Gary Cooper, High Noon.Duty above all. Get the job done, no matter the sacrifice.That is a man.

OT: I have been boozing tonight and thinking about how Congress literally celebrated voting to give hundreds of billions ot foreign countries while we get screwed. I never quite was on the Z Man idea of the hating us until now. I will NEVER vote again for an establishment congressman. F THIS

Roosh V left the entire movement and is now an Orthodox Christian ; I should also say Vox Day is thriving as both comics and books are doing exceptionally well. One thing i notice now is the social sexual hierarchy and it shows up clearly in the comments as to your status.

Didn’t know where this goes because it applies to so many threads, so here made sense.If all a woman is looking for is a bad boy, she’s just a variant on a mudshark. Stay away. Unless its the best you can do, I guess, and if that’s the case maybe consider playing for the other team. At least do us the rest of us the favor of not spawning more “mudsharks” from her genes.Women worth having are complex, but share two major characteristics, and you must satisfy both. Security and submission. She wants to know that all her material needs are met, and will be met in the future, and that her children’s needs will also always be met. That you will always be there for her and her kids. And she needs to let her hair down in private and get the feeling of danger, even when she knows to her very core that she is perfectly safe in your hands.The reason women hate betas is betas can never satisfy either need. Your ambition to eventually work your way up to a cubicle on the third floor does not give her the security she wants. And if you are not capable of great violence, you are harmless, failing in both key needs.\A good woman doesn’t necessarily need you to succeed in fulfilling those desires, BTW. She just needs to have you never give up trying. If you are not in the best shape of your life, what are you waiting for? And if you are, improve. If you don’t have a corner office, and plans to move into the penthouse office, what are you doing now to make that a reality? Do you at least have those aspirations?

Reading through the comment section I had a few more thoughts on the people involved in this stuff. One thing that struck me was the severe cringe of the remaining true believers, what might have once enthralled a horny 20 year old now just sounds like the same insecure bragging of any pathetic middle-aged man. I remember boomers lying about how much sex they had in the 60s and now it’s gen x lying about how much sex they had in the 90s and xennials lying about how much sex they had in the 2000s. (I remember back in those days I had an onion on my belt which was the fashion at the time, and I’d just go up to random women in the street and seduce them and take them to a gross-out comedy movie. Oh hollywood had real glamour back in those days, after watching a Jewish man pretending to be a teenager masturbate with an apple pie these ladies would be horned up something fierce I’ll tell you what…)The men’s rights side of things was at least not clownish like the game side, and one definitely feels for these guys and their horror stories of marriage. But in the end were these men we should have been listening to? Bitter men only presenting the worst possible outcomes of relationship as if it was the standard. It’s the same trap the feminists fell into, they let the lesbians and their bad attitudes drive the train to spinsterville.The common factor between the two was taking the libertarian individualist mindset down to the absolute atomic level of the lone person and completely eschewing the pair bonding that’s been the mainstay of civilization for thousands of years. In a traditional society a man dressed like a peacock running around like a gigolo would have been murdered by the other males. The most salient point is that none of this stuff results in white babies.

For the record… The “red pill” is nothing new. It’s ages old masculine knowledge. I’ll sight William Shakespeare’s how to deal with a bitchy woman tour de force “The Taming of the Shrew,” and works by Arthur Schopenhauer as proof that what we know call the red pill is in fact what used to pass for common male knowledge. “Women love assholes.”

BTW Z… Don’t be a hypocrite!I’ve been a fan of your writing since your Takimag days. Do you not, although humbly ask for donations to support your work? They don’t “accept listener enthusiasm at the bank” I don’t classify you as a grifter for asking for donations so you can afford the time and money to provide the great material you provide. I’m sure there are many ppl out there who don’t appreciate or see the value in your work who would equally consider you a grifter.If a guy like Rollo Tomassi “George Miller,” or Captain Capitalism “Aaron Cleary,” put the time and effort into writing seminal works like Rollo’s Ratiional Male series, or Cleary’s Enjoy the Decline, should they not make some money off of their work? You know the time and effort you put into your work and that time and effort could have been used to make money doing something else. A lot of these guys put their work out for free for years on forums and blogs, before they wrote books or showed up on YouTube. Now you have a host of influencer wanna be grifters, regurgitating the material the three R’s Rollo, Roisy and Rooshe and a host of others used to provide for free decades ago and are grifting off of the guys who did the leg work mostly for free. Those guys Tate included are the true grifters.

