Optics Matter

One of the timeless lessons of this year has been that the future is always going to be full of surprises. To start the year, no one could have predicted the Covid panic and the rise of local tyrants using the panic to push people around. A month ago, no one would have predicted the recent events in Kenosha. It just seemed like these ruling class riots would continue in the same manner until the election. Then suddenly we have video of a young white kid fighting for his life in the streets.

It is way too soon to know how the story of Kyle Rittenhouse ends, but there is no doubt that this event stands out from all others this year. It does not fit the standard narrative the Left likes to jam all events. Public reaction to it has thus far been much different than we have seen with recent events. There is a good chance that this event may be the inflection point in the coming election. Even though we are still early in the story, there are several good lessons to be drawn from this event.

The obvious lesson right away is that appearances matter. Kyle Rittenhouse is a sweet looking kid who looks like a typical white teenager. Even without the closeups, just looking at the video, it is clear he is not a villain on the prowl. If he was an inked-up gym rat, he would not have gained instant sympathy. People would have assumed he was looking for trouble and found it. If he had Nazi neck art, then the initial response would have been entirely negative.

The fact is, looks matter. More precisely, presentation matters. It is the starting people for everyone trying to assess new information. Humans are pattern matching creatures, so we quickly try to match new events to known events. As soon as one is found, then that becomes the starting point. As Oscar Wilde joked, “It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.” In this case, the starting point is one that elicits sympathy and compassion from most people.

This is the lesson the alt-right never learned. They not only convinced themselves that appearances don’t matter, they went out of their way to strike a bad pose. The fact is, the facts almost always take a back seat to people’s impressions. The handsome, well dressed salesman will move more product than the slovenly salesman, even when the latter has a superior product to the former. Politics is about persuasion and in the persuasion game, looks count for a lot.

Another lesson of this event is that you have to engage people where they are, not where you wish them to be. Everyone on this side of the great divide understands that these riots are part of the larger demographic issue. People on the other side of the divide, the normal whites, do not understand the demographic angle. In fact, they have been conditioned to avoid the topic altogether. Like dogs trained with a shock collar, they flinch whenever the race issue arises.

This story resonates with normal white people because it is a gun story, a self-defense story and a civic nationalism story. The race angle is still there, but instead of being the face of it, it is background noise. The heart of this story is stuff normal white people can understand and they are comfortable discussing. If this is Nazi-guy shooting black people, no lawyer is taking the case and no prominent people are speaking out in favor of the shooter. Instead, it is trophy for the Left.

Engaging people where they are opens doors. The oldest truth of sales is people buy from people. In politics, people buy from people with whom they can relate and who care about their issues. The people passionate about race, ethnicity and demographics are already on this side of the great divide. The people on the other side are passionate about other things. The path for them over to this side is through those issues, so mocking those issues, as so many do, is counter-productive.

Another useful lesson here is that the enemy is not a collection of super-intelligent super-villains. They often get high off their own supply. The crazies in the Antifa media are running this story as if the shooter is an evil white Hitler guy. They can’t see past their own ideological blinders. Their hatred for white people is so all consuming, they are trying to sell this as a racist attack. A headline like this over a picture of Rittenhouse is so incongruous that is suggests mental illness is at play.

We see another side of this with the Wisconsin prosecutor. A left-wing fanatic, immersed in that subculture, he immediately assumed Rittenhouse is an evil Nazi guy from one of their campfire stories. Charging this kid with capital murder is so outrageous and evil, it makes the kid into a symbol of everything that is wrong. Someone in control of his faculties would have gone for the lowest charge and worked from there. These people win because they have power, not because they are smart.

There will be a lot more to come as this story unfolds, but one final lesson is that winning the optics war counts for a lot. The so-called conservatives have avoided this story entirely thus far. The reason is they were destroyed by the Nick Sandman debacle and they are still hurting from it. They lost that optics battle. Public relations are a big business because optics matter. The winner is often the side that simply makes the best first impression on the public.

That is why those involved in dissident politics have always got to remember to be the friendly face to the skeptical public. If you meet the expectations people have for the good guys, you get treated as the good guys. If you insist on playing the role of the bad guy, then you will lose every fight, even when you are right. The person who seizes the moral high ground is almost always the person people initially trust. It is always better to be fighting from the top than from the bottom.

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whitney #194781 August 28, 2020 8:02 am 73
The current Representatives of our side, Kyle Ritterhouse and Nick Sandman, are filled with the promise of Youth, innocence and goodness . It is a profound contrast to what you see on the other side. Things really are beginning to resemble Lord of the Rings
Epaminondas #194796 August 28, 2020 8:21 am 18
With CNN’s Jeff Zucker as Grima Wormtongue.
CF Omally #194835 August 28, 2020 9:25 am 11
I always thought of Kershner as Wormtongue.
Epaminondas #194862 August 28, 2020 9:50 am 2
Yes, precisely! Good catch. Here is Zucker… http://images2.fanpop.com/image/polls/431000/431065_1272504603675_full.jpg
Bill Mullins #194887 August 28, 2020 10:17 am 6
Ah, excuse me, but I think you owe the Uruk-hai an apology.
Valley Lurker #194945 August 28, 2020 11:30 am 6
That little (((doughboy))) Stetler always struck me as wormtongue like.
Tim from Nashua #195202 August 29, 2020 8:57 pm 3
It has been reported (in The Hill) that Nick Sandman has joined Mitch McConnell’s re-election campaign in some capacity. Hope he isn’t being groomed to be another Charlie Kirk.
3g4me #195219 August 30, 2020 11:17 am 0
I’d hate to see Sandmann become a typical ConInc. shill, and besides being useless to Whites, McConnell’s Han wife is a major grifter.
