at all the AA benefits Indians get from the SBA that are not available to citizens. That will keep the pressure on to maintain and increase them.Given how much the Hindus and the Jews dislike the Muslims, an alliance of convenience is not out of the question. With the US doing or at least paying for the fighting.
Citizen of a Silly Country #428443 October 15, 2024 9:21 am 35
Agree. But if whites are going to act like slaves, they’re going to have a master of some type or another. Whites could easily throw off their Jewish masters or any other group if we simply started to view ourselves as a people, but we don’t. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me a thousand times, shame on me. Whites should be ashamed.
Paintersforms #428501 October 15, 2024 12:00 pm 0
White is more diverse than Jewish, or even Indian. Iirc, Z has mentioned Aleksandr Dugin talking about a civilizational perspective. That’s probably more workable than a racial one, but even then, you have to deal with the Athens and Jerusalem bit. You almost have to start from the beginning to get a sense of who you are.
Alzaebo #428536 October 15, 2024 6:20 pm 3
That slave training is exactly why I’m becoming allergic to the whole “we are fallen sinners” crap, because that line originated as slave training for a “conquered” people. The Original Sin was to be Aryan white, it’s early Bronze Age propaganda.I say “conquered” because we, in large part, weren’t.That supremacist tripe is just what they told themselves when making their stories.“Oh, but the sin of pride” and all that claptrap. I get it, bow your head in gratitude and loyalty, but if we were as stiff-necked with racial certainty as any Indian, or Negro, or Jew, we would not have given away all we created for free so it can be turned against us.At ruinous cost. At ruinous cost, and only to those who show gratitude. Those who do not have gratitude in them will only kiss the hand that holds the whip, they will respect nothing less.
Johnny Ducati #428469 October 15, 2024 10:26 am 20
We are presented with the polite, well-behaved hadji in movies and TV. I’ve had quite some dealings with them, and now see them as shifty little brown jews, always begging for discounts and whining like they are injured when they have to pay full price.
Bitter reactionary #428477 October 15, 2024 10:41 am 24
Indians are nice and polite until they fire you from your job to replace you with co-ethnics. They are a menace, just of a different type from the other more violent ones. None should ever have been allowed to come here. They need to go back.
vladdy #428566 October 15, 2024 8:36 pm -2
Living in a rural area, we’ve noticed that Indian doctors have that supremacist attitude, at least toward rural dwellers. The way they condescend is shocking. Actually had one say to me “Let’s get this straight. I will tell you what to do, and you will DO it.”Seriously. After 3 such exchanges in a row w/3 different doctors from India, we try to pick heritage-Americans (if we HAVE to go, anyway–since covid lies, we don’t have trust left for the “medical community.”)Never had a problem w/Jewish doctors. Sad to see how “normalized” anti-semitism is now….esp since what most people mean is “globalist,” and that includes those w/non-Jewish names like bush, obama, romney, mcconnell, johnson, newsome, etc.
Zaphod #428544 October 15, 2024 7:41 pm 4
It was a huge wakeup for me to travel to India on business and notice the difference in demeanour when they’re in the majority and have all the guns and rules and regulations at their beck and call. You do *not* want the Pajeet sandal on your neck.
3g4me #428574 October 15, 2024 10:22 pm 4
At your feet or at your throat.
Jack Dodsen #428445 October 15, 2024 9:22 am 3
The raison d’etre of America is the permanent revolution, hence the Jewish comedians are yielding to Progressive scolds who in turn are falling apart (disagree with Z on the permanence) and likely to be replaced by other religious fundamentalists. I do appreciate the wisdom of the analogy, though.
Marko #428449 October 15, 2024 9:36 am 9
I think this was the case until 7 years ago or so. Before Trump won, TV shows and movies were still “good” and stand-up was more popular than ever. Jews were driving most of the popular podcasts, even the “right-wing” ones.Now there is an ever-larger segment that is decoupling from mainstream entertainment. People who watch mainstream entertainment either have kids and can’t escape them, or are terminally normie and the proverbial sack of potatoes.I think for the Progressive and the Regime-minded, what’s on TV and on mainstream news is scripture, or at least is something to critique, as if it were handed down from above and they were Rabbis arguing over what the message means.For the rest of us, we have a jumble of old religions and new modes of thought made possible by the internet.
Brandon Laskow #428599 October 16, 2024 8:37 am 0
You mean Colbert, Fallon, and Kimmel? Those Jewish comics?
pyrrhus #428434 October 15, 2024 9:15 am 29
Iran as a country is 3500 years old, by far the oldest in the World…Like the Chinese, they know who they are…And Iranians have always been the philosophers and intellectuals of the Middle East, but thanks to our media, Americans tend to think they are primitive, despite their advanced industries and scientific knowhow…,,.
