Z-man — loved this podcast and appreciate your understanding of the Bible. We camp on the same side of the “great divide.” My goal is to reach the Church — I hammer at it regularly and it has resulted (of course) in a bit of trouble for me as I dare to write of Judaism unfavorably. Other Christians (tribaltheocrat.com comes to mind and cambriawillnotyield.com) are also working this issue. Europeans used to be proud and Christian. Now they are ashamed (most of them) and secular. The Church has become Judaized — they have adopted “precepts and traditions” from the New Pharisees that are not Biblically justified. Quick example: The children of Canaan were cursed by God’s prophet (Noah) to be slaves to the sons of Shem and Japeth (father of the Europeans). This should not be a problem to the Christian. Anyway, I enjoy your shows.

I don’t know about the bible, but there’s definitely a higher being who created the universe. The probability of everything coming about by accident with no force behind it, I just find quite ridiculous and improbable.

I think wokeism is about denial. Z’s references to responsibility are on target. Z didn’t say it but was buzzing around like a moth: Meaning is only available to the responsible.An irresponsible person has a meaningless life. This is key; Leftism is about irresponsibility. That’s the only feature. All of the shrieking and yelling is about denying that they are useless. Their lives are meaningless.This is such an Achilles’ Heel for them. I think most people have things they are not proud of and are slow to point out the low character of others.This is where we go wrong, and why we lose decade after decade. A generally responsible person will screw up every week on some level, and try to get better a little at a time, over time.A leftist has abdicated. They are dead inside. There is no redemption. And the rationalistic nature of their psychology makes invisible any and all avenues of escape. I hope that last line provokes some inquiry. It’s hard to grasp, took me months. See Steven Hicks book Explaining Postmodernism.Z talked about not being able to reason with enemy. This is why.The only thing they want is revenge. All of their policies work perfectly. They ruin everything they touch.Every interaction with a lefty should include a poke at their shame. Some reference to their irresponsibility. You may have to be careful if they are violent. I suggest instead of picking fights directly, that we advertise that the only reason to be a lefty is because you are lazy. It’s the nub of the whole damned thing.And they already know it.

I don’t claim to be an expert on US churches, but my experience has been that Christian people on the whole are more inclined to be ‘woke’ on the subject of race, than to be race-realists. I’m sure there are churches which openly affirm race-realism, but I’ve never encountered one.Certainly the mainstream denominations are more and more embracing radical egalitarian race-denialism. Along with the Southern Baptists and Episcopalians, we can add Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Methodists, to the list of churches embracing ‘woke’ progressive egalitarianism.IIRC, in the days preceding and following the War of Northern Aggression, many Christian denominations split on the question of race. Not just regarding the narrow issue of slavery, but on the broader question of what is the right way of understanding and relating to Africans in America. And it seems that today, often both branches of these denominations have come to embrace a woke view of race that denies the reality of inherent racial differences.It certainly seems to be the case today, as Z-man pointed out, that many Christian denominations make the fatal error of moving from ‘equal in the eyes of God’, to ‘equal in all ways’. Of interpreting the command to ‘love your neighbor’ as precluding the possibility of noticing the very real differences between you and him; and between the various human groups. ‘Loving your neighbor’ becomes ‘Pretending your neighbor is just like you’. And if you resist that pretense, then you’re condemned as a “racist”, lacking in Christian love.I’m more and more seeing how dangerous ‘ideals’ are. Our beliefs should arise from experience, not from an ideology we’ve inherited because everyone we know believes it, or because it sounds good, or makes us feel good to believe it.Holding to an ideal conception of the world— one which you haven’t gained from experience, but have inherited as part of a belief system— is a recipe for believing foolish things.My goal is to believe only what’s true, and to be able to explain why I believe what I believe; to provide the evidence which led me to hold those beliefs, as opposed to others.And to hold my beliefs lightly enough, that were I presented with compelling evidence that they’re wrong, I could amend them accordingly, without feeling myself diminished in the process. To not make the mistake of identifying so strongly with my beliefs, that my mind is no longer open to other possibilities.That seems to be one thing which separates religious beliefs from other types of belief: most religious believers seem to have made a huge emotional investment in what they believe being true; such that when you question their beliefs, they feel it as an attack on themselves.And don’t the woke progressive egalitarians react to a questioning of their beliefs in the same way: by becoming emotional, and condemning the skeptic as a bad person?Wokeness is a religion; not that different in many ways from other religions. The flaws and weaknesses which characterize one, characterize them all: they all believe what they believe— not because it’s demonstrably true— but for other reasons. They’ve chosen to believe what they believe not because of the facts, but despite them.So in that sense, religious believers are in the same camp as progressives; they appear to be on our side, but for reasons that we ultimately must disavow..