You’re fucking A right on the men’s “fashion” Z. All these hipster dudes walking around in berkenstocks / sandles with socks, always a freakin hoodie, hood up mind you in 90 degree heat. Cargo shorts with hoodie and a parka in a Buffalo blizzard, often with sandles / crocks.A guy who I trusted to do my tires without destroying my wheels told me he’s also a pastor of some Christian sect. He did a wedding held in a park, with the bride and groom attired in pajamas, robes and slippers. How fucking bizarre is that!Men do need to fine tune their look from time to time. Example, skinny ties in the 60’s, wide ties in the 70’s, back to skinny in the 80’s. We’ve seemed to settle in to medium width ties. Even as a guy who wears a tie maybe twice a year, I’m aware of this men’s fashion faux pas. Look how flannel shirts keep coming and going.But the classics always come back around. A well worn pair of Levi’s never goes out of style.

Do you know what it means to be a man? It is to take what you want and destroy the opposition. It is violence and chicanery in its highest forms.It is easy to settle for one female in a monogamous relationship. It is easy to pick up the black-as-a-negro spatula and start barbecuing. It is easy to go to work 9 to 5 and punch in a time clock.Try being charming enough to seduce a woman and have her support you, as I have, on more than one occasion. Oh, that’s right, it isn’t manly to have her pay the bills, even if you are the one holding the whip hand. ✋Only white alpha males should have the right to vote. That would solve all our problems in a jiffy.— Xloveli (www.dark.sport.blog)

Heartiste 💓 was a great man. His comments room at Chateau Heartiste was different from Zman’s channel.Whereas the Chateau was about 80% alpha/alpha wannabes and 20% beta simps, Zman’s hollows are filled with 80% betas, and many of the scarce Alphas are refugees from WordPress’s lethal and final censorship of Chateau Heartiste.The betas here have this strange idea that if a man knocks up a piece of ass, he should spend 18 years slaving away to support her little rugrat. They think “Manning up” means taking responsibility, when it really is a euphemism for societal control. A lot of them seem to like mustaches.Just one more point: a commenter here said the alpha pick up artist ends up saying “yes dear” when his wife tells him to do the dishes. My response: Just because you’re a pussy doesn’t make every man one. I had a relationship for 3 years where my bitch was a good bitch and did exactly what I told her. That’s the real world for some, buddy.— Xloveli (www.dark.sport.blog)

Just a thought; to be a man do something genuinely dangerous, survive it and don’t brag about it. You need that hard to define but you-know-when-you-see-it steel core in your being

The Manosphere never got much love here, I truly believe this is a generational thing. Z’s audience skews Boomer, simple as. So the absolute shitshow that was dating in the mid 00s up to present day was basically lost on them. It was late Xers and Millennials who were really feeling the effects of the destruction of the social contract in full. Divorce court rape, the rise of social media, beta thirst/simping, and the complete abdication of responsibility by women. All brought to you in large part, by (((radical feminism))).So when these group of men started to compare stories through the magic of the internet it was enlightening to hear so many similar tales. It was also a place, like Z’s place, where people could go to speak with the like-minded and realize they were not crazy and it was extreme gaslighting they were experiencing.It makes me sad that so many here have such a poor understanding of the Manosphere as basically “PUAs”, yeah, that was –part– of it. But hardly all of it. Like most things in life, complexity & nuance are a real thing, and that includes the Manosphere which was a web of different ideologies loosely connected. There were certainly goofy grifters / scammers but there was also some really good advice for young men attempting to navigate the absolute shitshow / minefield that was modern dating & relationships.Heartiste however, stands as a towering giant amongst the rest. You needn’t go farther than his archives to see this. This guy had a rapier wit, razor sharp, in addition to deep & profound insights into the human psyche, the effects of globohomo, etc. He was at -least- as capable of a writer as our esteemed Z-Man, and as a dark comedian exceeded him in many ways. I say this as high praise to both Z and Heartiste as they were the only ones who could hold my attention for any length of time.That is why when Heartiste was removed, which was an inevitability as he shifted his focus more & more from socio-sexual issues to (((other bigger problems))) and his profile got too high, I decamped to Z forum. He use to link to Z with some frequency so I always made a mental note that the quality of the writing and the commentariat was “up to par” and it would be my new home if the inevitable happened.I know we have some serious Heartiste vets here- Whiskey, fakeeemail, Pozy, Bourbon, many others. I’m glad for their presence. I was a prolific contribute at Heartiste and even an occasional guest writer there so I simply cannot say anything bad about the guy.My unsolicited (and long) .02₵Apex Predator AKA “Jay in DC” (for many years at CH)