Moran ya Simba #428446 October 15, 2024 9:25 am 25
They might actually be the oldest continuously existing state in the world. It comes down to definitions of a state and whether a state can continue existing when it is occupied. But I think Egypt would be another candidate. But Egypt was definitely population replaced. The people who built pyramids were not Arabs
Compsci #428466 October 15, 2024 10:17 am 5
If you lump Iran in with Arabs, you are dumber than a box of rocks. I’ve mentioned this before, but all one needs to do is look at current Russia-Iran exchange due to Ukrainian war. Iran has built a forward thinking response to US technology edge via the revolutionary use of inexpensive drones. They also have the “bomb”. They’ve refined uranium to just under fissionable material percent, but have huge amounts. Processes to take it to useful percentage is now of short duration in the centrifuges. I suspect all other aspects of ignition are already constructed. Not sure why they have not simply built and tested as North Koreans did.
Alzaebo #428541 October 15, 2024 7:03 pm 0
(Umm, nobody said they were Arabs.)
Compsci #428573 October 15, 2024 9:36 pm 0
Only confirming such, not accusing anyone—here. However, it seems a common misconception with the normies.
Steve #428484 October 15, 2024 11:02 am 12
Believe it or not, they also have some of the greatest ski slopes in the world. The arid conditions in the mountains give the snow the consistency of confectionary sugar.
Ostei Kozelskii #428494 October 15, 2024 11:35 am 4
Jamaal-Khalid Killy wholeheartedly agrees.
Wolf Barney #428513 October 15, 2024 1:39 pm 4
There’s a popular (2.4 million subscribers) youtube channel called Itchy Boots, where a woman named Noraly travels the world on a motorcycle. A few years ago she travelled across Iran. You get a sense of what Iran is like, and it’s much different than what we’re led to believe. Of course she has to cover her head, but the Iranians treat her very well and the country is scenic. First two episodes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrKGuS6kmJs&list=PL8M9dV_BySaUE-uJADRFRrL6BiVpKC3-e&index=55andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEHmeEVd6X0&list=PL8M9dV_BySaUE-uJADRFRrL6BiVpKC3-e&index=56
Alzaebo #428543 October 15, 2024 7:40 pm 0
I’d like to know, do they allow genital mutilation on their women or boys? I don’t think so, and it would make a huge difference.Ugly, I know, but today’s is about Iranian morality.You see, if you want to cure most of Semitic pathology, you start at the root.If the Semitic practice is not conducted in Iran, I’ll bet that’s why they can function as a democracy, rather than a tyranny or a hapless mess.Khomeini was British-Indian, but your typical baby-buggering pervert, as he said in his Green Book. Khamanei, the religious authority, is fairly hands off as long as he gets his busloads of little boys.(Khomeini did seal his conquest with strangling 100,000 girls in warehouses 1979-81, the Rape of Iran, and they hanged homosexuals with cranes. Nonetheless, AIDS and heroin are or were rampant, at least during the Bush years.)Banning GM would not only eliminate the brain damage that perpetuates phantasmic hysteria, it would change the breeding pattern that inculcates Dark Triad traits. These both express, reflect, and reinforce the MA0A genetics as a culture prone to trauma conditioning; the breeding pattern results in a focused seed core of traits with its unfortunate fat tail, whereas more assimilable outliers (like myself) are boiled off into the larger surrounding populations.Of course, consanguinity (close kin marriage) also reinforces, that’s why both Semitic and Indian populations remain static. Gone, however, would be the tendency towards perversity and pathological violence.
Zaphod #428546 October 15, 2024 7:49 pm 0
That’ much mileage, you’d have to guess it’s not just itchy boots.
Arshad Ali #428419 October 15, 2024 8:39 am 27
“the Iranians have recreated a throne and altar society, something the West abandoned in favor of reason and democracy.” Abandoned for Jewish finance capitalism with a threadbare democratic facade that doesn’t fool any astute observer. “Otherwise, it shakes itself to pieces searching for something to fill the void that lies at the center of it.” That’s the thing, isn’t it? That void and the nihilism and despair it engenders.
Citizen of a Silly Country #428428 October 15, 2024 8:59 am 26
Most of what we’re witnessing now is the larger countries of the world attempting to move away from Jewish financial control (enforced by white guys in the military). The Global American Empire is a financial/trade empire, which suits Jews perfectly, though it originated with the British, then the WASPs took it over and now the Jews have it.The heavy use of trade and financial sanctions against Russia is no accident. But it failed, which is more important than the military defeat in Ukraine. It will take a long time, but the BRICs are slowing – so slowly – working on creating alternative payment mechanisms and other financial channels to circumvent the current global financial system.The BRICs don’t need to – nor do they want to – replace the dollar. They just need enough alternative mechanisms to get trade done in a pinch. GAE will recede to a regional power over the coming decades – and then will need to look inward, where it won’t like what it sees.
Arshad Ali #428467 October 15, 2024 10:18 am 6
I think the Jews were always in the background and left the glory to the goys.That seems to be their modus operandi.
Anna #428476 October 15, 2024 10:38 am 4
Arshad, it is exactly like things are done in South Africa: the whites make all the right decisions, are left invisible and blacks take full credit.
