Virtue And Justice

In the Western world, concepts like justice and virtue are thought about as objective things, as if they have been handed to us by God. You cannot have personal justice as it is a thing that exists independent of you. You can have personal virtue, but that just means you voluntarily abide by a set of objective rules. The modifier in that phrase is for emphasis rather than to shift the meaning of the word. To be a virtuous person is to live by a set of rules that apply to all individuals individually.

This is most obvious in the way we use the word justice. It is often treated like a god that must be made happy or bad things will happen. The internet is full of videos where an idiot is breaking the law in a flagrant and gratuitous way only to come to a bad end by his own hand. The popularity of these videos is due to the notion that this proves justice will always be served. Justice is like a ledger and in the end, both sides of the ledger must sum to zero or else.

Justice is the great balance between right and wrong. There are things that are right and things that are wrong. If you do something wrong, like break the law, then the needs of justice say you must be punished. It is not the cops or the prosecutor or the judge punishing you because they are upset by your actions. They are punishing you because justice demands it. They may even have sympathy for you, but justice is justice and criminals have to be punished.

Something similar exists with virtue. The virtuous person abides by the rules of society and maybe the tenets of his religion. Our sense of virtue in the West is a very republican one in that it is based on your relationship with the social systems, not how you serve your family, your community, or your people. The virtuous person adheres to the rules and defends the institutions without regard to personal consideration. It is why every politician claims to be a public servant.

Of course, the word “public” is entirely impersonal. The reason you never hear a politician say he serves his people is there is no sense of a people. There is the public, this abstract collection of individual economic units, who have nothing more than a transactional relationship with one another. In this way, the public servant is not serving real flesh and blood people, but an implementation of them. The public is the interface for whatever lies behind it.

This was not always the case in the West. Justice, for example, was a personal matter for pre-Christian people. If a guy in the next village killed one of your people, justice required you to kill him or one of his people. On the other hand, your people might decide that it is not in their interest to exact revenge this way. Instead, they decide to kill the cattle of the other village. Justice was both a personal and collective concept that was only loosely tied to universal concepts.

In Germanic societies, they had trial by combat. In a dispute between two people, justice would be determined by the two parties fighting it out. The idea was not that the gods would pick the winner in the name of justice, but that justice was a personal thing to be imposed on others. It was not the duty of the ruler to sort this out for the two parties in a dispute. His job and that of society was to set the conditions for the two sides to figure this out for themselves.

When it comes to virtue, the reverse was the case. The measure of you as a person was not against an objective set of rules for individuals, but wholly in the context of you as the member of a people. You see this in Homer where the heroes perform great deeds on behalf of their people. The Norse legends have similar tales. Virtue was all about your service to your people. It was simply impossible to be a virtuous man without contributing to the defense and prosperity of your people.

This is why exile loomed so large. Death was a terrible end because you were forever exiled from your people, so you could no longer serve them. Exile was the next worst for the same reason. It also brought the torment of living with the fact that you are denied the opportunity to serve your people. Virtue was defined by you fulfilling your potential in service to your people, so it was simply impossible to be virtuous outside the context of you as a member of a people.

There are still some flickers of this sense of virtue in the modern age. Men who volunteer for the army are thanked for their service. Military honors are often tied to selfless commitment to fellow soldiers under duress. We have parades for cops who get killed chasing criminals. Again, politicians call themselves public servants so they can pretend to be virtuous. All of this, however, is limited to a narrow space of life and measured against a universal standard of justice.

This contrast in the old views on virtue and justice with the modern views is obvious when you look at the current war between the Jews and Arabs. Hamas committed an atrocity against the Jews because their justice demanded it. The Jews are the enemy of their people and justice demands they strike at their enemies. The men who no doubt volunteered for the mission will be celebrated, because they accomplished a great feat in the war against the enemy of their people.

For their part, the Jews are following the same path. Twitter was full of Jewish commentators demanding vengeance. They were not demanding justice in the way in which modern Western people think of it. Look at how Washington reacted after the 9/11 attacks. The promise was to go after the people responsible. George Bush did not promise to carpet bomb Kabul. Jews around the world and the Jewish government are promising to exact vengeance on the people of Gaza.

The contrasting views on virtue are also obvious on the Jewish side. Diaspora Jews conflate their sense of virtue, which is service to their people, with the Western sense of virtue and demand you give over everything to their fight with one of their ancient enemies in the Levant. A similar mindset drives the neocon demand that the West risk nuclear war in the Ukraine. Note that they speak of Russians as the enemy, not the Russian state or the current form of government.

That last bit is vital to grasping the differences. The sanctions regime was specifically aimed at the Russian people. The hope was that sanctions would collapse the economy and throw the population into starvation. We see the same thing happening with Gaza, as the IDF bombs residential areas. In both cases, the point is to harm the people, holding them responsible, not specifically their leaders. In both cases, it is assumed the leaders are acting in service to their people.

It is tempting to think that modern Western views on virtue and justice are superior to these older forms, but there is much to favor in what we see in the Levant. If the Palestinians adhered to Western views, they would no longer exist as a people, at least not in the Levant. Most would have fled to new lands and lost their identity. The Jewish people would have gone away a long time ago. Their old school views of virtue and justice have allowed them to exist in the most hostile places.

The test of these two outlooks is happening within the West. As non-European people flood into the West, bringing their Bronze Age mindset on virtue and justice, they are challenging Europeans and their universalist and individualist mindset. Will the former naturally give way to the latter or will the latter have to be imposed by force on the former and is this even possible within the framework of the latter? Will Europeans just have to return to their old ways to preserve themselves?


