The Popular Fanatic

Note: I have a new post up on Taki today about the Church of Covid. Good to see the headline writer finally took my advice. I also have a new post up behind the green door on the 80’s comedy Back to School.


An old criticism of liberal democracy was that the system would inevitably become less stable, as each election would result in a wild swing in direction. The people would support position X in one election and then support position Y in the next election, with X and Y being opposite positions on some issue. We are getting a sense of that now with Biden’s handlers promising a reversal of Trump’s policies, which were allegedly a sharp break from the policies of predecessors.

One reason for this is that liberal democracies are bourgeois societies, in which the old instinct to dress up interests in objectivity and civic virtue remain strong. It is considered immoral for a group to press their interests in a purely partisan way, so everyone insists that science and the public good are the motivations. The deliberate destruction by the elites of the civic life of societies is not just a naked attempt to remake the world in their image, but an effort to build back better.

Bourgeois objectivity, however, does not work as a brake on the partisanship that comes with democracy. Instead, it works to magnify it. Every issue, instead of being a fight between interested parties, is a fight for eternal truth and cosmic justice. Voting for party X is not about where your bread is buttered, but about where you stand in the moral hierarchy, relative to the people in party Y. The polarization we are seeing today is not about practical politics, but about good versus evil.

Of course, in order to arrive at the point of bourgeois partisanship, you first must arrive at a post-scarcity society. When the threat of extinction is no longer obvious, the people are free to indulge in fantasy and leisure items. In the Cold War, the West avoided this state because the threat of nuclear war was real. The sober-minded had the primary duty of keeping the frivolous under control. Once that was removed, the frivolous and insane were free to run wild through society.

The result is a strange paradox. The issues that rise to the top are increasingly trivial and ridiculous, but the partisanship around them becomes more intense. Two men playing house is a fact of life going back to the dawn of man, but suddenly the embrace of this became a defining issue. If that was not ridiculous enough, what followed was a parade of men in dresses demanding we play along with them. Then it was people with a list of bizarre pronouns demanding validation.

At some level, the bourgeois partisan knows this, but instead of acknowledging the obvious, the demand for public judgement becomes more intense. In the Cold War, the Left had get out the vote drives, by which they meant rigging the voting in major urban areas. Otherwise, there was a quiet understanding that voting should be left to those who pay attention. Today, voting is a moral duty and we are endlessly reminded of it in the months before an election. The truth must be decided.

This is probably the only thing about liberal democracy that makes sense. If everyone votes, then the winners can claim a mandate. If Trump voters, for example, realized the vote was being rigged and boycotted the election last week, the winners could not legitimately claim a mandate. This used to be a tactic in low-trust societies ruled by an elite seeking legitimacy at the ballot box. In modern societies, everyone assumes the truth is fifty-percent-plus-one, so everyone must vote.

Here is where we stumble into another paradox of liberal democracy and another source of partisan anger. All human societies have elites and those elites control the institutions of the society. In theory, popular forms of government either check the power of the elites or place real power into the hands of the people. In one variation, the powerful propose and people dispose. In the other variation the people both propose and dispose. Democracy is about the public will.

In reality, voting is entirely meaningless in a liberal democracy, as the elites control public policy exclusively. The winning side in 1992 thought they were getting a folksy John F Kennedy, when they just got a skeevy Bush I. Bush voters thought they were getting a dim version of Reagan, but got Lyndon Johnson. The people celebrating Biden think they will get reeducation camps and proscription lists, but instead they will end up with a less coherent version of Bush II.

As the researchers in this 2014 study found, those elites that are a permanent feature of all societies control public policy in a liberal democracy, just as they do in every other form of government. In liberal democracy, however, the people are blind to this reality, instead believing that the market place of democracy decides. If elite opinion tracked public opinion, no one would mind, but when elite opinion is at war with the public, it becomes another source of partisan rage.

This leads to the final paradox of liberal democracy. The most rational strategy for minority interests is to withdraw consent, as this strips some legitimacy from the winner of the democratic process. Instead, partisans become more intensely partisan after each electoral defeat and every betrayal. In two years, those red MAGA hats will be a bloody shirt inspiring partisans to vote for the GOP, who will promptly betray those voters at the first opportunity. The anger will keep rising.

The reason that the world appears to be going mad is that liberal democracy, without the brake of thermonuclear war, is a runaway train of partisan fury. Instead of disputes being settled at the ballot box, each election intensifies the dispute. Haldane famously observed that fanaticism is man’s greatest invention. That’s because it is his greatest weapon. As partisan fury rises in liberal democracy, the fanatic becomes the most valued participant. It becomes rule by fanatic.