Ostei Kozelskii #428491 October 15, 2024 11:30 am 1
Uh huh. The dazzling and immaculate magnificence of AINO is the manifestation of all those correct decisions made by Jews.
Alzaebo #428540 October 15, 2024 6:57 pm 1
I don’t think Arshad means entirely that kind of credit.At least we build amazingly efficient concentration camps! (Now be nice to Anna, she’s a dear and meant well.)
Ostei Kozelskii #428559 October 15, 2024 8:28 pm 1
My interpretation is she was saying Jews in AINO, like whites in SA, are responsible for everything good, but that AINO’s whites, like SA’s negroes, take all the credit.
Alzaebo #428539 October 15, 2024 6:54 pm 0
oops
okram #428528 October 15, 2024 4:10 pm 1
The British did not originate the trade empire model. You could read up on the Dutch or Venice, or even Carthage. Thinking about it you might want to throw in Athens.
Alzaebo #428537 October 15, 2024 6:32 pm 0
Small quibble-not-quibble, “…though it originated with the British,…” I wanted to disagree, being shamelessly biased, but cannot.Of course, I wanted to blame Judeo-Christianity, because Jewish values.But honestly, that’s just a bit much of a stretch all the time, really. Then I realized the foundation for Jack Dobson’s “Puritan” ethos, which is still a bit fuzzy: Anglo-Saxons and Normans. Like the Bronze Age Semitic supremacists, the Angles and Danes are a conquering people, much closer to our hearts. Britain probably gets much of its difficult history from this aspect.
Jack Boniface #428421 October 15, 2024 8:40 am 26
Poland tried to be a Catholic version of that after communism ended in 1989. It still is to some extent. But the Tusk regime wants to make it go full Western decadent.
Zaphod #428545 October 15, 2024 7:44 pm 2
“Forget it Jake. It’s Polacktown.” Poles making the right move, ever, would just break the Simulation. The Great Programmer only invented and retconned them so they could do their thing at the Siege of Vienna.
Ostei Kozelskii #428558 October 15, 2024 8:26 pm 1
Ah well. At least they make some mighty fine vodka.
Zaphod #428569 October 15, 2024 8:42 pm 1
Also these: https://thepolishstore.com/solidarnosc-sliwka-naleczowska-chocolate-plums-350g/
G Lordon Giddy #428420 October 15, 2024 8:39 am 22
The Persians actually believe in the edicts of their God.I am not sure how we get this back in the United States?Christianity in the United States has been declining for some time and even when it was not declining the influence of Jefferson and the enlightenment boys created a belief that there was actually a wall between church and state.Its probably the only wall that we will ever successfully build.
Tars Tarkas #428459 October 15, 2024 9:55 am 4
Much of the wall was constructed in the post war (ww2) period. Not all of it, but at least some of it. Plus, even when it was written, it applied to the federal government, not the states. Massachusetts, for example, had a state church with taxing authority of the residents of the state.
3g4me #428483 October 15, 2024 10:54 am 9
All the original 13 colonies had further racial and religious restrictions on voting and office holding. Initially many of these were torestrict office holders to Protestant Christians – Catholics could not hold office in New Jersey until 1844. The Jews pushed to change the Pennsylvania religious requirement for office holders in 1790. The ‘wall’ was inrubble a century before WWII.
Tars Tarkas #428493 October 15, 2024 11:34 am 3
You’re forgetting things like the removal of religion in schools, of blasphemy laws and of decency laws.
Moran ya Simba #428436 October 15, 2024 9:17 am 19
I’m no fan of the Iranian system but I doubt they have as much child molestation as here and they are not confused about the difference between men and women. I think they too have a collapsing birth rate so they are doing something wrong as regards human nature. But incredible as it sounds they are a saner society than the West
Moran ya Simba #428439 October 15, 2024 9:18 am 29
They are also not replacing their heritage stock. Theocratic or not, Iran will still be Persian in the future. We can’t say the equivalent
The Wild Geese Howard #428458 October 15, 2024 9:55 am 13
Iran’s people know where they are going because they know where they have been. That is to say, they understand and value their history. Thus, they are able to use it as a guide for acting in the present and to plan for the future. In comparison, look at how the GAE treats the historical legacy that enabled it to ascend to the height of global power.
Moran ya Simba #428465 October 15, 2024 10:15 am 5
Iran’s follies and faults are quite familiar to history and far smaller than GAE’s
Horace #428454 October 15, 2024 9:45 am 20
Everyone has collapsing birth rates embedded into the fabric of their civilization. Some have manifest. Some have not. yet.All women want sex. Not all women want babies. The dominant pattern in human history up to about 50 years ago was that women had no choice in the matter: sex -> babies. This is the pattern that EVOLVED. No other selection pressure was necessary for perpetuation.The advent of inexpensive and effective birth control has decoupled sexual gratification and babies. This broke the dynamic equilibrium. The only societies that are reproducing are those that control their women both with intense cultural programming and limited access to birth control.This is a self-correcting process. Only the natal are reproducing. Over several generations (I think this is a strong selection pressure) the anti-natal will be removed from the gene pool as long as several conditions are met. One, organized anti-natal cultural programming needs to be destroyed. I know people get tired of it, but reality is what it is: this means everyone’s favorite transnational tribe need to be sent back to their own country. Second, as Moran ya Simba points out, one has to stop the replacement.So, retain female autonomy but remove the existential threats of anti-white culture and population replacement, and populations will continue to drop. But they will eventually stabilize at a lower level. This is basically what the Japanese are doing. Theypermitneither genocidal anti-Japanese culture nor open immigration of enemy aliens.