The LDS (mormon) church has always been attractive to me. They develop a very strong sense of group identity and build community within the community at large. They tick all the right boxes as far as outcomes (protestant work ethic, traditional values, large families, non support of sexual deviancy, prepper self sufficient mentality). My kids always had a few of them as friends and they were the nicest kids I know, from the nicest families at school. If you have LDS as neighbors its a good thing. If anything they are a the best American grown version of protestant Christianity. But the cosmology is so weird, I just can’t do it.

Christianity exists because it works. It’s good for the people that adopt its precepts and actively practice its traditions, prescriptions, and proscriptions. It helps its people to survive and thrive in the part of the world in which they live. That is why Christianity has persisted for over two millennia now in Western civilization. And that is a good thing.Now open your eyes to the rest of the planet. Islam works in the environment of the Middle East. Buddhism has persisted in South Asia for more than 2,500 years. Ditto for other peoples in other places. When viewed at the practice of ancient wisdom hard-earned in a given locale, the various religions make sense. And this is why it’s stupid to force Religion A on People B.

Wherever you fall on the religious/not-religious spectrum, one thing is true: fighting over religion and demanding adherence to your viewpoint is counter-productive to the greater cause. I am not a Christian any longer but even when I was, I would rather have lived in a country full of White pagans than in a nation of Christian mestizos and Africans.

Z claims that Christianity requires an orderly universe. The whole basis of the divinity of Jesus Christ is His miracles, which are by definition, violations of the order of the universe. Take away Jesus’ miracles and he’s just one of many subversive j3ws. I support Z in his role as camp counselor, but his assumption is obviously wrong. The entire foundation of Christianity is the violation of the orderly universe.

Great podcast this week. While I don’t agree with some of you analysis, I appreciate how it was done in a respectful manner. I do agree that we need to work together against a common foe. As well, we can find enough understanding to coexist. The problem though is highlighted by a few commenters here who can’t seem to do more than trash Christianity.

An informative, persuasive— and VERY politically-incorrect— interpretation of the facts of human evolution: https://www.unz.com/text/ErectusWalks/index.html

And evolution provides a cogent and sufficient explanation for the human biodiversity we observe: when the various human groups spread around the Earth, inhabiting various differing environments, geographically and genetically isolated from other groups, they adapted to them in different ways.The challenge of adapting to new environments was what drove improvements in human capability and intelligence. The two ice ages that covered Northern Europe with glaciers, and drove the people living there to the south, amplified the challenges: only the capable survived.While those remaining in Africa— where the ice ages had little effect, and the environment was largely unchanging— faced no such challenges. And thus never evolved to the extent that other human groups did; a result which is clearly obvious today in the difference between sub-Saharan Africans and the rest of the world.Given the widely-varying conditions under which the various human groups evolved, it would be astonishing if they weren’t different.And there’s no reason to imagine that the dramatic ‘outer’ differences in appearance, which distinguish a Swede from a Somali, are not accompanied by equally-dramatic ‘inner’ differences, of intelligence and temperament. Clearly they are.But the idealistic woke egalitarianism prevalent today forbids anyone— scientist or citizen— from noticing or pointing out these things. And creates an ongoing pressure between what the findings of science are every day demonstrating to be true— about the genetic foundation of all human traits, and the variability of their distribution— and what we’re ‘supposed’ to believe about everybody being equally gifted..