Whitney #195228 August 30, 2020 3:31 pm 0
I saw that. We are all corruptible. We can pray for him and hopefully he will be praying also
Karl McHungus #194780 August 28, 2020 8:01 am 69
Kyle is a lot fitter than he looks 🙂 just a little residual baby fat i think. anyway, he was moving and scanning, while under fire, for a good few minutes. on the ground he was rotating and covering like 270 degrees of perimeter.this event, and poor Cannon Hinnant’s murder, are definitely the pebbles that are leading to an avalanche.what made this event so harmful to the left, is the total absence of negroes “in the frame”. it’s literally normal America fighting crazy perverted criminal hordes. and winning. the media will drop this soon, once the initial polling comes in showing Kyle is a national hero.
Glenfilthie #194805 August 28, 2020 8:36 am 49
That was some stellar riflecraft – and an important side issue that deserves mention. Contrast and compare young master Kyle ‘s technique with that of the officer that shot Jacob Blake at arm’s length. Many, if not most civvies can outshoot the cops.
Karl McHungus #194806 August 28, 2020 8:38 am 16
OMG, how many times have 5 or 6 cops fired off 80+ shots hitting several bystanders, if not the perp?! happens *all* the time. anyone here not heard of the “Hollywood Shootout” between a pair of bank robbers, and the Hollywood police? do yourself a favor and watch it on youtube!
SamlAdams #194829 August 28, 2020 9:14 am 30
An only half-joke from an ex-NYPD elite services unit guy—and had several gunfights under his belt— “the only two safe places to be when an beat patrolman is shooting is directly in front or directly behind”
thezman #194834 August 28, 2020 9:23 am 20
Yeah, I’ve heard a similar version. I used to shoot at a range that trained county and state cops. It was pretty wild seeing some of these people at the range. One of the instructors used to joke, “The safest place on the range is behind the target.”
Diversity Heretic #195083 August 28, 2020 5:12 pm 5
The observation, if counterintuitive, is true. A shooter jerking a trigger is much more likely to land shots around the target than on it. A shooter who can concentrate on his front sight and a compressed trigger squeeze is deadly dangerous in a fight.
thezman #195087 August 28, 2020 5:18 pm 7
My observation was that they loved hitting the bit of angle iron from which the target was attached. New shooters and shooters who lack confidence always shoot high. They let the weapon control them. It’s like a carnival ride for them.
tarstarkas #194874 August 28, 2020 9:57 am 9
The cops shot over250 roundsinto the car with the hostage in it! They hit the hostage like 10 times and the missed the bad guy entirely.They had some former cops do an “independent” evaluation. What a joke. They basically excused every excess and every failure to obey existing policy and, surprise, surprise, recommend they raise taxes and spend more money!There are 2 incidents that happened just in the last year that are pretty bad with the cops shooting up a neighborhood and a highway and using citizens as human shields like it was the OK Corral! That was the UPS incident in Florida, IIRC, and the Jewish supermarket in Newark.The cops are out of control. And when the shit hits the fan, they run away every single time.
Valley Lurker #194943 August 28, 2020 11:26 am 7
Bank of the West, Stockton CA. The police let the perps leave the scene and then proceeded to have a roving gun battle on the streets the led to one of the hostages being killed. Want to say it was 5 years ago approximately.
Amwolf #195005 August 28, 2020 1:43 pm 5
Don’t forget the “Hollywood Shootout” back in the 90’s (which inspired the movieHEAT).
acetone #195128 August 28, 2020 10:22 pm 5
It was insane how close the antifa guys were to Kyle. There is no way, IMO, to train for gun fights at ranges of < 1 foot, while running and rolling around on the ground. I think the recommendation from a technique perspective would be to shoot the guys before they get this close. He was skilled and lucky to survive. I take it as a good omen!
Dutch #194850 August 28, 2020 9:44 am 25
He “disarmed” the one he didn’t kill, too 😉
SidVic #195051 August 28, 2020 3:56 pm 24
Frankly, i was amazed. He managed only shoot direct attackers. You get nervous in these situations and the spray and pray gets deployed more often than not. There is a phenomena of deer fever. The first buck you shoot- your hands tend to shake. This baby-faced, chubby kid managed to just shoot the right people. They head shot was reserved for the pedo. luck and poise. Gentleman, our killers are beginning to be spawned like white t-cells. You ever notice how every once in a while you fuk with the wrong person?
waitingForTheStorm #194886 August 28, 2020 10:17 am 50
Whatever else is said, the riots stopped in Kenosha, at least thus far. A probability of death yields civility. I believe that this fine young man and intrepid patriot should be commended for performing a valuable and necessary public service. Free Kyle.
Karl McHungus #194920 August 28, 2020 11:05 am 27
he probably saved more than three lives, by popping the three perverts.
Gravity Denier #194922 August 28, 2020 11:08 am 22
Free Kyle. Tell it, Waiting! For half a century we’ve been hearing lefties using the “Free X” sympathy extraction app. “Free Huey!” “Free the East Cloaca 500!” We can make hay with the same kind of messaging.
Anonymousse #195074 August 28, 2020 4:55 pm 11
Anyone out there marketing free Kyle merch yet? I’d LOVE to see that become a normie thing. Impossible to overstate what a huge redpill that would be. actually just YELLING “free kyle!” At sporting events or whenever news reporters are around would be huge. next MAGA speech “free kyle” should be the new “build the wall”
Alzaebo #195059 August 28, 2020 4:14 pm 11
#IStandWithKyle #SayTheirNames
usNthem #194941 August 28, 2020 11:24 am 19
And no one will care about a couple of dirty white boys getting whacked. No baby mommas will get trotted out say they were good boys who just made a few poor decisions earlier in life and then a really bad one recently. I imagine a large number of people are secretly glad some of these scabs are finally getting some just desserts.