It took tons of blather to finally figure out the life-changing message: Women look for a man who isn’t afraid of them. Women, men, an audience. It’s that simple.That’s magnetism. That’s confidence. Even though I’ve been arounds hundreds of women, and have no fear of crowds, I was never *that guy*.I couldn’t read the signals. Now, because of that one line that I had to come up with, it just comes automatically with people. Many can do it but they can’t say how.Heartiste changed my life. But dammit, people, can’t anyone just simplysayit?

This is a good list, so maybe the temptation to add to it is too much to bear, but I would suggest this:Do manly things.– Get your hands dirty doing something involving intense (for you) manual labor. Work your property, build something, fix something, but get “black-under-the-nails”, Lava soap, sweat-grime, “don’t you come in this house like that” dirty.– If you can, pick up an outdoor sport or athletic pursuit that involves at least some element of risk/danger or physical exertion. Could be a sportsball game, mountain bike, alpine skiing/boarding, trail running, etc. I’m not saying you have to do stuff that puts your life in danger, but if you come home with a little bit of blood on you, you’re not gonna die and you’ll feel better about yourself.– Take your woman dancing or dining, let her get dolled up, and put yourself in some clothes that say you remember what men ought to look like when you’re out with her. Stop going to nice restaurants in cargo shorts and flipflops, Skippy.– Fix broken things, clean the garage, and do all the little things that keep your house running mechanically– Do almost anything involving weapons and home defense that doesn’t involve criminal behavior.– Take an hour on a hot day and do **absolutely nothing at all** except sit someplace comfortable outside and drink at least 2 of your favorite beverage.My wife of 25 years doesn’t completely get why I need these things, but she understands that I need them and that the best “father’s day” present she can give me is an entire day lost on some godforsaken mountain trail and I come home covered in mud and maybe I crashed and am bleeding from somewhere nonessential. She knows I like spending 3 hours on the tractor mowing the field and am covered in dirt because it’s windy and hot outside.I don’t bother her about why she likes to make sourdough bread, and she doesn’t complain when I fire up the kettle grill and make a roadside grilled chicken half and eat the whole thing.

Now that I’ve listened to all of the podcast, I must say Z that this cast, and last week’s on Orange Man Bad and how he bedevils our betters are two of your best. As Sev might say at his blog, you’ve launched it over the fence these last two weeks.I agreed with many of your points and consider it solid advice for men these days, and for young men coming up. As the old joke says “Common sense, ain’t.” It’s a shame to see what we’ve lost, and what we must regain.Now don’t go all Jordan Peterson on us and wig out. 😏

The profound feminization of the past couple generations is mind-boggling. I’m younger than the original manosphere guys, but even I remember when you could count on a man to be where and when he said he’d be and take constructive criticism soberly. Millennials and Zoomers will now flake on you with flippancy that puts women to shame. And voicing the slightest critique is apt to evoke a weeping fit. Dealing with 30-year-old men is now like interacting with 50-year-old women.

About that Manliness: Today is yr 249 since Lexington and Concord ….

Quick thought ref embracing technology.I must admit I resist. I tell others I look to live a 1953 life. Really, I should say a “Pre-Theo Roosevelt / Woodrow Wilson one. (We might have had a chance then, though TR WAS all-in on manliness, he primed the ways for globalism, Taft of the 5-cent cigar, and the metastatic progressivism that rode into govt on Wilson’s back.)But really, I would have missed 20th century aviation, antibiotics and the 1911 …I recall my hyper-liberal stepmother, who hailed from Chicago and Toledo, showing me some three or four decades back a column by her favorite newspaper writer — Mike Royko. It was the dawning of the personal computer age. In this column Royko was asked by a young follower who wanted to be a writer, what kind of computer he should get.Royo responded that he should not get one, because if he did, he would soon be absorbed that insidious tech fascination that captured so many, and he would forget about writing at all. Royko said that while he was fiddling with his new toy, the next best seller would be written by a frustrated housewife in Maine who poured out her story onto torn open shopping bags.I believe he has been proven right.“Tech” has swallowed up the obsessions of an entire class of men over many decades now, and helped rob them of those things helped ease them into manhood.Young males from the middle:— Can’t change a car’s oil— Never walked through their neighborhood with a .22 to go shoot cans and bottles— Don’t (can’t) use hand or power tools— Never built a bird house in shop— Would not lace on boxing gloves— Never forced to write on a typewriter, and accept the focus it requires, and deal with the mistakes (and never used a keyboard with the “cent” key— Will never be around male relatives who smoked sweet-smelling pipe tobacco— Don’t dream of emulating male ancestors’ “feats” in WWII— Have no Idea what or when WWII was …and on and on.1953 … well, there was the 1953 Buick Riviera convertible.