Moran ya Simba #428464 October 15, 2024 10:12 am 10
Nature did not see fit to give women the choice as you point out.
Hemid #428487 October 15, 2024 11:13 am 15
That last bit is no longer true.There’s a famous photo from Japan of an isolated countryside vending machine under a dedicated street light, its uninterrupted peaceful vigil to dispense drinks to a people who don’t steal (except umbrellas). It looks like the past we just barely remember, California from old movies. It’s often paired with the most American picture, a school Pepsi machine so tightly and complexly welded into its custom security cage that you can’t even put money in it.The Eye Of Globohomo saw that picture of Japan, and saw America’s longing for it, and sent Rahm Emanuel et fils torepairit. Japan’s population “gap” is now flooded with Nigerians and Indians (high IQ!), and we have the photos of crowbar-mutilated vending machines to prove it.Civilization is not allowed—anywhere ever again.
Zaphod #428548 October 15, 2024 7:52 pm 0
When I lived in Tokyo I found it easiest to just believe that Aliens had invaded and were everywhere silently watching and studying the natives. But at least you could slap some yen in them and get hot BOSS coffee back out on a cold winter’s morn.
Dutchboy #428578 October 15, 2024 10:57 pm 0
Iran has a Islamic theocracy but still has a democidal birth rate. The mullahs allowed contraception, which is a suicidal policy.
Anna #428468 October 15, 2024 10:25 am 1
Moran, you should see a video of their “Supreme” Ayatollah kissing 5 year old girl and asking her how she liked it. Needless to remind that a marriage if old men to 6-7 years old girls are allowed under Islam.
3g4me #428490 October 15, 2024 11:27 am 8
True. Also true that marriage of uncle and niece is allowed under Judaism – even inRhode Island.
Ostei Kozelskii #428495 October 15, 2024 11:39 am 5
“Needless to remind that a marriage if old men to 6-7 years old girls are allowed under Islam.” A coming attraction of postmodern secularism in the West.
Alzaebo #428550 October 15, 2024 7:55 pm 3
Ahem. We’re more progressive than those savages, it must be 6-7 year-oldboys.Appropriately dressed, of course.
Ostei Kozelskii #428561 October 15, 2024 8:30 pm 0
Correction duly noted and accepted.
Good ol Rebel #428499 October 15, 2024 11:51 am 6
Remember the Boston Massacre, the Maine, the Lusitania, the Tonkin Gulf, babies out of incubators, yellow cake, a day in infamy, Suddenly for No Reason, the ayatollahs violating the whamen.Its all so tiresome.
Moran ya Simba #428514 October 15, 2024 1:40 pm 1
I’m certainly not condoning the marriage if kids. Saying that the ideology of the West is worse is not to endorse Iran’s system. It’s recognition of how bad things have become here
Citizen of a Silly Country #428519 October 15, 2024 2:01 pm 2
I’ve never seen that video, but there are videos of the IDF killing 6 and 7 year-old girls. Funny that you didn’t mention that.
Anna #428524 October 15, 2024 3:25 pm -9
Citizen, is that the video where Palestinian father cries over his child “killed” by israelis, and the child scratches his leg in the middle of said Pallywood performance?Sure some Palestinian children are killed in spite of Israel ALWAYS warning civilians to get out before they start bombing civilian areas.Israel wants to win the war while neither Western country has done it in the last 80 years. Win, not “nation build”. Israel is the only country presently fighting for civilization against certain barbarity.I never heard anyone blaming the Allies for the multitudes of German children killed in 1944-45.
rasqball #428530 October 15, 2024 4:43 pm 3
I blame The Allies – specifically, the actions of the Air Forces of Great Britain and The United States (and their masters) – for a great many (if not a plurality) of the German children killed in The Second European War,
Alzaebo #428553 October 15, 2024 8:01 pm 0
To our great and eternal shame.That’s why the strength of their grip- they trick you into being complicit, and now you must ally, or kill yourself with grief.
Alzaebo #428551 October 15, 2024 7:58 pm 3
Eh, they name streets after Palestinians for bravely bashing toddler girl’s heads on rocks, so I ain’t picking sides. It’s the Palestinian Christians that are caught in the middle here.
Alzaebo #428547 October 15, 2024 7:52 pm 1
Khomeini was far worse, he advocated as young as 1 year old in the Green Book.He was a sick, sick piece of work.