Karl McHungus #194980 August 28, 2020 12:29 pm 8
i know i am 🙂 especially the midget!
Jacques Lebeau #195017 August 28, 2020 2:10 pm 4
Delighted!
Bilejones #195045 August 28, 2020 3:47 pm 9
“And no one will care about a couple of dirty white boys getting whacked.” (((White))) boys.
Vizzini #195084 August 28, 2020 5:13 pm 8
The media have surely been trying though. Search their names and you’ll find plenty of articles about what wonderful folk they were.
Penitent Man #194951 August 28, 2020 11:39 am 20
It doesn’t hurt that his attackers (those targeted by his rifle work) were white and criminal.I’ve been saying for awhile that retribution/counter-attack should initially be focused against the “good whites.”Obviously this is a case in extremis and spontaneity, but the result is clear. Leftist white “victims” will garner little support (if not open disdain) from normie whites and only lip service from the myopic blacks. The only people screeching about this are leftist circles in an echo chamber.Where Our Quislings can be harmed/hindered… do so. Isolate Our enemy’s elements individually by vulnerability and then roll them up once weakened.
sentry #194979 August 28, 2020 12:27 pm 13
I’ve been saying for awhile that retribution/counter-attack should initially be focused against the “good whites.”Yes, because being white Judah is the only time when whitey gets a pat on the back, this element must be removed from white society.
pozymandias #195200 August 29, 2020 5:52 pm 4
Every white and (((white))) shitlib killed, jailed, or otherwise incapacitated, probably leads to 3 or 4 minorities being demobilized from these fights as well. Blacks are easy to despise but the Left just uses them as human shields and battering rams. Taking out the white shitbags who organize, direct, and arm these swarthy goons pays multiples of what you put in.
Epaminondas #194789 August 28, 2020 8:14 am 54
Another feather in our cap is the fact that Lin Wood, Nick Sandmann’s attorney, has offered to work for Kyle Rittenhouse pro bono. I have heard other lawyers are stepping up. That’s a good sign. The Legend of Kyle Rittenhouse is growing…
Chet Rollins #194833 August 28, 2020 9:22 am 20
We should replace a destroyed confederate statue with a statue of Kyle.As great as antiquity is, modern times also require modern heroes and myths.
Karl McHungus #194931 August 28, 2020 11:15 am 6
Kyle as he was putting one into the midget rapist’s head. the latter will be carved with a look of immense surprise on that demon baby face.
Ostei Kozelskii #195175 August 29, 2020 12:24 pm 2
Remember Rittenhouse.
MemeWarVet #194779 August 28, 2020 7:57 am 43
I’ve started referring to a certain basketball-American as “Black Supremacist Lebron James” around NormieCons. Getting a positive reaction from it.
Doug #194791 August 28, 2020 8:14 am 67
Karl McHungus #194849 August 28, 2020 9:43 am 13
and no reach-around for queen james! he went from being a power forward, to being a power bottom 😛
RoBG #195030 August 28, 2020 2:50 pm 6
Then you haven’t seen the latest: Kushner is reaching out to LeBronhttps://tinyurl.com/y54a4uo3Take-away quote “let’s both figure out what we both want to accomplish and let’s come up with a common pathway to get there”
Official Bologna Tester #195057 August 28, 2020 4:13 pm 11
If you expect nothing from kushner and his old lady, you’ll never be disappointed.
sentry #195061 August 28, 2020 4:20 pm 6
NBA gibbons shoot themselves in the foot, Jewred decides to cuck on behalf of Trump.
acetone #195127 August 28, 2020 10:16 pm 2
Thats a super bad look from Kushner and no doubt worst case scenarios are possible from him. On the other hand, ’tis election season. If we are to cuck hard, now until November is the time to do it. Supposedly minority polling is moving trumps direction. Maybe these outreach efforts are bearing fruit…
Ostei Kozelskii #195035 August 28, 2020 3:05 pm 6
Well, why not? He’s one of the poster children for Black Supremacist America.
Marko #194787 August 28, 2020 8:11 am 37
Last night I was texting with an old friend who has moved leftward. He started off by saying that Tucker will be cancelled for siding with Kyle. Later on he wrote that “If a black guy had done it, entire groups would be deemed terrorists”. It was so ass-backward I didn’t even know how to react. So I let it go and moved onto other things. But it gave me a good reminder American whites are basically two people now: the leftist ones who cling to old civil rights ideas, and the civic nationalist ones who cling to old libertarian ideas. The civil rights side is not worth saving.
MemeWarVet #194794 August 28, 2020 8:18 am 2
Curious – what made this friend move Leftward?
Doug #194797 August 28, 2020 8:25 am 8
I would guess overexposure to FakeBook.
Apex Predator #194848 August 28, 2020 9:41 am 22
Lack of intelligence, no intellectual curiosity, too much passive consumption of propaganda, etc. Basically your average normie American. I have several friends from HS who would copiously use ‘the N word’ and could very clearly tell you the difference between a black male and an N.Today? They’d be clutching their pearls at the mere thought of any of it relating to their new god, blacks. Remember, this has been positioned through 24×7 mass indoctrination to be a religious cult and it is exactly that. You aren’t going to break a cultist out of their devotion and the fact that people have been physically attacked and still remain loyal should tell you that.Cut your losses and move on. You can’t save everyone, nor should you. That is time you could be investing in the salvageable.
Bill Mullins #194896 August 28, 2020 10:31 am 11
That is time you could be investing in the salvageable. The word you’re looking for is “triage”.
Marko #194916 August 28, 2020 10:58 am 12
Exactly. This old friend actually put a line from a Nazi (the “reach for my gun” quote) in the freaking yearbook, and all our chats prior to 2020 seemed to suggest he was race-realist. But now he has a BLM sign in his yard. I don’t know why he’s moved leftward but he is certainly charmed by the antiracist movement.