Quick thought ref embracing technology.I must admit I resist. I tell others I look to live a 1953 life. Really, I should say a “Pre-Theo Roosevelt / Woodrow Wilson one. (We might have had a chance then, though TR WAS all-in on manliness, he primed the ways for globalism, Taft of the 5-cent cigar, and the metastatic progressivism that rodeo into govt on Wilson’s back.)But really, I would have missed 20th century aviation, antibiotics and the 1911 …I recall my hyper-liberal stepmother, who hailed from Chicago and Toledo, showing me some three or four decades back a column by her favorite newspaper writer — Mike Royko. It was the dawning of the personal computer age. In this column Royko was asked by a young follower who wanted to be a writer, what kind of computer he should get.Royo responded that he should not get one, because if he did, he would soon be absorbed that insidious tech fascination that captured so many, and he would forget about writing at all. Royko said that while he was fiddling with his new toy, the next best seller would be written by a frustrated housewife in Maine who poured out her story onto torn open shopping bags.I believe he has been proven right.“Tech” has swallowed up the obsessions of an entire class of men over many decades now, and helped rob them of those things helped ease them into manhood.Young males from the middle:— Can’t change a car’s oil— Never walked through their neighborhood with a .22 to go shoot cans and bottles— Don’t (can’t) use hand or power tools— Never built a bird house in shop— Would not lace on boxing gloves— Never forced to write on a typewriter, and accept the focus it requires, and deal with the mistakes (and never used a keyboard with the “cent” key— Will never be around male relatives who smoked sweet-smelling pipe tobacco— Don’t dream of emulating male ancestors’ “feats” in WWII— Have no Idea what or when WWII was …and on and on.1953 … well, there was the 1953 Buick Riviera convertible.

Andrew Tate’s popularity, even among some of our guys is a sign of things gone wrong in our world. He’s a habitul liar. He brags about being outside of normal society. He doesn’t claim to be a guy who makes it in our society, but a guy who can live outside of it. He brags about his criminality. He brags about being a pimp. Brags about a martial arts record he largely created from whole cloth. He pretty much makes up most of his alleged accomplishments. Should it even need mentioning that he’s the son of a mudshark? A man like him normally would find acceptance and admiration from the crowd you’d find in an average prison, not normal men.

I remember back when I was into all this manosphere stuff, older people would always just dismiss it as “they just hate women”. Of course I didn’t listen since all the gurus had forewarned me that those beta boomers would try to talk me out of achieving level 9 cockmaxxed body thetans and scoring an HB 10.Years later I look at all those grifters and they all either never actually achieved a sustainable relationship or if they did end up married you can be sure as shit that when wifey wants the dishes washed its “yes dear” and they don’t employ those alpha male neurolinguistic mind control powers they claim. The reality is that they were all charlatans for sure, and some of them genuinely did hate women. I’m convinced that’s the case with Roosh, despite supposedly having all the tools in the box to plow through hundreds of women he still ends up becoming an orthodox monk or whatever. Like, either you actually hate women and can’t connect with them, or that pickup artist stuff actively prevents a real relationship forming because you spend all your time trying to manipulate the woman like a psychopath.At any rate, all their paypigs have either drifted off or committed suicide and the new crop of retarded men is too nonbinary to talk to girls or achieve erections so the manosphere has achieved the same irrelevance as feminism. Both ideologies only succeeded in preventing millennials from having any kids, good job on that.

Fine young men, I am GenX and this was part of my youth at one time:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyTgCvtVFI I’m the guy mostly wearing yellow. You should step away from the screen more and think about and experience real life. My late elder friend, Roger Nelson, gave us a skydiving rule which has suited me well in this life generally: RULE #9 – No matter what happens never, ever give up! Rule #9 Gentlemen.