It seems to me that the proper question to ask about Christianity is: ’Is it true? What’s the evidence that it’s true?’I spent over a decade studying the Bible and trying to be a Christian. And I eventually came to the conclusion that Christianity simply isn’t true: that the world as I know it, is not the world described in the Bible.I’m not denying the existence of a Higher Power; just testifying that my experience has been that ‘the God of the Bible’ doesn’t exist.Starting with the stories in the Old Testament: which present themselves in the text as accurate historical accounts— the Hebrews spending 400 years as slaves in Egypt; Joseph rising to second-in-command, just under Pharaoh, and saving the entire country from famine; millions of Hebrews (600,000 men, plus women and children, according to the Bible) escaping, pursued by the Pharaoh and his entire army; the Red Sea parting for the Hebrews, then crashing down to drown the Egyptians; the Hebrews wandering around a relatively-small area of desert for 40 years; then crossing the Jordan and conquering the ‘promised land’, burning several cities in the process— what’s the probability that these things could have happened, yet left no trace on the archaeological and historical record?Because that’s the truth of it….The first generation of mideast archaeologists were called ‘Biblical archaeologists’, because they were acting on the expectation that these OT stories were true; they arrived in the ‘holy land’ with Bibles in hand, expecting great finds. An entire army, with armor and swords, chariots with iron-bound wheels, drowned in the Red Sea… surely some trace would remain! Likewise all those burned cities: that doesn’t happen without leaving evidence.But no: there’s no record of Joseph ruling in Egypt and saving the country from famine, at a time when such things were memorialized by monuments and enscriptions in stone; and none of the contemporary historians writing at the time thought to make mention of it…No trace of that drowned Egyptian army….No trace of those millions of Hebrews wandering for 40 years in the desert…No trace of those cities they supposedly conquered and burned….Likewise concerning Solomon, according to the Bible the wisest man in the ancient world, word of whose wisdom spread far and wide, even attracting the Queen of Sheba to pay him a visit… not a word about him in the historical record. How could that be?What are the chances that these things would have happened, yet none of them left a trace?The only possible answer, for any honest person, is that they didn’t happen. The OT stories were made up; and the claims within the text itself that they actually happened are fabulous.Not to mention the story of the Sun standing still in the sky, for hours; which we know today could only be accomplished by the Earth ceasing to rotate. Really?And similar questions can be asked about the events depicted in the New Testament: where’s the evidence that Jesus performed miracles, walked on the water, and rose from the dead? Things which no one has seen before or since.As Carl Sagan pointed out, the more unlikely the claim, the stronger the corroborating evidence needs to be in order to validate it.Where is the corroborating evidence for the NT stories? Short answer: there isn’t any.There isn’t any mention of Christianity in the historical record until around 120 AD. Scholars agree that the quote by Josephus is a later addition by Christian apologists, and not something Josephus wrote.How could that be, if the NT accounts are accurate? How could the 40 contemporary historians writing at the time miss all that hubbub?The most plausible answer is, that— like with the stories in the OT— they didn’t actually happen. They were made up later. And like the OT stories, believers took them as fact.Why then does Christianity continue to spread? Why do people continue to believe? Because on the level of behavior, Christianity contains a lot of practical truth: if you go around trying to love your fellow humans, and act charitably towards them, your life will go well. Which will seem to be validating the narrative behind your beliefs.And it feels good to be a believer, it’s emotionally satisfying. To imagine that the Universe is ruled by a loving Father God who knows you intimately, loves you, and looks out for you— that feels good.Clearly, our brains evolved to seek and discover patterns in the world around us: the caveman who realized that the sabre-tooth tiger comes to the stream at a certain time each day, would survive to reproduce more than his fellows who failed to notice that pattern. So our brains evolved to look for patterns in the world around us.And back before there was any actual data about the world, our pattern-seeking human brains constructed narratives out of the blue to explain things: religions. Christianity might be a more sophisticated superstition than the African animist worshipping the python; but aside from that, they’re no different. They both believe in stories which are not in fact true.But we no longer need Iron-age myths to explain who we are, where we came from, and how we got here. We now have the demonstrable findings of evolutionary science to tell us that.Evolution is a fact: the ‘bone trail’— from Australopithecus, the last upright ape, to Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, Homo sapiens (archaic man), and Homo sapiens sapiens (modern man)— is there to be seen. And genetics provides further corroboration of the chronology of changes in our ancestors, leading to us.How evolution happened— what propelled the process— is another matter. Why, of all the animal species, were we humans the only ones to evolve to the point where they developed self-consciousness and culture? What was it that caused our brains to undergo periodic growth spurts? That’s where there’s room for a Higher Power, if that’s where your intuition and experience lead you.But only a person ignorant of the facts— and emotionally wedded to a particular belief system— could deny the reality of human evolution. Or choose to accept “on faith” beliefs for which there’s insufficient corroborating evidence..

Where the soap guys go?