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OrangeFrog #212937 November 9, 2020 8:14 am 47
I really ought to know better by now, but could not resist a dig at a co-worker waffling on about how ‘Biden was going to undo all the ills Trump caused’. I played dumb, asking what the result of the election was, she looks at me, dumbfounded:Dude, how can you not know that?! It is the most important election in the history of the US!Me:So, who won… apparently?Her:Biden!Me:That’s the creep who grooms under age girls, isn’t it?I must say, partisanship is most amenable to my character. I don’t even need to think now that the battle lines have been drawn more solidly – just make a slur and hurl it. On a more serious note, this lady has swallowed everything the MSM has said, she cannot be salvaged, it was really a foolish move by me.We’re all fanatics now.
whitney #212949 November 9, 2020 9:12 am 21
Yeah this is true I do actually understand how the leftist felt four years ago now because I am totally over people in my own family. Mostly, because my state does not have a mask a mandate so I don’t have to walk around the park with a mask on. I’m making sure all my Lefty family members know that Biden wants Nationwide mask mandate because that is actually something we will all feel
The Wild Geese Howard #212955 November 9, 2020 9:19 am 15
Hammer them with the fact mask waste is piling up in the environment and the fibers are piling up in our lungs: https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/06/face-masks-a-danger-to-our-planet-our-children-ourselves/ Start screaming about, “murdering Gaia,” when they try to push back on the environmental angle.
Arcadian #212984 November 9, 2020 9:55 am 6
Ah, hammering them, yes. But with sarcasm, a heavy variety.Just had this exchange with a family member living in a retirement community (word for word):Arc: Hey, congrats!Person: For what?Arc: Your man Biden. I saw on tee vee that he received the largest vote count of any presidential candidate in American history! I am bleeding red, white and blue right now. I could not be more proud.Person: I am going to [conduct typical retirement community activity] with my Biden fan friends right now. You know Doctor [other person] and his son. His son is 48 (non sequitur ignored).Arc: Oh, that’s great. Can you congratulate Doctor [other person) for me?Person: Sure, he said the other day that Trump was documented as lying 22,000 times.Arc: Wow, at least its a round number (no response). Hey, also tell him that since you both live in a retirement community, what is that you call it, “God’s waiting room”, there’s even more to be proud of as an American. Since you guys are one foot in the grave, just think when you get both feet there you can still have voted for Biden as he got the largest percentage of dead people voting for him. Ever!Person: (slight chuckle).Arc: I mean it, I am literally bleeding red, white and blue right now. I am so proud to be an American. You know your man Biden also got the most votes ever in the 100 to 110 year old category. I am so proud.Person: Hey, I’ve seen a lot of bad presidents come and go (see that – already milked an admission that his man is “bad”) … followed by blah-blah and “I have to run, I am going to meet Doctor (other person) and his son at (typical retirement community activity).Arc: Okay, bye. Click.
Alzaebo #213149 November 9, 2020 2:49 pm 2
That’s infected hazmat waste, too, supposedly.
Bill Mullins #213351 November 10, 2020 9:11 am 0
What’s the old saw, “Act in haste; repent in leisure.” IIRC, Talib was one of the ones demanding the headlong rush towards lockdown and face diapers. And to think that he did so based upon his own “precautionary principle”. Reckon he’d admit that maybe the “cure” was worse than the “disease”? Nah. Me neither. Funny how guys like him can argue bothagainstthings they don’t like andforthings they do using the selfsame“scientific”principles. I reckon it’d kill someone like Talib to actually do a rigorous, fact-based analysis.
whitney #212956 November 9, 2020 9:20 am 21
And one of them is actually going to feel tangible harm. I’ve been giving one of my leftist relatives money since this all started. We’re in the same business but they’re much less competent than I am so their business has suffered a lot. If there’s another lockdown that’s it they don’t get another dime from me
3g4me #212997 November 9, 2020 10:37 am 15
I should compliment you on your charity but my gut response is ARE YOU NUTS? All you get from charity (verbal or financial) is a kick in the teeth.
whitney #213069 November 9, 2020 12:30 pm 1
Yeah
Felix Krull #213087 November 9, 2020 12:56 pm 6
Yes. Nothing breeds resentment like charity.
Ostei Kozelskii #213141 November 9, 2020 2:32 pm 0
Hence, the Marshall Plan.
Felix Krull #213148 November 9, 2020 2:44 pm 2
Hence? But yes, that irked. Or take France; most French feel a spiritual brotherhood to America due to muh republic and all that, but liberating them from Les Boches didn’t help the fraternal relations.
Bill Mullins #213354 November 10, 2020 9:19 am 0
My experience with Europeans is something to the effect of, “Okay. You helped us free ourselves in 1944-45; but what have you done for ussincethen?” The Germans are worse since they are the ones who we beat to set the rest of Europe free. If we hadn’t intervened all of Europe (and much of Russia?) would be speaking German now.
Felix Krull #213163 November 9, 2020 3:11 pm 9
Whoa there, I almost forgot my favorite Marshall Plan-anecdote.I once had the privilege and pleasure of interviewing one of the first Commie infiltrators to penetrate to permanent secretary-level of Danish government, the legendary Erik Ib Schmidt. (Or erik ib schmidt, as he preferred himself, having adopted a 1920s Commie affectation of not using capital letters. )He had been on the Danish legation at the Marshall Plan negotiations and told me this story:At one summit meeting, they were going to decide how big a slice of the Marshall pie each country would get. To that end, each country had brought this newfangled thing, an “economist”, which nobody really knew what to do with, so they told them to “calculate” the GDP of each Marshall Plan country.So there they were, locked in a conference room, staring at each other with no idea of what to do or where to begin, until one clever guy suggested this: Each representative would write down his estimate of each country’s GDP, they’d strike the highest and the lowest estimate and take the average of the rest.And then, they would sit ten hours and twiddle their thumbs to make it look like they had “calculated” each GDP.A poignant anecdote about both economics and the work ethic of civil servants, if I may say so myself.
Ostei Kozelskii #213175 November 9, 2020 3:24 pm 1
Poignant, indeed. Droll, even. And that’s where bell hooks gets it.
DLS #213117 November 9, 2020 1:52 pm 8
I’m in a similar position. My older sister is in her late 50s, and has not had a job in about 20 years. She has health problems she uses as an excuse, but could work somewhere like Walgreens. But she is one of those people that just can’t seem to get or hold a job. She is very leftish and convinced my parents to vote Biden. Thankfully we are in a red state so it made no difference, but it still rankles.My parents give her about $2K/mo from their pensions. They don’t need the money and don’t want to feel guilty, so they are purchasing peace. But when they are gone she is going to need help. I always figured I would give her their inheritance of about $200K, since I don’t need it. But she will run out of money well before she dies. I figured I would help her out from a Christian charity perspective. But it is very tempting for me to tell her I am so glad Biden won because now I don’t have to worry about her in the future, knowing the government will be there for her.
Felix Krull #213144 November 9, 2020 2:36 pm 4
If you ever give her money, demand her ballot in return.
Penitent Man #213159 November 9, 2020 3:07 pm 1
Are there no worthy grandchildren to give your side of the folk’s inheritance to?
DLS #213259 November 9, 2020 6:15 pm 2
Thought about that, but they need to earn their own way. I generally believe leaving money to able bodied people subtracts from their soul, if that makes any sense.
3g4me #213204 November 9, 2020 4:43 pm 6
Don’t give her a penny – if the situation were reversed, she wouldn’t leave you a dime. She’s already wasted her life (no marriage/no children/no common sense) so if you really don’t need the money, use it to help some young White family with children trying to survive clownworld.
whitney #213215 November 9, 2020 4:56 pm 3
Ditto entire first paragraph
ChicagoRodent #213276 November 9, 2020 7:39 pm 3
Make her comp contingent on weekly meetings with a mental health counselor that you thoroughly vet in advance. You owe it to her to try and I believe it might help. Involve your parents and form a family support group.Mental illness is sometimes fixable, and you should try, as it’s comparable to physical damage, even schizo manifestations.I should have done this for myself at one juncture but I’ve always managed to push through things, sometimes extraordinary physical or mental conditions, and emerge on the other side in good shape with additional wisdom. So I’ve never availed myself of mental health assistance but in return it cost me a few years of my mind racing and having to figure out quietly how to realign.Others cannot do this themselves and they are not to blame, genetics contributes tremendously. I have personally and also professionally witnessed people I knew right the ship and get on with meaningful lives, with and without drugs.After 20 years, there is scant chance she’ll improve on her own. Those tape recorders in her brain will just continue their loop until somebody helps her by inserting [music of her choice].Good luck.
pozymandias #213298 November 9, 2020 10:54 pm 1
I know tons of people like her. Living on a small allowance from one’s parents while being a Leftist freak is probably the most common “job” here in Portland. It’s people like this who should be given the option to redeem themselves by selling themselves into slavery. Only half kidding. Needless to say voting rights go away for good. As for the grandkids and not wanting to spoil them, why not give them a low interest loan to start a small business? We’re going to need to replace the hundreds of thousands of them destroyed by the Scamdemic.
ChicagoRodent #213072 November 9, 2020 12:35 pm 7
I still will not wear the mask. Unfort this will make Bezos even richer. Or else perhaps the mom and pop Mexican groceries here. The Mexicans have great meat and produce, and they will let you inside to buy without a mask and nobody will call them on it. Mexican alderman, you know.
Glenfilthie #212965 November 9, 2020 9:28 am 17
I know I am. I’ve checked out of politics completely now. I’ll only get involved once the shooting starts. For now I’m stockpiling ammo, beer and popcorn and stropping my bayonet across the whetstone.Soon…sooooon, my Precious……
usNthem #212989 November 9, 2020 10:09 am 10
Agreed. None-the-less, I detest those leftard dirtbag bast**** & bit**** gloating and rubbing our faces in it. Old somedunce and his treepers say it creates a cold anger – mine is more like a white hot hatred. I need to take a chill pill…
Falcone #213044 November 9, 2020 11:36 am 11
Same here Officially done with this garbage Nothing will change the fact that I am literally being swarmed by weird people from the third world, so no need to involve myself Dropping out time for Falcone. Buy some land. Build a tennis court, God willing. Whack balls for a few years, get a tan, do some farming, fishing. May have a grandchild in a few years. Walk the farm with him or her. My middle finger to the world
Ostei Kozelskii #213177 November 9, 2020 3:32 pm 2
Indeed. Whyshouldwe continue participating in this political charade? We were disenfranchise by this coup, and in the future there will be no Trumps, only Romneyoids and McCainites. The Power Structure will make certain that only well-vetted AWRs can hold federal power.
usNthem #213287 November 9, 2020 9:02 pm 4
Yep, the blob got blindsided in 2016, figuring no way Trump could possibly win. Thus four frantic years of continuous undermining and sand in the gears of the administration. Now the blob is fully awake and on high alert. No way another Trumpenstein (in leftard’s view) can possibly win a future election. Thus they float their two most pathetic candidates to the (apparent) win, basically saying WTF are you/we gonna do about it? They didn’t even bother to run someone who could be plausibly thought of as a winner. They don’t give a shit cause the fix was in – as usual. Hopefully many more are seeing this clusterf*** for what it is and what it always will be until the black flags are finally hoisted.
Bill Mullins #213360 November 10, 2020 9:31 am 1
Why should we continue participating in this political charade? Indeed. I believe that I have voted for the last time. Even if I do live to the next general election (thereby out-living my Mom) I see no reason toe believe my vote will even be counted – much less count. I see no reason to engage in an exercise in futility. The Left is united and has the bit between its teeth; there is pretty much nothing beyond the Progs’ grasp now.
Ostei Kozelskii #213480 November 10, 2020 12:43 pm 0
There’s no point in lending their tyranny any semblance of legitimacy. Let them own that tyranny.
Suburban_elk #212969 November 9, 2020 9:31 am 2
What happened after that?
OrangeFrog #212978 November 9, 2020 9:47 am 8
Her: … Three seconds later, eye roll and Her: No, that’s not true… That was something the Trump administration put out to the press. What it was was just that some of the girls got a bit uncomfortable because he got too close. It was innocent… I never knewyouwere a Trump fan.. Whether I was a fan of Trump or not, I have been outed. Because bad feelings.
Educated.redneck #212996 November 9, 2020 10:36 am 13
“I’m not a Trump fan, I just #BelieveAllWomen. Don’t you believe all women?”(staircase wit, I know).
BadThinker #213090 November 9, 2020 12:59 pm 2
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Dinothedoxie #213009 November 9, 2020 10:51 am 5
The dumb fucks don’t realize that they’re going to own every fuckup for the next four years. CovId deaths up this week? Thanx Biden and the asholes that selected him. Terrorist attack? Thanx asshole that voted Biden. Unemployment up? Thanx d-douchebag. Im going to enjoy this.
Juri #213035 November 9, 2020 11:20 am 20
Communists never own anything. All bad is from public enemies. Those people never wake up. In former Soviet Union it is clearly visible. Even those commies who ere sent to Gulag and somehow survived, did not change their opinion not even a little. For commies Donald damage lasts forever so now they have excuse for problems for next 200 years.
Screwtape #213088 November 9, 2020 12:58 pm 2
Yep. Out-running Orange Man Bad is like out-running Whiteness. Distance from original sin only compounds the toll to be collected.
Falcone #213073 November 9, 2020 12:35 pm 4
Exactly how I am seeing it With every Biden/Harris screw up and I am gong to LAY into every liberal like no tomorrow They are going to regret every saying they supported those two grifters
ChicagoRodent #213086 November 9, 2020 12:50 pm 6
The dumb fucks don’t realize that they’re going to own every fuckup for the next four years. They’re going to own everything for much, much longer. In two years, they will control Congress and have begun packing the courts. A million Chinese will have newly arrived to “help” us restore our manufacturing base (cough). Our IP laws and enforcement mechanisms will be detuned to contribute towards innovation that addresses climate change. And we will begin hearing a lot of mandarin and chinese political expressions gradually being inserted into our daily lives.
Felix Krull #213089 November 9, 2020 12:58 pm 8
All of that stuff will be blamed on Cheeto Hitler.
KGB #213260 November 9, 2020 6:21 pm 1
“They were still booing him, even after we got on stage!”
Bill Mullins #213367 November 10, 2020 9:44 am 0
The dumb fucks don’t realize that they’re going to own every fuckup for the next four years.Uh-uh. As Juri said,“Communists never own anything. All bad is from public enemies.”Anything and everything which goes the least bit south will self-evidently be Trump’s fault in the same way that anything and everything bad that happened under O’Bozo’s regime was Bush’s fault. Face it. In the main leftists are just damned incompetent (for which I am glad since it limits the havoc they can wreak) but theONE THINGat which they are truly,TRULYgood is deflecting blame. Mark my words. Anything and everything for which Kameltoe and her buddies do not wish to claim credit will beALLTRUMP’SFAULT!!!Make book on it.
Epaminondas #212948 November 9, 2020 9:09 am 36
“The people celebrating Biden think they will get reeducation camps and proscription lists, but instead they will end up with a less coherent version of Bush II.” And just a few hours ago, Bush II called Biden and congratulated him. These people are worse than we CAN imagine.
T. Morris #212950 November 9, 2020 9:15 am 13
They’re all part of the same fraternity, man. Which I’m sure you already knew, but I had to say it anyhow. Funny, though; can’t you imagine Biden receiving that call while having one of his episodes where is brain is starved for oxygen like he’s in the “death zone” on Everest or K2. I don’t know why but thoughts like that come to mind and make me LOL!
Wolf Barney #212958 November 9, 2020 9:21 am 21
And these people are all on Team Globohomo, Bush II, Biden, HRC, Romney, etc. Except the normies look at them where they’re all at Bush I’s funeral, for instance, getting along, and say how great it is that they’re not enemies. Yep, working together and cooperating with each other, for more immigration and more outsourcing and more war.
sentry #213022 November 9, 2020 11:09 am 9
And these people are all on Team Globohomo, working together and cooperating with each other, for more immigration and more outsourcing and more war.stage 1 – turn whole country into californiastage 2 – take guns awaystage 3 – open season on white people(whites better be gone by then)
Rwc1963 #213313 November 10, 2020 3:30 am 0
No place for whites to run anymore. They better grow a spine and cajones if they want to live.Learn to the hunter not the hunted.Remember what AS wrote in the Gulag Archipelago. In portion he talks about if men would simply shoot dead the Commie goons who come to take them away. AS wrote to the effect that if enough people had killed these goons the others would have backed off.In another part he mentions a man who killed a communist guard, took his gun and ammo. Evenutally he killed something like 30 of his pursuers. AS said if 5000 men in Russia were like him the Communists would have lost.
Dennis Roe #213318 November 10, 2020 6:44 am 0
4- replace Alex Trebec with Kunta Kinte
Ostei Kozelskii #213234 November 9, 2020 5:19 pm 2
Cooperating in the destruction of Western civilization.
Barnard #212961 November 9, 2020 9:24 am 9