Today’s post fired off a lot of neurons in the old brain. Two attributes of being a man especiallly stood out for me. Prudence and Admitting your Mistakes as it concerns two characters from the War Between the States.The first is Abraham Lincoln. Yes, I know he was a railroad lawyer, he trampled on habeas corpus, and I’ve sometimes made a big deal out of being from the South so I’m a little hesitant to write this, but Lincoln IMO exhibited prudence to an exceptional degree. IOW, he manned up. How did he do this? By simply putting his foot down. He must have foreseen what would happen if he didn’t put his foot down, in contrast to his predecessor Buchanan. The Confederacy would have become an independent nation (we can leave aside whether that would have been a good thing or not.) In gaining its sovereignty, it would have received diplomatic recognition from the powerful nations of Europe, and that almost assuredly would have guaranteed its temporary survival. But both the North and the South held in common ownership the western territories. That is to say, there would have been a very messy divorce and they would have been at each other’s throats in no time at all to settle who owned what. So he had to strike when the South was at its weakest. If my great-great grandfather foresaw that it would be long and bloody — and he did — then Lincoln had to know this as well. But Lincoln did it anyway, right or wrong.The second example is Robert E. Lee. I read a book arguing that Lee was a terrible general. It was very persuasive book. His early brilliant victories were owing to his subordinate Stonewall Jackson and when Jackson was killed, it was all but over. After the disaster at Gettysburg, Lee was humble and blamed himself for the defeat. He went on record blaming himself. He knew he had screwed up. But his men loved him anyway and the South forgave him. It speaks to what it takes to be a real man.

Three thoughts:1) This country is a fucking disgrace/crime scene that we should even have these problems of normal men who can’t get dates AND open borders and all the rest.2) Neil Strauss “The Game” will always be a seminal work for men trying to understand how to solve this problem we all face. Strauss and Mystery and Roissy and Roosh will always be giants in my book.3) Open Borders for Asian Women ONLY. AFAIK, they are the only ones who aren’t interested in silly dating games and directly hook-up with all the nice white guys who treat them good. They save him from becoming the Captain Save-a-Ho to a some old white slag and her fatherless kids.

The Manosphere is even bigger than before. It has different people and a different platform and different focus, but its huge. Both Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic get interviewed by Piers Morgan. Other outlets include: Overlord DVD (his comic schtick is he’s a comic book VILLAIN who finds Hollywood too evil for him), Midnight’s Edge (run by a former Norwegian hedge fund guy who HATES commies), Culture Casino, a former toy executive (WDW Pro), and Valiant Renegade (sort of a investment analyst / Rush Limbaugh combo). Drinker regularly pulls in more views in a week than stuff on various broadcast networks.Its a different phase. It is comprised of dudes who have seen their childhood heroes, their favorite video games, their favorite comic book heroes, sci-fi franchises and fantasy franchise ruined by “put a chick in it and make her lame and gay.” They have largely given up on women as bars have collapsed along with music scenes and dating is swipe left/right with only the top guys being successful. Charisma does not count when filtered out by an income, height, physique, and other metrics profile.If you believe the stats, most younger White guys are single, don’t have sex, or a girlfriend, and won’t ever have one. Their female peers are mostly fat/lesbian, or Alpha BPD Widows flitting from one Alpha to the next. Most of their female peers seem to openly loathe their male peers. A woman like Katherine Maher, whose entire life seems to be oriented around destroying anything that White males like, or some 300lb Cancel Pig is their option.And this has the Regime world-wide very, very worried. Its why Andrew Tate who would otherwise be a minor annoyance had a ton of bricks come down on him. Why Roissy was doxxed, and the rest silenced. Any dude who can gather a group of White men particularly young White men is a manifest threat to the fake, gay, and lesbian world of the Regime. The Regime has literally nothing to offer young / youngish White men. Stanford admitted only 20% Whites, and of that 20% only 9% where men, meaning only 2% of their most recent admit class is White Men (and 100% of that is ((())) ). Similar results are there for Harvard, Yale, etc. The Military has new goals with Gen Brown now Chief of Staff, demanding a ceiling of 40% White men for officers and non-coms. Meaning demotions for White men are coming, and big ones at that. Bloomberg estimates that since the Summer of George Floyd, only 6% of new hires by Fortune 500 were White (and likely all of those women particularly lesbians). There are no economic opportunities for the overwhelming majority of young / youngish White men nor romantic ones nor even escapism any more.As above, all White male heroes have been replaced by lesbians of color. In every comic book, fantasy, sci-fi, adventure, and action franchise. With a promise for young White men that “in the future you will own nothing, have no privacy, live in the pod, eat the bugz, and use the pronouns.” Plus, your childhood hero got shown up to be a loser (just like you) and replaced by some lesbian of color.The Regime knows that SOMEONE will pick up the crown, lying in the gutter, with the point of his sword. They are determined that it will not happen on Social Media and there they will be successful. I think someone will pick up that crown however and it will happen not online but within physical networks somewhere unexpected. No one, and I mean NO ONE in the Regime inspires respect and admiration by Straight White men (twinks don’t count).