I haven’t been a believer since I was 21. I now front agnostic. I want to walk into God’s office and ask him that question heard in factories and offices throughout the world. “So Jesus, what exactly do you DO all day?” In the office I worked at down South, the head structural engineer was an old black guy. He was barely competent but spoke with a know-it-all haughtiness. If you walked past his glass office at the right angle you could see him playing solitaire on his computer most of the time. He and his office smelled like gin. All while the factory nextdoor that he was supposed to help maintain was falling apart. Anyway, whenever I think of God I think of that old boozy black man.

The secular dissedents can learn from church structure. Leftist have a well established highly effective playbook. This playbook has subverted nations with ease. Christianity offers the only alternative. Charity, Christian education colleges etc. . Opportunities to draw normal people into the movement will continue to increase as things fall apart. But these structures have to be built.Christianity offers a code of conduct. The Christian code of conduct works for building civilizations. Lastly, Christianity appeals to women more then race stuff does. It encourages them to have children and take care of their community. I have seen the term “Christian nationalism” pop up in MSM. This is a precursor of what is to come and also an indicator of what the enemy fears.

Christianity has to evolve past being the handbook for codependency to be relevant to emerging generations. Real Christianity resonates with empowerment, the holy spirit a tangible reality in all life forms.

“THERE has never been and never can be or will be a general Christian religion professed by men who all accept some central important doctrines, while agreeing to differ about others. There has always been, from the beginning, and always will be, the Church, and sundry heresies either doomed to decay, or like Mohammedism, to grow into a separate religion. Of a common Christianity there has never been and never can be a definition, for it has never existed.”— Hilaire Belloc, The Great Heresies

Chauvin is fucked with that Jury.4 Black males, 1 white guy, bunch of white wahmen and a nurse. OTOH the case is extremely weak. But Chauvin is probably fucked.

Also one area I disagree with Christians about is abortion. I have never seen the problem with an early trimester abortion. It’s a small 3cm blob.Of course the cultural attitudes around abortion are grotesque. It’s obviously not empowering, nor should it be normalized. In a sane more conservative society it might be comparably rare. Sometimes it is the better option for a couple though.There is also the demographic reality of abortion that I’m sure I don’t need to mention any further. It really is eugenics. Christians have wasted so much time arguing about abortion when porn, homosexuality, promiscuity, trannies, etc. are all much more harmful to society. Imagine if the anti abortion zealotry was channeled into anti porn.I always suspected that Christians were “allowed” by tptb to fight abortion because even if they end up winning, it just means more Bodies of Colour (aka ruling class lackeys) and destruction of white communities.

I have to disagree that the left turned on Christianity for being an alternative source of authority that conflicted with their ideas. The old progressives were rabid Puritans precisely because of the ability of Protestantism to interpret the bible into saying whatever it is you want it to say. That’s how you have Republicans now who think the highest expression of their religious piety is to buy an African orphan to keep as a pet.The Frankfurt school tiny hats coming over here in the 30s was the big factor in the left changing. They pushed the Christianity out of leftism because they hated Christians more than anything else, along with sidelining the working class roots of socialism and making it the province of nebbish academics.

Agreed! A fertile field to own. Look forward to more.

What can I say other than one of the best Power Hours. Awesome!

I would follow up on the observation that the old gods are coming back, likely as a function of the obvious failure of Modernity and in particular, Marxism.Santa Muerte, which is basically just the Aztec god Huitzilopochtli, is openly worshipped by Cartel folks and others. True story, the statue of Coatlicue was unearthed in Mexico City around 1790 or so, and immediately recognized and worshipped (it is particularly ugly and satanic I must say). It is now in a museum. Coatlicue and Huitxlipochtli are now worshipped as part of the curriculum in California by school kids.Mestizos can claim these gods as justifications for what they want to do anyway, though there is considerable tension between them and those of “old Christian” both Catholics and Revivalist Pentecostalists who are of the old school Christian religion. Anyone traveling around much of Los Angeles County particularly the Metrolink train will be struck by the volume and vociferousness of Christian graffitti by believers who find an alternative to gangs and empty Liberal materialism of SWPL and failed Marxism and the ugly sadism of the Aztec gods.But underneath all the Christianity lurks a paganism in Whites as well. This is something that Lefties used to intuit but now do not, that Marxism was the replacement God for both God 2.0 (Christianity) and Gods 1.0 (Zeus, Odin, various local deities surviving as Saints etc) that per the movie “Wicker Man” were always lurking around and that Lenin/Stalin unlike Edward Woodward would crush them with a mighty red hammer and sickle. The metal guys play off that, with Nordic God imagery all the time. Atheism as a “religion” for young or even not so young White guys is not going to happen.If the old gods are coming back, why not the old Pagan gods in somewhat updated form? For young White men called the embodiment of evil, racially guilty and unable to do anything to wash away their sin let alone be accepted as a valued member of society, what else literally is there? Odin would be happy to have them as warriors, or perhaps an updated version with R. Lee Ermey, John Wayne, Davey Crockett, Jim Bowie, Pappy Boyington, Alvin York, and George Washington as the American pantheon of gods to worship and ask for guidance and protection?Who looks cooler and generates respect: Robert Conrad playing Pappy Boyington or David French cucking?[Yes I know John Wayne fought the Japanese exclusively on studio backlots, and Ermey was just an actor. But they looked cool and often that’s enough.]