Zaphod #428549 October 15, 2024 7:53 pm 2
Come now… Do you really want us to go there with the Mohels? That would really suck.
Ostei Kozelskii #428563 October 15, 2024 8:32 pm 0
Now, now, my dear Zaphod. Let’s not make a mountain out of a Mohel…
Zaphod #428571 October 15, 2024 8:49 pm 1
I think it was Mohammed tried to drop a mountain on the Mohel. But he scraped through by the skin of his teeth.
Dutchboy #428577 October 15, 2024 10:55 pm 0
The mullahs allowed contraception and the Iranians are now committing self-democide.
Tykebomb #428426 October 15, 2024 8:52 am 16
Not exactly bloodless, the Iranian revolution was a weird mix of socialism and shia Islam. That’s actually the debate at the imam council level. The original Ayatollah actually leaned more socialist than shiite, but still killed a lot of mainline communists in camps. It’s why Reagan tried to smuggle them guns. Shia Islam is also the more reason driven branch of Islam. Famously, the Ayatollah’s favorite book was The Republic. It’s as if The Guardians let the people have a little democracy. Fascinating place. Well worth picking up some books about it.
Spingerah #428453 October 15, 2024 9:43 am 5
Not only communists, all religious minorities were either executed or fled the country.Sikhs, Bahai and Sunnis, Zoroastrians there were a few Jews & ChristiansMohomadeans will be killing each other and all “infidels”of whatever stripe forever.I suspect many of our “greatest allies” being a mirror image in many ways will eleminate their inferiors as well as soon as they are able. they are in process of ethnic cleansing now.
Jack Dodsen #428462 October 15, 2024 10:03 am 2
It really depended on the religious minority. Like all revolutions, murder and expulsion of regime opponents real or perceived was the first order of business. All Bahai and Zoroastrians either fled, were murdered, or expelled immediately. They were not perceived as People of the Book. Jews and Armenian Christians not perceived as enemies of the state were allowed to stay in some cases under tightly controlled conditions. Sunnis were in some cases allowed to remain under limited rights. It is somewhat analogous to how Israel treats Gentiles.One report that stuck with me after the revolution was that before they were executed, religious minorities who were considered apostates and were female virgins above the age of eight were raped before they were killed. The idea was that rape would prevent them from going to heaven. That story I now realize was likely Jewish propaganda, but, wow, if true.
Alzaebo #428555 October 15, 2024 8:04 pm 0
Since the southern provinces are much more heavily Arab, I can see both a large pool of loyalists to draw from as well as a large pool of rapists.
TomA #428440 October 15, 2024 9:19 am 13
Both Iran and Russia are succeeding as nations and not succumbing to subjugation by the West. That is why they are hated by the Globalists and must be destroyed. And the Globalists are pleased to sacrifice their peons in service to this goal. This dynamic will persist and escalate until this small cadre of parasites feels the heat of their debauchery. That is the solution to the problem. We don’t need to keep refining the diagnosis. We need to implement the cure.
Maxda #428498 October 15, 2024 11:46 am 4
Underneath all the justifications there are some ancient grudges against the Russians and Persians. Scratch an Eastern European Jewish neo-con like Kagan hard enough – and there are old resentments against his people’s ancient enemies. The rest is just greed and excuses.
TomA #428504 October 15, 2024 12:20 pm 11
There are over half a million dead or seriously wounded white guys in Ukrainian dirt because of a handful of neocons in the Biden Administration. And now they want US military grunts to die in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran on their behalf. At some point, the cannon fodder must turn around and point their guns at the real enemy. No GI should ever fight to keep tyrants in power killing innocent women and children. That is not honorable duty. “No sir, I will not obey that illegal order.”
Whiskey #428511 October 15, 2024 1:14 pm 11
Iran is not immune to moral problems. There are periodic protests, often mass protests. Mostly by young people desiring more sexual freedom and the end of restrictions on women’s dress, sexuality, and so on. In one infamous incident, a young woman protester was shot in the head and killed by the religious police.The religious police are mostly despised in urban areas, no surprise they are also corrupt and they are hated in Iran as they are in Saudi Arabia by the younger people.Technology, particularly mass media, consumerism, and professional urbanization seem even in Islamic nations to erode the social consensus on morality. This process of techno-urbanization tends to atomize even Muslims, to the point of individuality becoming the moral baseline (its good because I WANT IT) rather than the social norms enforced by villages where everyone knows everyone else. In the big city, like “Taxi Driver” anonymity leads to social isolation and a race to the gutter. [Paul Schrader’s point in the script.]And there are problems in Iran that cannot be solved by Islam: racial/ethnic separatism. Persians are maybe 62% of the population — there are Balochi, Kurdish, Khuzestan (Arabs), and Azeri separatists. The CIA will often stir them up, as will Pakistan, and the issues of nationalism (the Balochis are Shia) along with Sunni-ism (the others are not Shia) cannot be reconciled by Shia Islam. Allah is silent on the issues of nations.I also agree the Progressivism can only go to new moral extremes, in order to confer status and power and positions to the Progressive. If everyone agrees, their power/authority and specialness goes away. Its why you have the Oregon Forestry Dept suspending the #2 guy because some purple haired land whale Diversity Officer snitched him out for hiring on merit not gayness.In order to succeed in the West, we need a new moral order based on both “because we live here” morality of past sacrifice, and the “mandate of heaven” of actually delivering the goods. Musk is looking at this as a way to produce both a stable elite and one that is effective. It is not lost on many that he can capture rockets and re-use them. Blue haired landwhales can only be triggered.