I read that Dick Cheyney has been giving Biden foreign policy advice. That can’t be going over well with the hardcore left. They might move up their timetable on deposing Joe.
Wolf Barney #212970 November 9, 2020 9:33 am 7
Steve Sailer talks about the Coalition of the Fringes turning into a circular firing squad. Normie-Dem Biden won’t go nearly as far as AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley etc (the Squad) would like, although I’m sure a Prez Kamala will be satisfactory to them.
Screwtape #213028 November 9, 2020 11:12 am 9
Seems to me that the circular firing squad aspect of the left, while real, in the sense that cannibalism is a natural attribute of leftism, it seems to fall short of actually helping or advancing the interests of our side. It offers amusement and I suppose a speed brake on the crazy train, but stops short of delegitimizing their grip on actual levers of power. Perhaps its iterative. Like a PCR test. And after 35 years – or maybe generations, it finally flips positive.
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213283 November 9, 2020 8:33 pm 2
Old saying about revolutions eating their children.Every revolutionary movement is comprised of different factions united against a common foe. When they take over, they will first punish their foes then turn on each other, fighting for dominance.The French Revolution, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Iran. Even early Christianity was a revolutionary movement.In this case, they’re not even waiting to vanquish Trump supporters.
Alzaebo #213185 November 9, 2020 3:43 pm 0
Ook, an addition to the Squad. Good catch- they’re soon to make their bid for supremacy, another puppet front for the elites. Bidenites and BLM are already punching each other. (Don’t have the clip, but note the black guy punches the antifa when he turns his head.)
Mark Auld #213240 November 9, 2020 5:32 pm 2
The antifa he was actually a she in the report I saw, makes it even sweeter.
Rwc1963 #213314 November 10, 2020 3:38 am 0
Muzzies are not impressed by our effiminate elites and their lawyers like Podesta. Nor are the hard core Marxists. They will use those elites and then simply take their wealth and power.That’s what happened with the Roman elite. Once whites are no longer the backbone of the military and it’s full of ethnics they will no longer obey their white masters and that will be that.
Bill Mullins #213423 November 10, 2020 10:55 am 0
I’m sure a Prez Kamala will be satisfactory to [AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley etc (the Squad)]. Since I figure Kameltoe will have executed her 25thA coup by the end of summer, I figureAOC, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley etc will be happy soon enough.
Alzaebo #213184 November 9, 2020 3:40 pm 0
His daughter is gay and the governor of the resource fiefdom he owns, Wyoming, isn’t she? He’ll be hailed as a convert. Seeing the Light pays! Take note, strivers!
Epaminondas #213278 November 9, 2020 7:57 pm 2
Liz Cheney is the sole congressional representative for Wyoming. They have only one.
Glenfilthie #212981 November 9, 2020 9:53 am 6
I used to think the dissidents were too hard on Dubya… but after that… they sure got that one right, I will admit. Unfortunately many of my fellow yesterday men are like that…
KGB #213024 November 9, 2020 11:09 am 17
As someone who voted for Bush, I’m struggling to come up with a single thing he got right. There’s probably no other figure in my life that I’ve done a bigger 180 on.
Evil Sandmich #213050 November 9, 2020 11:47 am 7
Yeah I was thinking earlier about how spirited an opinion I had on the Bush vs. Kerry election, what a dolt. Too many years of listening to Limbaugh I suppose…
3g4me #213061 November 9, 2020 12:19 pm 8
Same. And I voted for the POS for governor as well. I’ve flipped on Nixon too – my leftist childhood led me to hate him for ‘reasons’; now I despise him for the opening to China, the EPA, etc.
The Wild Geese Howard #213165 November 9, 2020 3:11 pm 2
Nixon going to China looks like an all-time horrific decision from today’s perspective. Bretton Woods is also in the running.
RoBG #213115 November 9, 2020 1:46 pm 7
It’s worse than merely being mistaken: he lied. There were no high-tech caves in Tora-Bora. There were no WMDs in Iraq (the Niger docs were proved to be forgeries.) The anthrax came from the US, etc. Oh, and it took 14 years for the redacted 28 pages from the JIST report re: Saudi involvement in 9/11 to be released. And people who were at ground zero continue to die horrible deaths after he sent the Whitman woman from the EPA to say the air quality there wasn’t dangerous.
Dr. Dre #213213 November 9, 2020 4:53 pm 2
Whitman, former NJ Governor, like Bush, had large family background with Eisenhower Repubs. Also, were of “elite” social status; same is true of creeps like Robert Mueller. All attended the “best” private schools before heading to the Ivy League. They’re screwed though as these institutions are being sued for systemic racism of one kind or another. They may hate Trump, but their kind will be gone in 20 yrs. and the schools will be unrecognizable if still functioning. Who’s going to contribute to the “Annual Fund” if your grandkids are being replaced by a bunch of Hindoos?
DLS #213124 November 9, 2020 2:02 pm 3
Alito is the only thing I can think of, but then he cancelled it with Roberts.
Dr. Dre #213208 November 9, 2020 4:47 pm 1
Hours of my life wasted on campaigning for the idiot in Ohio!
Bill Mullins #213429 November 10, 2020 11:00 am 0
For me Bush II’s sole virtue was that he wasn’t Gore. But then I often approach a ballot decision on the basis of “Who would I shoot last?” Usually they all ought to be shot. I look at the options and vote for the one I’d shoot last. It works for me.
Alzaebo #213187 November 9, 2020 3:48 pm 1
I surely was. But, that’s the difference- we have the stones to admit that we were fooled.
DLS #213123 November 9, 2020 1:59 pm 8
I always thought Bush the Lesser was a decent, moral human being. But then he started palling around with Clinton, and joking about them being brothers. This is a man who likely raped a woman, engaged in routine sexual assault and probably had sex with minors on Epstein’s island. And yet Bush II looked down on Trump as being immoral. Yes, they are worse than we can imagine.
RoBG #213154 November 9, 2020 2:59 pm 1
Clinton called Bush-the-Elder “Dad.” Clinton was governor of AK during Iran Contra (https://tinyurl.com/y6gz49d3.) I doubt his son ever did anything to contradict his father.
Ostei Kozelskii #213230 November 9, 2020 5:18 pm 6
I can now join with the Dixie Chicks in saying I’m ashamed W is from Texas.
Rwc1963 #213312 November 10, 2020 3:20 am 0
Indeed those people are far worse than we can imagine. Both had no compunction to send our boys to die in futile wars while they also sold our country to the Chinese. They are Evil.
TomA #212939 November 9, 2020 8:31 am 30
Go deeper. Once upon a time, the weak and the stupid died young, did not reproduce, and the strong and the smart dominated the gene pool. And the species rose to the top of the life pyramid. Modern civilization and affluence has entirely reversed that dynamic, and all the maladies mentioned in this post are a consequence of ongoing and worsening DNA pollution. You cannot talk or vote your way out of this dilemma.At some point, malicious and corrupt government smashes headlong into peon fury and desperation. During the French Revolution, this unleashed chaotic destruction and imperfect culling. We can do better the next time around. We can do intelligent culling, which already exists in the world of deer hunting and some other game species.If you wanna talk hard truths that shall never be spoken, this topic is the ultimate heresy.
OrangeFrog #212941 November 9, 2020 8:55 am 13
If you wanna talk hard truths that shall never be spoken, this topic is the ultimate heresy. Do you think so? I have always thought that the race issue trumps dysgenic issue hands down. In fact, most of the people I have spoken to seem OK with the fact that we’re more cowardly and to a degree more stooopider than in the past. The topic seems far easier to bring up that race.
TomA #212992 November 9, 2020 10:31 am 14
Race is simply the manifestation of evolutionary selection in a particular environment. Black people (Negroids) possess the traits that worked well in the environments of central and southern Africa (this includes skin pigmentation). Caucasians possess traits that worked well in the Caucasus Region of SE Europe and SW Asia. DNA pollution takes the entire species down, and does not discriminate based on race. None of us are well adapted for the modern man-made environment of civilization in which many peoples are intermixed in places where they are not well suited.
OrangeFrog #213002 November 9, 2020 10:42 am 3
DNA pollution takes the entire species down, and does not discriminate based on race. This is why DNA pollution/dysgenic (I assume I have not conflated the two) is easier to bring up in public… It’s not racist!
Deshawn #213294 November 9, 2020 9:57 pm 1
What’s wrong with being racist???
Bill Mullins #213374 November 10, 2020 9:57 am 0
What’s wrong with being racist???Glad you asked. Depending upon where you live it can cost you your livelihood and get your tender ass arrested and fined. Making “racist” remarks is considered “disorderly conduct” in some jurisdictions and being called out as being “racist” on social media can easily cost you your job. And you don’t have to be lily-white for this to happen, either. Look up the story about the Asian guy in Arizona who publicly challenged a Jogger taking pictures in his neighborhood, uttered aloud the alternate spelling of “jogger” and admitted to being a “racist”. He was arrested, lost his job (independent real estate contractor) and his former employer is seeking to have his real estate license revoked.Actually, it’s okay toBEa racist; it’s just not a good idea to publiclyCOPto it.
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213010 November 9, 2020 10:53 am 13
That situation exists among animals, too. Whitetail deer in Maine tend to be bigger than whitetail deer in Florida. Leopards and jaguars in the tropics are often black. Arctic animals are often white.Wild animals are typically more intelligent and hardier than their domesticated brethren.Difficulties arise when an animal or human who evolved to exist under certain conditions moves to a different one. The high rate of skin cancer among Whites in northern Australia is one example. During the era of genuine White Gentile supremacy in this country, blacks to some degree adopted White attitudes and behaviors. With the collapse of White domination and the welfare state, many blacks reverted back to behaviors that are normal in Africa. A propensity for stealing, male laziness and irresponsibility with women doing most of the work and supporting themselves and their children. One difference is that in Africa women cannot laze about, too, but must work because there’s no welfare outside of foreign aid.
Alzaebo #213168 November 9, 2020 3:14 pm 1
(White Gentile- excellent phrasing, adopting that, thanks)
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213280 November 9, 2020 8:16 pm 1
To distinguish from the (((Whites))) in Name Only crowd.
Alzaebo #213296 November 9, 2020 10:36 pm 0
Thanks again, Ris, because a lot of very decent or necessary White people aren’t Christian or WINO. It’s a nice way to include everybody while noticing the *strong horse* empowering the rest.
CompscI #213012 November 9, 2020 10:56 am 5
Bingo! But as to speaking of race. From my point of view in this berg it is far more common to talk of such on the radio. Not as common to talk of specific minorities, but one hears of “Whites” having problems specific to them and their plight all the time. Prior to a few years ago, such problems were usually spoken about as being universal in nature. It was never Whites vs “others”. It is now.
Falcone #213042 November 9, 2020 11:30 am 3
Wondering if the ratings for Political Cesspool begin to skyrocket I had forgotten all about them until Greg Johnson was a guest the other day, I found out about through Counter Currents. Actually for me, a little hard to believe that Political Cesspool is on an actual radio channel / Liberty Network.
Ben the Layabout #213188 November 9, 2020 3:49 pm 0
Genetics and evolution is fascinating to read about in books geared to the layman. Even good for water cooler talk, just avoid the human races debate!Based upon my admittedly very limited knowledge, all life began with a single organism about 3.5 billion years ago. Everything, plant, animal, weird in-betweens, is a direct descendant. Talk about diversity! Mammals are relatively late on the scene, a couple hundred million years ago. Of the several million living species, there are probably a hundred or a thousand times as many extinct species. Natural selection takes no prisoners.Just recently I learned that humans (primates) are closer relatives to rodents or rabbits ( which you’ve probably seen, as well as lemurs and tree shrews which you probably haven’t), than we are to our common pets, dogs and cats.
The Wild Geese Howard #212942 November 9, 2020 8:57 am 6
Sounds a lot like Spandrell’s Bio-Leninism or the spiteful mutant concept.
thezman #212944 November 9, 2020 9:04 am 2
I have to say that I have never cared for the Bio-Leninism. It’s always struck me as tarted up elite theory, which is perfectly fine and does not require tarting up.
Joey Jünger #213127 November 9, 2020 2:04 pm 1
Speaking of tarting up, I just read a new piece by Moldbug. That guy’s the most prolix and purple writer out there. Someone should tell him blogging is not a literary endeavor. Still, he did have one good point: for Trump to do some good, to admit that our government and our people are hostage to Big Tech, he would have to admit that even the president is powerless. It wasn’t just that he got seduced by flattery like any standard GOP pol; he couldn’t lose face by admitting that the president can’t drain the swamp, because he is not only not the most powerful man in the world, he’s not even the most powerful man in D.C.
TomA #212999 November 9, 2020 10:39 am 3
I have tried to understand Spandrell’s definition and use of the term Bioleninism, and it always strikes me as obtuse, vague, and contradictory. So not much use in rational discussion or reasoning.
The Wild Geese Howard #213023 November 9, 2020 11:09 am 1
I thought your points were a decent summary!
Apex Predator #213063 November 9, 2020 12:20 pm 2
Anyone that takes a simple concept and makes it significantly harder to understand by using esoteric and arcane academic language is not someone you want to hitch your wagon to whatsoever. They are either elitists or posers, it is lose-lose. (See: Curtis Yarvin)
Falcone #213068 November 9, 2020 12:29 pm 3
You just said it better than I tried some months back Which is what I feel about Kevin MacDonald, although I agree with him. Wraps everything up in academic jargon where no one needs any of that to know what shitbirds are the ((()))
Vizzini #212975 November 9, 2020 9:41 am 3
Modern civilization and affluence has entirely reversed that dynamic, and all the maladies mentioned in this post are a consequence of ongoing and worsening DNA pollution. Someone on this site in just the past week was saying that evolution didn’t work on a timescale short enough to include peoples’ selection of socio-political organization. I didn’t know how to respond without being rude.
Educated.redneck #213001 November 9, 2020 10:42 am 5
The French managed to shave off everything to the right of the Jacobins for 230 years (and counting) with the National Razor. The Russians managed to literally r@pe to death whatever was left of the national character of Germany. The Mongols, etc. etc. Vizzini, whoever was saying that is historically illiterate, or maybe just regular illiterate.
TomA #213004 November 9, 2020 10:42 am 7
Wasting disease is found in deer populations that inhabit man-made environments devoid of predators as opposed to their natural environment of routine culling predation. This change happened in a relatively short time span. Why should our species be any different?
RoBG #213147 November 9, 2020 2:43 pm 1
The deer explosion (at least where I am) happened due to the elimination of predators by the 19thC. combined with the clearing of the forests for agriculture and housing. More forage=more deer. Also a decline in hunting. We still have the system where if someone hits one with a car, the cops will distribute the meat to the poor.
Ben the Layabout #213239 November 9, 2020 5:32 pm -2
What! Don’t you believe that Man is different from the animals, created specially by God and therefore not subject to those nasty laws of nature? Adjust as needed for the modern secular religion Egalitarianism and you have an equivalent delusion.
skeptic16 #213019 November 9, 2020 11:04 am 1
They should read “The 10,000 Year Explosion”.
CompscI #213031 November 9, 2020 11:15 am 2
Agree. One assumes a needed change to DNA in order to cause a socio-political change downstream. Why not an underlying—existing—DNA proclivity now asserting itself due to environmental change? Epigenetic?Here’s a somewhat similar example. We have several Indian Nations in AZ. Hopi tribe is perhaps the worse people in the world for obesity and diabetes. 200 years ago, they had none of these maladies. What happened? Reservations, change from hunter-gatherer lifestyle, and 20th century processed fatty, sugary faux food.This has been researched, even written about. Last I heard however, those brave enough to research such have been cast into the void.
Drew #213261 November 9, 2020 6:45 pm 0
A lot of evolutionists tend to paint with a broader brush than the paradigm permits. At it’s root, evolution is simply a change in DNA that permanently alters a physical characteristic of a species. By definition, it is not a response to the alteration of an environment. By the most scientific understanding of the term, no political system evolves at all, it simply changes. While evolution is a fascinating scientific concept about the serendipitous alteration of DNA sequences as a result of procreation, it literally is nothing more than that, so extending the concept to sociology, or dating, or politics is incredibly stupid.
TomA #213057 November 9, 2020 12:09 pm 4
Since I’ve broken the taboo and not been banned, I will press my case. If we continue down this road of ever-increasing technology based complexity and faux (read unearned) affluence, the species (in theory) will homogenize into a few archetypes and morph into an insect-like hive model. This will likely include an elite ruling cadre, a sycophant coterie (MSM), an entropic bureaucracy, worker drones, and Jackboots to keep the drones in line. And this change must occur slowly and incrementally lest the peasants revolt when their future becomes apparent.
DLS #213130 November 9, 2020 2:09 pm 2
It kind of feels like we are already there.
Bill Mullins #213384 November 10, 2020 10:20 am 0