Tom K #194984 August 28, 2020 12:36 pm 7
There’s pussy involved in that. Whipped that is.
Altitude Zero #194992 August 28, 2020 1:02 pm 14
“If a black guy had done it, entire groups would be deemed terrorists” How out of touch do you have to be to realize that black guys do this kind of stuff EVERY FU*KING DAY! Your friend is hopeless. Get new friends, pronto!
abprosper #195050 August 28, 2020 3:54 pm 6
There are a lot of cultural conservatives , note the small C who are really weak .They either want to get eaten last or are terrified by the implications of ethnic and religious groups that cannot under any circumstances share a polity . Any sane person would be, Bosnia x Rwanda is no joke.Some are Civ Nats who genuinely believe in magic dirt.Many have terrible cognitive dissonance with the idea that for the most part with a few exceptions, politics is genetic and racial and regression to the mean will end up with the vast majority being the bottom.There are people who every ethnic group who are genuinely assimilated but unless the society and its foundation are genuinely Anglo Saxon than regression to the mean gets you what we have now, only worse.The Know Nothings were Right. The original Republic only worked with an English society. That failed with the Germans but the Anglo Saxon society was workable.That we must haveor best case its a 2nd tier society after the wars end,.
acetone #195133 August 28, 2020 10:45 pm 2
Where does he live, what does he do for living, who is his wife? There you will find the answers to your friends evolution.
pozymandias #194994 August 28, 2020 1:04 pm 9
You’ve got a large pool of young whites out there raised by women and weak men without any moral reference points. Before the beer flu panic though, most had jobs and placed to go when not at work. They were aimless, drunken, weed smoking, morally bankrupt human flotsam. Now without work or places to go to spend their money they’ve been mobilized by the BLM and antifa cult. The cult offers a morality and focus of sorts, albeit a twisted one. It also offers these mass public gatherings which replace the closed bars and nightclubs as places to get wasted and look for poon. The skeevy tattooed white chicks are there looking for black dick and the soyboys arrive hoping to get at them before Tyrone does.A lot of leftist dominated metropoles like Portland and Seattle spent years making themselves deliberately attractive to this type without realizing that they were piling up human ammonium nitrate like the Beirut port authority did with the real stuff.The sensible thing to do here in Portland to restore a semblance of order early on, say back in May, would have been to declare the virus lockdowns to have been a fraternity prank that got out of control and re-open whatever businesses are still there. It’s all too late and the city is fucked now though. The bomb has gone off and even the businesses who have so far been outside the blast radius are preemptively leaving.
Karl McHungus #194813 August 28, 2020 8:46 am 11
you should try and bang this friend’s GF, if she isn’t to fugly (or has herpes). strike a blow for freedom and all…
whitney #194845 August 28, 2020 9:36 am 20
I can’t believe you still have leftist friends. Kyle Rittenhouse’ battle the other night showed that this is actually a civil war between white people. You’re consorting with the Enemy
Epaminondas #194873 August 28, 2020 9:56 am 15
I have liberal neighbors who might try to harm me in a civil conflict. Otherwise, they are kind and responsible. Should I wait for the first shot? We eye one another uneasily these days…
OrangeFrog #194901 August 28, 2020 10:36 am 16
Yes indeed. Always quite disheartening to know that the fellow you used to have a friendly chat with and who did a few favours for you will dob you into the law in a heartbeat because ‘racist’ or ‘sexist’ or ‘gun owner’ or whatever you fancy… This of course just shows how far things have fallen. When a set of people can’t just function socially because the insanity of the politics gets in the way. And this insanity comes entirely from the left.
whitney #194907 August 28, 2020 10:45 am 20
Well, if you’re asking my advice it would be don’t shoot your neighbor just yet
abprosper #195044 August 28, 2020 3:45 pm 10
Don’t do stupid and illegal things obviously.But if it comes to the worst case scenario, the law won’t natter and no more brother wars doesn’t apply till after the its all over.Also its important that we learn something to the small hats, there is absolutely no time limit of paying the price for the other guys, war criminals all. Ninety three years old? We don’t care.There will be no mercy , no pity and no let no matter how long it takes.Obviously the goal is to try and avoid this but our society is very ill and the medicine that could help, a geniune actual pro civic , pro Western religious movement isn’t there.So its going to get sicker and sicker and probably die, virtue signaled to death like societal lupus.
pozymandias #195053 August 28, 2020 4:00 pm 7
No guilt, no regrets, no forgiveness, no mercy.
Screwtape #194911 August 28, 2020 10:48 am 22
This. As the holiness requirements of leftism escalates toward the singularity of equalitydiversity, these “normie” leftists will do whatever it takes to preserve their standing within the cult. They question of these “friends” choosing the cult over their non-believer friends is not if, but when. In my own circle I have been methodically downgrading these friends into acquaintances over the years. I dont treat them as enemies overtly but I do view them as instruments of the enemy and thus mitigate and minimize my exposure to them and the tentacles of their various causes.
Karl McHungus #194973 August 28, 2020 12:20 pm 4
you have to be this way, for your own safety. why wait for things to get ugly to do what is inevitable.
Jack Dobson #194786 August 28, 2020 8:10 am 37
Another useful lesson here is that the enemy is not a collection of super-intelligent super-villains. They often get high off their own supply.On top of the very good practical advice you offered, this is the most important point to me. Our enemies are powerful but incredibly stupid. It may have been a misimpression, but they seemed much brighter in the past. Perhaps they became mentally lazy after seizing power? As is the case with the biggest idiots, they live in a bubble and tell each other they are smart and that adds to this vulnerability. We saw this play out with the FBI/Intelligence Community-led coup attempt. The rank idiocy of it explained much as to why the United States has lost every war it has entered since WWII. These people are what passes for the State’s brain.Kyle Rittenhouse was a national hero when he entered Cheesehead Lubyanka. When the commissars charged him with first degree murder, he became a martyr.There will me attempts to memoryhole this story as the facts become widely known. Don’t let it be, and mention it to friends, family and on social media and the Internet. We have been handed a golden opportunity here, and on top of that, Kyle represents everything we must defend.