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My Comment #373221 October 11, 2023 7:45 pm 0
What you see in Palestine is old school patriarchal virtue. The West is matriarchal now and women don’t want to accomplish virtuous deeds to be considered virtuous. Thus, the virus signaling about the current thing on social media. In Israel and Palestine leaders have to do more than tweet that they are mad. This is why the cabal of female leftist legislators never need to even vote against the War Machine or the other neocon aspects of the Biden administration. All they need to do is tweet and post to be revolutionaries
Moran ya Simba #373216 October 11, 2023 6:42 pm 0
Great post. Don’t comment much here, or elsewhere, anymore. But still enjoy a good post like today’s. The answer to the last question in the OP is emphatically yes! We need to become tribal and forget abstract “objective” values that are repeatedly weaponized against us. Or we won’t survive. Hope all the regulars here are doing well.
Ploppy #373194 October 11, 2023 3:20 pm 0
Noteworthy here is how a high IQ population can still be utterly incompatible with Western civilization. All of these Jews chirping on twitter have advanced degrees and supposedly have been fully exposed to Western ethical concepts, yet one little bop on the nose and they’re acting, in unison, just as bloodthirsty as the people they’re accusing of being animals and savages.Comparatively here after 9/11 the “let’s nuke them ay-rabs” opinion among the gentile population was generally limited to the truck nutz aficionado crowd. For Europeans low empathy correlates strongly with low IQ, but that doesn’t seem to be the case for everyone else and is likely to be our undoing in the end. The only last laugh we’ll have as whites will be the misery of the brown and yellow swarm of humanity endlessly butchering one another until the resources are all expended and their brutality can only be checked by being limited to sticks and rocks.
Fakeemail #373202 October 11, 2023 4:01 pm 0
Google the midwit meme
Disruptor #373179 October 11, 2023 2:14 pm 0
More and more, the most likely probability is Jews let Happen On Purpose, and perhaps even helped it along. Going back over the years, many will have heard the stories of IDF snipers shooting through the fence to takeout Pali Children who got too close to the fence. And now by surprise a horde rips a hole in the fence. Nah. Netanyahu can’t really even hide his glee. He and they can book a win of many fronts.
Jeffrey Zoar #373184 October 11, 2023 2:29 pm 0
The Iron Dome just happened to be turned off. They expect me to believe that? But we’re at the point where even if the prime minister had sent the entire military on vacation a couple days prior, you’d be labeled a ‘conspiracy theorist’ if you questioned why
Disruptor #373191 October 11, 2023 3:04 pm 0
Congressman Michael McCaul chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee. McCaul asserts: “We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency. “I don’t want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given,” the Texas Republican added. “I think the question was at what level.” Three days would seem to provide the special people sufficient time to turn off the Iron Dome.
Mike #373195 October 11, 2023 3:27 pm 0
Probably the Iron Dome was never that good anyway. It had problems against even the 1st gen stuff Hezbollah was throwing at it and it being overwhelmed was to be expected. But if turned off, then yeah someone let it happen. Cui bono, the hardliners have the most to benefit. They get rid of Gaza and then start on the West Bank and Lebanon. Empires don’t build themselves after all.
george 1 #373208 October 11, 2023 4:38 pm 0
The 101st Airborne Division is being moved from Eastern Europe to Jordan. So I guess Putin’s plan to overrun Poland and the Baltics and wind up drinking Vodka in Paris, as CNN has warned us, were put on hold? Or maybe the HOA reps showed up and told everyone they had to take down their Ukraine decorations as it is now Israel season?
Xman #373211 October 11, 2023 5:06 pm 0
The 101st… somehow that rings a bell. That would be the same unit that was deployed to desegregate Little Rock High School in 1957 with bayonets fixed… right?
Tom K #373217 October 11, 2023 6:48 pm 0
“Fix bayonets!” Since when was that order heard last, oh I don’t know, the 1860s?
john smyth #373243 October 12, 2023 7:11 am 0
there is a picture online from the ’50s, not the 1850s . .. it can be googled
Ostei Kozelskii #373218 October 11, 2023 6:52 pm 0
Ah. The 101st Airborne. That’ll strike fear into the hearts of Hamas. Rainbow parachutes, leather butt chaps, nipple clamps, and dildos instead of sidearms. “YMCA” blasting from the transport planes.
george 1 #373219 October 11, 2023 6:58 pm 0
And don’t forget the Red High Heels!
Intelligent Dasein #373177 October 11, 2023 1:56 pm 0
There really is no such thing as a “tribal” person. There is no such thing as “tribal” justice. The term ‘justice’ does not take a modifier. One can, of course, invent meaningless combinations of words and speak about them, but that does not mean that they refer to anything in the real world.On the subject of “tribal” peoples, the Dissident online community says a lot of nonsense that doesn’t bear up under scrutiny (not even their own scrutiny), but they go on repeating it because it derives from their underlying worldview that they wish not to examine or change. Take, for instance, the oft-asserted claim that white people are “individualist, universalist, and high-trust” while black people are “tribal.”When you further enquire into what is meant by “tribal” here, the answer comes back that black people will always side with their own race and have no regard for those “white, universalist” concepts of right and wrong. After this, the Dissidents split into camps, divided over whether whites should isolate themselves to protect their vulnerable, high-trust societies or should adopt the behavior of the other races so as to defend the white tribe. When an added infatuation with HBD conduces them to the belief that all these behaviors are genetic and basically unalterable, it would seem to leave Dissidents at an impasse.However, the fundamental assumption here is wrong. Are blacks really “tribal”? Do they really side with their own race as a matter of default? Well, no, obviously not. How many blacks are killed by other blacks in the ghetto? Quite a lot. How many blacks are killed by other blacks in Africa. An astonishing number. This idea that black ethics is hardwired to preserve the members of the tribe has no basis in reality.What really happens is that blacksin Americaperceive themselves as a subordinate but free and entitled minority, rather like children. They tend to be somewhat “groupy,” but only in the manner that a bunch of school children playing hooky get groupy when they’re hiding under the bleachers and they hear the principal coming. Then they huddle together and giggle and flatter themselves that they’re really pulling one over on “the man.” If they have the chance to grandstand and defend one of their own in public, knowing that the possibility of reprisal is low and that the psychological rewards are high, of course they’re going to do it; but f you bring some real heat down on them, such that they will suffer personal consequences for goofing off, they are quick to throw each other under the bus as busted children do.The whole idea of black tribalism is really just black people playing the game that our system incentivizes them to play. But who built the system? It certainly wasn’t the black people. It was the white people. And the white people’ system is not “universalist,” it exists mainly so that upper class whites can persecute and exploit the lower class whites, with the black people thrown into the mix as irregulars.If it weren’t for the existence of this system, there would be no black “tribalism,” and the same could be said for all the other tribal minority groups in the West. All people, including whites, will behave this way under certain circumstances. But the Dissident program that exhorts whites to adopt “tribalism” as theself-consciously chosenpolitical platform ignores the fact that no people anywhere have ever done that, and the reason they haven’t done that is because it’s impossible. It simply is not within the purview of politics to do that, because that is disharmonious with the nature of reality and it is not anything truly desired. It equates to no real human good, so no one will ever spend any effort pursuing it. It is pure positivism—a worse example by far than any of the “universalist” ethics the Dissidents claim to oppose.The nearest thing that exists to a deliberately tribal organization would be something like a labor union, where the representatives defend anybody covered by the contract, come what may. But even then it is thecontractthat is defended, not the mere person, so it is not possible to get away from the concept of an impersonal law.
mikew #373182 October 11, 2023 2:19 pm 0
A white OJ doing what he did with a white jury would have been convicted and removed him from society, forever. Tribal blacks chose to ignore the overwhelming evidence in the case because he was being prosecuted by whitey for killing someone out of their tribe. Marcia Clark was an idiot and she seriously thought that the sisterhood trumped race and that black women were going to be sympathetic to and relate to Nicole as a female instead siding with their race.There are numerous lesser known examples of tribal justice. Ethan Limming recently is a good example.The more I type this the more I think that I am stating the obvious. If you don’t know or believe this by now then probably you never will.
Jack Dodson #373186 October 11, 2023 2:47 pm 0
“However, the fundamental assumption here is wrong. Are blacks really “tribal”? Do they really side with their own race as a matter of default? Well, no, obviously not. How many blacks are killed by other blacks in the ghetto?”How many white riots have there been in the aftermath of a black cop shooting a white person fleeing the scene? Not enough, is the glib answer, zero is the correct one.I quit reading at that point and no longer will bother with wasting eyesight even that long. You are a very intelligent guy and also a very disingenuous and intellectually dishonest one. That’s a bad combination.
Ostei Kozelskii #373203 October 11, 2023 4:13 pm 0
“You are a very intelligent guy and also a very disingenuous and intellectually dishonest one.” In other words, a troll. He should go the way of the late and unlamented Luber.
Jack Dodson #373224 October 11, 2023 8:13 pm 0
Missionary, not troll. The other was a troll. Z uses a very light ban hammer and I hope that continues to be the case.
FooBarr #373205 October 11, 2023 4:27 pm 0
If ID had intelligent insights and critiques they would edify and be welcome. At this point all ID posts will be ignored as the probability of a long winded troll by the self anointed punster is too high. “Everyone likes the smell of his own farts.” George Sand
Intelligent Dasein #373210 October 11, 2023 5:05 pm 0