Is it Friday already? Sheesh, we’re all going to be dead soon

I’m old enough to remember when pickup football was played spontaneously on dirt lots and tree lawns, and doing it in the rain was a Godsend because it was more fun than sport. That is how traditional male ethos was sustained in my youth. My sons played organized rugby and it served the same purpose; taught the manly arts via teamwork and competition; combining brute physical and nimble mental labor.Half the US population is male and we tolerate living in a country in which the nominal figurehead of our government shits his pants and can’t speak a coherent sentence. We have “evolved” from George Washington to Dementia Joe. That is no way to live and we do our manly ancestors great shame by allowing this abomination to persist. Despite the doomsday propaganda that creates a false impression of systemic weakness, there are still to this day, millions of real men living here and stoically seething at our descent into feminized cuckoldry. The spring is wound tight.There will be a reckoning and it will not come via voting harder.

Gen X, I was made to play contact sports early in elementary school onwards. I boxed and wrestled with better than average records, say 22-7 with some key spikes at state quarter finals. Even on my own volition I played on the #2 ranked rugby team in N. America as starting hooker. Later, and occasionally still, I skydive although I have zero desire to again leap from a local FM radio mast. But it taught me Rule #9 from my good friend Roger Nelson, with whom I once was “family,” NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, NEVER EVER GIVE UP. This annoying fully capitalized truism is a commandment every man must adhere to even under terminal medical death sentence or comparable. You may quit at events, but we must never ever quit on what is important. Never. I say this having experienced actual real life near death experiences in the raw. 0.02

A lot of people don’t realize the true social revolution that the Manosphere actually was. I think you would have to had grown up in a truly pozzed shitlib hive as I was to properly appreciate it.In a liberal hive there is no morality, no code, no real rules. Ughhh… the women are nutcases. Their men are cucks and wretches that just want peace and quiet at any cost. I do not cast stones at the Grillers… there but for the grace of God go I. It was a nightmare as a kid and truly hell as an adult. I spent most of my adult years in that hive with my nose in a glass trying to ignore the lunacy and BS around me.When I discovered the Manosphere it was mind blowing. Men like me were finally able to gather and compare notes. The sheer volume of data provided the basis for immediate, entirely plausible explanations and theories on female and shitlib behaviour. Patterns jumped out almost at once. All of a sudden we all had a good understanding of why these people acted the way they did and how to insulate ourselves against them. Men that were put through inhuman divorce courts had a place to speak and be heard. Do you remember how ithat was? It used to be that in divorce, it was always the man’s fault. The woman was always the victim. The men went to the cleaners, and the women went to the bank. If it can be said that men are pigs…then it follows that our women are sows. They would never allow a space like the Manosphere to exist in the mainstream. It was also a place to heal for some. Many commented that it was toxic and it was in places…but chemo is toxic too.I don’t care what anyone says, Heartiste was a gift from God. His wit and sense of humour were maybe not as refined as that of our esteemed blog host…but his mockery and satire left scars and marks on the dregs of our society that can still be seen today! I think he chit poasts on Blab under the handle of “Nillas With Attitude “? The guy sure sounds like him.I agree with the fella down below. The Manosphere didn’t go away; it went mainstream and became a pillar of modern Dissident thought. Nobody gets married anymore. Everyone knows that most of our women are insane. Men that are not tied up in families, men that were wronged and wrongfully cast out – are not festering and seething like they used to. They are working out, acquiring new skills and improving themselves – and that’s a good thing that we should support and encourage.I predict the same for dissidence. It is starting to go mainstream now and soon it too will become an accepted and acknowledged pillar of our world view that nobody will really think of much after they accept it as fact.I only had time for half the show and it promises to be another good one! 😎👍Have a great weekend you guys.