A New Tomorrow (cont)The bolt from the blue. Elite Inc. is playing for keeps, so you must fight fire with fire. The storm clouds have moved in and we sit at that eerily calm stage before the arrival of the thunderous & cleansing rains. And the Elitests are perched on their high thrones peering down on the Untermenschen with a combination of pity & disdain. The surrounding walls are high and the mercenaries are well-armed & standing guard. What could possibly go wrong? Good question.

Great podcast Z, however I will take (though as Christian) the counter-argument.1. The majority of Christians are non-White, thus all Christian leaders will take their side.2. Christianity pretty much requires White people to die on the cross so to speak for non-Whites.3. Christianity in its leadership and most of its members are so cucked that it offers nothing for White men and is in fact repulsive.4. Christianity is a slave religion per Nietsche and is surrender not fighting in the struggle ahead.5. White men are bashed continually if they cuck or not, so might as well be offensive to keep up “Fighting Spirit”While I do not believe the boxcars are starting up for White people or even just White men tomorrow, or the next day, they will come. The casual vituperation and hate of White men in particular is astonishing and constant. We don’t have a man of enormous will to create utopia by killing millions at the helm now. No Mustache man, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Not even an Abimael Guzman or Jim Jones. But eventually one will come. And Christianity being innately pacifist and inclined to surrender is not compatible with fighting for survival. Bob Marley’s “Buffalo Soldiers” is more likely to applicable to Whites in the near term.I think there will be a religion, arising organically among White men, one based on ancestor hero-worship, one designed to be as offensive as possible in all senses of the world, and one designed to keep up fighting spirits of warriors beset by enemies on all sides. Certainly the images of Christian White men kneeling and washing the feet of non-Whites has nothing to offer the young(ish) White man of today. White men today have nothing on offer from anyone, not the Woke, not Christianity, to create meaning and pride in their lives. I don’t think that vacuum will last long.

For the other Christians here, Happy Easter! And, anticipating tomorrow, He Is Risen!

I was raised in a fundamentalist church. My grandad and uncles were openly hostile to Methodists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Baptists, Mormons… everyone… and especially Catholics. They were the kinds of guys who would invite Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses who knocked on the door into the house and then they would proceed to do a 5 hour Bible study with them to tell them exactly why they were going to burn in hell for all eternity. I respected that as a kid. No playing around with being inclusive or nice about Christianity at all. You are doomed and it is only by the grace of god that you will be saved. The end.But now that I am older, I don’t believe a word of it. It ended up seeming to me like we were all being manipulated by Pro-Israeli propaganda aimed at getting us to support wars in the Middle East as if we had some real stake in the matter. And as I have gotten older I haven’t seen even one issue important to the Christian “Right” that has been decided in their favor: gay marriage, prayer in school, Christmas. Nothing. Whoever the leaders of the Christian world are, they are doing an awful job of advocating for their followers. Aside from just being guilt-tripped and asked for money, you get absolutely nothing for being a Christian here that you can’t get from making friends and being nice anyway. Plus, there is a ton of negative baggage around being a Christian. People find it repulsive really. No I do not believe in eternal life or heaven and I do not believe that Jesus really rose from the dead as an actual physical fact. I feel sorry for people who are big into going to church. Seems like they always have some weird quirk to them. My most religious uncle is also a gun nut and rants about the Trilateral commission and the gold standard and race literally non-stop. Sort of undermines his preachy-ness about the Bible but he can’t see that.I enjoyed the show this week though. Kinda old-timey.