I have to take umbrage with being called disingenuous and dishonest. That is not true. If I said anything not factually accurate, I’m sure you could point it out.My brief here is that fact that the Dissident worldview, as articulated on its better-known blogs, is not reality. It is actually a genuine example of clinical hysteria, i.e. a womanish overreaction to unimportant details that have been imbued with an excess of symbolic weight. The reason is because the whole thing was developed by narrow-minded materialist dweebs who were infatuated with HBD and everything about Dissidentism has been saturated with it ever since. That’s not something that you can build a coherent philosophy out of. The movement would have been much better off if Steve Sailer had never existed.It’s not as if these things are difficult to prove. For instance, the often-made claim that white people are genetically trusting, altruistic, and universalistic in behavior can only be maintained by sweepingly disregarding century after century of bloody internecine warfare in Europe. Machiavelli’s Florence, the Thirty Years’ War, the Napoleonic era—all the work high-trust grillers?Clearly something is very amiss with this worldview, and that something is HBD. In its attempt to sacralize racial differences, the Dissident Right has destroyed intellectual integrity. That’s what needs to stop.
Ploppy #373215 October 11, 2023 6:16 pm 0
The explanation for white altruism was that during the last few centuries white criminals were drawn and quartered for stealing bread, thus producing selection pressure against antisocial behavior. Claiming whites are just like jungle bunnies because the Vikings were all about thug life is ridiculous.
LineInTheSand #373231 October 11, 2023 10:10 pm 0
“In its attempt to sacralize racial differences, the Dissident Right has destroyed intellectual integrity.” ID, do you believe that every IQ test that has ever been developed, even those that use images instead of words, demonstrate that blacks have an IQ that is one SD below whites?
Intelligent Dasein #373235 October 12, 2023 1:33 am 0
LineInTheSand re: IQID, do you believe that every IQ test that has ever been developed, even those that use images instead of words, demonstrate that blacks have an IQ that is one SD below whites?I’ll stipulate to that. I didn’t say that race doesn’t exist, I said that race doesn’t suffice as a national ideal. This is why an explicitly white ethno-state is impossible. However, a predominantly white nation protected byjus sanguinisis entirely possible, but it needs to be founded on something other than mere whiteness.White Nationalists talk as if they could just set up a “voluntary Switzerland ” somewhere and have at it, not realizing that this whole notion is just as fantastical as the project to set up a liberal democracy in Iraq. It doesn’t work that way. Real nations are the products of history, not the conscious creations of ideologues. The one nation on Earth that closely matches what the WNs want to achieve (i.e. Israel) is an unstable mess despite being grafted onto a very ancient people and enjoying the protection of the empire, and no WN state would have even that much.Artificial statelets and imperial dependencies aren’t the answer. The answer is in defeating the oligarchy.
Apex Predator #373209 October 11, 2023 4:52 pm 0
Get out of your Ivory Tower a bit more often Professor. You are not loquacious, not in a good way. Overly wordy, pedantic, and just come off as someone that has never set foot off a college campus and in the real world. Either a neckbeard professor who sequesters on campus or a ‘professional student’. Either way, its a bad look and you just sound smarmy, out of touch, and sheltered. I was going to use the C word but I’ve used it on you once before. I’m feeling magnanimous today so I’ll give you a pass.
Ploppy #373234 October 11, 2023 11:49 pm 0
When I’m reading his writing the voice I’m hearing in my head is an affected one, like children’s cartoon villain plus a nasal drawn out “Nyeh heheeh” element. I can’t explain it any better, just look up any fat guy on youtube talking about dungeons and dragons.
B125 #373167 October 11, 2023 1:21 pm 0
In the past few years in Canada we have had: – Iranian “Women, Life, Freedom” protests– Ukraine protests (no Russian protests allowed)– Sikh / Khalistan protests– Dueling Israeli / Palestinian protests Time to send all these super patriots back to their homelands so they can carry on the good fight where it matters. Of course that will never happen. Our people simply need to rediscover group identity. Treat your own people with those beautiful white values. Treat the rest with indifference because they are not us and will take advantage of our nice values.
Xman #373170 October 11, 2023 1:33 pm 0
The only people who got arrested by your government were the white truckers, though.
Ostei Kozelskii #373187 October 11, 2023 2:50 pm 0
In the West the only people who can protest without fear of government reprisals are Leftists. Simple as that.
Hemid #373192 October 11, 2023 3:05 pm 0
Every “protest” is the government chanting encouragement to itself. If your demonstration isn’t a *punished* crime, you’re a fed—of the soul if not the badge. “Both sides” of Israel/Palestine can march in the West because our governments support them both.
Tom K #373150 October 11, 2023 12:07 pm 0
Even a worm will turn eventually. The frustration of the people inside the “world’s largest concentration camp” eventually broke out and they spent their military capital (what little they had of it) in an act of savage violence against their oppressors. What else could they do? Now the Jews are all outraged against the inevitable consequence of their own barbarity and indifference. You reap what you sow. But the Jews won’t stop. I suspect we’re in for Hollywood to jump into the fray on cue with some “high-production values” atrocity porn if they haven’t already (beheaded babies?)
Bourbon #373157 October 11, 2023 12:42 pm 0
Tom K: “Now the Jews are all outraged against the inevitable consequence of their own barbarity and indifference.”Thinking back on what I used to see of j00ish p0rnography, many many moons ago, rather than barbarity & indifference, I think I would be analyzing it more at outright sadism [plus psychopathy, of course].We misunderestimate j00ish sadism at our peril.They say you get the very best adrenochrome from torturing to death the little virgin shegetz, before you drain him.And that’s certainly how the kosher meat-packing industry operates.Torture the Lamb, in a vat of boiling urine & excrement, for all eternity…
Compsci #373159 October 11, 2023 12:56 pm 0
“I suspect we’re in for Hollywood to jump into the fray on cue with some “high-production values” atrocity porn if they haven’t already (beheaded babies?)”I don’t know the truth of these claims—and neither does anyone else—certainly not the talking heads MSM and their Hebrew accomplices. Slaughtering the innocent is a time honored trigger in the Western world, especially in the Christian Era. What I do know is that such a ploy(?) to ignite disgust, hatred, and retribution has been used quite recently and in the same regional area.Remember the first Gulf War. I do. In that case, we were treated—courtesy of the MSM—to Congressional hearings where a young Kuwaiti girl testified as to witnessing the Iraqi occupation soldiers enter her hospital maternity ward and throw babies (to the floor) from their incubators and then pack up the equipment for shipment back to Iraq.Baby killers all, we were told. Evil incarnate. In the audience was the Kuwait ambassador. Cameras panned to him and his tears and disgust at the gruesome “revelation”, of this innocent girl. The media cried *atrocity*, the public cried “revenge”, and Bush the first cried “this shall not stand”.What was never revealed at that time was that this young girl was the daughter of that Kuwaiti ambassador seen weeping in the audience and further, it was never proven that she had even been in Kuwait during the invasion—having lived with her father in the Washington Kuwaiti embassy during the invasion.As has been said time and again here and touched upon today once more by Z-man—don’t let your virtues be used against you by your enemies. Those who would draw us into war on another’s behalf are doing just that.
Bilejones #373236 October 12, 2023 3:59 am 0
The girl was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. The Stunt was arranged by the NYC P R firm Hill and Knowlton.The head of H&K’s Washington office was Craig Fuller who had been Bush’s Chief of Staff while Bush was Reagan’s VP.A US firm suborned perjury to Congress to involve the country in a foreign war.That was the point at which I recognized that the US was not a serious country.People should have been hanged.
Bilejones #373237 October 12, 2023 4:02 am 0
I would have included these, but fear of the spam filter etc etc. See if it works. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1990/08/03/hill-knowlton-to-acquire-firm-headed-by-craig-fuller/70ff849a-fe75-44ce-9b2d-0a985613b1b1/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
Xman #373171 October 11, 2023 1:37 pm 0
I don’t know if the “beheaded babies” thing is true or not. Maybe it is. But I do know that in 1917, the “Huns” were accused of bayonetting babies, and that was false. In 1991, the Iraqi army was accused of murdering babies in incubators, and that was false. So until I get more information I will remain skeptical that this is war propaganda intended to incite the goyim to support Israel.
Pip McGuigin #373175 October 11, 2023 1:50 pm 0
Your view is ridiculous. The Muzzies are barbaric savages that follow their Koran’s insistence to murder anyone who disagrees with Mohammed, their “prophet who never prophesied”. The earth has no place for such vermin.
Compsci #373181 October 11, 2023 2:17 pm 0
To be skeptical of atrocity claims is not to support “Muzzies”, but rather to support the truth. Those who would lie to you wrt such events are *not* your friend—even though you both seemingly have the same enemy—but rather *your* enemy who wishes to deceive you into rash action which will be ultimately to his, rather than your benefit.I personally don’t want these folk (Muzzies) anywhere near me or living in my country (they have their own), but after a lifetime of seeing “war frenzy” whipped up generate popular support for elitist interests, I’m fairly retrospect when I see a repeat of this tactic.
Tom K #373188 October 11, 2023 2:54 pm 0
Right, “for no reason at all,” lol.
Xman #373197 October 11, 2023 3:34 pm 0
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” 1 Samuel 15:3 The Muzzies aren’t the only “barbaric savages” out there whose religion tells them to kill anyone who disagrees… if you hold that “the earth has no place for such vermin” then you must logically agree that it has no place for a certain Semitic tribe, either.
usNthem #373142 October 11, 2023 11:14 am 0
These days it seems the “highest” form of virtue that matters anymore is kissing black, tranny, jewish, illegal alien and gay ass – furthermore, the greatest exercise of justice is making sure White people get none, regardless of their virtue…
JR Wirth #373138 October 11, 2023 11:07 am 0
The problem with the Middle East is the same reason that southern Italy could never develop no matter how many autostradas were paved and power lines hung. The concept of “il vendetta.” Nothing big can be built without drawing a thick black line and moving forward.Historically the only way this could be done was the total obliteration of your enemy. In Christianity the concept of “forgiveness” is front and center. The fact that the modern Christian since the 2nd “great awakening” has expanded the concept of forgiveness into a pacifist death cult is a Christian problem not a non-Christian one. Even a Buddhist will lay down the law when his community is at stake.The only way to save Christianity is to obliterate it in its current form and have it germinate once again in a pre-great awakening form. Both Jewish and Arab people could only achieve anything while operating within the Christian superstructure of western civilization which is meeting its end. Without it they would only kill each other anyway, because that’s the kind of people they are.