My first take on listening the the first 1/3rd of the podcast is as follows — and I could not take any more, sorry host. You KNOW who Roosh is in this space, why say otherwise?It sounds to me like the views of someone that has not successfully raised any sons. I am pretty sure the blog host is around my age, and I have no hard data to know whether that is the case, and for all I know he is the ultimate mentor, father, keeps that to self.For me and mine, two sons now young adults and thriving — also un-jabbed, former readers of Chateau (anyone can find it easily, it is not ‘gone’ in that sense, just not active anymore) — both married, with full understanding of the nature of women, partly gleaned from Heartiste, Roosh V., and others.They golf. Ski. Ride dirt bikes. Work on their own damn cars. Fix their own damn houses. Sorry, they are not ‘country’ or ‘dirt’ people. We share reading lists and they do with their friends. They are not geeks, incels, but not ‘chads’ … perhaps some males forgot the attraction ‘average’ looking men have to the opposite sex by simply being capable??Successfully raising sons is not rocket science. It is a MENTORED activity, that takes a plan and involvement. Focus, giving up new car smell, your wife’s desires for a ‘bigger house’ and so on. When you have to assert your will for them, you do. Mommy-raised boys are by definition weaklings, or later bullies, but behind ‘laws’ or ‘rules’ or from a cubicle or government job.It starts by BEING a man. And that can be self-taught if your father was less than fully formed as a man.I don’t think this blog’s readers need me, just one man, to give an instructional guide on how to mentor boys into men. Unless we have entered a new ‘dark age’ where this basic, fundamental knowledge HAS been lost.Have we? Are the readers here so weak, effeminate, that they can’t get their SELVES out to mow their own lawns among one of the simpler tasks?This ‘attitude’ of being a ‘man’ — means squat if you have no skills. It means your woman and children have to always look to ANOTHER MAN to do even the most basic tasks. Pretty much, that’s what I see in my suburban zone: weak, beta males that can’t swing a hammer without striking their own crotch, letting their wives — whether they’ve been divorced already or not — raise their ‘sons’ while posting on the internet as if ‘all is lost’, no more ‘masculinity…’

Teenage missionaries from local churches ring my doorbell every so often. They give me pamphlets, so it’s only fair that give them something in return. I keep a box of books ready next to the door: For young men, I give them Masculinity Amidst Madness by Ryan Landry and Thriving in Bad Places by James LaFondFor young women, I give them Communities that Abide by Dmitri Orlov I wanted to give more edgy titles but if it’s too edgy and some higher up finds out, they will just avoid my address on the next pass.

Excellent post and I plan to listen to the podcast later . . . with my husband. Illustrative anecdote: I was describing a meme to him (in a brief break from his work this morning) that I saw at Big Country’s blog. ‘Sounds That Guys Love to Hear.’ So I mentioned the weapon firing, the beer can being popped open, the meat sizzling . . . and my husband – without having seen this meme – automatically knew and said what the last ‘sound’ was with me – and laughed. And said “See, you married a ‘real man.”

https://modernity.news/2024/04/18/comedian-says-dave-chapelle-was-visited-to-have-his-views-corrected/ Consider the sudden disappearance of the manosphere in that context. I believe that the “success” of a blog such as this one is dependent on its visibility remaining below a certain threshold, that if it became too popular, it also would be dealt with.

Good show! I’d enjoy hearing more of these ‘philosophical’ talks where you explore what life is like.

The media brought the PUA stuff out in the open, intentionally, and counted on that killing it. Mystery even took the bait and did a cheesy dating show on VH1. Of course this lines up perfectly with the Mystery that Strauss wrote about, as he always longed for attention and fame. He was easy pickings. Bringing PUA to the attention of every female and soyboy on Jezebel and Reddit was enough. Of course, this is because it worked. The idea that men could once again take charge of their own life in all aspects, including their relationships with women, is not acceptable and not to be tolerated. This whole liberal operation does not work unless men are defanged and women are in charge.Didn’t Heartiste get doxxed? I vaguely remember that, then his website disappeared. This was, if I recall, not long after he started talking about juice more explicitly.

My son is 23 and went through much of what Z describes. Made real friends playing sports. Moved on to stuff like kick-boxing and jujitsu to test his limits, Did manual work for the pay, but also for the experience. Like a lot of kids in his generation, he seemed to instinctively know when teachers were spewing nonsense and reject it. Probably helped having parents who agreed with him.