Works for me. Sounds like 1973’s “Hellstrom’s Hive” by Frank Herbert. Got a copy in my library. Have to get it out and revisit it.Then again I’m reminded of Robert A. Heinlein’s sage words regarding specialization                    ;A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
Deshawn #213293 November 9, 2020 9:56 pm 0
Ah, more evolution cures!
Hun #212946 November 9, 2020 9:08 am 27
This is why it is OK that Trump lost (fair or by cheating, doesn’t matter). He has served his purpose, which was exposing the hatred the elites have for commoners and the complete corruption of the system. There is not much more he would have done over the next 4 years. The enemy owns the system and they are progressing with or without their man the the top political post.The dissident right now needs reinvigorate itself and take advantage of this exposure.
Peabody #212962 November 9, 2020 9:26 am 12
I’m coming around to this view. Everything got worse under Trump, not necessarily his fault, and now we have 2 odious creatures who will inadvertently or maliciously reveal the plot and red pill normiecons whether they like it or not. Plus Trump could actually follow thru with the network rumor which, God willing, isn’t a gatekeeping limited hangout. We’ll know if Z-man and Jared Taylor get their own prime time show.
skeptic16 #212991 November 9, 2020 10:30 am 12
One interesting aspect is that Netanyahu congratulated Biden. Trump has since unfollowed Netanyahu on Twitter. The Israel worshipers at FreeRepublic are beside themselves.
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213018 November 9, 2020 11:02 am 8
Netanyahu thinks that a Biden-Harris presidency would be better for Israel? It gives the lie that the Democrats are anti-semitic. A few are, but the Party as a whole is staunchly pro-Israel. Democratic politicians are bought just like Republican politicians are. AIPAC would lose influence under the Democrats to JStreet. Either way, Israel always wins.The Israel worshippers must be torn between their fidelity to the US and what they thought was our bestest friend Israel. They loved Netanyahu, too.
RoBG #213103 November 9, 2020 1:19 pm 4
Trump wouldn’t give him the wars in Syria and Iran that he wants. Look at who’s advising Biden now, and who actively worked to sabotage his reelection. It’s a “who’s who” of Bush-era neocons and Israel-first partisans.
Rwc1963 #213309 November 10, 2020 2:10 am 0
Bingo!!! You nailed the reason why Bibi shanked Trump.
ChicagoRodent #213104 November 9, 2020 1:20 pm 3
Netanyahu’s advisors believe Biden-Harris have won and this result will sustain. Trump is yet another has-been to bibi.
Alzaebo #213174 November 9, 2020 3:24 pm 0
The J own the Democrat party, including the BDS controlled opposition. They are what I mean when I coyly state “a radical faction takes over control of the traditional majority party”, the point of politics.
Ben the Layabout #213248 November 9, 2020 5:47 pm 0
Ilhan Omar is not a representative Democrat. In fact I would Hazard a guess that there is one policy position that she and us would agree on. 😎
Alzaebo #213297 November 9, 2020 10:45 pm 0
Layabout, Omar is their creature, lock, stock, and barrel.
Rwc1963 #213310 November 10, 2020 2:13 am 0
She’s a Muslim first and foremost. Her real loyalty is to the Ummah and not some greasy Jew or some party of stupid rich whites like Pelosi and Whitmer.
ChicagoRodent #213102 November 9, 2020 1:18 pm 3
Trump unfollowed both Netanyahu and another Israeli politician. At present, these are the only folks that he has unfollowed and they are both Israelis.
Alzaebo #213176 November 9, 2020 3:31 pm 1
Used, then under the bus: Klan (Star Wars stormtroopers, 1912 version)Temperance ladiesJFKUnionsStanding militaryThe USSRRed Chips (Chinese investment)Black Civil RightsGOP neocons You just can’t maintain a civilization when spoilers are running the show.
Alzaebo #213178 November 9, 2020 3:32 pm 1
Oops- forgot: the Federal Reserve Note
ChicagoRodent #213250 November 9, 2020 5:48 pm 1
Daylight Savings Time – straight to work and afterwards the darkness
Alzaebo #213170 November 9, 2020 3:19 pm 0
He might be more useful as a martyr, I believe this may indeed be his current strategy. His message changed when the GOP and elites steamrolled him into accepting their campaign professionals.
Dr. Dre #213202 November 9, 2020 4:40 pm 1
I thought this the other day, too. Second terms have not been kind to any Presidents I can think of, even if they resulted from landslide victories. Lincoln? Woodrow Wilson? Ike? Nixon? Bill Clinton? I can’t get myself to spit out the name or identifying initial of that jerkwater Baby Bush and his lackluster two-term presidency; last but not least, it was Barack Obama’s second term that made Donald Trump possible, as others have noted. FDR health failings were covered for by the media, much as the situation today. WWII made it unpatriotic to change horses in mid-stream, blah blah, and FDR was an awesome liar — the best! Get this — he was only in his sixties when he died!
Bill Mullins #213413 November 10, 2020 10:45 am 0
Get this — [FDR] was only in his sixties when he died!63 to be exact. I was gonna call bullshit but you’re right. FDR was only 63 when he died and barely (March 4 – April 12) that. Damn. He could have easily passed for someone in his 70s. Hell, he wasn’t quite 51 when he first took office. Who says “Only the good die young”?
Joey Jünger #212963 November 9, 2020 9:27 am 23
The 2016 election was the first time in my lifetime (and maybe the last) that anything even close to the will of the people was addressed in rhetoric, if not in substance. The elite obviously found it horrifying and took steps to prevent a repeat. The few remaining genuinely civic-minded journalists are convinced Silicon Valley overplayed their hand by censoring The New York Post because it’s a 200 year-old newspaper. Big deal. America is a little older than that and it’s toast. They got away with it. Bob is dead. Forget it, Jack. It’s Chinatown.
Evil Sandmich #212940 November 9, 2020 8:43 am 21
Not too long ago I had a conversation with my sister-in-law where she made a remark like “huh, that cold war was a pretty big deal wasn’t it?” “WTF?”, I thought, but then realized she was just young enough that she didn’t sit through endless nuclear war apocalypse-porn movies (Terminator being perhaps the most well known), school teachers talking about how Reagan was going to blow up the planet, and a legitimate fear that some political situation in within the opaque Soviet government would cause them to pour across the West German border to put an end to their political enemies.At the time the cold war ended I was very happy, no longer would the civil air raid siren herald in the end times and, especially, the good people had won. The Cold War couldn’t go on forever, but in the end victory defeated us.
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #212954 November 9, 2020 9:18 am 20
I think that’s one reason for the growing support for communism and avowed atheism throughout the West. A tail-end Boomer like myself remembers the “Evil Empire” and “godless communism.” Communism’s promises never panned out, what with long lines to purchase consumer goods, gulags and high-ranking individuals fleeing with just the clothes on their backs.There’s more of an obviously racial element involved, as well. Jews have always been heavily involved in communism (Hillaire Belloc called bolshevism “a jewish movement” in his book The Jews), but there are reinforcements coming from other non-White groups. I think that blacks had no interest in communism back in the 1930s (correct me if I’m wrong), but BLM is an avowed Marxist movement. Their Marxism is probably pretty basic – kill Whitey and take their stuff. Marxism justifies what they want to do anyway.
Vizzini #212976 November 9, 2020 9:45 am 20
The cancelling of Solzhenitsyn was due to his unmentionable association of Jews with Soviet communism. But what would Solzhenitsyn know about it, right?
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213281 November 9, 2020 8:19 pm 0
Solzhenitsyn wrote a bookTwo Hundred Years Togetherregarding the history of jews in Russia, but it was only partially published in English.
Vizzini #212977 November 9, 2020 9:46 am 4
Approval required for my comment about the great Soviet dissident? Really?
Apex Predator #213066 November 9, 2020 12:27 pm 2
Maybe the J word? Moderation filter has been a little touch in the last 72 hours just FYI. I got flagged for some unknown reason in another post so it isn’t just you.
3g4me #213000 November 9, 2020 10:41 am 8
Don’t have links and details, but quite a few of the more successful blacks (i.e. in movies and education) were very attracted to Marxism in the early years. Check out Paul Robeson. Marxism was/is the product of an aggrieved race so it suits noggers to a T.
Falcone #213039 November 9, 2020 11:27 am 9
Blacks have a natural affinity for prison and plantations, should explain the fondness for communism
Dr. Dre #213198 November 9, 2020 4:25 pm 1
Blacks such as Robeson (huge talent as opera star) were fawned over visiting USSR and shown “Potemkin” villages full of goodies and happy workers — with no racial prejudice! Don’t forget Barack Obama’s mentor/father “figure” was a real commie of the old school and editor of a newsletter directed at communist sympathizers who worked the docks in Hawai’i. Associate of Harry Bridges. Lots of interracial “sexing” went on, too, to break down normal allegiance for one’s own background and they invented the word “racism” to use against anyone who objected to this practice.
Ostei Kozelskii #213203 November 9, 2020 4:43 pm 6
The only thing the Nuggras understand about Marxism is that it’s taking from YT and giving to them, and that’s more than enough to inflame their enthusiasm.
Ben the Layabout #213245 November 9, 2020 5:39 pm 2
You give too much credit to Marx. What you just described as the basic behavior of One Tribe against another dating back to the dawn of prehistory, in fact that behavior is observed in other primates even up to the present time.
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213282 November 9, 2020 8:21 pm 1
Marxism is an intellectual justification for what blacks want to do anyway. They don’t want to publicly admit that they are simply greedy and jealous of Whites.
ChrisZ #212982 November 9, 2020 9:54 am 7
“…in the end victory defeated us.”That’s a good way of staying it, Sandmich. It ties in with the point that having a powerful, long term enemy keeps a society sober, focused, and impatient with corrosive nonsense. It keeps decision making in the hands of men, and those generations that are mature and experienced, but still actively engaged in life. That’s the opposite of our present age, governed by the immature (not necessarily young) and those who’ve entered sentimental, even self-centered old age (and soon senility).I would add that theprosecutionof the Cold War is also implicated in our present troubles. It’s clear to me now that many of the societal ideas that were promoted as virtues to distinguish The West from Soviet Communism only served to distort the American idea of society.In retrospect, the idea that America should be generously open to immigrants was only promoted as a virtue to heighten the contrast to a Soviet Union that wouldn’t let anyone out; there was no “objective” reason to see that as a good policy, and in fact America had held quite a different policy prior to the Cold War. We embraced it as a part of our rivalry with the Soviets; but now they’re gone and the policy is irrationally ingrained in our national psyche.
Evil Sandmich #213047 November 9, 2020 11:42 am 6
I admit that I stole the line from The Dark Knight (“Peace has cost you your strength, Victory has defeated you”):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdM46G984vwGiven the not subtle message of the movie, the line probably means exactly what we think it means.
The Wild Geese Howard #213006 November 9, 2020 10:44 am 5
For several months I’ve thought the deluge of zombie popular media during the past two decades was predictive programming for Beer Flu.
Chet Rollins #212953 November 9, 2020 9:17 am 16
Facebook was relentlessly gaslighting about how secure American elections are and suppressing your most basic right-wing memes.Normies are now abandoning Facebook and Twitter for Parler.While not the best choice, and the only good choice will be some sort of blockchain-based censorproof forum, a lot of what Facebook and Twitter are tasked with now is giving legitimacy to an obviously corrupt system.If even your basic civnat is leaving the hostile digital sphere for another, two parallel societies will slowly form. If the rural-urban divide keeps becoming more stratified, people will continue to segregate until a good portion of the country can just laugh at and ignore what is happening in Washington.Everyone is encouraged to support any shitlord who gets elected or openly flaunts Washington D.C.Support your local warlord.
The Wild Geese Howard #212966 November 9, 2020 9:29 am 10
Gab is a better alternative than Parler.
Chet Rollins #212972 November 9, 2020 9:35 am 4
Agreed and I love Torba’s work, but Gab is not normie friendly.
Federalist #212980 November 9, 2020 9:50 am 1
but Gab is not normie friendly. Why not?
Chet Rollins #212988 November 9, 2020 9:59 am 13
The average user is too hard-right for your average mom with a few kids who is right wing enough to hate Facebook but emotionally not ready for full race-realism.
ChicagoRodent #213107 November 9, 2020 1:29 pm 7
Because normies cannot handle free speech. They want their comfort blanket.
Alzaebo #213191 November 9, 2020 3:54 pm 0
So far, a couple stabs at Gab look like Breitbart married Stormfront.
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213284 November 9, 2020 8:36 pm 1
There are neo-Nazis on Gab and that’s a huge turnoff. On the other hand, Z posts there, too.
Mockingbird #213199 November 9, 2020 4:25 pm 2
Has anyone heard of a new Faceplant alternative called MeWe? My wife is signing up there, as well as Parler.
Ostei Kozelskii #213257 November 9, 2020 6:14 pm 1
MeWe sounds like a nonagenarian urinary accident.
thezman #213270 November 9, 2020 7:18 pm 4
https://mewe.com/home/static/Mark-Weinstein-Founder-CEO-of-MeWe.pdf
Ris_Eruwaedhiel #213285 November 9, 2020 8:37 pm 1
Can tell he is (((one))) of them just by looking at his face.
Ostei Kozelskii #213289 November 9, 2020 9:41 pm 2
You’d never guess by his name, though…
Vizzini #212983 November 9, 2020 9:54 am 19
I already find it difficult to believe my local good ‘ol boy rural sheriff will participate in any scheme to round up or disarm dissidents, and the state police simply aren’t capable of going door to door here in the hills, no less the feds. At some point, big parts of the country are already or will become ungovernable by the far-away urban elites. Even stuff like the mask mandates are all but ignored. Like Soviets, we put on acts of official compliance when The Man is looking our way, but flaunt him in private.
B125 #212998 November 9, 2020 10:39 am 15
Soros will just pick em off 1 by 1 they’ve already proven they can rig any election. Plus refugee resettlement and mass immigration will resume, rigging the vote that way too
Vizzini #213017 November 9, 2020 11:02 am 7
My entire county has only about 35,000 people but you could lose most big cities within its boundaries. At some point you start to reach “community” level and Soros’ tricks simply won’t work. The sheriff isn’t a personal friend of mine, but there’s only one or two degrees of separation.
Alzaebo #213192 November 9, 2020 3:56 pm 1
Quietly, every white person east of Albuquerque seems to have stopped wearing masks.
Bill Mullins #213435 November 10, 2020 11:07 am 0
Come the 20th of January next year that’ll change. Bet on it. Face diapers will have aFEDERALmandate behind them.
sentry #213048 November 9, 2020 11:45 am 5
Soros will just pick em off 1 by 1 they’ve already proven they can rig any election. Plus refugee resettlement and mass immigration will resume,plus they wanna destroy the economy to get everyone hooked on social credit/food stamps, so that the population can become dependent on the government.
RoBG #213116 November 9, 2020 1:51 pm 2
Think of how uninformed Normie is now. Wait until the next level of internet censorship kicks in.
skeptic16 #213016 November 9, 2020 10:59 am 10
We need a smart secession movement. The feds do not have anywhere near enough people to handle more than a small (single digit) percentage not cooperating. Their major means of control is the banking system and, I suppose, the no-fly list.
The Wild Geese Howard #213027 November 9, 2020 11:12 am 9
It’s going to be barter, bullion, and bills for Red areas going forward. Cheap and easy air travel will be over.
Ben the Layabout #213265 November 9, 2020 6:54 pm 2
“Cash, ass, gas or grass, nobody rides for free.” 😀
Bill Mullins #213438 November 10, 2020 11:10 am 0
Some State Senator-elect here in Texas has already pre-filed a bill to legalize pot. Me? I just don’t give a damn any more.
Moss #213058 November 9, 2020 12:10 pm 5
All finance, gov regulation / taxation, and insurance are self-enforcing systems entrapping White people. Coupled with the general population’s sheep-like behavior ensures these systems enjoy unchallenged compliance.I keep expecting the harsh reality of the NOW to shake folks awake. But people love their chains it seems.
Screwtape #213096 November 9, 2020 1:11 pm 4
It is telling how the “vote” is like everything else in the end: data.Notice how quickly how the precious kernel of Democracy is reduced to two states of being: media narrative and big data.The story is about the will of the people but the fight will be made into one of data. We don’t own our data. The end.All those votes were googled into property of one corporation or the other. Once cast into the system, digitized into electrons of liberty, the end user agreement says who owns it.The adjudication of what comes next then becomes one of moral storytelling and lawyered-up techno arbitration.Sorry Citizen, all your vote are belong to us. Try again in four years.
Ben the Layabout #213267 November 9, 2020 6:58 pm 1
“You can fall for chains of silver,You can fall for chains of gold,You can fall for pretty strangers,And the promises they hold”— Dire Straits
Apex Predator #213077 November 9, 2020 12:37 pm 16
I could force mandatory buyback compliance for any registered gun owner within a few days at max. skeptic, below, mentioned this but didn’t expand on why.1) Take list of registered firearm owners2) Take list to banks3) Tell banks to FREEZE accounts until compliance with new federal law is accepted4) Cucked and pozzed BLM supporting (((Banks))) gladly comply w/ new federal mandate5) You are now shut off from your money hence your livelihood.6) The vast majority of people even ‘muh Constitution’ and ‘muh guns’ are f-cking LARPers who will go along to get along7) Most guns are now safely removed from circulation with the unregistered / kits being a fraction of what is out there.8) Gulag away!Easy peasy, if this sounds like a blackpill or far fetched you clearly havenotbeen paying attention for the last 4 years and especially since last Tuesday.
Vizzini #213083 November 9, 2020 12:48 pm 6
No, I don’t think it sounds far-fetched, at all. I have planned for dealing with that.