There is a secret sympathy among all those who deny the divinity of man, even though some of them do not believe in God. –Davila

I call myself a Christian – and that was a spectacular show, Z. The wife and I discussed it at length sfterward. A couple points of order, if I may:The bible does not tell people not to judge. I have to wonder if the people that say that have even read the bible. The bible specifically tells us to USE JUDGEMENT.The bible doesn’t tell people to accept everyone as equals. It specifically named groups and individuals that were to be excluded and shunned. They will pollute your beliefs and values and cause nothing but problems for you if you invite them in. This is why the left is at odds with us and with God.The purpose of the bible is not to explain the origins and intent of platypuses, wiener dogs or libertarians. And, point of order – the bible has not been selectively edited with meanings and passages lost over the span of time. We know this from the discovery of The Dead Sea Scrolls.The Bible is about being a better person. This is something we should all strive for, because that is what gives you purpose and meaning. Doing so leads to God himself if it’s done right.Finally: I notice your comments on how liberalism has poisoned those around you. It might be an interesting exercise for you to think: how has the pozz affected you? I ask this because for me, I don’t talk to my Maker. I cannot speak for Him, I cannot divine His intentions… but I can feel his presence and sometimes even see it. Why did it take so long for me to see? And why does it elude you? Could it be you have been conditioned not to see?What was your journey to this side of The Great Divide, Z?God bless you and the other Dissidents, and have a great weekend.

As an early randian I was once a fierce critic of christianity. Not so much now partly because I see christians as allies. These days I’m into zen which I see as totally compatible with race realism. I accept everyone for who they are.

Fantastic podcast today Z. Will save this one for future reference. Think racially, act locally. Exactly. Last few minutes were a very good plan.

One thing to note is that for we Christians on the Dissident Right, we look on the Dissident Secularists with suspicion because in an earlier era these secularists allied themselves with the Left to make war on Christians. I am talking about the rise of new Atheism and the purported Four Horseman of that movement. For nigh on a decade we had to endure the biting scorn of smart set who couldn’t understand why people followed a “sky daddy” with a “zombie son”, and who were really just knuckle-dragging peasants who couldn’t get with the modern times. Religion in general, and Christianity in particular, were not just wrong, these beliefs were evil, and the cause of holding humanity back from the glorious scientific future.As with all things, when the New Atheists served their purpose to the left, they were kicked out of and barred from society like we Christians they scorned not long ago. We Christians remember what the have not done, and have not forgiven them. Hence our suspicion at having to work with so loathsome an enemy simply because they were kicked out of modern society like us. Many of these New Atheists would then move on to other subjects such as race realism and White Nationalism, yet keep to the same loathsome personalities they had when they were scorning Us so.So, forgive us if we are not exactly welcoming our new outcasts with open arms.

Speaking of “mainstream churches finking on white people”, the United Methodist Church has begun to include anti-white racism in its evangelism. Methodists hate whites. Quakers and Unitarians hate whites. (And by the way, Unitarians believe in at most one God. That’s my Unitarian joke.) Anglicans hate everybody including themselves. I have links for all these assertions, but your auto-moderation interpreted them as spam. For what it’s worth, I’m a religious dissident. America will not survive without a religious revival. My expectation is that we won’t have one (or it won’t be big enough to save the country).

Threat Signal. The Killing Tree. Cruel Hand. Dimension Zero. Chokehold. Mortician. Katatonia. Morbid Angel. And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead.

Zman, I found your emphasis on Christianity and the orderly world very striking (and very well supported by my go-to book regarding religious and philosophical history, “The Cave and the Light: Plato Versus Aristotle, and the Struggle for the Soul of Western Civilization” by Arthur Herman). As a Christian who believes in both natural order and free will, I agree that the latter makes no sense in a world of chaos. From what I’ve read (and I am no expert and willing to be corrected if need be by those better informed) that sense of inevitability is not merely not Christian, but is rather an integral part of Islam. The idea that whatever happens was preordained, and thus human effort to shape human events are both futile and presumptuous. Of course, it is easy to find hypocritical examples of adherents of Islam (and Christians who believe in predestination) taking great earthly pains to shape human events, but it seems in their host societies and everyday life, everything is dismissed as “Inshallah” – i.e. it will happen, or not, as God will it. The train will come on time or not, you will have your meeting or not, you will live or die because God directs the minutiae of life.Prior to becoming a Christian that sense of heavenly inevitability was what I found the most offputting by evangelical Christians I knew. Many good and pious people, but the constant emphasis on praying for heavenly guidance on even the most mundane of decisions seemed (and still seems) to me an abjuration of personal responsibility. And, again, that can be extrapolated to the larger world. God created life and the process of procreation, but He does not (note I did not say He is unable) appear to personally intervene in every instance of genetic reproduction. Errors in the process occur, genetic mutations happen over time, and handicapped children are not generally God’s will or ‘blessing.’ The Bible primarily documents Christ blessing people and healing them, not afflicting them.Either way, I wholly support the belief that Western Civilization is inextricably intertwined with Christianity, and I believe thoughtful people of faith or those questioning faith or those looking for some other explanation to this earthly condition can discuss their differences within the context of White nationalism. I may not be a follower of Asatru, but those who are are not my enemy if they share my values and hopes for the future of the White race. Aggressive atheists tend to be less respectful of either. If I could be redeemed by God’s grace, however, anyone can, and thus hope springs eternal.