OT, but cannot resist. I know that zman has a soft corner for the Daily Wire hero 🙂 “Israel’s retaliation was like@benshapirohaving sex: Claims to have penetrated but you feel nothing.” https://twitter.com/DlugajJuly/status/1781271726858395743

It’s true that the blog Chateau Heartiste is gone, along with the pickup artist content, but Heartiste now posts regularly at Gab, “Nillas with Attitude,” @kingofallnads. It’s mostly current events, politics, the nature of men and women and the races, etc. A lot of what we talk about here.

Good podcast. Young men need to hear these bits of wisdom.

Sorry, but I can’t resist: “Be a man, Frank! Be a man!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_xUviDPUOE&t=115s

The man-o-sphere served its purpose of drawing in young men, men who wouldn’t have given a shit about politics otherwise, over to the alt-right to be polarized and used. It was a content mill (FFS, that’s exactly what Return of Kings was) and sales funnel for the political engagement.Then the alt-right served its purpose from 2016 to 2020, when we then get the shift over to the “dissident right,” for more politically-aware but politically jaded audience members (democracy bad! don’t mention I voted for Reagan!) or Musk-approved transhuman-4chan-lite, for the normies (we’re winning for real this time! he’s our guy!).Carefully look at how neither offers any meaningful solutions but focuses on seeding the idea of the “coming” collapse/decline, when the US loses power… this seed of the “decline” oddly seems to sound like, under the surface, Yarvin-Thiel style global technocracy. At least that sounds like the unstated end-goal.Curiously Beale is back at pumping up a new blog and soon a new book on the Social Sexual Hierarchy. Can anyone guess what that’s about?

Haven’t listened yet but Coach Red Pill (Gonzalo Lira) moved on from manosphere bs to internet journalism. Bad move.

Collapse of ‘manosphere’? There’s no collapse.If you mean the PUA and related grifters aged-out of their profitable stupidity, ok that’s valid. But the ‘manosphere’ already is PART of American culture, part of the collective Dreaming Mind of the west. It hasn’t collapsed. It just won, expanded from text to vids, and the grift-ticks moved on.Things that start very small take time to percolate on down. And the manosphere started long before Roissy and Mystery and Ted Beale.Assuming that the sad assortment of grifters milking the manosphere the past 15 years represents what’s happening — what’s already happened — to anglo-nation men is inaccurate. These leeches came on-board a ship that already was well underway, a ship that neither wanted nor needed their calculating presence. Men don’t need Game. They need to crush feminism and the rest of their enemies.As for men turning 50 and suddenly morphing into skeevy weirdos, that’s just the game-boys. I am over 70, in crumbling health, and I have no problem attracting young women where I live. No game, no effort, no relationship counselors, just being myself. Sux to be Mystery I guess.

Best show you’ve ever done. It should be mandatory listening for all young people. Thanks!

The pickup artist have all disappeared from the internet entirely. Given the state of young ladies today, you can’t really blame the pickup artists for throwing in the towel.

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The Derb’s old observations about the importance of innuendo and avoidance of explicitness I think explains a lot of “what’s wrong with the kids,” regarding sex. That sex is private—and derives part of its magic/sacredness from that privacy— goes back at least as far as the Greeks, to the idea of Hieros Gamos—congress between the Gods. This is part of what makes porn not just a matter of crudity or bad taste, but literal sacrilege.I’m not a Zoomer, but even as a Millennial can tell you that internet pornography has really hurt a lot of young men. It’s certainly hindered them from finding mates, and—as Derb pointed out—it’s robbed sex of its joy, which is perfectly acceptable for married couples. See Martin Luther’s own observations on his relationship with Katharina von Bora. The left loves to mock the right for prudery but once the tatted blue-haired sex positive feminist wakes up one day forty and with no kids, it stops being funny.As for a code, the best western I’ve ever read—Lonesome Dove—has that powerful scene at the end, where one man is dead and another remains. A woman wants the man to stay with her, but the man promised his friend he would get his body home to Texas. “But he’s dead!” the woman says, in essence. “You and I are alive!” But the point the man knew—and the woman couldn’t understand—was that if he didn’t honor his dead friend’s request, he would be more dead than his friend in a very fundamental way. That book was worth more to me than all the PUA Heartiste (Roosh Vidal) crap and Jack Donovan’s Rogan-esque, eat-elk-meat-and-wear-a-loincloth crap. Good riddance to that whole phony scene. Until they start posting recipes on how to slow-roast flank steaks carved from Ben Shapiro’s scrawny little torso, I’m not buying it.

In turbulent age, only dishonorable tribe gonna survive, men with honor will die out