Evil Sandmich #213111 November 9, 2020 1:34 pm 3
When having a “boating accident” with your guns, just make sure they “sink” on someone’s property other than your own.
ChicagoRodent #213113 November 9, 2020 1:44 pm 3
Me too. Problem being I am more likely than you are, Vizzini, to use one of my firearms for self-defense given where I live. That’s when my plans break down because I will be sent to die in prison and forfeit my assets for non-compliance. But if I do not use my firearms then what was the point in having them and incurring the associated risks?
CompscI #213114 November 9, 2020 1:44 pm 9
Apex, I was just about to comment on your post line by line as to why such was unconstitutional and how it would not stand up to judicial scrutiny and such. Then I caught myself, like an alcoholic almost falling off the wagon. 😉 Then I reminded myself, “This is not 1950! The Constitution is long gone.” Bad habits are hard to break.
3g4me #213121 November 9, 2020 1:58 pm 4
Compsci, kudos to you for how far you’ve come. You used to respond reflexively in that old fashion (my husband did the same), but you’ve definitely learned. It’s hateful and horrible to have to teach oneself and one’s children that everything is a lie and nothing save God can be trusted, but realityis.
RoBG #213118 November 9, 2020 1:53 pm 5
Just wait until they get rid of cash altogether. They’re already making those noises.
abprosper #213253 November 9, 2020 6:03 pm 2
That is a nasty hypothetical.Let me counter, there are enough people at State and Local level on both sides who would oppose that with succession or force to make that chancy . Besides tools . knowledge to make firearms and already made ammo are easy to get.A homemade suppressed SMG is more effective than an AR in many situations. Not legal so don’t go be making them now but you get the picture If YOU and I mean YOU won’t hunt when people are starving your and your family to death you deserve what you get even if they don’t. Death is better.Also stockpile food while you can, the system even in peacetime is becoming brittle.Historically this type of overt comply or starve warfare often makes sure that soft targets will be hit and hard,Its fine and good to make war on peoples families but organized society isn’t much fun when you are terrified you kids and grand kids will end up in a political Red Room somewhereGo read Sipsey Street Irregularsfor this(back from 2010) basically at that point there are no limits on target or tactics, Its the Rwanda part of Bosnia X Rwanda.All the opprobrium you’d face from your side for dirty tactics would be gone as well not that dirty warfare is a large group thing.And as for the media opinion. It only matters now while thinsg are OK. At that point the fact you breath makes you worse than Hitler and even Clinton knew enough to know the media is a war time target (c.f the Clinton Doctrine)
Rwc1963 #213315 November 10, 2020 4:29 am 1
Well put.The Feds have no idea of the hornets nest they would kick over by doing such a act,e
Ben the Layabout #213263 November 9, 2020 6:48 pm 2
“flout” = to show contempt or disdain; “flaunt” = to show off. Well ok, you can flaunt in private, but no one will notice Actually, you’re not wholly wrong, since to flout implies to openly mock something.Of course the “Wicked government agents will confiscate guns and round up dissidents” is an important plot element in many scenarios, and certainly is possible. However, it is also problematic. All but the craziest tyranny is usually pragmatic. If those in power have what they want (power at least), and the rabble in the hinterlands have guns, so what? Unless they pose some type of opposition or threat to those in power, what reason would those in power have in attacking them, especially if it would be costly in terms of time, power, lives of henchmen, etc?
Lucius Sulla #213189 November 9, 2020 3:52 pm 6
Anecdotal, but I am seeing a serious shift in CivNats. My wife and her fellow conservative suburban friends with whom she networks are angry. Until Tuesday, they believed America was good. Now they see something being stolen from them, being covered up by the MSM, and even Fox News turning on them. They are boycotting Fox News, moving off of Twitter and Facebook, etc.Since my thesis is that the ruling class is as incompetent as it is nefarious, I think they have misread things a bit and have overplayed their hand. I think they believed their propaganda organs would get everyone in line. The opposite is happening – just about every single one of Trump’s 70 million voters now believe something is being stolen from them – not just an election but their country and way of life. They are coming to the realization that the whole system and society is corrupt beyond any possibility of reform.Huge opportunity for the DR.
B125 #213223 November 9, 2020 5:08 pm 2
They assume American whites are the same as European and Canadian whites. “Official media sources” could declare that the sky is green and Canadian whites would gobble it up. American whites are the only white population with a critical mass of badwhites (55% in USA, 15% in Canada). When someone is bullshitting me, I say fuck you and point a middle finger right back, and do the opposite just to spite. Stubborn bastards. The elites don’t seem to understand this reaction, or calculate for it.
Charles the Okay #213275 November 9, 2020 7:36 pm 4
Seems to be a lot more examples of violent demonstrations in Europe than North America.When was the last time you had violent demonstrations by whites in the US opposing the elites?For Europe the answer would be: today.
abprosper #213300 November 9, 2020 11:00 pm 2
Not true at all. The Yellow Vests (Gillete Juanes) rioted and protested on a scale never seen in the US.There were millions of them all over France in the street clashing with police and they were all Les Deplorables not City Commies.There are also as Charles the Okay noted a lot of protests in Europe ongoing right now.Our media ignores this because it doesn’t suit the narrative.The Us doesn’t have any real sense of national identity do to its size and diversity.Even Bad Whites despite decades of WN attempts do not have a monolithic identity.This is logical in that the US is an entire continent pretending to be a country. Its properly Whites only here at least 11 nations , possibly more.This combined with our nonsensical ideas of individualism do to our creation during the age of enlightenemnt and our atomized lifestyles do to capitalism and mobility and we have the recipe for lack of identity or cooperation on large scale.This is subject to rapid change and is changing however but truth is as modernity goes collective living in the tribal sense will reoccur as will such delights as collective liability, collective punishment and guilt by association on the Right not just the Left.
Alzaebo #213190 November 9, 2020 3:52 pm 2
Hate twitter:“The J**s understand that if the healthy parts of the country were to separate and form an independent country they would very soon be able to re-take the diseased parts Which is why the J**s will never allow it”
ChicagoRodent #213247 November 9, 2020 5:46 pm 1
Concur. They want juice and slaves. Once they had achieved this dichotomy they would promptly establish a caste system within juicery until they destroy themselves.
JR Wirth #213020 November 9, 2020 11:08 am 15
Liberal democracy’s biggest problem is that it can never say “no.” So when man in sun dress walks into a city council meeting to demand a right, he’s never abruptly cut off with the mayor saying “get the hell out of here you degenerate!” Because liberal democracy can never say no, it’s been saying “yes” to every new program to come down the road, to a point where our private sector is crowded out (socialism..it’s already here) and where employees of bloated bureaucracies, to keep the gravy train going, perpetuate the insanity. Also, all kinds of government grants and assistance and subsidies take a citizen who once would have spoken his or her mind to power and makes him or her complicity silent. Even Medicare and Social Security are perfect examples of this. The death of liberal democracy is when the bread runs out for the circus. However, in a post Bretton-Woods environment, there’s no brakes on this either. The bread will never run out, it’ll simply become inedible.
Judge Smails #213122 November 9, 2020 1:58 pm 7
They never say no to the man in the sun dress but they have no problem telling the normal, sober minded citizen who dares to ask legitimate but uncomfortable questions to FOAD.
Guest #213167 November 9, 2020 3:14 pm 2
Yes, because we don’t riot.We don’t get real.We didn’t keep it real.
Guest #213166 November 9, 2020 3:13 pm 2
It says No to us all the time.It gave us a big No last week. Maybe the man in the Dress is just more of a man than us.
Ben the Layabout #213271 November 9, 2020 7:21 pm 1
Was it Margaret Thatcher who famously said (more or less) “The trouble with socialism is eventually there is nothing to redistribute any more?”
Citizen of a Silly Country #212985 November 9, 2020 9:56 am 15
Yes, this push for everyone to vote is interesting, but it’s related to our deification of democracy. Not voting is like not going to church in a theocracy, and we most certainly life in a theocracy. 51% of the vote = The Truth But as I pointed out to a relative this weekend, democracy loses its legitimacy (if not its authority) when one group no longer views the entire country’s population as “their” people. At that point, democracy becomes tyranny.
Alzaebo #213197 November 9, 2020 4:24 pm 0
My TDS bf wasn’t lied to, no, he Believes. Nobody had to fool him. “Why?” I keep thinking. Then I noticed: Hate feels like love to them. The Inversion. Everything they see in their mind seems to flip upside down. A circuit switch of some kind. It feels right, and good, and can be flipped again at need. ****** It appears virtue signalling is tribalism, the instinct to tribe up, to seek and find birds of a feather. And callous to outsiders or consequences.
SixxSigma #213056 November 9, 2020 12:07 pm 14
Oh, I’m a good old rebel,Now that’s just what I am,And for this yankee nation,I do not give a damn.I’m glad I fought a ganner,I only wish we won.I ain’t asked any pardon for anything I’ve done.I hates the yankee nation and everything they do.I hates the declaration of independence, too.I hates the glorious union, t’is dripping with our blood.I hates the striped banner, and fit it all I could.I rode with Robert E. LeeFor three years, thereabout.Got wounded in four places,And I starved at point lookout.I catched the rheumatismA campin’ in the snow.But I killed a chance of YankeesAnd I’d like to kill some more.Three hundred thousand YankeesIs stiff in southern dust.We got three hundred thousandBefore they conquered usThey died of Southern FeverAnd southern steel and shotI wish there were 3 millionInstead of what we got.I can’t pick up my musketAnd fight ‘um down no moreBut I ain’t gonna love ‘umNow that is certain sureAnd I don’t want no pardonFor what I was and amI won’t be reconstructedAnd I do not give a damnOh, I’m a good old rebel,Now that’s just what I am,And for this yankee nation,I do not give a damn.I’m glad I fought a ganner,I only wish we won.I ain’t asked any pardon for anything I’ve done.
Moss #213059 November 9, 2020 12:17 pm 6
Amen.“Then conquer we must, for our cause is just. Victory or death.”
Falcone #213065 November 9, 2020 12:22 pm 5
Amen and God Bless !
Guest #213162 November 9, 2020 3:10 pm -3
You are in an age of ancient voters the most ancient of all. Gaze upon our future, our best possible future for our great great grandchildren – dreaming of wars centuries past we lost. Except they won’t exist, nor any memory that any America ever existed.
T. Morris #212947 November 9, 2020 9:08 am 14
Say whut?! You do realize that if you refuse to participate in the sham elections, you have no right to complain about anything, right?
Hun #212952 November 9, 2020 9:16 am 8
Why? Do you have to take some meth to be able to complain about druggies in the city?
T. Morris #212964 November 9, 2020 9:27 am 18
I was just being a wise ass, bro.
Hun #212967 November 9, 2020 9:31 am 9
Excuse my density. Sarcasm is sometimes not obvious in written form, though in the context of this blog it should have been…
Glenfilthie #212979 November 9, 2020 9:50 am 7
Agreed.Our esteemed blog host has not only missed the mark here, he’s screwed the pooch and shat the bed!If all a vote is, is a flip of the middle finger at Lefty… yeah, I’ll take half a day off work and go down and vote. If all it does is counter some pink haired 400 lb. lesbian‘s vote… it’s a good deal. If all it does is make it harder for some low IQ black baboon work harder to rig the vote…I’m in!👍Yes, those cretins ARE evil people and we shouldn’t dismiss that or minimize it. They’re rigging the vote because most of them hate you so much, they’d kill you and take your chit if they could. The BLM naggers are doing that on a weekly basis now. That horse faced clot headed cnut, AOC – wants lists of Blumpf supporters so that punitive action can be taken against them later on. How many of you are posting at Gab because you can’t sound off on Twatter or Bookface? How many of you have had your families ruined by shitlib women with their ridiculous ideas of feminism and social justice? Or by queers or degenerates?Yes, these people ARE evil and to hate them isn’t partisan at all. In the days ahead it will be a coping and self defence mechanism. We could have stood up to this shite ages ago. We need to stand up to it now. Lefty is now trampling on your rights in broad daylight, in your face, and promises you more. It’s only going to get worse.Hmmmmmm. Could our dissidence be a mere intermediate step as we transition to partisanship?
Rwc1963 #213311 November 10, 2020 2:26 am 0
Spot on! Z messed up on this post. Voting does matter at least on the local level. Anything to make the Left work harder, spend more money etc. Is a good thing.Just sitting at home and doing nothing as Z advocates isn;t a strategy at all. It’s capitulation.And yeah the DR is merely transistory. It will change as life gets harder for whites.
Bill Mullins #213416 November 10, 2020 10:47 am 0
I can complain about anything I want to, thank you very much. I don’tneedyour permission. Besides, ain’t no sense in complaining; ain’t nobody listening anyhow.
Leonard E Herr #212957 November 9, 2020 9:20 am 13
The oscillation increases in both frequency and intensity before the bridge collapses.
thezman #212974 November 9, 2020 9:36 am 9
Aeroelastic flutter is a cruel wind.
Dutch #213014 November 9, 2020 10:58 am 5
Yup, the swings get wider and faster until someone or something steps back to let things settle. In this frenzied age, who is going to step back? In the absence of cooler heads, only a catastrophic collapse of the whole thing will stop the swings, which now appears to be our most likely outcome, IMHO.
skeptic16 #213052 November 9, 2020 11:52 am 12
I’d like to see Trump do a document dump of all the crap the federal government has been involved with – 9/11, JFK assassination, USS Liberty, the color revolutions, financial system bailouts, Pearl Harbor, Israeli spying and interference etc. Scorched earth/Samson Option.
Felix Krull #213100 November 9, 2020 1:17 pm 7
He’s more likely to do a document dump on all the “white supremists” who’ve been shitposting on sites like this.
RoBG #213134 November 9, 2020 2:22 pm 3
He’s the one that restricted the release of certain of the JFK docs which were to have been released in 2018. He cited “national security concerns.”
Rich #213196 November 9, 2020 4:20 pm 1
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/donald-trump-jr-declassify-everything
Ben the Layabout #213272 November 9, 2020 7:25 pm 1
It’s a common misconception that just being a high ranking official, even President, gets you access to sensitve data. Nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of stuff is so classified even the classifcation terms are classified 🙂
Falcone #213025 November 9, 2020 11:10 am 12
Brings to mind scenes of a pro football game You have the total fanatical crazies in the stands with halloween costumes on screaming for their teams and shaking their fists in an ice storm, hurling beer bottles at the opposing team Then you have the quiet family of four sitting as if in church all wrapped up in ski coats and mittens and a wool cap with the team logo You would think the latter would be a better fit to decide the fate of society. But NOPE. We got the crazies making the decisions.
Guest #213228 November 9, 2020 5:14 pm 2
That’s because the Ruling Class decided the small hats weren’t dangerous. Even J privately and on Taki publicly despair.
Stranger in a strange land #213026 November 9, 2020 11:11 am 11
The hard, cold truth:“…The sober-minded had the primary duty of keeping the frivolous under control. Once that was removed, the frivolous and insane were free to run wild through society…”
Pursuvant #212936 November 9, 2020 7:57 am 10
Maybe the importation of replacements can end, now that the ((())) & team can steal in plain sight with no consequences. Never will they lose another election, starting with GA senate runoff. My spell checker doesn’t seem to be working, is it “Amerazuela” or “Amerizooela” ?
JustaProle #212938 November 9, 2020 8:29 am 24
I believe it is spelled “Zimbabwe”
Pursuvant #212943 November 9, 2020 9:02 am 16
I think there’s a glitch in my Apple synaptic implant from the C-19 vaccine, keeps flipping everything to biden
Glenfilthie #212959 November 9, 2020 9:21 am 9
C’mon, man!
JustaProle #212987 November 9, 2020 9:57 am 14
No worries we’ll get you fixed right up! The WSJ leaks miraculously the Monday after election that Pfizer’s poison, er um, vaccine, for the common cold, er um, covid, has a 90% efficacy. Amazing!
B125 #212994 November 9, 2020 10:34 am 4
Take your water vaccine, and the col– I mean covid disease is magically cured!
James OMeara #213074 November 9, 2020 12:36 pm 5
Well, since the disease doesn’t exist, I’m surprised it isn’t 100% They could get the same results with Coue’s “Everyday in every way I’m getting better and better.”
CompscI #213119 November 9, 2020 1:57 pm 8
That too. All that is needed is a sycophant MSM and the disease disappears. The MSM will carry water for the explanation of continuing cases—and a few deaths now and then—as those poor unfortunate 10%, or the assholes refusing vaccine who deserve such. But all you “smart” people who took the vaccine are safe and can go out again thanks to Biden and his decision to follow “science”. Yep, people are that stupid.
pozymandias #213133 November 9, 2020 2:21 pm 13
In certain parts of Wisconsin and Michigan the vaccine cures 124% of the infections.
CompscI #213005 November 9, 2020 10:44 am 7
I have not looked it up, but if so (90% effective) I believe it would make it unique among vaccines.
Screwtape #213011 November 9, 2020 10:53 am 22
Will be interesting to watch all the Whole Foods progs who have kept their precious kids off of the evil and toxic GMO apples over the years line up to have them injected with a secret sauce that genetically modifies their cells to pump out sars rna.