“Rambling Man Vol 4”? I admire your ambition, Z.

“It seems like there is an opportunity for the two main wings of the dissident right to find common cause again.” Common cause, yes, but no lasting alliance is possible. Either there is a God or there isn’t, and the implications are severe. Furthermore, most of the atheist hostility towards Christianity is a personal hostility not a reasoned one. I daresay that more atheists have been made by priests raping children than by debating the merits of creation versus evolution.

The acronym GNON was invented as a bridge believers and non-believers. GNON is “the God of Nature Or Nature.” I forgot who exactly came up with it. If anybody remembers, please say it.

White I disagree with him on several things, notably the possibility of political ethnostates in the current era (which, admittedly, could change due to events), but Greg Johnson has made the best argument yet in this area. The case for White nationalism/identity is a MORAL one. This is how to bridge the gap between Christians and secularists, I think, and is happening to some degree.White people are actively hated now. This runs counter to how both race realists and/or Christians believe and think. The moral case against this hatred is the obvious bridge between the groups. As you once wrote, Z, most of us do not hate anyone solely due to their race. The collective actions of certain groups, primarily blacks and their Jewish manipulators, engender much justified hatred but this is not directed at the individual by default. Granted, it is in some cases, particularly when a White has been a victim of black crime, Jewish oppression, and so forth, and that is understandable. But for the most part hatred of individuals does not animate race realists.Whites are hated now as both individuals and as groups. The universalism of Catholicism and most Protestant sects sometimes veers into a mentality that leads to hatred of Whites. Congregants may not voice their unease but it is there.We should also extend olive branches toward conservative Republicans and even White Democrats who do not hate their race. These people along with Christians are reachable, and this is where the tide will be turned. As you wrote, nothing is inevitable but this seems quite probable.

“Inshallah” is the Arabic word you were looking for. It means “if God wills it”. Some Muslims (and Christians) use it as a prayer then get to work. Many use it as an excuse not to work, change the oil in the truck, or aim a rifle. If God wills it, the truck will run and the bullet will go where it is supposed to, so why bother?

“Secularism” is absolute cancer. Secular is just another way of saying atheist which is just another way of saying anti-Christian (in the Western context) and pro certain forms of Satanism. I say this as someone who is more on the not-religious side. I suspect this is why the “secular right” website collapsed. Anything with secular in the title is signalling a hostility to “religion” and by religion, I mean Christianity within the Western context.

Good podcastI believe that Christians can make peace with the evolution issue. I have, biological evolution just made sense to me more and more as I observed the world and it no longer bothers me to fit it into my faith.Secondly, the progressive infiltration of Christianity is a weakness of Christianity, the idea of universalism within Christianity that destroys any heirarchy.But it does not have to be this way.We can have Christianity without rainbow flags and open borders and men in sundresses.Finally, The idea of Inevitability that we throw around both inside Christianity and inside secular progressivism may have its roots in Calvinism.Puritanism was rife with Calvinism.The idea of predestination is deeply rooted in our religious history in the west which perhaps expresses itself as talking about God and his inevitable will for us.Free will for man I think moves the needle over to a more correct view fir both Christianity and our world at large.Man must choose to build something both within himself and outside himself. And none of that process is inevitable including our inner will.I think of G Gordon Liddy.Whether Liddy was a Christian or not does not matterLiddy chose and determined to have peace within himself about himself and to live a worthy life no matter what was done to him.However it was not inevitable that he would be paroled by Jimmy Carter nor even live to get out of prison.The only thing Liddy could control is his own actions and mind.The inner part of man can be controlled by the man himselfThe outer part of what happens in the world around us cannot.That internal and external to ourselves part is not inevitable. We must choose.The inner part of ourself is fully controllable by ourselves.The outer world around us is not.Nothing that happens or will happen in our external world is inevitable on this earth.We truly may go on like this in societal deterioration and our nation could get worse and descend into a horrible totalitarian state for centuries.But maybe not?Christianity can help provide that inner meaning of life for us as individuals.But that inner meaning of life can also be provided by our own will and our own self determination.That is how I kinda look at it.