Nick Noltes Mugshot #373158 October 11, 2023 12:46 pm 0
A population with a Bronze Age mindset will eventually end up with Bronze Age living conditions. Things that are not maintained can fall apart surprisingly fast and the West is rapidly losing the human capital capable of keeping the lights on and the toilets flushing. The fact that we even know that anything happened in Israeli is because of technological advances in telecommunications by Western civilization, a civilization which appears to be in terminal decline. We may soon be entering a World without Whiteys creature comforts.
Ploppy #373196 October 11, 2023 3:34 pm 0
I always feel like calling semitic morality “bronze age” is doing the Ancient Egyptians a disservice. They operated with rule of law.
Smudgmeister #373135 October 11, 2023 10:55 am 0
You are completely illiterate about the Germanic world. There’s no question that after a similar attack they would come right in and kill everyone. As would the Romans. Read Fight at Finnsburgh.
thezman #373143 October 11, 2023 11:22 am 0
Did you bother to read the post?
Tars Tarkas #373132 October 11, 2023 10:49 am 0
“The sanctions regime was specifically aimed at the Russian people. The hope was that sanctions would collapse the economy and throw the population into starvation.”The theoretical way sanctions regimes are supposed to work is to punish the population in the target country until they rise of and throw off their leaders who we don’t like. Aside the fact that this almost never works, they will often say this in the same paragraph as they are calling the leader a “brutal dictator.” Civilian uprisings almost always end in lots of dead bodies in the streets. Mao even invited criticism from “the people” and then promptly killed or imprisoned anyone who accepted the invitation.The only places this could theoretically work is in a liberal democracy. But liberal democracies are so drenched in propaganda and lies that the people wouldn’t even know why they were suffering. If they did figure it out, the target leaders would fill their society with propaganda explaining the country targeting them is run by Hitler and that we are the ones upholding freedom while modern-day Hitler wants to enslave them.
ProZNoV #373178 October 11, 2023 2:11 pm 0
“Sanctions don’t work!” Recently listened to a US Naval War college professor address this: Basic argument is that they don’t work in the short term, but over decades they utterly destroy countries that are enemies of the US. Not sure how true that is, but it’s pretty f-ing evil
JerseyJeffersonian #373198 October 11, 2023 3:42 pm 0
But this assumes that the US has a time line extending out to decades. Well, it won’t, not when the Third World is sluicing in in their hot, hungry, and pig ignorant millions. So, no sale, you idiot “professor”.
Jeffrey Zoar #373199 October 11, 2023 3:51 pm 0
Seems like it might have worked in Venezuela and Cuba. Sort of. In Iran, not so much. But in all cases, the regime lives on. Off the top of my head, I’m not coming up with a single case where it has succeeded in toppling a regime. Unless it was some African shithole where they topple every Thursday anyway.
Tars Tarkas #373212 October 11, 2023 5:42 pm 0
When I said it almost always fails, I was thinking of South Africa. It probably wasn’t the only reason, but it was at least part of it.
Jack Dobson #373229 October 11, 2023 8:29 pm 0
We have gotten glimpses of how D.C. works with the massive corruption of the Bidens, and they are not an outlier. Sanction evasion is quite lucrative, too, and at one point the same Special People could get their beaks wet by shrewd investments and insider tips about which companies could profitably evade the same sanctions imposed to protect Our Democracy. The smarter of the two savage Bronze Age Death Cults currently killing babies excelled at sanction evasions, by the way.This may no longer work because the loss of trust is shared by those at the top. Along the lines of today’s topic, in times past the intelligence services would have greenlighted either MI6 or Mossad to do a false flag in the interior of the United States to rile up the rubes. That probably is far harder when (a) people already are furious at D.C. about an open border that in fact could facilitate actual terrorism, (b) a false flag might prompt off-kilter folks to follow suit with real ones, and (c) sketchy minorities are found throughout the apparat–even WASPy former CIA director is reputed to have converted to Islam and might tip off his pals in Tehran.They have sewn the wind…
Krustykurmudgeon #373122 October 11, 2023 10:28 am 0
I always knew he was a kahanist type but it’s good to see guys like Josh hammer drop the facade that he is a foreign policy realist. He had been expressing skepticism towards Ukraine but he seems all in on this conflict. Perhaps he’s a different flavor of neocon. The antijihad/Pamela geller types were one flavor of neocon more concerned with Israel. The kristol/kagan/nuland types were more concerned with eastern Europe.Also, it’s annoying to see rw Jews on Twitter all of a sudden trying out the al and Jesse playbook. If you look at hammers Twitter it’s only slightly different than some black activist calling everyone racist. The only difference is instead of racist he’s saying “Jew hater” or “Nazi”
Evil Sandmich #373145 October 11, 2023 11:40 am 0
It is kind of heartening to see that such tools are not opposed to using extreme violence against a group that needlessly murders and humiliates women, just need them to…bring their focus in a little closer.
FooBarr #373206 October 11, 2023 4:32 pm 0
Didn’t they write the Al and Jesse Playbook?
Tars Tarkas #373120 October 11, 2023 10:25 am 0
“Our sense of virtue in the West is a very republican one in that it is based on your relationship with the social systems, not how you serve your family, your community, or your people.”This is actually an inversion of right and wrong. Think about all the people mobbed and hated because they said the wrong word or words around an African or LGBTQIPA+ person. Everything about them is ignored and they are pilloried and made into a bad example of how evil people live. Think about the “Karen” meme of failing to show enough deference to an African in their presence. Even a Jewish lawyer had his life destroyed and was evicted from his office building for daring to say people in America should speak English.Now, even traditional “justice” takes a back seat to the injustice of republican virtue. They won’t send thieves, druggies, or many violent offenders to prison in the pursuit of social justice. My city has a top prosecutor (Larry Krasner) who believe justice is racism and drops the cases of most arrestees. Now the bail reform movement making its way across America is assuring most criminals are let out of jail immediately after an arrest in the rare instances where the case is not outright dismissed.
pyrrhus #373147 October 11, 2023 11:47 am 0
Attorneys are well aware that breaking the law is not necessarily unjust, and indeed may be the most just thing…There are two categories of laws…malum in se (punishing what’s immoral by societal standards), and malum prohibitum, which is everything else, including millions of regulations…Juries have traditionally recognized that killing can be moral and just in some circumstances, and that goes back to ancient Anglo-Saxon customs and law..Jefferson, Thoreau and others have said that violating an unjust law is not only acceptable, but required….
george 1 #373152 October 11, 2023 12:17 pm 0
Jefferson: “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”
Tars Tarkas #373161 October 11, 2023 1:02 pm 0
The prohibition against mugging old ladies is not an unjust one. These are the kinds of crimes where the law will not be enforced.Much of the lax law enforcement is malicious and selective and based on the race of the victim and perpetrator. The 3 blacks who kidnapped and tortured a retarded White kid and who live-streamed it while in constant state of laughing were handled with kid gloves and given probation. This kind of thing goes on all over the US now.This occurs both in and out of court. Kevin Cooper, who put an axe into 3 children’s heads plus 2 adults gets puff pieces about him in the NYT and mini documentaries about how he dindu nuffin and it was 3 mysterious White guys. Plus hit pieces on White men who are initially determined to have acted in self defense by police like Michael Drejka and the McMichaels in order to get them charged. Then there is the straight up politically motivated malicious prosecution of people like Kyle Rittenhouse.These are all big crimes. But there a ton of lesser crimes that are selectively not enforced which destroys communities and quality of life.
george 1 #373172 October 11, 2023 1:44 pm 0
Yes, and it will get much worse. The thugs must be allowed to beat up old ladies because “equity.”
Compsci #373162 October 11, 2023 1:06 pm 0
Good point Pyrrhus, but don’t forget “mens rea“ which has all but done away with in the above concept of law. In the myriad number of laws and regulations we are subject to, proving a“guilty mind” is just to difficult and bothersome these days for our masters.
Tars Tarkas #373180 October 11, 2023 2:17 pm 0
Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. This can be pretty evil. When I was young, it was not particularly uncommon for a girl to lie about her age. I had a friend who was 17 and dating a 14 year old unknown to him. Even her mother lied to him and said she was 16. Fortunately, nothing came of it, but it could have.
Compsci #373183 October 11, 2023 2:26 pm 0
Yep, such was occurring in my university during the later days of the Feminism scourge. Co-Ed’s could file an “evidence-free” rape accusation to the Dean of Students and instantly you became an “alumni”. If a horny guy “pumped and dumped” a female classmate he was playing with fire if she sought revenge through the administration.
Ostei Kozelskii #373190 October 11, 2023 3:01 pm 0
Hm. This is really quite murky. Southern negroes in the so-called “civil rights movement” violated “unjust” laws as a matter of course. We now see that not only were those laws not unjust, they were necessary for the maintenance of civilization.
Ostei Kozelskii #373189 October 11, 2023 2:58 pm 0
Larry Krasner…with a name like that, he is undoubtedly Thai.
Captain Willard #373110 October 11, 2023 10:08 am 0
The logical endpoint of the “Our Democracy” dialectic in the US can be found in the Iraqi elections.These are really censuses, not elections. The Shiites wave their purple fingers and ululate for the Shiite candidate and the Sunnis scream for their guy. So the balance of power really comes down to how many militia each side can field and how well they manipulate foreign governments and NGOs ($$).Since the writ of the government doesn’t extend outside Baghdad and the influence of foreigners ends at the Green Zone barricade, we are left with tribal mini-states running the show. (Lebanon is the same).This is probably our future.
Jack Dodson #373112 October 11, 2023 10:11 am 0
It increasingly is our present.
joey jünger #373104 October 11, 2023 9:57 am 0