James OMeara #213076 November 9, 2020 12:37 pm 7
Proof that what matters to them isn’t “science” but virtue signaling.
pozymandias #213138 November 9, 2020 2:29 pm 7
It must be tough to be a proggie. There’s always a lot of new “information” to digest and this week’s can contradict last week’s. I’m sure they’ll all be much happier when they can just download all the correct opinions through their iPhone into their iPerson brain implant chip.
Bill Mullins #213326 November 10, 2020 8:27 am 1
It must be tough to be a proggie. There’s always a lot of new “information” to digest and this week’s can contradict last week’s. Nah. They have the Red Queen beat hands down when it comes to believing impossible things. Just as Progs can speak out of both sides of their mouth – at theSAME TIME– they can do what passes for thinking with both sides of their brain.
Peabody #213209 November 9, 2020 4:47 pm 5
Oh I know these people well. They are also for fluoride in the water supply because ‘poor’ (i.e., black) peoplecan’t afford tocan’t be bothered to take care of their children’s teeth. True story.
Falcone #213030 November 9, 2020 11:13 am 8
and that 90% has 20 footnotes and qualifiers in very small fine print
CompscI #213126 November 9, 2020 2:03 pm 3
Funny you should say that—well not funny, you post here at a high level. Heard a spokesman from Pfizer. He said 90% effective in that “symptoms minimized (no complications) and no deaths”. Sounded awfully like he was walking back the MSM raves. You can still get sicker than a dog. I also wonder if the current COVID strain is not weaker than the first wave, which would explain a lot of the current low mortality.
pozymandias #213150 November 9, 2020 2:51 pm 4
Actually that just sounds like what is already happening. A lot of the “cases” are just false positives so of course there are no symptoms. As for the lower death rate, this could simply be due to the fact that most of the people who were going to die from it died back in the spring. It also wouldn’t surprise me at all if virtually everyone has already been exposed to it by now and the current hysteria is all an attempt to prevent the arrival of what’s been here for months.In any case, I’m pretty sure the truth will only be known years from now if ever and will need to be translated into English because the medical and scientific professions in the anglophone world are morally bankrupt and utterly lacking in probity.It’s sad really because there was and is a serious health issue but the media and their scientific enablers have piled so many layers of hysterical horseshit on top that no one believes anything they say.But look on the bright side, they managed to finish discrediting the US election process because now we will probably never be able to get rid of mail-in ballots AND they managed to give America her first Undead-American and soon to be first Sex-Worker-American President!
Alzaebo #213295 November 9, 2020 10:16 pm 0
Wasn’t there an ‘S’ and and ‘L’ strain, one weaker and nonlethal? So the hosts don’t die, making a weakening spread, aka herd immunity. Nonetheless, I note near the bottom that they just announced the Pfizer HealthPass, proof of vaccination, will be required by air lines, cruise lines, and employer/insurers.
Ben the Layabout #213225 November 9, 2020 5:12 pm 3
Needless worrying. Vaccines are so safe 😈 that the federal government provides backstop Insurance because otherwise the companies couldn’t get liability coverage, just like the nuclear power industry and probably many other risky Ventures. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act
DLS #213136 November 9, 2020 2:28 pm 1
Yes, the flu vaccine varies from 20-60%. What they mean is 90% in a controlled lab environment with no mutated strains. My guess is 10-20% in the real world.
Dutch #213186 November 9, 2020 3:44 pm 3
Well, since 95% of the most vulnerable (over 70’s) and 99%+ survive overall, how does a “90% effectiveness rate” compute?
Bill Mullins #213323 November 10, 2020 8:21 am 0
A vaccine 90% effective on a virus with a 99.7% recovery rate. Wonder who’s getting the massive payday for this one? After all, as Deep throat put it, “Follow the money.”
ProZNoV #213040 November 9, 2020 11:28 am 3
Read that the vaccine hurts like a mo-fo. It’s been known to happen with some vaccines. Ask any Gulf State Liberation/democracy spreader/ freedom enhancing team warrior about his anthrax shot and watch them wince.
Guest #213097 November 9, 2020 1:11 pm 1
It was the smallpox that was gross.
tarstarkas #213131 November 9, 2020 2:18 pm 5
They’ll never get me to take their shitty ass vaccine.
ProZNoV #213156 November 9, 2020 3:02 pm 11
Agree with the sentiment, however: Get ready for
usNthem #213218 November 9, 2020 5:00 pm 3
There’ll be all sorts of potential restrictions that can be slapped onto us anti-vaxxers. Then further identified with the dreaded scarlet C or scarlet virus image tattoo or some such, so we can more easily be vilified, ostracized and targeted with rotten tomatoes. Awesome times coming down the pike.
Drew #213254 November 9, 2020 6:07 pm 3
Get ready for forged proofs, too. This is a capitalist society, after all, anything can be bought.
Bill Mullins #213332 November 10, 2020 8:36 am 0
They will when “papers, please” means showing proof of either having been exposed or having received the vaccine. You will either have to produce the requisite documentation or you will not be allowed access to any public or private space other than your own home. These people aren’t f**king around. They mean business. If they can successfully shut the world down they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want. Now, “Papers,please“.
Alzaebo #213143 November 9, 2020 2:36 pm 3
Another “decimate the warriors” program, eh? (Along with burnout and killing off the Mideast Christians.) Then invent a new ‘mental disease’, PTSD, just in time for Pfizer to get Zoloft approved. Gotta poison those plebs!
Bill Mullins #213336 November 10, 2020 8:46 am 1
Hey! My son along with his father-in-law are both living with PTSD – my son from Operation Desert Storm (he went into Kuwait City mere hours after the Iraqis left. He also wok up next to a dead Iraqi soldier.) and his father-in-law from 2 tours in the Nam including a close encounter with a land mine that netted him 2 artificial knee joints. Note that a soldier who served a single tour in the Nam spent more time in combat conditions/mortal peril than a Roman Legionnaire did in their entireCAREER!If you put sane men into insane conditions you should not be surprised if it induces a degree of insanity.
James OMeara #213071 November 9, 2020 12:34 pm 2
AND it’s be ready by December, as they are rushing everything to be ready for Biden ASAP (or before the courts reverse his “win”)
OrangeFrog #213013 November 9, 2020 10:58 am 11
Is there a vaccine for leftism yet? Who is working on this?
Falcone #213032 November 9, 2020 11:16 am 5
Stanley Tool Manufacturing, Inc.
Ostei Kozelskii #213060 November 9, 2020 12:18 pm 7
Mssrs. Smith and Wesson are hard at it.
pozymandias #213151 November 9, 2020 2:53 pm 3
The Russians used to say “9 grams of lead”.
Ostei Kozelskii #213171 November 9, 2020 3:21 pm 3
Deviat gramov.Excedrin headache No. 357.
NordicGoats #213078 November 9, 2020 12:38 pm 1
I thought that was developed long ago by Dr. Joseph-Ignace Guillotin
Bill Mullins #213340 November 10, 2020 8:55 am 0
Contrary to popular misconception, Dr. Guillotin did not actually invent the execution machine which bears his name. All he did was promote it as a “humane” way to execute criminals. BTW, there is evidence to suggest that those who experienced an encounter withMadame Le Guillotinmay well have survivedAND REMAINEDCONSCIOUSANDAWAREfor upwards of a minute after their heads fell into the basket. Only good way to go by my reckoning is quietly in your sleep. Had an Aunt who went that way. Kissed my Uncle good-night, told him she loved him and died quietly in her sleep. It don’t get no better than that.
tarstarkas #213132 November 9, 2020 2:19 pm 5
The only vaccine for leftism is living under leftism for a while.
B125 #212951 November 9, 2020 9:16 am -9
Looking forward to the GOP rats losing both Georgia seats in a landslide.
Falcone #213029 November 9, 2020 11:12 am 5
I always thought that if mass immigration was going to end it would have to be at the hands of the Democrats
skeptic16 #213046 November 9, 2020 11:41 am 5
Only Nixon could go to China?
Falcone #213075 November 9, 2020 12:36 pm 2
Yep, something akin to that
JR Wirth #213091 November 9, 2020 1:03 pm 1
I agree and it will only happen when unemployment tops a certain level as wages continue to stagnate.
RoBG #213139 November 9, 2020 2:29 pm 1
Wage stagnation and the “Gig” economy were part of the plan all along.
James OMeara #213079 November 9, 2020 12:39 pm 6
Makes sense; a resurgence of Bernie style working class solidarity on the Left would be as likely as populism overcoming Chamber of Commerce open borders on the Right. Best to look at all options.
usNthem #213224 November 9, 2020 5:09 pm 1
Hard to imagine what justification for ending mass immigration could possibly come from the stunted mind of a committed leftard. But it would undoubtedly have an extremely compassionate and moral framework, of course.
Guest #213094 November 9, 2020 1:10 pm 1
Or perchance Amer Rouge.
Doze Rose #213306 November 10, 2020 12:45 am 0
Never will they lose another election, starting with GA senate runoff.“The most legal immigration in history”, sucking up to black rappers, putting violent felons back onto the street, and reee’ing about how granny boomer should die for the economy will do that to you. BTW, there was a swing to Biden in the White demographic across much of the country, so the voter fraud narrative isn’t terribly persuasive. That demographic shifted Georgia and Pennsylvania away from Trump. Seniors enraged over Trump’s poor Covid performance flipped Pennsylvania and White suburbanites scared of Atlanta blacks flipped Georgia. You people did that. Covid was your hill. You died on it. Enjoy this guy’s ranting about the disease that impacts his bottom line, because that’s the only explanation for his obsession with it.Church of Covid.Congratulations on writing the 10,000th article on Covid-19. That was the hill you wanted to die on, and you just did. Donald Trump lost the election due to your* ceaseless posturing and whining about “face diapers”, just as I predicted he would on this blog weeks ago (remember, Z thought Trump might get over 50% of the popular vote … lol, nope).Years from now, when the democrats control everything — as the police state worsens — I wonder if any of you people will look back and question if it was really worth losing power just to “own the libs” and posture about how macho you are because you called a guy a c*uck on social media for wearing a mask?Nah, who am I kidding? This side of the political aisle is easily led around by their noses by grifters and special interests — Tea Party, MAGA, Israel Lobby, Covidians. What a waste of space. The guy publishing this stuff is a businessman, so his bottom line is hurt by Covid-19. In order to maximize his pocketbook, he’s built a cult following of dumb conservatives willing to advance his financial interests to their detriment. He makes money and you lose the election. Was that a good trade?*Note to people of low reading comprehension: the implication here is that I mean “your” as in the Covidians who insist on ranting about this issue endlessly, not this specific blog. That kind of rhetoric worked its way up to Trump’s social media and he repeated these talking points to his detriment. For example, Donald Trump repeated Pat Buchanan’s talking point on Covid in several of his Tweets. Bad advice, padre. Granny boomer is now ride’n with Biden all the way to inauguration day.
Rwc1963 #213308 November 10, 2020 1:29 am 1
No the replacement will go on. Z is dead wrong thinking it’s business as usual with a Kamala regime. This is what I would have expected from Juan Williams or Marie Harf not a supposed thought leader of the DR.As a Californian I see how the Left is relentless in their efforts to turn the state into another Venezuela, It is not business as usual and is why the white professional class are fleeing like rats leaving a sinking ship.And Kamala is Newsom on steroids.
Guest #213093 November 9, 2020 1:08 pm 9
I don’t think with certainty we have two years to literally bloody shirts. I am stumbling into behavior among the sober and hard minded to suggest these idiots have stirred up a Hornets nest among normies, including normie small businessmen. Esp normie small business. With no more COVID PPP in sight and our noses being rubbed in shit publicly ala dumb fraud something quietly profound has changed.
The Wild Geese Howard #213135 November 9, 2020 2:24 pm 2
these idiots have stirred up a Hornets nest among normies, Do you know the two most sacrosanct values they program normies with when the grow up on Main St, USA? 1) One man, one vote2) Free & fair elections Your move, Marxists.
Guest #213158 November 9, 2020 3:06 pm 7
I think the Marxists did move, and are waiting to see if we eat it. Now all past history esp 2020 indicates they’re correct. I think they have the American Canine by the Tail. If it continues to be bitch cur – they win, the rest is whining. If the 🇺🇸 Canine turns Wolf…
The Wild Geese Howard #213179 November 9, 2020 3:34 pm 6
If it continues to be bitch cur – they win, the rest is whining. Tend to agree. To win, Trump needs a million things to go right in the legal process, they only need a few things to go wrong. I understand the math they’re using to test for fraud, but math n’ graphs is the fastest way to put C+ normies to sleep. Personally, the future the Marxists have planned for us is not one that I believe is worth living.
Guest #213182 November 9, 2020 3:38 pm 6
Well they agree, and certainly mean to put us out of their misery.
The Wild Geese Howard #213200 November 9, 2020 4:29 pm 2
They’re already talking about their first of many Chekas: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/09/joe-biden-proposes-hiring-least-100000-culturally-competent-contact-tracers/
Guest #213226 November 9, 2020 5:12 pm 1
Oh yes, do come.
Ben the Layabout #213274 November 9, 2020 7:33 pm 4
Pessimistically, a lot of things have been given away, over a very long period of time. Here is a very partial list:1861-5 Rights of States to govern themselves (with final nails in coffin into mid-20th century);1914 Federal Reserve Act1933 Gold removed as US money1934 Firearms act1948, 1952, 1964 “civil rights” decisions/laws that took away rights to private contract, freedom of association of private individuals.I’m sure there’s many I’ve overlooked. Point is, a lot of freedoms have been taken without a shot being fired (ok, ex-Civil War), and it’s not clear how much remains for them to take away.
CompscI #212995 November 9, 2020 10:36 am 9
So “truth” is now to be decided upon by a consensus of the ignorant? Sounds about right.
Cameron #212990 November 9, 2020 10:12 am 9
“Every issue, instead of being a fight between interested parties, is a fight for eternal truth and cosmic justice.”I am right wing because I care about my posterity’s future (and my ancestors’ sacrifice to get me here) not about moral abstractions. E.g. I think abortion is a woman murdering her baby but as an issue it’s low on the list of things that motivate me.
Educated.redneck #213033 November 9, 2020 11:18 am 9
OK, what about your people’s posterity? If your people’s women are free to murder their unborn children, will there be a “your people” in the future? Or do you just see your ideal future as your own clan, inbred and alone, on some isolated mountaintop? What is the point of your progeny having a future, if in the process their people die out and leave them to be a hated, hunted minority? Collective defense has as a prerequisite the existence of a collective.
Cameron #213043 November 9, 2020 11:33 am 5
Yeah, actually that’s a pretty fair point.
Alzaebo #213211 November 9, 2020 4:48 pm 1
I’ll sadly agree to it for those /not us/, so yes, it’s a weapon.
Cameron #213317 November 10, 2020 6:10 am 0
As a Christian I cannot endorse that for a weapon or otherwise – I’m just saying that as an issue I don’t find it highly motivating.
Alzaebo #213207 November 9, 2020 4:47 pm 1
We are poor caretakers. We don’t own what those before us sacrificed to give us, we were supposed to pass it on to those who come after us.
skeptic16 #213021 November 9, 2020 11:08 am 8
I wonder how a Biden fan would respond to “How do we know that the Russians didn’t want Biden this time?”
Vizzini #213053 November 9, 2020 11:53 am 8
That’s an easy one: “Reeee! Orange Man Bad! Putin’s cockholster! QAnon! White Supremacy! Shut up!”
Alzaebo #213244 November 9, 2020 5:38 pm 0
Gonna try it!
JR Wirth #213015 November 9, 2020 10:58 am 8
I’m sick of hearing about this “Hammer and Scorecard” rumor being passed around It’s a hell of a cope. Although we wouldn’t have to jump to such a conspiracy theory if we had secure balloting….like Mexico. The real conspiracy is that any asshole can vote.
Educated.redneck #213041 November 9, 2020 11:29 am 9
You think the CIA that spawned Clapper is, what, too patriotic and red-blooded American to try a Color Revolution in the USA? You think they have these tools, see this “threat” to their very existence, and just sit idly by? We know that’s not the case, see Comey and his troop of r-tards. The only question is HOW, not IF the alphabet soup “intelligence” community interfered in this election. Election voting software makes good sense: see the Law of Liberal Projection. If they are claiming Trump “hacked the election” with Rushing Collusion, you can guaran-damn-tee they actually have some sort of software exploit in some part of the election process. Do not ascribe to stupidity what is actually our enemies’ malice. They. Want. You. Dead.
JR Wirth #213051 November 9, 2020 11:50 am 11
The government is a comedy of errors. If any of these people had a brain they would be in the private sector. Everyone is so quick to believe some rumor about internet connected software changing votes when in reality you had millions of mail in ballots sent out like Publishers Clearinghouse sweepstakes, with thousands of them ending up in trash cans, on floors of mail centers, and being harvested door to door by Acorn like orgs. This election was decided when Republican state legislatures buckled to crazy mask ladies who thought, last April, that the virus would kill them at voting booths.
Dutch #213081 November 9, 2020 12:42 pm 14
JR, I’m of the opinion it was “all of the above” on cheating, and it was still not enough, and they had to go to flat-out posting millions of fake votes last Tuesday night, to get their preferred result. Have you seen the county or precinct maps, where almost all of them are always red? That’s the truth of the thing, and they work 24/7 to engineer a work-around, by any and all strategies.
B125 #213108 November 9, 2020 1:29 pm 13