Chet Rollins #194825 August 28, 2020 9:09 am 16
>Don’t let it be, and mention it to friends, family and on social media and the Internet.The Court of Facebook has already stated their verdict, and said they would delete any post supportive of Kyle.
Roberto #194983 August 28, 2020 12:36 pm 8
My fb post with donation info for Kyle is still up and getting some likes from friends.
Ben the Layabout #194847 August 28, 2020 9:41 am 12
We may be able to thank legalized marijuana in many States. The whites who gravitate to BLM or Antifa are not known for avoiding the weed Cannabis is a pretty tame drug as drugs go, but it’s also not known to spur intelligence, initiative, or good judgment 🙂
Karl McHungus #194854 August 28, 2020 9:47 am 8
those guys are using meth or PCP, not weed. tojo didn’t give the troops malt liquor and weed before a bonzai charge 🙂
LineInTheSand #195022 August 28, 2020 2:20 pm 9
Portland is the weed capitol of the country, which attracts a certain kind of person. It is no accident that the worst riots are happening in the weed capitol. One of my best friends lives in Portland. Although he is a capable entrepreneur, his highest value in life is legal weed. I love the guy, but he deserves to have his house burned down. I’ll light the match.
ProZNoV #195047 August 28, 2020 3:49 pm 6
For now. Can’t get into an elevator in a decent hotel in Denver without being overpowered by the noxious odor of spent marijuana smoke. Coming soon to an elevator near you, I’m sure.
Karl McHungus #195149 August 29, 2020 4:12 am 0
Denver is the Amsterdam of the midwest! It always looks like a Grateful Dead concert is playing, there now.
acetone #195132 August 28, 2020 10:42 pm 5
Same thing happened to one of my buddies in Seattle. The life he lives now is shell of what it was 15 years ago. Weed is super addictive for some folks. Its breaking my heart to see it.
Alzaebo #195056 August 28, 2020 4:10 pm 1
Then we must build jails for every 2A hunter in Texas, Michigan, and Kentucky! Good thing the psychological warfare- lockdowns, masks, media, and (((left-funded))) feminist judges didn’t do any damage. Keep punching right for the WIN
Vegetius #195181 August 29, 2020 12:58 pm 3
People say that a lot of this behavior is hysterical. I wonder if this is psychotic, a group or mass psychosis, in the clinical sense of the term. I am not talking about the new foot-washing cult, but the people actually out tearing things up in the street.Hypothesis: the long-term effects of ideological conditioning, plus the dopamine cycles produced by social media plus daily, super-strong, vaporized marijuana use, plus the years-long paranoid Russiagate hoax equals at a minimum hundreds of thousands of people who were well-prepared for a mental health episode.To this, add months of plague propaganda, the real stress of lock-down increasing economic anxiety. Now they are really primed.Add a spark: the Fentanyl Kid.Andy Ngo’s coverage of all this in Portland suggests that certain fringe elements already disposed towards mental health issues (the mixed-race, the gender dysphoric) are massively over-represented in the rioters, or at least those getting arrested.I am mindful of the way that psychiatry was turned into (some would say created as) a weapon by the usual suspects in the 20th century.  But that does not mean that it is all bullshit, as some would like to believe. I wonder what the psych community is saying about all of this.
Screwtape #194885 August 28, 2020 10:17 am 20
Kyle will likely be helped by the consistency of his good image being replicated on social media. But this is a rare thing.Social media is dangerous. The downside is some multiple of its utility. We need to be steering kids away from the chambers of the satanic people who hate them at every opportunity.Each account is a self-constructing opposition research dossier. One bad “optics” moment and the mainstream media and public courts will turn a good kid into a monster.We debate the wisdom of a kid being out at night with a gun, but there are millions of kids with phones, at home on any given night, that are in enemy territory for hours at a time handing their potential futures to the very forces that want them enslaved in globopedo or dead.I dont know the solution, but social media is a problem that needs to be addressed head on. If optics matters why would we hand over ours and our children’s images to satan’s PR department?
c matt #194919 August 28, 2020 11:05 am 9
To be fair, our enemy’sfoot soldiersare idiots. Not so sure about the generals. Although I think the generals may have miscalculated how much control they have over the lower ranks. We shall see.
RoBG #195036 August 28, 2020 3:06 pm 7
The foot-soldiers and propaganda-purveyors may not be that smart, but their masters are. Otherwise they wouldn’t have taken control of media, corporations, banking, the military, etc. so easily.
Karl McHungus #195150 August 29, 2020 4:13 am 1
nah, it was easy to do. the soft left oldies were a push over for the hard left.
Ostei Kozelskii #195171 August 29, 2020 12:12 pm 0
The “masters” don’t control the mobs.
acetone #195131 August 28, 2020 10:40 pm 2
Not sure I agree with you. I think our enemies are pretty smart. Don’t get to control the entire apparatus of the US goverment, deep state, big business without make some good decisions. Their guys getting killed/arrested at these protests are their disposable shock troops.
Karl McHungus #194820 August 28, 2020 8:53 am 34
that little shit stain that took a head shot is a hoot. there is video of him screaming “shoot me nigga!” over and over; and of course a few minutes later he is on the ground twitching like Johnny Ringo 😛 he has to be a strong contender for darwin award of the year!