A million years ago Pat Buchanan rightly pointed out that there was a difference between a concentration camp and a deathcamp. A concentration camp was like Andersonville, a place where prisoners were concentrated, with the death (supposedly) stemming from a lack of resources rather than actual intent. The intent of a deathcamp wasn’t the concentration, but the death. The slimeball Bill Kristol used this to claim Buchanan was a “Holocaust denier” (“He said there were no concentration camps!”) and the rest is history.Gaza is five miles wide by twenty-five miles long, with something like two million people living there, one of the highest concentrations of people on Earth. They have a better TFR than the Israelis and about half their population is children. I frankly have no dog in a fight between unibrows and hook noses, but Western morality is very much—as Helen Lovejoy knows—a matter of “thinking of the children!” A few children getting killed by a kid zonked out on psychotropic drugs whose parents didn’t keep the guns locked up is grounds to take away your rights. Cutting off food (and probably water) to about a million little brown kids may or may not backfire, in terms gaining international support. Most Americans are zombies and will think or not think whatever they’re told to think. And while your TV and mailbox will always be bombarded with pictures of starving children, our media is good at hiding this stuff simply by ignoring it. Google “Palestinian Mummy Zoo” and think about how much we would have heard about this if it happened somewhere else, say, South Africa in the 80s.My guess is that what we call the Left has given too much power to brown and black members of their coalition for support for Israel to continue reflexively. People like Ilhan Omar are stupid, but stupid is very much the future in America—even among airline pilots and congress critters. The crafty old neocons are ageing off, and their replacements are as gormless as the younger human capital everywhere else. Black people dislike Jews, remembering their exploitation at their hands in everything from entertainment to the local landlord and pawnshop owner in the ghetto.Again, I don’t care about Israel or Palestine. I care about preserving enough of America so that whatever comes next doesn’t end up being like that. It could happen very fast—i.e. “The Six Days’ War”—with our fate being decided very quickly. I won’t posit a Harold Covington/Turner Diaries scenario, but if we’re not careful, and smart—and tribal—we could end up like the Afrikaners, or the Palestinians. Or those animals in the Palestinian zoo
Captain Willard #373116 October 11, 2023 10:20 am 0
Great stuff Joey.I have told my Jewish friends (some are pretty based actually, or as based as rich Jewish guys can be) that the Liberal Jews have really screwed the pooch pushing for all the “diversity”. My argument to them is that the elite WASPs of yore may have had contempt for them, but the Jews managed to get very rich and were very safe with the WASPs in charge.But because they think they can always improve things, they have displaced the old WASPs with this coalition of anti-White knuckleheads. They wanted to be in charge so they could impose their “virtue” and “justice”. But this coalition actually hates them and all Whites too. They won’t be able to control it, as we now see. They will be dreaming of the good old days of benign contempt and getting black-balled at country clubs. There will be no virtue nor much justice.
fakeemail #373134 October 11, 2023 10:55 am 0
This. American Jews should have been pro Traditional America all along. So what if wasps blackballed them from a country club, they were safe and could prosper and contribute. Wasps created a basically honest and decent society, as far as they go. It was a wasp American Army that fought the Nazis. American Jews are NOT safe with these low IQ POC knuckleheads who lie as a matter of culture and are one chimp-out away from literal throat slitting.Also, there is no reason for Dissident Right to be pro-Palestinian or pro-Hamas. No different than being pro BLM or La Raza or whatever savage group du jour making demands on your money and you life.Not to say you should be pro Israel or Jews, but certainly not pro Palestinian.
Penitent Man #373154 October 11, 2023 12:30 pm 0
Yessir, this.I’m supposed to pick a least odious dog in this fight?Choices… a barbaric foreign underdog whose incompatible culture celebrates the butchering of innocent men women and children… or the other side which has corrupted the morals of my society, is at the forefront of every effort to flood my land with foreigners and actively opposes any of Our Peoples’ efforts to roll back the degeneracy and corruption?A plague on both their houses.Our People: Young male isolation, men killing themselves, women brainwashed into self-loathing and degeneracy, inability to own homes, racial quotas harming employment, local schools fostering deviant life choices. Young men mangled in the Neocon wars abroad.Those are the only dogs I have in the fight anymore. Those are the only things I can put my hand to make a small difference.The world will be the world. Damnation on all the rest. To hell with both these waring desert tribes and whatever the serpents on the Potomac think we “should do about it.”
Compsci #373185 October 11, 2023 2:29 pm 0
“Too bad they both can’t lose”. VP Chaney commenting on the Iraq/Iran war.
Hemid #373156 October 11, 2023 12:39 pm 0
Now that the WASP has fallen, in the Anglosphere distinctions of rank between the Germanic/Anglo/etc. (white) and the Ashkenazi (optionally white) are drawn by Jews. Unlike white Christians, blacks don’t reflexively obey them.No black man who’s not an antisemite even knows what a Jew is. He trusts his predatory eye when picking out homos to sucker-punch, grannies to rob, and politicians to riot against.Netanyahu is wise enough to reject African immigrants because he knows his people can’t rule them. Our local Jews can’t see past their erection at the thought of our extinction—which is also theirs. Their “politics” is autoerotic asphyxiation.
Ostei Kozelskii #373204 October 11, 2023 4:23 pm 0
Quite right. However, so-called negro “Jews” from the Horn of Africa, with the assent of the Israeli government, have been pouring into Israel for quite some time. And–mirabile dictu!–they’re proving to be virulent social pests.
Ostei Kozelskii #373118 October 11, 2023 10:22 am 0
There is no America left to preserve. Our job is to plan its successor, incorporating the lessons learned from America’s failure.
Jeffrey Zoar #373129 October 11, 2023 10:41 am 0
The enduring advantage, maybe the only advantage, that we have over the Afrikaners, and the Palestinians, is that there are just way too many of us. This vexes Them to no end. And this advantage will persist long after we have become a minority/plurality. Moreover, their plates couldn’t keep spinning without us. We can only hope they institute an apartheid.
Tars Tarkas #373136 October 11, 2023 11:03 am 0
I saw a video on Saturday or Sunday that was supposed to be Israelis dumping cement into a well. Given the prevalence of propaganda on the internet, it might be old video or not a well, but it does match the rhetoric which is a total blockade including food, water and medicine. The bloodlust on social media is indicative of the deep seated hatred all sides have.To me, it’s just more proof, as if it were needed, that diversity plus proximity equals war. I just wish the promise of social media, which was that we could see videos of the chaos was real. Any video with anything good in it gets taken down within seconds.
george 1 #373148 October 11, 2023 11:57 am 0
Bibi told the “Gazans” That: “If you are not part of Hamas move.” Where is he proposing they move to? I think I know. To Europe and America.
They Live #373165 October 11, 2023 1:14 pm 0
Germany maybe, Bibi would like to kill them all, but sending them on to Germany/Europe, would be even better
Dutch Boy #373223 October 11, 2023 8:12 pm 0
I don’t care about Israel or Palestine either but I do care that we give a blank check to Israel for whatever they do. We can at least not make things there worse then they would be otherwise. Watching the Congresscritters fall over themselves with slobbering support for Israel is disgusting.
Melissa #373094 October 11, 2023 9:29 am 0
Great post, Z.A friend of mine is a real estate agent in Northern VA. She told me that a few years ago, a dot Indian colleague of hers who shares a large office space was working with a Guatemalan client/home buyer. The Amerindian decided to back out of the home purchase after placing earnest money but he reneged within the time frame and was due his earnest money. The details were explained to him including the fact that there is a process involved. That afternoon, the Amerindian showed up at their office and refused to leave until he received his money. He was furious and law enforcement had to be called. He was certain the Indian guy had stolen his money and he’d never receive it.After the incident, the American/white agents realized how shocked and rattled they had been as opposed to the south Asians , etc in the office who were largely unaffected. It was attributed to America being a ‘land of law and order’. They failed to take it any further to face the real issue. These types of interactions are commonplace in South Asian and Central American countries due to the corruption because of the demographics in those countries. Whites are accustomed to high trust because whites are altruistic and honest.Now we are experiencing a clash of tribes from these low trust, dangerous societies in our own communities.Freedom of association could not be more important for whites.
Ostei Kozelskii #373121 October 11, 2023 10:25 am 0
The ultimate freedom of association is an independent, sovereign ethnostate.
Xman #373091 October 11, 2023 9:19 am 0
“…a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.”Why, you’d almost think President Washington was talking about our relationship with Israel…
Paintersforms #373140 October 11, 2023 11:08 am 0
It makes you wonder, in the face of the present blistering criticism of America as a bunch of Enlightenment hokum. Not that the criticism is without merit, yet clearly there was the idea of America as a new nation that had to be protected and strengthened, as opposed to the largest social experiment yet undertaken. Back and forth for a quarter millennium, or so. I wish we would decide what we are, already!
Dutch Boy #373225 October 11, 2023 8:16 pm 0
It was Great Britain or France in those days. plus ça change….
Augustine #373088 October 11, 2023 9:14 am 0
The clash of these two views of justice in the US (possibly also Europe) implies the extinction of those that continue to hold the Western way of justice in the face of the tribal way. As each member of our tribe is killed or imprisoned by the institutions captured by the enemy, we sit back and rely on that captured system. Adapt or perish as a people.
Jeffrey Zoar #373092 October 11, 2023 9:19 am 0
As I was getting at below, this demand for tribal loyalty is potentially very damaging to a coalition that is built on multiple tribes. A mix of blacks, arabs, shitlib whites, jews, and hispanics does not make for an enduring political union that can stand the test of time.
Dutch Boy #373226 October 11, 2023 8:18 pm 0
It will mean a change of political systems. Liberal democracy is dead, Long Live the King!
c matt #373106 October 11, 2023 10:01 am 0
Well there is a third way – West for me, tribal for thee. That is, internally and amongst our own people, justice is served Western style. Externally towards hostile tribes, we go native.
Ostei Kozelskii #373125 October 11, 2023 10:32 am 0