btp #428424 October 15, 2024 8:51 am 11
Well, Iran also shows us that what comes next might very well be what came before. Americans and atheists, but I repeat myself, simply cannot conceive of a system where the legitimacy of the regime is determined by how it attends to the business of the peace and the faith – which was the old term for what the authorities were doing as they looked out for the health of the Body of Christ.We can’t have that, you know, because we discovered the steam engine or because we didn’t encounter God when our guys went to space or whatever. Never mind that Iran seems to have a functioning, modern society with cars and internet and everything, and accomplishes this with a religious system that is much less bound by ideas like rationality that Christendom ever was.
Spingerah #428455 October 15, 2024 9:49 am 5
The west has its problems for sureTry living in any Islamic dominated place as anything but whatever the state religion happens to be & see how it works out for you.
Paul Gottfried #428481 October 15, 2024 10:52 am 1
Or try driving in British style in the US freeways?
Ostei Kozelskii #428497 October 15, 2024 11:40 am 7
Try speaking of negro stupidity in your workplace and see how that works out for you.
Moran ya Simba #428515 October 15, 2024 1:47 pm 4
Try suggesting to an Iranian hospital that they chop off little boys penises and see what they say
Alan Schmidt #428435 October 15, 2024 9:16 am 8
>In the West, democracy is a moral end in itself, but the result is endless debates over what will be temporarily viewed as timeless truths. There is a parody government in the game Hellraisers 2 called “Managed Democracy” which is clearly a hard-line dictatorship in a democratic veneer. The Starship Troopers like soldiers are talking about defending this government from the aliens who are invading. The characters in that game act less ridiculous than our your average shit-lib.
Templar #428482 October 15, 2024 10:54 am 3
It’s “Helldivers 2,” not “Hellraisers 2.”
The Wild Geese Howard #428525 October 15, 2024 3:26 pm 2
Oh, there’s plenty of poz inHelldivers 2. For starters, just look at the positively Kalergian crewmembers of the starships.
Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD #428470 October 15, 2024 10:27 am 7
Iran is always going to be a regional hegemon. It’s economy alone dictates that. It is a crime against logic that we don’t ditch the “mad mullah” BS talk and engage the Iranians. We let bygones be bygones with Vietnam.Why not make peace with Iran unless we are directly controlled by our overlords in Tel Aviv? That proves who really runs our government thanks to AIPAC dollars.We’ve never fought a war against the Persians, unless you count Operation Nimble Archer and the tanker wars in the late 1980s. I know the Obama administration tried, but the predictable neocons went bananas and the deal, likely a bad one for our country, was put aside.Their Air Force still has three relics from the Shah’s time still flying: F-4 Phantoms, F-14 Tomcats and F-5 Tigers. Fascinating how their aeronautical industry has grown simply building parts for these museum pieces.
ray #428517 October 15, 2024 1:56 pm 6
Modern America has nothing to do with Scriptural Christianity. It is its antithesis. The U.S. idols are (disastrous and hypocritical) egalitarianism, drawn directly from Jacobin France via egalite. Not exactly a traditional sire, eh? The other idols are reason and ‘democracy’, which are inherited from the Enlightenment, not from Christianity.In cultural practice, America is a feminist society . . . all institutions are controlled by collective female power. Its men are spiritual and ethical weaklings, ruled over by their wives and daughters. Again — the antithesis of Scriptural Christianity, which via Pauline refinement is expressly patriarchal and hierarchical, not matrifocal and egalitarian. The Biblical model is Christ obeys Father (God), men obey Christ, and women obey men.This obtains exactly nowhere in modern America… including the churches, which are as feminized and modernized as the rest of the (degraded) culture. What you need is throne and altar. What you have is post-Enlightenment, feminist plutocracy, with globalist banksters (the get of the Templars) calling the governmental shots.
usNthem #428485 October 15, 2024 11:03 am 5
The Bible provides the moral foundation and guardrails the majority accepted and embraced. But sometime in the last century that all changed. The Bible is now so yesterday, today’s progressive knows much better and we’d all better get on board or else. Don’t be a hater, don’t you know?
Alzaebo #428570 October 15, 2024 8:43 pm 0
Of course European Christians are suspect. If they get together as a nation, they might start putting bug powder in the showers.