One of the hardest things to impress upon people is that we have to actively disassociate from blacks and that such actions are good and just. That to detach ourselves from blacks is being on the side of the angels.Rather in today’s world, that is seen as evil or bad. But this is false.Flipping that around and discrediting that false belief is pretty much our mission. Not saying it’s going to be easy. But either way, it’s that or we die or wither away. My read of the world today is that we are both a form of degenerative poison to the other, blacks and whites. They cause us to rot as organisms, putting it plainly. I always see blacks as that alkaline crud you see oozing out of old batteries, just eating away at it slowly. If we don’t separate we die, and it’s that simple, assuming enjoyment in life and your vitality and vigor and being at full strength are important to you. I

I separate evolution into two types. Small “e” evolution is a proven fact. Take some domesticated wolves/dogs and breed only the very fastest for many generations and you end up with Greyhounds. They can still breed with other dogs and wolves, but they have unique characteristics. Same thing happened in human history. Z hits on it – we were all built for a specific place.Big “E” evolution where the greyhounds eventually become a different species with a different number of chromosomes and can’t breed with dogs – that theory has huge holes in it. It gets taught as fact despite the glaring holes.

Apologies if you mentioned this in the show (haven’t had time to listen yet), but one good way to get the two sides talking would be to point out the immense effort the Left has put into establishing the equation “smart person” = “fucking loves Science” = “atheism.” That whole “Hitler’s Pope” thing, for instance, was largely invented by the KGB (with an assist from the Romanian Securitate, whose CO wrote a book about it). For most of the USSR’s existence, if you scratched a “Liberal” theologian, you’d find a Marxist, often directly on the KGB’s payroll — the World Council of Churches was a KGB front, “Liberation Theology” was cooked up in Moscow, etc.The point is, whether or not there actually IS a Magic Sky Fairy, of whatever flavor, and whatever He may or may not command, religion is a pillar of civilization (the Commies did the same thing in Asia — the CCP is as anti-Buddhist as they are anti-Christian, the Naxalites in India are furiously anti-Hindu, etc.). The fact that the Left is against it means that we should be for it, at least in the abstract — sincere belief would be best, but I’d take a church full of hypocrites over an online discussion board full of Leftists any day.

The pompous Harvard ass (but I repeat myself) Stephen Jay Gould used to refer to “non-overlapping magisteria.” Anyway one of the things I always liked about Catholicism was that it was accepting of evolution, having perhaps learned its lesson with Galileo.

For me, the big issue between Christian conservatives (though some Christians on the DR might disagree with them) and the secular DR is the former’s universalism. “We’re all God’s children” doesn’t exactly fit with ethno-nationalism.You see it on Gab all the time. But as long as Christianity can be squared with ethno-nationalism, I don’t see why Christian and secular DR couldn’t live together just fine. Both want a respect for tradition, hierarchy, with one side viewing that these grow out of a love for God and the other that they grow out of a love of their people. For the Christians, God created that people so the secularists – whether they know it or not – are still honoring God.What’s more, as Lineman has pointed out and I highly suspect that he’s right, the DR needs Christianity to win. We’re facing the equivalent of religious zealots. It’s going to be tough to defeat them without an equal level of commitment and that is hard to muster without religion. People are going to lose jobs, friends, family, maybe even go to jail. Will secular members of the DR be willing to do that? I don’t know.

There are a couple of irreconcilable differences between the religious creationists and secular evolutionists. First, evolutionists tend to radically overreach in their explanations for human behavior, generally by assuming the conclusion or commiting post hoc errors.Second, and more importantly, evolution in particular, and science in general simply cannot provide moral guidance or direction. For example, even though it is generally accepted as true by some that Africans evolved differently than Asians, it simply cannot provide any moral guidance on what to do about it. How to deal with this fact is fundamentally a moral question and must be answered within a moral framework.