Ideally, the only hostile tribes will be kept without our borders. Hence, tribalism would apply to foreign policy but not domestic.
WillS #373137 October 11, 2023 11:07 am 0
I think that ship has sailed already.
Ostei Kozelskii #373193 October 11, 2023 3:10 pm 0
No. It will be the future. God willing.
Compsci #373222 October 11, 2023 8:00 pm 0
“ Ideally, the only hostile tribes will be kept without our borders. ” I’m thinking it can be done—and is done in many countries. I note how certain ethnically whole countries on occasion issue VISA’s for residency and nothing else—no right to vote, no path to citizenship, renewal every 6-12 months. In some case even having to go back to home country to reapply. Not quite what you desire, but it can be done.
Ostei Kozelskii #373123 October 11, 2023 10:30 am 0
Quite. In fact, one could easily argue that the trible norms, the laws of the jungle, are being worked against whites who fecklessly attempt to defend themselves with rapidly attenuating universalist systems of virtue and justice. Call it the Boomer Boomerang.
Ostei Kozelskii #373286 October 12, 2023 10:01 am 0
tribal Christ, some of the errors I’m making these days…
G Lordon Giddy #373082 October 11, 2023 8:59 am 0
Parts of the left used to oppose wars, now everyone is eating the freedom fries, completely exterminating the opposing tribe goes back a long way in the Middle East.I do find it interesting as the Z pointed out that the media can come up with all kinds of war porn to feed the masses from the Middle East but very little from the Ukraine.
AntiDem #373079 October 11, 2023 8:56 am 0
Does anybody else miss the Cold War?Say what you will about the times, and about Soviet Communism, but it seemed for forty years as if the world operated under a set of predictable, understandable, relatively civilized rules. Everyone knew where the line was: you stay on your side of the Berlin Wall; we stay on our side. As long as nobody sends their tanks across the border, all of us get to go about our business normally. Khrushchev was blustery, but not a madman (“We will bury you” was actually better translated as “We will outlast you”). Brezhnev just wanted his afternoon tea and to sign off on awarding himself another medal.We didn’t know how good we had it.
thezman #373081 October 11, 2023 8:59 am 0
This is a point Dugin has made often. The collapse of the Soviet Union was not just a catastrophe for Russia, but for the world. I do not agree entirely with this, but in the fullness of time we may look at the end of the Cold War as a catastrophe for the West.
Boris #373083 October 11, 2023 9:08 am 0
Z – the end of the Cold War being a catastrophe is even more pronounced as it can argued that the West LOST the war. The USSR may have collapsed but it’s main export to the world (Communism, Socialism) spread throughout Western Europe and the Anglosphere. The Soviets lost their country but won the world.
Chet Rollins #373086 October 11, 2023 9:11 am 0
Something interesting is how seamlessly a lot of the Soviet-era bureaucrats transitioned to western ways. One can argue they are just chameleons who fit in wherever they are put, or things weren’t really that different.
WhereAreTheVikings #373214 October 11, 2023 6:07 pm 0
The Soviet-era bureaucrats always lived in a prosperous Western bubble within their communist country. Nothing to adjust to.
Jack Dodson #373098 October 11, 2023 9:36 am 0
Agreed and have thought the same a lot over recent years, Boris. The one war the United States could claim as a post-WWII victory also was lost.
Ostei Kozelskii #373128 October 11, 2023 10:40 am 0
What we are experiencing is postmodern facism, not communism. Foucault triumphed where Marx failed.
kerdasi amaq #373173 October 11, 2023 1:49 pm 0
The West lost the Cold War the day that Bill and Hillary Clinton walked into the White House.
Dinodoxy #373244 October 12, 2023 7:54 am 0
Not exactly.Communism is cousin of capitalism. Not some wildly divergent system. Both are children of the liberal-enlightenment paradigm. They just emphasize different aspects of human affairs to liberate. The largest differences between the American and the Russia systems were the result of vastly different cultures and histories. Both could be capitalist or communist and have vastly different ways of living and governments.Beyond that, Schumpeter predicted 70 years ago that capitalism would inevitably transform into socialism as the children of capitalists became soft and took the gains of their ancestors for granted. Which is what we are living through today.
Jack Boniface #373105 October 11, 2023 9:59 am 0
Gorbachev and the others at the top of the Kremlin saw how China transformed its economy by ditching hard-core communism and advancing some freedoms, producing tremendous economic growth and restoring Chinese greatness. They tried to do the same, but it didn’t work the same way. Part of the problem was China followed a gradual approach of first freeing the local economies, especially agriculture, while only gradually freeing large industries, mostly maintaining state control. By contrast, Russia listened to Western economists and imposed “shock therapy,” letting the infamous oligarchs loot heavy industry, especially commodities, until Putin came in and killed, exiled or controlled the oligarchs. And of course, the West lied when it said NATO would not move “one inch to the East.” As recently as Feb. 21, 2022, some Russians still were trusting the West. Now they know better. The Cold War had to end, but the sequel could have been so much better. Despite all that, the odds of Russia surviving until 2123 are better than for America.
Ostei Kozelskii #373127 October 11, 2023 10:38 am 0
We may look at it as an opportunity squandered by triumphalist, vengeful neocons who saw the end of the Cold War not as a telos but as a staging ground to subject the entire planet to liberal democracy under the misbegotten aegis of universalism.
JerseyJeffersonian #373232 October 11, 2023 10:27 pm 0
Not so much liberal democracy, but neoliberalism, aspiring to transcend the nation state. But neoliberalism became neocolonialism, almost inevitably given its foundational beliefs and tenets. So, send in the economic hitmen to preserve the desired end state of master and peon.
JerseyJeffersonian #373233 October 11, 2023 10:29 pm 0
But be sure to emplace a comprador elite to enforce your satrapies.
Dutch Boy #373227 October 11, 2023 8:20 pm 0
It unleashed the unspeakable Neocons!
Junger Generation #373090 October 11, 2023 9:19 am 0
Cliff Robertson in “Three Days of the Condor”:Do you miss that kind of action, sir (WWII)? John Houseman: No, I miss that kind of clarity.” And regarding Z commenting on bombing civilians in wars, that began in WWI.
Fwi #373093 October 11, 2023 9:27 am 0
Max von Sydow. I have never forgotten that scene.
Semi-Hemi #373133 October 11, 2023 10:51 am 0
That scene toward the end in the front yard was one of my favorites.
Mike #373153 October 11, 2023 12:28 pm 0
That whole movie was prescient. I saw it for the first time about 20 years ago when I was still naive. But the 70s libs back then were right about the CIA. Shame they changed.
Valley Lurker #373213 October 11, 2023 5:47 pm 0
Rewatched it two months ago on a whim. Holds up, especially its outlook.
Ostei Kozelskii #373126 October 11, 2023 10:34 am 0
I feel that destruction is more mutually assured in 2023 than it was in 1963.
Wackadoo #373078 October 11, 2023 8:55 am 0
This Israel shyte is an acid test for membership in the dissident right. So much utterly appalling vengeance-seeking on Gaza civilians. The Ace of Spades website is what the ADL would look like if they had nukes. All these guys who pretended to be anti-war, America Firsters–some even opposed to the Ukraine fiasco-now going full asshole neocon for our “greatest ally.” Six gorillian babies have been beheaded! Its fucking disgusting.
Jeffrey Zoar #373085 October 11, 2023 9:10 am 0
I can’t be the only one whose first thought, upon hearing about dead babies, was Kuwaiti hospital incubators.
Wackadoo #373097 October 11, 2023 9:35 am 0
And Germans in WWI playing baby catch with their bayonets.
Eloi #373108 October 11, 2023 10:03 am 0
As opposed to the Haitians during the Haitian Revolution, who actually did just that.
Ostei Kozelskii #373130 October 11, 2023 10:43 am 0
A favorite pastime of the Ottoman Turks as well, peace be upon them…
Mow Knowname #373155 October 11, 2023 12:39 pm 0
Shhh: you’re not supposed to mention the white genocide in Saint-Domingue.Everything has been swell since the French were removed.
Filthie #373107 October 11, 2023 10:03 am 0
Correct.So it goes with all this semitic shite. Any number of Christians are now standing up on their hind feet and proclaiming that jews are God’s chosen people. Hell’s bells – have any of those retards even READ the bible? The old testament is ALL about how God punished those idiots, and how they never learned anything! My personal opinion is that whole mess is up to God to sort out, because if we get involved with them, He will judge us when next he judges them. This kind of crap will drive schisms in all camps – not only the Christians and the Dissidents.In the secular world, I think this is going to be the exit strategy of Globohomo from the Ukraine debacle. “Look, all ye rubes and peons! There is another Current Thing that DEMANDS your full attention!!!” And magically – the Ukes disappear from thought, the Russians, and any number of other monsters the left has created.Contrary to our esteemed blog host, nothing need end badly! All ya need is a big enough diversion – and it’s all good!!!Ima gonna sit this one out in the outhouse and mind my own business. Not like anyone will pay any attention to an old stubfart when they are blithely ignoring the scholars and common sense.
c matt #373109 October 11, 2023 10:08 am 0
have any of those retards even READ the bible? Yes. Unfortunately, it was the Scofield(stein) bible.
Dutch Boy #373228 October 11, 2023 8:24 pm 0
A lot of my father’s family are nice people but also Christian Zionists (aaargh!). They are faithful followers of the Rev. John Hagee. I think of them as Christians united in solidarity with the Scribes and Pharisee.
Jack Dobson #373115 October 11, 2023 10:18 am 0
“In the secular world, I think this is going to be the exit strategy of Globohomo from the Ukraine debacle.” Yep, but remind me–what’s Ukraine?
george 1 #373111 October 11, 2023 10:10 am 0
Remember in the Philippines when they tried to kick the U.S. Military out of the Islands? Well SOB, Al Qaeda showed up out of the blue and took over a whole city. Hate it when that happens. Then of course the U.S. had to stay to “help” the Philippines.Look at this from 30,000 ft and what has happened? Bibi was saved from impeachment at the very least. Maybe worse. The neocons are well on their way to their long standing dream of War with Iran. The U.S. Government has, for the moment at least, distracted the normies from the invasion of our country and all of the other massive insolvable problems created by the government for the past 40 years.Remember too that Hamas fought with ISIS for a time against Assad in Syria. Funny that an organization so against the West often seems to “accidentally” play into the goals of the West does it not?No matter, the idiots will probably fall for it again and be stampeded to war. This time though against Iran, the outcome may not be so predictable. It may turn out to be the biggest military mistake since Hitler invaded Russia.Win lose or draw a campaign against Iran will probably be the Empires’ last hurrah.