Hi-ya #428479 October 15, 2024 10:45 am 5
Let’s say there exists an American nation; ie whites that have ties to pre ww2 America. I think you could rightly call them a nation. But that’s another topic. Let’s say that nation became self conscious and kicked everyone else out of North America. would there be a throne and altar? You’re still stuck with a “mere Christianity” scenario at best and then its back to muh constitution and smarty pants like Thomas too cool for religion Jefferson.
Carrie #428503 October 15, 2024 12:17 pm 5
Most here will probably disagree (fine by me), but the “mere Christianity” needs to be changed to Catholicism. [cue moans and eye rolls]And I amnottalking about the f*ggotFwancisChurch of Novus Ordo. I’m talking about the Traditional Church where women wear modest clothes, men wear suits, etc. to Mass, and out of the house. And where the population is only White, Christian, and has European [prove-able?] blood roots.I’m also talking about the idea of an elected monarchy, wherein the local peoples (maybe we keep the king’s ruling area to, oh, let’s say the combined size of TX and OK) directly elect their monarch (to control for the variable of stupidity / or lack of leadership skill) for the rest of his natural life.And only men who owned land could vote. No women voting, at all. And no queens (of either type).That’s where I’d start.
ray #428523 October 15, 2024 2:40 pm 0
Jefferson hated Christ and expressed that often.
Alzaebo #428562 October 15, 2024 8:30 pm 0
Mere Christianity did us fine until the Puritan wackjobs got involved, both before and after. Abolition and Social Gospel.
Ostei Kozelskii #428472 October 15, 2024 10:30 am 5
That’s an interesting elucidation of Iranian government. Sounds like they’ve got a pretty good system.As for government and politics in AINO, a couple of quibbles. First, I don’t consider defeating global communism to have been part of the progressive project. The Left in America prior to the rise of the New Left was ambivalent on this matter. They certainly were not, in the main, pinkos. However, there were plenty of fellow travelers and anti-anti commies. I guess one could say they were soft on communism. It was conservatives, generally a weak and feckless tribe, who did the heavy lifting to defeat global communism. And that’s about the only thing they get any credit for.And second, I don’t see AINO’s Power Structure as being particularly beholden to reason. Quite the opposite. Just look at the madness that undergirds the depravity, perversity and negrophilia of the age, and tell me how this measures up to the bar of reason. It does not. Reason is all on the side of normalcy, traditional morality and calling a spade a spade. But the New Left, whose intellectual wellspring is irrationalist poststructuralism, views reason as a white, racist narrative and therefore rejects it whenever it sees fit.
c matt #428500 October 15, 2024 11:52 am 1
You are confusing the process of reasoning with reality. Progressives certainly reason from their premises. But there is no guarantee their premises comport with reality.
Ostei Kozelskii #428509 October 15, 2024 12:53 pm 1
Can one properly reason from irrational premises, or does an irrational substrate doom the erstwhilecogitatioto the chaotic modality?
rasqball #428529 October 15, 2024 4:23 pm 1
Answer: oh yes, “reason” need not be grounded in rationality.
Ostei Kozelskii #428531 October 15, 2024 5:03 pm 1
Why the scare quotes around reason? Is the reason you speak of not actually reason?
rasqball #428538 October 15, 2024 6:52 pm 1
You strike me as a reasonable man, and good on ya, brother, but I hold that, under scrutiny, outside of (lab) cultured intellectual processes, there is no such thing as reason, quotes or no, and we kid ourselves supposing otherwise.
Ostei Kozelskii #428565 October 15, 2024 8:36 pm 0
Interesting. Do you have a better term to describe the process by which we put two and two together and figure out that the earth rotates ’round the sun rather than the reverse?
Greg Nikolic #428422 October 15, 2024 8:42 am 5
Progressive thinkers who have abandoned Christianity are still wedded to secular humanism, a form of morality that puts human well-being at the forefront of the list of priorities. The support for trans people and extreme feminism is the icing on the cake as far as they’re concerned. The notions that animate progressivism are ever-expanding, a buffet table of wishful desserts. What is “in” one year is added on by two “in”s the next year.It’s impossible to fully satisfy the progressive heart. 💓 Left in limbo by society and driven to make changes, he gathers with like-minded rabble-rousers and takes to the airwaves to express his demands.The flaw with the intellectual conservative is believing the obsessive progressive can be reasoned with. You can’t reason with someone who is as emotional as a girl, you can only put your foot down and turn the heel.— Greg (my blog:http://www.dark.sport.blog)
ray #428521 October 15, 2024 2:25 pm 1
Yup.
Vizzini #428534 October 15, 2024 6:09 pm 4
while for the last thirty years the West has been searching for a new god to replace the old one. And a new devil.