Chet Rollins #194828 August 28, 2020 9:14 am 14
Something tells me he wanted to die for a long time but didn’t have the gumption to do the deed himself.
v_cog #194842 August 28, 2020 9:33 am 9
You might be on to something here. He was a registered sex offender after all, so clearly a demented person to begin with.
SamlAdams #194844 August 28, 2020 9:36 am 7
With a 12 year old. When in 20s.
v_cog #194856 August 28, 2020 9:48 am 14
truly the type of hero that the BLM crowd deserves
brunob #194906 August 28, 2020 10:45 am 2
betting he fancied himself a porn producer working a near future prospect.
Karl McHungus #194876 August 28, 2020 9:57 am 3
i think it was more of a case of trying to redeem yourself (stubby man’s self), but being off by 180 degrees in your act of penitence. i.e. they serve satan as a way to get to heaven…ooops, you on da ron bus brah. wish i was there to pee into his upturned face, as he lay there dying “this is how much your life is worth SHAKE”
Educated.redneck #195055 August 28, 2020 4:10 pm 3
On the contrary, if that scum was on fire, I wouldn’t piss on him to put it out.
Screwtape #194950 August 28, 2020 11:39 am 14
Yes. The leftist death cult is slow suicide. A longing for death that if not provided to them will result in genocide.It is no surprise that the front lines are full of monsters begging to be put down by better men.As you approach the extreme edge of the cult, the visible ugliness displayed begins to mirror what resides inside cut for cut.The self-mutilation and embracing of all matters of hideousness is plain to see in the females while the males abandon all pretenses of the perverted politik in favor of the raw suicidal impulses that animate their tortured souls.They are literally twitching and spitting for the hoe to liberate their heads.
Ostei Kozelskii #195177 August 29, 2020 12:34 pm 1
Same probably goes for Hutus like St. George and Joseph Blake. Suicide by cop.
David Wright #194955 August 28, 2020 11:45 am 8
Poor soul, he was just too high strung.
Karl McHungus #194969 August 28, 2020 12:17 pm 1
haha i love that scene so much.
acetone #195136 August 28, 2020 11:01 pm 3
The videography from the riots is chilling. Its crazy to see this video popping up on twitter and 4chan in real time. Very, very different media environment (intimacy, proximity, immediacy, minimal gate keeping) than even 2 or 3 years ago.
David Wright #194800 August 28, 2020 8:29 am 31
Walking around recently seeing everyone in a mask reminded me of the Harlon Ellison short story title ” I have no mouth and I must scream” It feels like that in many ways with no outlet for my outrage except commenting here and there on like minded forums.The ignored atrocities of the five year old boy being murdered or the fender bender killer killing that white couple are just the tip. Where would this seventeen yearold Kyle Rittenhouse fit into a narrative if he was at the founding of our country. There would eventually be statues being one of the first to effectively fight back.Just today Gofundme on it’s own is pushing for the Anthony Huber the “fearless skateboarder” while at the same time taking down fund raising for Rittenhouse. Tim Cook of Apple is calling Jacob Blake another Emmett Till. All the sportsball teams are all in with this nonsense with more demands.Will the scream happen in November and if so will it make much of a difference? At best we get four more years of some Trump and a lot of Kushner. I hope normie America is feeling this and seeing reality for once. We are definitely being targeted and obviously a real pogrom will ensue on our asses if Trump loses.What a year so far.
Ben the Layabout #194864 August 28, 2020 9:51 am 1
I’m shopping for a Colt Arms AR-15 or equivalent. I’m trained in the use of a very similar weapon, even if it was four decades ago.
BTP #194894 August 28, 2020 10:28 am 4
Good luck with that. Guy I know got a Daniel Defense rifle only because he was on their mailing list and acted immediately. Entire stock was sold out in a couple hours. Retailers are on allocation, according to one I talked with.
Bill Mullins #194933 August 28, 2020 11:18 am 0
Looking at a Ruger mini-14 m’self. Never did like the Armalite even though, like you, I was trained (and shot expert) on it.
Bill Mullins #194928 August 28, 2020 11:12 am 8
At best we get four more years of some Trump and a lot of Kirschner. From where I sit four more years of Trump and Kirschner beats the HELL outta ANY amount of Biden and Harris! How many weeks/months you figure it’ll take them to execute the 25th Amendment coup on Dopey/Gropey Joe?
pozymandias #195089 August 28, 2020 5:23 pm 6
If Biden wins and dies soon after I’m really hoping the Dems soak him in formaldehyde and call in some of their buddies from Silly Valley to put a speaker in his throat, hook him up with hydraulics, and play Weekend at Biden’s as long as they can. A dead nation deserves a dead President.
Judge Smails #195123 August 28, 2020 10:05 pm 3
It worked the last four years for RBG. Why not Biden?
Bill Mullins #195163 August 29, 2020 10:15 am 2
No need for him to die. I am convinced that the real purpose of the 25th Amendment was to to provide for a faster legal coup process than the founders provided in the impeachment process outlined in Article I of the Constitution. Those guys were more than smart enough to recognize the need for a.legal way to depose a sitting president. I figure the 25th amendment is just a faster, less “messy” way to.effect a coup but with a wrapper that was palatable to the general public. The problem with a 25th Amendment coup is that it requires the POTUS either to.be such a stinker that his own cabinet (i.e. henchmen) want to.get rid.of.him or to be.such an incompetent fool as not to pack his cabinet with men too.loyal to.consider ousting him. I truly believe that the Dems wanted to.effect a 25th Amendment coup but couldn’t get a majority of Trump’s cabinet to go.along and so were forced to.fallback upon impeachment. Problem with that being anybody with more’n 2 brain cells to.rub together had to know there wasn’t a chance in hell of the Senate.convicting – especially given the lame-ass articles which were all the Dems could manage to gin up.Anyhow, my notion is that Gropey/Dopey Joe has already been snookered into accepting being “retired” under the 25th Amendment with Kamala Harris assuming the presidency some time next spring. I would also be utterly gob smacked if there wasn’t a move to.repeal the 22nd Amendment. We all know how unhappy the left was that O’Bozo had to step down after a scant 8 years.