Mike #373141 October 11, 2023 11:08 am 0
Bibi probably was a dancing Israeli when this happened because it will keep him in power and out of jail at least for a little while longer. Personal corruption isn’t a big deal when you have a country to save. A pox on all their houses as far as I’m concerned. I still haven’t forgotten that Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to congratulate Biden after the steal. Screw him especially.
george 1 #373146 October 11, 2023 11:40 am 0
Bibi is a true snake. He wreaks of it. One thing is a given. Mossad is many things. Incompetent is not one of them.
Wackadoo #373168 October 11, 2023 1:26 pm 0
I still haven’t forgotten that Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to congratulate Biden after the steal. And after Trump fellated him and Israel for 4 straight years, no less.
george 1 #373174 October 11, 2023 1:49 pm 0
Yes. U.S. Presidents tend to be very cheap whores for Israel don’t they.
KGB #373164 October 11, 2023 1:09 pm 0
AoS has never pretended to be anything other than a pro-Israel front, so they reaction over there isn’t surprising. But there are definitely some green shoots coming up in the normie-verse. Take this video by Salty Cracker, titled “Israel claims Hamas killed and beheaded 40 babies.” Two decades ago, this would have been a rage-filled attack on the Palestinians. A decade ago, the same. A half dozen years ago it probably followed the same script. But in 2023, the video basically makes the point that we can’t believe what we’re told and even if it’s true, as horrible as it would be, it’s not our job to get involved. On top of the matter that the West has been allowing these same sand joggers to flood our countries.Don’t underestimate how much the basic assumptions of normie-cons with regards to race, immigration, and the military have changed in such a short time. There’s still lots of work to be done but there are areas in which to feel encouraged.https://rumble.com/v3oc2uk-israel-claims-hamas-killed-and-beheaded-40-babies.html
Wackadoo #373169 October 11, 2023 1:29 pm 0
I hope you are right, but what is striking me right now is how much they have NOT changed despite 20 years of BS.
Nakba #373220 October 11, 2023 7:25 pm 0
A lot of the commenters and staff there share an affinity with Israel.One member of staff who calls himself Charlie Brown’s Dildo constantly calls for Europe to be exterminated because they’re …socialists. Sure.Last year with the massive increase in heating costs he was salivating at the prospect of millions of Europeans freezing to death. The same person boasts about Judeo Christian virtues.They whine about woke and cancel culture but call for anti-semites to be destroyed physically and/or economically. America is a proposition nation and white identity a betrayal of the shining city.An extremely unpleasant and priggish group.
Jeffrey Zoar #373077 October 11, 2023 8:55 am 0
Being an impartial observer of the fracas in the Levant (that statement alone would get me ostracized as a heretic here in clown world), the main entertainment value for me is seeing the pro-palestinian “left” assailed by the pro-jew “left,” because this time around it probably has far reaching political implications. This time around, the Current Thing demands that you are either pro jew or you are a non person. They don’t have any room left for the pro palestinians. And they are going by the creed that “silence is violence,” which mostly came from the pro Pal/BLM left in the first place.This could be the beginning of a schism on the “left” that not much of anybody saw coming. It ostracizes and banishes not only the Tlaibs and Omars, but also potentially BLM and even The Precious himself. Raising the question of whether or not it was orchestrated with that end in mind. Considering that the HRC wing has never been all that chummy with the Obama wing.
DLS #373087 October 11, 2023 9:13 am 0
In order to have a schism on the Left, the Left would have to have a consistent set of principles. The difference between the pro-palestinians and the pro-jews is more like a ripple when you toss a rock into a pond. Gone in a few seconds.
Jack Dodson #373089 October 11, 2023 9:16 am 0
All this. The political schism is particularly noticeable in the so-called “media.” Intelligence services mouthpiece CNN, littered with even former Mossad spooks, is grilling Freedom Bagels and is all-in on Israel 4-Ever. MSNBC/NBC, the mouthpiece of chi-chi radicalism, is grilling Freedom Kebabs and Stands with Palestine. I haven’t noticed either of their talking heads wearing Palestinian or Israeli flag pins on their lapels just yet, but the day is young. It may seem like hopium but the Coalition of the Fringes indeed is unraveling and erupting into a leftwing civil war. These will continue to happen.We must focus on our people and take advantage of withdrawing from the internecine squabbles among Not Our People, which will become more and more common as the Clown Show implodes. Not our monkeys, not our service, but our opportunity.
3g4me #373114 October 11, 2023 10:18 am 0
Jeffrey Zoar: First thing I noted as I started scanning headlines this morning. The hedge fund managers and Wall Street bigwigs are all proclaiming a “no hire” policy for the various Ivy League student associations who sided with the Palestinians. And a sexually-confused BLM student leader had a job offer rescinded. Meanwhile, the subcons are furiously trying to distance themselves from the blaqs and Arabs. Everyone is busy scrubbing internet and social media pages. Because everyone knows that if it’s not online it doesn’t exist. Besides, they’ve been toppling statues and remaking movies and rewriting books for years now. Surely there’s no one left who ‘matters’ who remembers that boring old stuff.I find it absolutely hilarious. The Jews have been funding every anti-White group and agitating for the destruction of heritage America for decades. Suddenly their foot soldiers have all turned on them! And it never occurred to the blaqs that they wouldn’t be hired as chief diversity officer, because they are innately convinced of their own brilliance. Hey, what ever happened to the ‘arc of history’ eternally bending their way?The funniest bit is the subcons scrambling to disavow their earlier support for the other parts of the anti-White coalition. They’ve suddenly realized that while Jews may pass as White when it suits them, they remain as tribal as any other on the left and that trying to play by anti-White rules in a tribal feud means the subcons lose. They are working hard to challenge Jewish primacy in both economic and political arenas but they aren’t there yet, and fear they’ve showed their hand too soon.It’s a game of anti-White musical chairs where the participants are suddenly finding the rules changed mid-game. Jewish or White? Both? Neither? Everyone is scrambling for a seat. I hope they all fall on their anti-White azzez.
Jack Dodson #373119 October 11, 2023 10:23 am 0
“I find it absolutely hilarious. The Jews have been funding every anti-White group and agitating for the destruction of heritage America for decades. Suddenly their foot soldiers have all turned on them! And it never occurred to the blaqs that they wouldn’t be hired as chief diversity officer, because they are innately convinced of their own brilliance. Hey, what ever happened to the ‘arc of history’ eternally bending their way?”The drain arcs downwards. It is delicious! Our people need to keep sorting and removing themselves from the circus. The Tribe also has been blocked from the Sino exit ramp. What to do?
Penitent Man #373160 October 11, 2023 1:01 pm 0
JD, yessir.AND we move to help Our People while the desert people rage against each other. So many of Our People need help and guidance. It can be as tremendous as financially helping a young white family improve their condition or as easy as helping mentor Our youth in an activity.The “Sorting” is good, AND we can do more than be passive observers to the latest shitshow.This isn’t directed at you Sir… you just got me thinking about how fed up I am with Our People being distracted by the “latest thing” as much as the Left. The Progs march in lockstep and change their profile image and we dutifully educate ourselves on every aspect of their latest craziness so we can better mock them and make logical arguments to them that they’ll never read.It’s a waste of time unless you are using it to educate yourself for better action in this fight for Our People. There are a million ways to be an active part. It doesn’t have to consume your life but it’s a far better use of our limited time here than figuring out which tribe that hates us we should side with.
FooBarr #373207 October 11, 2023 4:36 pm 0
Make this man a General and may he back it up with deeds!
reader #373124 October 11, 2023 10:32 am 0
The orc of history keeps rhyming.
Tired Citizen #373144 October 11, 2023 11:25 am 0
Good post 3g. I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the “poor juice”. I’ll sit back and eat my popcorn as the jew foot soldier pets turn on their masters.
ThankUSar #373163 October 11, 2023 1:09 pm 0
Have been wondering myself, why this Get Gaza stuff was catching with subcons this week. I’m from Socal and not a subcon but have noted once or twice their sensitivity to what is “low class” or not (and obviously, the slice of subcons over here is none too representative of the race generally). Pondered it earlier with the NYer mag expose of that Daily Show/Netflix comedical gentleman who is basically a woke opportunist, it turns out.With occasional interesting exceptions, they don’t typically buy the “solidarity” hype and instead to deploy it as part of a minmax strategy. A Muslim subcon rich kid wrote BLM x100 on his Stanford app, got accepted, though ultimately went to Halloween Costume U in Connecticut instead — now seems like quaint stuff from Victorian times, frankly.
Ostei Kozelskii #373131 October 11, 2023 10:46 am 0
Good point, Zoar. However, in any conflict between the Jews and the PoC, it will be a mighty close-run thing. A Jewish triumph is not a slam dunk here.
Arshad Ali #373076 October 11, 2023 8:48 am 0
A complex and thought-provoking post today. Let’s try to parse some of it.“Hamas committed an atrocity against the Jews because their justice demanded it.”Their survival, not their justice. The Israelis want to exterminate them, do away with them as a house owner wants to do with rats in his abode. For the Israelis the Palestinians are untermensch. Israeli policy is slow suffocation, slow but sure extermination. In this they’re backed by US and European connivance and at times complicity. A nod and a wink, accompanied by some hypocritical words about peace settlement. By the same people who’ve been berating the poor Germans for the last eighty years. The Israelis are perpetrating the same crimes that some Nazis got the noose for at Nuremberg. The Hamas attack is one of defiance. A quick death rather than a slow one. They have to know they cannot prevail against the Israeli military machine. They have to have known from past experience that the Israeli response would be out of all proportion to their own attack.What Hamas attack also does is to highlight Western hypocrisy (as if it were needed). Yes, a lot of talk about virtue and justice. But the talk doesn’t translate into action when the chips are down. Every US politician — with perhaps two or three exceptions — is owned by AIPAC, the “Israel Lobby” as Walt and Mearsheimer name them. That includes not just the usual suspects but people like Trump, Robert Kennedy, Jr., and Ramaswamy. Their pricks are in Israel’s back pocket.At the moment the situation is that if Israel were to unleash a nuclear device in the occupied territories, the West would at most comment that “it was regrettable and unlikely to be conducive to establishing lasting peace.” The Israelis have carte blanche from the collective West,What’s happening in the Middle East is a race war pure and simple.