Trump won in a massive blowout, insane white turnout in PA gave him almost as many votes as Obama in 08. The polls that said trump was down 17% in Wisconsin now say he lost white male support. Bullshit. Dems did massive fraud in WI and had to run it up to 90% turnout to get a0.4% win. You’re right, they might just be adding fake votes into the system at this point. Balls to the wall now.
Alzaebo #213242 November 9, 2020 5:35 pm 0
NYC radio: Trump was 2 million ahead in PA alone at the close.
Alzaebo #213233 November 9, 2020 5:19 pm 0
Agree with Dutch, the landslide was so large they had to use the Venezuelan software. Nothing was left to chance with rallies like those.
Alzaebo #213241 November 9, 2020 5:34 pm 2
Wait a minute! See, there’s my damned Boomer conditioning kicking in. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF THE BIDEN VOTE IS LEGITIMATE. “Stolen election”serves our purposes.
RoBG #213128 November 9, 2020 2:08 pm 4
The attempt to “True the Vote” probably has been resisted since Tammany Hall. There’s never been any political will to address it. You know the sort of thing: Something should be done by someone, someday, but not now.
Alzaebo #213229 November 9, 2020 5:15 pm 1
I disagree, Wirth. These are professionals, this is an Industry, with product and demonstrable results to sell.
Guest #213169 November 9, 2020 3:16 pm 2
They published the Color Revolution in advance, Transition Integrity Project. Headed by Papa Color Revolution himself; Norm Eisen. There’s no if or how guesswork needed.
Vizzini #213054 November 9, 2020 11:56 am 3
Yes, I’m of the opinion that the bulk of the election fraud occurred over the four years prior to voting with the endless media drumbeat of “Bad Orange Racist!” Garbage in, garbage out.
RoBG #213161 November 9, 2020 3:08 pm 2
Spoken like a true IT Guy!
Alzaebo #213235 November 9, 2020 5:22 pm 0
They didn’t convince anybody. Orange Bad never grew to outnumber We Love Our Country, they’re painting an illusion of popularity. “72 million for Biden”- My. Left. Ass. Vaporware.
Paintersforms #212993 November 9, 2020 10:32 am 7
The threat of extinction is obvious. Having overcome all other obstacles, only the grave is left. The big one. That’s what it comes down to. Hence an election turning on a highly contagious but not very deadly virus. Those of guilty conscience see the grim reaper everywhere. Those who’ve forgotten immortality is in their kids and grandkids, their nation. Take heart. Brighter days are ahead, probably sooner than you think.
B125 #213003 November 9, 2020 10:42 am 16
Boomers and leftists are terrified of death, they live an empty soulless life and there is no redemption at the end. The COVID hysteria is partly a response to that. You can lock down society and destroy future generations but you can’t avoid the end fate – burning in the Lake of fire and eternal damnation. Leftists know what is coming even if they reject religion.
Educated.redneck #213037 November 9, 2020 11:23 am 3
Sorry for not reading down further enough; what B125 said.
B125 #213055 November 9, 2020 12:01 pm 6
No worries; mine was more straightforward, yours was more philosophical and eloquent. All the mcmansions and rv’s in the world won’t set their soul right. Not even a Christian issue, mostly atheist vs. Religious.
CompscI #213045 November 9, 2020 11:37 am 12
Still painting with a too broad brush. If it wasn’t for Boomers, and some gen X’ers, you’d hear no calls to reopen society and stop the lockdowns. If I had to paint with a broad brush, it would be to point out women as a class for fearfulness and safety over reason and responsibility. But then that would wrong the strong, intelligent, thoughtful women who post here.
Paintersforms #213062 November 9, 2020 12:19 pm 3
NAXALT. But consider: They had the JFK assassination, I had the Reagan revolution. They had Martin Luther King, I had Rodney King. They had the holocaust, I had Goldman Sachs. They expect the steal, I expect to beat the odds. Etc. This is not younger generations’ story. Have some faith and pass the torch!
CompscI #213112 November 9, 2020 1:37 pm 7
Who’s holding back the torch? I simply remark that the follow on generations are pretty quick to blame someone else for their predicament, e.g., Boomers, and yet are—in the given example—absent from the forefront of current efforts to amend the situation.Now some of such I understand. Follow on generations neither have the resources, nor standing in technical fields and institutions as do Boomers and X’ers.But I also note for the record, it’s not Boomers attending the nightly riots that are going on for literally months in our major cities. I’ve never criticized the younger generation that I recall. And have always acknowledged that the America they were born in was less conducive to prosperity and personal success than mine. I simply maintain that “Boomers screwed things up” is way too simplistic an explanation.
Paintersforms #213180 November 9, 2020 3:35 pm 4
Apologies for coming in hot, Compsci. I know you’re generally on the right side of things.However, we’re about to be ruled by an Alzheimer’s patient and his diverse replacement. Rioting millennial flotsam didn’t cause that to be, in fact, they hurt its chances. It wasn’t the young clamoring for masks and curve flattening.It wasn’t my 20-50 year old friends and family I was yelling at to keep their heads this past spring. It wasn’t smiling zoomer couples I saw driving Austin-Healeys and Chevy Novas this weekend. It wasn’t my millennial neighbor setting off fireworks Saturday night.It was my dad who visited me and tried to buy my compliance with my great grandfather’s deer rifle. (I refused it.)It was panic, lockdowns, and mail in voting that made this possible, and anybody who doesn’t know why all that happened is being invincibly ignorant.That’s in the past, but right now there are people with life ahead of them who are being ruined, children growing up with masks, being robbed of a normal childhood. All because in the beginning of this people with most of their lives behind them were worried about meeting their fate.Among the people I talk to, patience is not weakness, despair gives way to desperation, hearts harden into resolve.
Mockingbird #213210 November 9, 2020 4:48 pm 1
Among the people I talk to, patience is not weakness, despair gives way to desperation, hearts harden into resolve. That’s quite poetical.I will mention that in ascribing blame for the election, the national map basically shows all red except for the mostly-coastal big-city blues. From where I sit, in the middle of the SF Bay Area, the problem is not demographic, but geographic: SF, LA and NY.
Paintersforms #213264 November 9, 2020 6:50 pm 1
Thanks. Totally unintentional I assure you.
Falcone #213304 November 10, 2020 12:08 am 0
Painter,Let me only say here is that fate is unforgiving.What do I mean by that? The more you fixate on the boomers, for example, the more you open your own life to becoming the same thing. In other words, everything you are saying about the boomers, not so much blaming them but assigning some of your own dissatisfaction over to to them, is what the generation under you or two under you will be saying and claiming about you. Basically, payback is a bitch.But but but how can they? I was the one sticking up for them? I was the one who was on the side of the righteous?I don’t have answers to that. But I can point to family life. It NEVER dawned on me or occurred to me that my son would resent me. I was always the cool dad. Could never happen. But it did. It was a phase, but it happened. Children will find a way to resent their parents or elders. Every time you think you are setting yourself up where you can’t be assailed by them, think you’re perfectly situated where they can’t find a chink in your armor, they will find a way over or under or through your armor into your heart. Because life demands it as part of its cycles. Like a blade of grass will always find a way to break through the best laid driveway. You can’t stop it.But you can somewhat alter its trajectory. And life does have a sense of fairness. So if you lay off the boomers, and one day these young kids come blaming you for their problems, you can know deep down you don’t deserve their crap because you never did that to your elders, and they’ll sense it and leave you be.Take it for what it’s worth. But just a life lesson I wanted to share.
Paintersforms #213316 November 10, 2020 6:05 am 0
Thank you.I’ll admit I’m going off my experience of having boomer parents, boomer superiors in the workplace. What I’ve found is they respect strength, even to the point of being a dick and pulling power moves. Not making that up right now, I’ve said it before on here, not that I’d expect anyone to remember.I don’t resent them, it’s that it’s time for a new story, time for the torch to be passed. Hell, they did their thing back in the 60s, so I can’t feel too badly about it.Besides, people were sent to nursing homes to die, Biden talked about a long dark winter and I take him at his word. Don’t want to go there.Believe me I’m not fueled by resentment. Playing along, doing what I was told, built what resentment I’ve had. Lesson learned.Now as for parenting, yikes, but I’m sure everybody feels that way 🙂
Alzaebo #213216 November 9, 2020 4:57 pm 2
They didn’t grow up with the Big Three networks, they don’t realize just how brainwashed we were. I’m sorry, youngers, but we we told over and over, in a million ways, that we were doing the right thing, the Good Thing. How could we know? Yet- yet- after Dubya, we turned.We’re on your side now.
Alzaebo #213212 November 9, 2020 4:52 pm 2
Agree with Compsci. GenXers are pissed because they remember Sixteen Candles, and saw it disappear beforetheireyes.
Dr. Dre #213219 November 9, 2020 5:00 pm 2
Thank you!
The Wild Geese Howard #213080 November 9, 2020 12:40 pm 6
they live an empty soulless life and there is no redemption at the end. That’s right. One of the fundamental problems with the West is too many people living totally empty, debt-funded, keep up with the Joneses lifestyles. These people have endless college, mortgage, auto, and credit card debt. That’s it. Their subconscious knows exactly how empty their lives are.
Educated.redneck #213036 November 9, 2020 11:22 am 11
Well said, painter. Why does “some people’s” foolish desire for actual immortality, that dread fear of the hereafter that comes only from a guilty conscience and an unsaved soul, trump my children’s right to have a normal childhood and go trick-or-treating without these bizarre freaks with their social-compliance fetishes scaring them with these pointless masks? You’re going to die, Boomer. We all will, eventually. No need to take all of civilization with you.
Paintersforms #213064 November 9, 2020 12:22 pm 6
It’s a darkness I’ll never understand. edit: only God’s grace saves, but whatever He wills I’m at peace with.
Alzaebo #213217 November 9, 2020 4:59 pm 0
Is God Jewish? Or is that a skinsuit? Further, were the atheists wrong in rejecting Yahweh, then, and his punishments of the free?
Alzaebo #213220 November 9, 2020 5:03 pm 0
Further, were the atheists wrong in rejecting Yahweh, then, and his punishments of the free? **note- this comment was added above, as “Yahweh” seems to have it awaiting approval. The virus may have found us or our camoflauge.**
Paintersforms #213268 November 9, 2020 7:10 pm 1
Well His Son was Jewish, and the other Jews really didn’t like him. As for atheistic freedom, men aren’t fit for it. Being creatures we lack the wisdom to master Creation. Not unlike Agent Smith trying to take over the Matrix. Such arrogance deserves to be punished.
Alzaebo #213303 November 10, 2020 12:01 am 1
A thoughtful, worthy, and kind reply; the Christians are a credit to their King.
Rich #213193 November 9, 2020 4:06 pm 2
Most people in my area demanding masks and that wanted no door knocking at Halloween are not boomers. Face diaper crowd seems to have no age limitations. There probably is a link between lack of spirituality and a debilitating fear of death.Now, I think everyone has thoughts about their death. Most want to put it off as long as reasonably possible, especially if they have others that depend on them for their welfare.
B125 #213231 November 9, 2020 5:18 pm 1
Yes perhaps I was too broad. More like goodwhites and AWFL of every age. I have many boomer goodwhite acquaintances so maybe that’s why I lump them together.
B125 #213232 November 9, 2020 5:19 pm 4
And, no hard feelings towards boomers if they’re in our thing. As a race we need to move past generational warfare. Lots of morons of every age, but lots of good people too.
Paintersforms #213273 November 9, 2020 7:29 pm 2
I just want the spell to break. It’s not intergenerational warfare, it’s desperation for me. Boomer remover was not a joke meme. They’ll get the worst of it.
Falcone #213305 November 10, 2020 12:27 am 1
There’s “boomers” and there’s people who are simply 70 years old Almost like two different species
Paintersforms #213269 November 9, 2020 7:13 pm 1
Those are snakes waiting for the moment to strike.
James OMeara #213070 November 9, 2020 12:33 pm 6
RE your Taki article, you mention there Andrew Cuomo re his handling of the coof. He also gave a wonderful expression of what you call “build back better” ever before then. Back when Trump was shiny and new, he responded to the idea of MAGA by solemnly intoning (like a high school principal warning about something the kids may think is “cool” but really isn’t if you think about it) “America was never great.” He had to quickly walk it back (it’s likely why he never replaced Biden on the ticket) but like all “gaffes” it was the truth, at least as seen by the hordes for whom “college educated” means not reading Plato but being stuffed for four years with Howard Zinn and that “Lies My Teacher Told Me” book. I thought then and now it was a great way to define the partisans.
Ostei Kozelskii #213038 November 9, 2020 11:23 am 6
Excellent piece, Z-Man.I would argue that naked partisanship, in place of rouged up civic virtue, got its meathooks into America in the 1960s with identity politics. Sure, most white people continued believing or professing to believe, that they were voting for the objective public good. However, the reality was that every fringe group, from blacks to heaumeaux (and the roster of dysfunctionals has since grown geometrically) began agitating for their group interests, the public good be damned. And as the number of partisan loci increased, any sense of a common and comprehensive good was torn asunder. We now live in the smoking multicultural rubble of a once great nation.
JR Wirth #213067 November 9, 2020 12:28 pm 11
Identity politics was ALWAYS around, only white people were fed lies by the pop culture back then to fall asleep. They saw Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner and actually started fantasizing about their spoiled brat daughter meeting some Sidney Poitier and having hybrid babies with her. The drumbeat actually started in the 50’s.
Guest #213164 November 9, 2020 3:11 pm 3
How can we catch the partisan and my race above all Virus?We need it.
Alzaebo #213246 November 9, 2020 5:44 pm 2
So true, Wirth, “and everybody clapped”. Also, the GI Bill was extended to feminist education in the 50s, for all those would-be Rosie Riveters- except they didn’t teach riveting.
Ostei Kozelskii #213290 November 9, 2020 9:48 pm 0
In the past, identity politics meant onenatioconquering another. What America has experienced in the last six decades under the assaults of the post-Marxist Left is something else altogether.
whitney #212945 November 9, 2020 9:05 am 6
I can’t believe Taki was changing your headlines. You’re actually a master of the pithy headline
Suburban_elk #212973 November 9, 2020 9:36 am 8
According to Jim Goad, Taki’s daughter is Editor-in-Chief and has a nasty habitat of doing things just like that. (asserting herself, she be)
ChicagoRodent #213098 November 9, 2020 1:14 pm 5
I dropped Takimag, which I used to enjoy, once the unworthy wench assumed the throne. But I would still drop serious coin on the opportunity for cocktails and stories with Taki himself. He’s the last of a breed.
Dr. Dre #213201 November 9, 2020 4:30 pm 1
I actually knew, although not well, the original author of the “Bunky Mortimer” column in Takimag; he was so cool, sauve, handsome and full of self-deprecating humor. Passed away a few years’ ago. Big squash player in NYC. Father owned a famous race track in Central FL. Now it’s written by a poser who thinks he can imitate Bunky’s style. Sigh.
ChicagoRodent #213238 November 9, 2020 5:26 pm 1
With you on Bunky. I would have liked to hang out with the right honorable gentleman. I used to play squash. There’s something satisfying about smacking a ball with a racquet, and sometimes your adversary with the racquet. But I quit the club that had the courts once I was mostly just using its restaurant. I like that breed of Taki and Bunky. I’ll do drive-bys to read The Zeeeeeeeee-man. I actually read Z because I like his cat.
Bill Mullins #213393 November 10, 2020 10:33 am 0
Went to High school with a guy nicknamed “Bunky”. Had him for “home room”. Seems he spent part of his grade school years living next door to the home room teacher. She “outed” him the first time she called roll, “Oh, hi, Bunky.” Poor beggar never lived it down. All the way to senior year people would greet him with,“Oh, hi, Bunky.”William “Bunky” McQueen, Highlands HS class of 1969
Alzaebo #213194 November 9, 2020 4:07 pm 5
The Electors don’t turn in their vote until December 14th, yet the Biden team is demanding the GSA certify the handover. (The GSA director refuses, and is being castigated as a Trump-picked loyalist for following the law and Constitution.) The media is winding the Left up. “Fears of Backlash” is being blamed on us, of course, but it’s Lefty who doesn’t handle disappointment well.
Guest #213110 November 9, 2020 1:34 pm 5
Not voting is worse than voting and being cheated. You lose any legitimacy, you can be slaughtered and none take notice. Ask the Iraqi Sunni how that worked out. Disappearing pre-emptively when the enemies goal is disappearing you entirely is bad policy.
Falcone #213173 November 9, 2020 3:23 pm 1
and not going church means you go to hell sure 😉
Guest #213181 November 9, 2020 3:37 pm 3
Listen they want us invisible, like the White South Africans. And I am only interested in the temporal plane.
Falcone #213222 November 9, 2020 5:06 pm 1
Not saying invisible, just below radarEither way, I am heading in that direction and play to stay that way for foreseeable future. But I have been planning this for yers, nothing to do with Obama or Trump. Meaning, I plan to stop doing what I do to support myself and will be putzing around playing or teaching tennis, my true love, or traveling and hitting the beach for a few years, my other love. I am 53 and have busted my ass since I was 21 years old and feel I’ve earned a little reprieve.But, sure, if it sounds sexier saying I am dropping out to make a political statement, yeah, I can always play that card too 😉
DonQuayveous Doolittle #213279 November 9, 2020 8:11 pm 2
Brother, you don’t need to bounce your disengagement off people. It’s human. But it’s not a mirror to hold up, because it’s not scaleable. I only say that, not because I think I’m better, but because I’ve been there, and in hindsight, it’s not the absolute strategy that needs promoting. It is fine and good for someone in your shoes and effective as well, but not universally effective.