ZerohTollrants #195111 August 28, 2020 7:53 pm 3
When I’m frustrated, I text my hubby that I will be screaming in the garage, don’t be alarmed. It’s pretty good as a quick outlet.
OrangeFrog #194777 August 28, 2020 7:54 am 31
That is why those involved in dissident politics have always got to remember to be the friendly face to the skeptical public. This is the key. The benefit is that, from what I have seen, leftists engaged in any form of ‘debate’ go straight for the jugular: the judgement is instant, the moral posturing as well. I have had many conversations with people – spurred by recent events in the US as well as Europe – where the friendly face has paid dividends. They may or may not have been convinced, but they didn’t outright reject what was being said.
Ostei Kozelskii #195034 August 28, 2020 3:04 pm 10
But my God it’s hard to maintain a pleasant disposition in the presence of these lowlifes.
Drake #194840 August 28, 2020 9:30 am 30
Talking with the group of normals I work out with last night at the gym – every one of them was “good shoot”. They all went on to rant about the obvious bullshit the news was “reporting”. I don’t even have to instigate any more, the left is doing the red-pilling of anyone with a brain now.
Guest #194939 August 28, 2020 11:22 am 22
Agreed. Wifey is teacher in upper-middle class suburban neighborhood with homes valued over $1MM and full of AWFLs. Many AWFLs are confiding in her that they are voting Trump this fall due to the BLM riots, and some have admitted that Kenosha changed everything.Kyle’s optics couldn’t be better. These women see him and they see their son. Then they see what the media is doing to him and they realize it would do the same thing to their son if he had to defend himself from a mob.The disconnect between what they see with their own lying eyes and what they hear from the media is now so great that they can’t process the cognitive dissonance anymore. They are starting the process of waking up. Soon they will stick a toe in the river.
Jack Dobson #194999 August 28, 2020 1:13 pm 12
Kenosha is the Left’s Charlottesville, then. Bad to be them for a change.
Ostei Kozelskii #195180 August 29, 2020 12:38 pm 0
Superb post, brother.
Massagynist #194976 August 28, 2020 12:25 pm 2
Gotta respect the head shot
Official Bologna Tester #195010 August 28, 2020 1:58 pm 1
Gatta respect someone who can read a post and take a hint.
Alzaebo #195066 August 28, 2020 4:42 pm 2
Chad lad
b123 #194783 August 28, 2020 8:03 am 30
Yes sir. Optics matter.I’m a friendly white guy, decently dressed, in decent shape, no tattoos. A good representative of my people, so to speak. No 1776 stickers on my car or Gadsden flags at my house (or confed/nazi). I don’t brag about the firearms I own. I don’t sperg out at random coloured people. Some say I’m almost too “perfect” – what skeletons do I have in my closet?But if I were attacked, I’m just a friendly innocent white guy maimed by angry coloured mobs (or in this case, white/Jewish mobs).This story is great because he’s just a friendly white kid practicing self defense and even the most cucked normiecon can watch it right on video.
BTP #194846 August 28, 2020 9:39 am 19
Agree. It’sbecausehe was doing the CivNat, NormieCon thing and merely defended himself against an obvious and immediate threat to his life that Lin Wood is on the case. In the case where NRO sniffs out which way the wind is blowing and supports Kyle, we will have a real victory.
Paintersforms #194964 August 28, 2020 12:09 pm 7
A 2A guy (presumably), beyond being part of the only group that has successfully conserved anything, strikes a huge blow in the culture war. Maybe they’re onto something.
Amwolf #195025 August 28, 2020 2:24 pm 5
You my friend are practicing superb situational awareness and are the epitome of the “gray man”. Keep up the great work.
ProZNoV #195046 August 28, 2020 3:48 pm 4
Love it. Wonder when the left is going to figure out that just as a man who declines to drink in a bar must paradoxically be an alcoholic therefore… A man who refuses to brag about his guns must be a closet firearm enthusiast?
Arrest Gaige #194790 August 28, 2020 8:14 am 29
Charging this kid with capital murder is so outrageous and evil, it makes the kid into a symbol of everything that is wrong. Gaige Grosskreutz is actually the one who should be arrested for attempted murder, but of course he won’t be.
The Wild Geese Howard #194801 August 28, 2020 8:29 am 33
His Facebook posts about regretting, “not emptying his mag,” will be a goldmine for Kyle’s defense team.
Karl McHungus #194817 August 28, 2020 8:49 am 7
and federal prosecutors
Bill Mullins #194913 August 28, 2020 10:52 am 3
What ARE you toking? Thinking the feds (DOiJ) would get involved in any capacity except to prosecute young Rittenhouse. I figure there are 2 chances of the feds prosecuting anybody but the real victim – anorexic and morbidly obese.
Karl McHungus #194932 August 28, 2020 11:16 am 4
all that means is you have a different guess than i do. we won’t have to wait long to find out who guessed best.
v_cog #194818 August 28, 2020 8:52 am 4
I saw that, it was not a quote from Gaige directly but a secondhand comment from his friend quoting what Gaige supposedly said. Compelling ammunition for the information war, but I’m dubious about how useful it would be in a court of law.