Not My People #373102 October 11, 2023 9:50 am 0
The Irony–it burns.The Jews were driven out of the Pale of Settlement in Ukraine, then landed in Israel, and America, and prospered mightily while still holding fast to their ancient tenets. Now the worm has turned and they are repeating history trying to drive out Arabs.The question is, why do the Palestinian Arabs cling so stubbornly to their slivers of territory, when conceivably they must be as intelligent as the Jews, yet refuse to depart and prosper elsewhere taking their ancient tenets with them?And as an aside, once the dust has settled, will the same ME countries that provided training and intel to Hamas now welcome the departing Palestinians into their own countries with free land and housing, and if not, why not–they are all one people under Allah aren’t they?
Arshad Ali #373151 October 11, 2023 12:13 pm 0
To me the situation is reminiscent — in a macabre way — to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I suppose it’s a thought crime to even equate the two. That uprising also was doomed to failure.The Palestinians are no match for the Ashkenazi Jews in intelligence. The one thing I cannot say is that the Ashkenazis are stupid.For the Palestinians I suppose the question is that even if they could depart, why should they? It’s a matter of principle. Why should they be ousted from their homeland? The Jews have operated like the camel that pokes his cold nose into a tent and eventually takes over all of it.The relationship of Israel to the West is an interesting one, replete with ambiguity. The raison d’etre for Israel is as a homeland for Jews persecuted by Europeans. Yet they consider themselves attached by an umbilical cord to that very West. Maxime Rodinson — a French Jew — put it well when he described the Jewish settlers in Palestine as the lowest strata of European society — yet still belonging to that alien world (from his book, “Israel and the Arabs”). The cosmopolitan Jew — as homeless in the Middle East as he was in Europe.
Paintersforms #373075 October 11, 2023 8:46 am 0
It’s the fact that it’s not our business to be involved in that bothers me. Further, if Israel makes good on their threats and Americans cheer it, idk. The plague years took enough of a toll on me. After a point, it’s not worth defending one’s own.
c matt #373103 October 11, 2023 9:52 am 0
It is always worth defending one’s own. The trick is figuring out who is one’s own.
Paintersforms #373176 October 11, 2023 1:51 pm 0
If you have to figure it out, you might ask yourself who you are, first 😃
Interested Readee #373074 October 11, 2023 8:46 am 0
Speaking of Bronze Age Mindset at the end of this article, I would love a Z man review of BAM by BAP. I’m a big fan and I know a lot of my friends are as well. He seems pretty popular in the younger right wing sphere, and has minimal overlap with the fuentes groupies. Has the Zman written about BAP at all before?
thezman #373080 October 11, 2023 8:57 am 0
I used to interact with him on Twitter back in the old days, but then I was banned for a long time. I tried listening to his podcast, but the Borat accent was too much for me. I have not read his book.
Hemid #373166 October 11, 2023 1:19 pm 0
It’s in-character comic philosophy layered over some traditional observations and advice you’re old enough to know (or reject) already. You’d probably be extremely annoyed by it. Back in our day “pomo” fiction gradually developed a self-parodizing Nietzschean authorial voice—Mark Leyner perfected it—because that voice lets you say *anything*, fully sincerely and ironically at the same time. It’s like that but not finely crafted.
someone #373200 October 11, 2023 4:00 pm 0
His ‘cave man’ act is just an act. You either get the humor or you don’t. He’s actually one of the smartest people on the right. His judgment in political matters is nearly perfect.Here’s an article where he lets the act drop somewhat. It’s about Ukraine but it could be about this new war as well:https://theamericansun.com/2022/07/29/bap-on-the-abuse-of-war/His PhD dissertation in political science from Yale is also good. You can get it on Amazon. Review that one instead. Search for ‘Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy’. Too radical for most people but a very insightful book.People who think this guy is some kind of kosher psy-op are so delusional they’re not worth talking to. In fact it’s a good litmus test for spotting dumb people with poor judgement like Fuentes and his people.
RealityRules #373096 October 11, 2023 9:32 am 0
My $.02: That book has some interesting points to make about a mindset that is to be inculcated and explored. However, BAP has been identified and it looks like he is a subversive. Another usual suspect. He promotes and Andrew Tate type of philandery, degenerate lifestyle and has some very suspect mentors.Many on the DR who expressed caution about him and now they are looking prudent for doing so. If you want to follow our guys, follow:Tom Rowsell of Survive the JiveDries van Langenhove:(https://odysee.com/@Guben14:0/Dries-van-Langenhove-Speech-at-the-March-against-Marrakesh–English-Subtitles-:8https://odysee.com/@BelgianCongo:3/Dries-Van-Langenhove-restores-Congo-monument-dedicated-to-1894-war-against-Arab-Slavers:2The DistributistThe PrudentialistGeorge BagbyAuron MacIntyreJust to name a few. There are also significant IRL movements around these folks that promote constructive action and fellowship. Things like the Beowulf Foundation and more. Another nice thing about them is that they are younger than the more longstanding organizations. They also are wise in how they present.
c matt #373101 October 11, 2023 9:50 am 0
I mean, it’s right there in the name: Bronze Age Pervert. I guess he was not being ironic about being part of the Kosher Nostra. Some of his stuff is humorous, and it seemed he had some good ideas. Lifting weights is never bad.
Marko #373117 October 11, 2023 10:20 am 0
His book was okay. The only memorable passage for me is the one where he compares someone like Mitt Romney to an ancient alpha male. It’s a good thing to keep in mind, how effete and emasculated even our most “alpha” world rulers are. (For example, a typical Greek archon had seen more death, or slain more people, or had more wives and concubines, than even a modern Israeli ruler.)
LineInTheSand #373230 October 11, 2023 9:24 pm 0
For what it’s worth, the TRS guys say that BAP has admitted that he is chosen. I don’t trust the TRS guys not to exaggerate and because I’ve never found BAP compelling, I don’t care enough to check myself. If BAP has the lineage that they claim, then this fact is significant because of the deep tribal loyalty that almost all of them feel. If the claim is true, you cannot read BAP as a disinterested commenter about the conflict in the Levant.
Chet Rollins #373071 October 11, 2023 8:31 am 0
The book “Human Smoke” goes into great detail the effort the British put into starving and bombing civilian populations during WWII. It also goes into the massive propaganda campaign directed at the civilian population, including incarcerating a massive number of British citizens with no due process.On the U.S. side, you have Sherman terrorizing the South in the civil war and the ruthless elimination of the natives in the 1800’s.Whether you believe such tactics were necessary is beside the point. It shows that western ideas of justice and virtue can only rally exist in a peaceful time among a relatively peaceful people. People in the Middle East have never had either, which is why they are so comfortable with their more ancient versions of Justice. Deep inside, when push comes to shove, most everyone is Bronze Age.
Cymry Dragon #373072 October 11, 2023 8:39 am 0
There is something elegant and sort of satisfying in the thought of two chosen champions, or better yet, their leaders fighting it out man to man to determine which side wins a war. If wars necessitated that the President and Congress move their offices to within 10 miles of the battle front, we would soon find the cries for war and retribution muted. Even better, if we help Israel, all troops we send must be Jewish.
c matt #373100 October 11, 2023 9:44 am 0
All three of them ?!?
p #373139 October 11, 2023 11:07 am 0
I am reminded of the old music video “When 2 tribes go to war” that shows a Brezhnev-looking leader and a Bidenish looking leader pummeling each other…
thezman #373073 October 11, 2023 8:41 am 0
To add to your point, note the great effort to whitewash allied atrocities in WW2 or the desire of abolitionist to genocide the white population in the South. This is done because this behavior falls outside modern concepts of virtue and justice.
Jack Dodson #373095 October 11, 2023 9:30 am 0
I recently have seen high-lighted for the first-time reprinted stories/quotes about the Puritan intent to genocide Southerners along with reproduced photographs of how brutal and menacing the federal troops were during the Civil Rights era. Both are meant as warnings/terrorism and are the product of Semitic and Semitic-influenced mindsets. You once had to dig to find these stories and pictures, and I had forgotten how genocidal the language was toward even children.
Herrman #373099 October 11, 2023 9:41 am 0
When push comes to shove, any country with a few nukes and the ability to deploy them would use them before defeat. That is a universal given, and mostly a universal deterrent to would be attackers.The logical conclusion from this is any country that hopes to avoid military conquest should be seeking nukes with all their power. It would probably be a more peaceful world if everybody had them instead of just a few, with the no doubt occasional localized exchange between the inevitable nuts of course.The problem soon however is the potential for biological warfare the likes of which have never been known and is quickly becoming accessible to those very same nuts. It is entirely conceivable that some small time player unleashes an attack with a 90% kill rate. It’s good night Irene at that point. Bronze age will look like the good old days.
AnonVFDG #373149 October 11, 2023 12:04 pm 0
>t shows that western ideas of justice and virtue can only rally exist in a peaceful time among a relatively peaceful people. I might claim the opposite. The modern/Western ‘total war’ seems to demand “unconditional surrender” of the enemy. That goal, in turn, requires defeating the enemy’s will-to-fight, which in turn, justifies the slaughter of their women and children. Put differently, the old “private wars” between monarchs arguably produced more humane results.
RealityRules #373070 October 11, 2023 8:30 am 0
This is anti-wokeism and conservatism over at Triggernometry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbfskBJDIVI Note the framing as nefarious actors. Tom Rowsell at Survive the Jive has the best and appropriate rebuttals. We are surrounded on all sides. Sorry for the off topic comment. Great post today. On positive identity, Rowsell’s channel is a must. He is still on YT for now. He was denied entry the the US recently. Please share with your friends and family.


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