Dutchboy #428486 October 15, 2024 11:09 am 4
The traditional Catholic understanding of the relationship of Church and State is the “two swords” philosophy, wherein the state has certain functions as does the Church. The state functions are always circumscribed by the Church’s moral teachings while the Church supports the State as long as the State operates within those boundaries. This relationship was always problematic, since rulers typically concern themselves with acquiring more wealth and power whereas the Church is intent on promoting virtue and holiness among its flock (including the rulers). The potential for clashes is obvious and they were frequent. The liberal ideology that replaced the old order was radically opposed to the Church’s sexual and economic morality and thus totally opposed to the two swords doctrine and has effectively abolished Church influence on public policy. Attempts by the Church to live within the new arrangement have been unsuccessful. Public policy has become radically anti-Christian and there has been a dramatic drop off in Christian faith, greatly encouraged by the public educational and propaganda apparatus. Actual physical violence against believers and churches is becoming more frequent and merely publicly praying at an abortion clinic can get you a prison sentence.
ray #428522 October 15, 2024 2:39 pm 1
Real Christianity is rare in modern America. The supposed churches are modernized and feminized, and have nothing to do with Scriptural Christianity.
Alzaebo #428568 October 15, 2024 8:40 pm 1
What we forget is Anglicanism- created specifically to go around those Catholic moral boundaries, as Henry wanted to divorce. Although both King James and the Founders were Masons, they were also British subjects beholden to the Church of England.
stranger in a strange land #428456 October 15, 2024 9:54 am 4
The penultimate paragraph is as brilliant, pragmatic, and pithy a statement of Iran v USA as I can imagine.Ironically, Iran may end up being governed somewhat like shah Pahlavi envisioned – sans the Western decadence & decay.BTW – great book on the fall of the shah – The Fall of Heaven.
Captain Willard #428441 October 15, 2024 9:21 am 4
The “great question” of our Age is whether a society can maintain order and morality while advancing enough technologically to increase living standards and keep everyone happy. Iran is perhaps the most interesting case study in this regard. Which is why they are trying to destroy it……..
Templar #428432 October 15, 2024 9:13 am 4
Even so, the fact that Iran has survived as a democratic theocracy provides a clue for how American progressivism could survive as well Seems more like a clue as to how America can survive the extinction of progressivism.
Alzaebo #428572 October 15, 2024 8:52 pm 0
Considering the knotty complexities of Islamic religious law, based as it is on the tall tales of the Koran and the rumors of hadith and sunna, I’d say both you and Zman have a point.
N.S. Palmer #428418 October 15, 2024 8:31 am 4
For individuals, the basic moral question is “what kind of person do I choose to be?” For nations, the basic political question is “what kind of society do we choose to have?”“In the end, we face every day the question posed by American Founder Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper #1:‘whether societies of men are really capable of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.’The answer is equivocal. We can establish morality (and good government) by reflection and choice, but our choices are both shaped and limited by our history, culture, religion, and populations. If people in other countries can’t understand what we’re talking about or understand that it’s true, then we have no right to impose our beliefs on them. If we choose to do it anyway, the cost is often very high for everyone involved. The wisest course is to live as morally as we can according to our own judgment, and to allow people in other countries and groups the same privilege.”—Why Sane People Believe Crazy Things
Some Guy #428473 October 15, 2024 10:32 am 6
“N.S. Palmer is an American mathematician. He worked as a policy analyst on Capitol Hill and has written for numerous publications including The Jerusalem Post and The Jewish Journal of Los Angeles.”
kerdasi amaq #428508 October 15, 2024 12:53 pm 2
The American empire: always looking for monsters to slay.
Vizzini #428535 October 15, 2024 6:10 pm 1
endless debates over what will be temporarily viewed as timeless truths Nice turn of phrase.
DYSPEPSIA GENERATION Blog Archive Democratic Theocracy #428510 October 15, 2024 12:57 pm 1
[…] ZMan explains it all to you. […]
Hi-ya #428496 October 15, 2024 11:39 am 1
Although I only listened to it in the car, and it really needs closer attention, this is the subject of McIntyre s after virtue. here’s an example of what one mat call piety: …we have strongly exhorted (the faithful of France) to increase their love and efforts in defence of the Catholic faith and likewise of their native land: two duties of paramount importance, and from which, in this life, no man can exempt himself. Leo XIII, Au Milieu Des Sollicitudes: On the Church and State  in France (1892)
Zaphod #428552 October 15, 2024 8:00 pm 0
Hmmm… Let’s see how that gambit played out… France by the Laws of July 5, 1904: “Fuck you, Leo XIII, and the horse you rode in on and also you’re dead now so fuck Pius X too. After that’s all She (Marianne, herself) Wrote. Fin.
Democratic Theocracy #428660 October 16, 2024 9:39 am 0
[…] Source:https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=32876[…]
vladdy #428556 October 15, 2024 8:18 pm 0
A democracy? But “Dear Leader” is selected by a council of islamic politicians. And I wonder what the women, in particular, who actually get “beaten up” on if they show a lock of hair….would say.
Ostei Kozelskii #428567 October 15, 2024 8:38 pm 5
They’re probably happier with their lot than you’d imagine. Perhaps happier even than the neurotic harridans who maraud across the western hellscape.


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