Falcone #213302 November 9, 2020 11:22 pm 0
Effective for what? What’s the game plan or end game you seem to be referring to?There are 100 million non whites in this nation and I have lived in a massive multi-cultural city for a little over 30 years, and they aren’t going anywhere while my tolerance for living around and among them is over. So given that reality and my personal situation, I have decided to get away from them. Step 1.Step 2 is to find a place. Which I sorta have. Something of a work in process, but getting there. But when I find a place I have a few options:1) Ignore the political process, drop out, play tennis, do my own thing. Focus on family and living healthy and getting exercise.2) Stress myself out over things I can’t change, like I have been over the past 30 years plus, the main thing being a massive non white population that I know will NEVER (at least in my lifetime) see things similarly to me. So this makes politics irrelevant to me. Sure there are local issues that may matter, but as for national politics I can’t be bothered to care because nothing will change what matters to me most, which is living in a white country. Noting else matters, and there is nothing I can do about it except take small personal steps to improve my own situation.But to each his own. I am not good at politics or anything like that. I can’t stand it tbh. It makes my brain hurt just thinking about it. I am best when I am left to myself and my own creativity and mindset and can do things that make people happy, such as throw parties, dinners, get things rollicking. Just be someone out there who is an island of sanity away from this shit. And that has value. Always has. Always will. I know from experience.
Dinothedoxie #213007 November 9, 2020 10:46 am 5
America, is analogous to the Roman Republic ca 150bc. Both started as a small weak states and then grew exponentially by absorbing nearby areas and then conquering far away ones. The very facto of that growth meant that it wasn’t ever a unified nation in the modern sense, but rather a collection of competing groups temporarily United by war. Until the great enemy was dispatched, Carthage in Rome’s case and the SU in ours. Free from a existential threat means free for the internal groups to attack each other for temporary supremacy.IMO that the dynamic with modern America. It will ultimately end the republicans for of government as it did in the last half century bc. But the internal fighting will continue in autocratic America just as it did in imperial Rome.
Guest #213125 November 9, 2020 2:03 pm 4
Anyone else recall people posting here that COVID was for money and then politics all along?
Falcone #213172 November 9, 2020 3:22 pm 8
yep I remember saying that my uncle, a doctor, was telling me it was all a scam to make money. They (docs and hospitals) were having what amounted to “contests” like employee of the month to see who could generate the most covid counts because the federal reimbursements for covid cases were several times more than for normal things. Total scam
The Wild Geese Howard #213183 November 9, 2020 3:40 pm 6
Months ago, I ran simple calculations on the Diamond Princess data and came up with a total of 370k US Covid deaths.That’s in line with a moderately severe seasonal flu.I didn’t weight by age and didn’t account for the weak being culled first.I think this dataset is pessimistic because the ship population skews older and it was a confined space with plenty of opportunities for re-infection.Even juicing the death count with Dem govs murdering people, CDC paying hospitals to murder people, and CDC counting all deaths with as deaths from the US can’t get 2/3rds of my number.Given the thing is not that deadly, no one should care about asymptomatic spread, masks, or any of the other BS the flunatic fascists preach.Beer Flu is a total psyop hoax.
Falcone #213214 November 9, 2020 4:55 pm 6
“Beer Flu is a total psyop hoax” 100000000000000000%
B125 #213237 November 9, 2020 5:25 pm 5
It’s a merciful virus, the 95 year old terminal cancer patient gets to meet his maker 6 months sooner, with less suffering. Granny who no longer recognizes her children goes 4 months early. Only a deranged goodwhite lunatic, terrified of death, thinks this is a bad or scary thing. And we have alot of them.
DonQuayveous Doolittle #213277 November 9, 2020 7:51 pm -1
What are you talking about? Don’t gaslight us. Beer flu is bullshit but regular flu is sub 100k. Making those kind of claims just works against us. Even if they are using the difference in deaths to gaslight us also, because they are people who would have died anyway, we have no actual way of reliably determining those extra deaths. The general mortality rate has actually increased since beer flu. That is the only indicator we can use. It’s entirely possible the whole thing is part of a longer curve metric we don’t even have yet, people dying who would have died, only earlier, and they are using the numbers for propaganda, but this is a smart blog, not a dumb one, so the comments need to reflect the intelligence of the audience, we have elitist assholes watching.
Alfred Doolittle #213252 November 9, 2020 6:02 pm 1
I’ll preface this by saying I don’t wear a mask, anywhere. Now, as plausible as that sounds, that is a huge accusation to drop as an anonymous anecdote. I’m sorry, I just don’t believe anything I read on the internet anymore.
Falcone #213301 November 9, 2020 11:04 pm 0
I don’t want to stop you from doing your own independent research Yes, my comment is anecdotal, but I think if you dig deeper and research this you will find evidence in support.
Shrugger #212971 November 9, 2020 9:35 am 3
Presidential elections in the US, fraud notwithstanding, have achieved the stability of a bang-bang servo.
Whiskey #213227 November 9, 2020 5:13 pm 2
Z-man I agree with everything but the conclusion. As you note, politics is now communal salvation and morality. And you certainly can see that the elites above all are prey to this. No one showed up for Biden rallies, while the elites are in a frenzy to have camps and show trials and blacklists and such. When Robert Reich calls for camps and show trials you know its on.And that gets to the second point. The years long lockdowns that sucker Naomi Wolfe now realizes is a done deal will impoverish millions and tens of millions. The only solution for that is camps.Next, the party is run by people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. They told that White woman to shut up and basically bum rushed Nancy Pelosi out of her own call. They don’t care if marginal congress critters get tossed out. The model of massive vote fraud means never having to say you are sorry and winning all Senate and Presidential races. That means camps for uppity Whitey.Finally, the lure of the China model “solving” for once and all their problem of obnoxious minorities is irresistable. Just like a privatized social credit scheme is now the law, so too will be camps for “security reasons.”
Guest #213221 November 9, 2020 5:05 pm 2
Trump just brutally and publicly sacked SecDef Esper. put Christopher miller as acting SECDEF. Rumors/Wishes in media that Wray FBI and the Skirt DCI are next (DC media spreads rumors to get people fired) but at last Esper is gone. Now I don’t believe in 45D or “The Plan” but its a positive action by Trump. Maybe he just wants to live 🤣.
Whiskey #213236 November 9, 2020 5:22 pm 2
Trump has gone radio silent. He made a deal, predictably, to sell out his supporters and go quietly. He will make a best a pro-forma legal challenge that is ignored. Of course he’s a fool, the fury of the elites guarantee he will be in prison the rest of his life and his kids too. But that’s it. Fox News cut away from his press conference. Telling viewers they could not allow them to hear the lies. Its over. Mitt Romney will join the Biden White House to expand ObamaCare to everything (there goes your employer insurance).At least that part is over. We White Deplorables need to think about survival. How we can bug out, how we can have liquid non freezable assets, what skills and assets we can bring to places like Chile, Argentina, Uruguay etc. We should learn Spanish now.It won’t happen right away, but lists are being made. First, utilities will be cut off for “racism” supporting Trump. Next, your bank account will be frozen. Supporting and voting Trump is a hate crime bigot! Next will come formal charges and show trials letting your neighbors know you were fond of the Four Olds or whatever. You will probably wear a dunce hat while trannies and lesbians scream at you. All the while Anti-Fa and BLM continue to harass Whites on the streets as the do today.You can’t fight the cops, military, anti-Fa, and BLM all combined. But you can survive. Escape, evade, don’t end up in a camp. There its all over, you won’t be leaving it ever. Unless you are near death that’s the Chinese model.
Alfred Doolittle #213249 November 9, 2020 5:47 pm 1
Please. The Elites have an agreement. Nobody goes to jail. If one goes, they all go. It doesn’t matter Trump is outer circle not inner circle.
The Wild Geese Howard #213266 November 9, 2020 6:57 pm 1
Trump has gone radio silent. Looks like Trump is finally on Gab as realdonaldtrump
Falcone #213255 November 9, 2020 6:10 pm 6
Trump may finally learn you can admire or even idolize the men in uniform, but he’s not one of them. They will never respect him. And at their level, they are merely bureaucrats and see him as an outsider to be stymied and subvertedWhich is why it is always better for men in politics who never served to treat — even if it’s just an act — military men with an air of superiority. Look dow on them to put them on the defensive. Or they will take advantage. As we can see with Trump.Obama and Clinton, much better politicians, understood this. I know it’s hard for Trump to let go of his admiration for these military guys, but they are not real military guys and not heroes. They’re not Patton. They weasels and bureaucrats and scum of the earth like Powell and Mattis.
Tom K #212960 November 9, 2020 9:23 am 2
LOL, just got done arguing at another comment board that it’s our DUTY to vote. What I was really doing was trolling a dude over there for reasons I won’t go into here. I can’t really mount any good reasons for voting, but still, voting furnishes some rooting interest.
T. Morris #212968 November 9, 2020 9:31 am 3
‘There’s nothing so absurd than when you repeat something often enough people begin to believe it.’ You have three minutes to name the author. Ha, ha.
Tom K #212986 November 9, 2020 9:56 am 3
Time is suspended in the realm of the absurd.edit: Hold on hold on… the Red Queen.
Falcone #213034 November 9, 2020 11:19 am 8
Here’s my reason Will voting make the POC go away? Nope. Ok, so no need to vote then.
skeptic16 #213049 November 9, 2020 11:46 am 5
Just voting with your feet will make POC go away (for now).
Alzaebo #213195 November 9, 2020 4:18 pm 1
Them: “Feets, don’t fail me now!”
Bill Mullins #213321 November 10, 2020 8:15 am 1
The people celebrating Biden think they will get reeducation camps and proscription lists, but instead they will end up with a less coherent version of Bush II.From your keyboard to whomever/whatever is in charge’s ears. I sincerely hope you’re correct. I’m too old to have to worry about ending up in a camp – I don’t reckon they can get ’em setup and running in 4 years and I would be utterly gob smacked if I live to vote in the next general election. But I have a son in his early 50s and a daughter about to hit 40 and if the camps come they’re the ones who’ll see them coming. My son also has 3 grown children and 3 grandchildren of his own and all are pure aryan stock so prime candidates for the camps.Z Man, I’d love to hear/read your reasoning for the above assertion. I figure Kameltoe is going to launch a 25th Amendment coup on Dopey/Gropey Joe as soon as practical. Would you be surprised to see someone like AOC as her choice to do a Jerry Ford? I’ve also heard rumors of Pelosi being deposed in favor of AOC. What are your thoughts.DOthe wackos have enough pull to swing something like that?those elites that are a permanent feature of all societies control public policy in a liberal democracy, just as they do in every other form of governmentI believe that the aforementioned elites consider dissidents of any sort to be a threat so why wouldn’t they allow the likes of us to be rounded up and “re-educated” to death? Really like to understand Z Man’s thinking on this.liberal democracy, without the brake of thermonuclear war, is a runaway train of partisan fury. Instead of disputes being settled at the ballot box, each election intensifies the dispute.The Left is united and unquestionably has the bit in its teeth. What’s toSTOPthem from fulfilling many of our worst fears? The only lever of power they do not control is SCOTUS and even that is but a single funeral away. Some of our AJs are getting rather long in the tooth and, well, shit happens; doesn’t it?
DonQuayveous Doolittle #213258 November 9, 2020 6:15 pm 1
https://youtu.be/D1UNuG-Chwghhh The audience is us gentlemen.
Alzaebo #213251 November 9, 2020 5:54 pm 1
At Taki’s, that dog is not wearing a mask. Reported.
swrichmond #213319 November 10, 2020 7:11 am 0
You describe symptoms but not cause. The cause is of course the growth of government influence into every aspect of everyone’s life. Government is force, threats and intimidation. Most people just want to be left alone. Only the radicals want to force everyone to ascribe to their views and philosophy.
diconez #213307 November 10, 2020 1:14 am 0
the bourgeois quest for objectivity and civics only made sense in the scarcity world, and/or aristocratic/hierarchical societies where the elites couldn’t legally be removed by vote, so they had to work hard not to be removed by guillotine. after the fall of hierarchy*, liberal democracy still did well for a while because the freemasons ran the show well under their “don’t upset the industrial-finance complex cart” doctrine; defeating trads/fashs and subsuming marxists as shock troops, to create a slavish neocon controlled right and a squishy neolib middle to fall back on. the majority of postwar western people would be in this middle, the kind that would believe in freedom and democracy and consumerist success for everyone.until of course post-scarcity and the ensuing degeneracy. the end of the Soviet threat made us hunt Serb/Somali/Afghan/Iraqi/Syrian/Libyan tribesmen, and allow men in dresses to raise children and read tales in libraries to them, while they are raised weaklings in pods, allergic not only to the environment but reality, and fed through fads into a chained materialist life.that said, coming from a low trust society, i’d let you know that boycotting the vote may work at times only if the people rejecting the charade are ready to defend their stance and not let themselves be governed by the thieves. (which is why i support Trump’s effort to prove the fraud and win, it’s some response at least.) even then, boycotting isn’t worth much in the long run, because the elites eventually figure they just need to be better armed than the populace in order to quell rebellions and implant “democracy”. granted, in my experience those elites usually had some foreign backing that helped the quelling, money elites the USA, intellectual elites USSR.then again, the CCP and Israel combine both and are the worst of both worlds, influencing the post-cold war age in similar ways. small example: CCP unleashed virus to defeat DJT, Israel releases the cure just in time to help Bush Lite. not even Russia is a dependable nationalist backer, while mostly okay they still have issues with us and themselves of course. so idk, maybe a boycott and revolt will happen eventually (how about a massive strike? it works for the left), but perhaps first the GOP must finish itself by allowing nevertrumpers and javankas to remain around. if and when Trump is abandoned, then the people may attempt a boycott and revolt, perhaps with the intermediate step of creating a third party that may succeed. still… considering the amount of institutional rigging, maybe in the long run separation is a clear possibility.*of course, the breakdown of aristocracy can happen. 1789 happened due to things going really swell for monarchical France for a while and then quite bad few decades before the revolution. sure, you had the hypocritical elite freemason ideologues, but without the hungry Parisians and bad harvests they wouldn’t have had legitimacy. again though, eventually post-scarcity revealed the charade.
Alzaebo #213288 November 9, 2020 9:34 pm 0
Late update: Air lines, cruise lines, and employers/insurers will require proof of vaccination. The HealthPass.
Severian #213262 November 9, 2020 6:46 pm 0
I’m taking all this to heart. I’m old and single, so I can stay here, but I’m strongly encouraging my sis and her young kids to get out of the USA here in the next three-five years. I’m thinking Argentina. Any thoughts? Any advice? Thanks in advance.
The Wild Geese Howard #213286 November 9, 2020 8:42 pm 1
A year ago I’d have said Chile, but they are now in the process of having their own Woke riots.
Alzaebo #213291 November 9, 2020 9:49 pm 1
I think the Azeri-Armenian border war is a prelude to Iran, at least pressure on Russia, Christian Armenia’s patron. Is this why Putin is scramming? An impending attack on Russia? Severian, Whiskey, this might get real global, real fast.
Falcone #213299 November 9, 2020 10:57 pm 0
I think that thing has potential to blow up and of course Biden will take the Muslim / Iran side and not the Christian Armenian / Russian side
Falcone #213292 November 9, 2020 9:51 pm 1
If you do not have Latin blood it may be a pain in the ass being around a lot of Italians and Spanish, and if you are a Nord there will be days when you feel alone. Although all are Europeans, there are a lot of differences that northern whites/Europeans will get frustrated with and vice versa.Here is something that I think speaks to a lot of the difference. An Italian will look for the quickest way to finish a job so he can then relax and do nothing for the rest of the day. Not that they cut corners, they just can focus for a few hours and learn as they go and complete the job. Then they get to sit around and gab and maybe take a nap or sneak off early. A Nord, on the other hand, will plan and plot his approach for a few hours and figure he has all day to complete the same task and go about it methodically and groan and gripe and make sure you hear how hard it all is so maybe you toss him a small bonus.I have been in this country for two generations and I STILL have problems with a lot of northern European whites who just take all damn day to do something. So if it hasn’t been bred out me yet, safe to say it’s genetic disposition to a different outlook on life. And there you really have it. Latins work to live, Nords live to work. Sums it up and something one should contemplate if they plan on moving.


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