Karl McHungus #194859 August 28, 2020 9:49 am 4
different rules of evidence,in the court of public opinion 😛
Ben the Layabout #194855 August 28, 2020 9:47 am 5
This is not the first crime in which Facebook, Twitter and other social media come back to haunt the accused or even collaterally involved people. Good luck getting youth to accept this advice, indeed any good advice, but: think very carefully about what you post on social media, because it lasts forever.Given the risks of “doxing” these days, I would not be surprised if even anonymous (on the surface) media such as this isn’t at similar risks. Not blaming Z for any security lapses, but it’s probably none too paranoid to note that Big Brother could easily monitor us with or without Big Broker (corporations) spying on us, often within the law even. So keep this in mind if you have reputation – career – etc. to defend.
v_cog #194893 August 28, 2020 10:24 am 5
VPNs are your friend
Glenfilthie #194815 August 28, 2020 8:48 am 28
Indeed, appearances matter.It might be a time to step outside ourselves and consider our adversaries under the same light. Those guys are looking like shit right now. The reason for that, without mincing words, is that they are shitty people. Normies are beginning to see that. I know formerly PC lefties that are starting to turn.Z is not correct that the fast talking slick salesman moves more product. As a sales guy myself, I can tell you that the customers are every bit as skeptical and smart as we are. The Altright, for all their faults and blunders, did not fail because of appearances. They failed because they tried to use the same tactics as Lefty, and it didn’t work for them. Timing was against them too. People weren’t ready to hear their message.Kyle should be the Manhattan Project of the Dissident Right. We should jump all over this, establish the truth of what happened, and then put this one on the front burner and light it up if it checks out. There is more than appearances here – at least that’s the way it looks now.Appearances matter – but you have to have more than that going for you. A friendly face is not enough – you have to offer something of value to the customer. If this latest story holds, there is something for the fiscal conservatives, the 2A guys, the social conservatives, the “right-leaning leftists”, reluctant white nationalists and probably others.As a sales guy, I say we need to verify this, and move on it quickly… or they will.
Jack Dobson #194824 August 28, 2020 9:05 am 16
The Marxist propaganda organs have tried to dirty up Kyle and to a larger degree paint their felon allies as nice people. Good luck with that sales job. Kyle has a very capable and wonderful spokesman in Lin Wood, who will become his public face. It will be interesting to watch whether Fox, which is Cuck Central, will allow him on the air as a guest, but the man knows PR.
Karl McHungus #194868 August 28, 2020 9:53 am 14
it doesn’t hurt that all three of the shootees were convicted felons.
Bill Mullins #194956 August 28, 2020 11:46 am 4
Almost the first way the Daily Beast referred to young Rittehouse was as a “big-time Blue Lives Matter fan”. When did being a fan of Law Enforcement become a negative? America damned near WORSHIPS cops! Don’t believe me? Look at all the cop shows currently or formerly on television. From drama to comedy to “reality” TV is replete with series about cops.
Dutch #194995 August 28, 2020 1:04 pm 11
Like anything else, the Kyle Rittenhouse story is a bit complicated. See the Daily Caller for this. Kyle was part of an armed group posted to protect a business, but also stated he was carrying medical supplies to help injured protesters. His group leader stated they were “on the side of the protestors but there to protect property”. Kyle is coming off as a bit of a dreamy do-gooder here, who got drawn like a moth to the Kenosha flame, and allowed his naïveté to get him into a bad situation.From an optics standpoint, this information would probably make him look even better in the eyes of Normie, so there is that…
Gravity Denier #195114 August 28, 2020 8:16 pm 0
Thanks for spelling “naïveté” with the proper accent marks. You know your French.
Dutch #195125 August 28, 2020 10:10 pm 0
The iPhone did that, not me.
acetone #195134 August 28, 2020 10:55 pm 3
The Kyle Rittenhouse situation is amazing for us from an optics perspective. Really, he a best case senario for what we are trying to represent (young, seemingly good hearted kid, caught in a bad situation against the worst people imaginable — not even I could have imagined the criminality of the antifa trio, over prosecuted by the deep state). He should open some normie eyes.
thezman #194826 August 28, 2020 9:10 am 23
Z is not correct that the fast talking slick salesman moves more product. Which is why I did not write that. I wrote, “The handsome, well dressed salesman will move more product than the slovenly salesman, even when the latter has a superior product to the former.” See the difference?
brunob #194905 August 28, 2020 10:43 am 0
that would qualify as a platitude. i’ve done sales, technical sales to be specific, and no amount of polish or posturing will sell a product if you lack two things:a customer with a needand a product that can fill iti offer that in this context because normie white guy is just discovering his need. kyle rittenhouse is barely a product, but his counsel will try to change that. i predict that the effort will either be ignored or they’ll experience nearly trumpian levels of PR sedition.
Glenfilthie #194961 August 28, 2020 12:05 pm 11
I think you may be selling this one short, Bruno. When Sandmann’s lawyers weighed in on this, you could hear the American mass media shit it’s collective pants in fright all the way up here in Canada. They are smelling fresh meat, and lawyers are very good at that.I won’t be surprised at all if Trump isn’t watching this one like a hawk.
acetone #195135 August 28, 2020 10:57 pm 1
I think he is. But conservative politicians and media are scared about committing to his defense at this point with the election imminent.
Glenfilthie #194915 August 28, 2020 10:56 am 11
Forgive my ignorance Z. Perhaps we are sort of saying the same thing different ways? I think I might still disagree. Please bear with me:If you look at the Donks – who are slowly swirling down the crapper as we speak… they are chock full of guys with the level gaze, the 1000W smile, and a firm handshake. Jim Acosta, Don Lemon, and the other faggots and flimps at CNN are dressed to the nines and competent looking. Do you trust them?The point I am trying to make is that we need to focus on the customers. Your customers value appearances and take note of the suit, the grooming, and the charisma. Mine wear steel toe boots, work in the trades, and see the suits as red flags. When I sold to them I dressed as they did, and talked as they did. It helped that I had very good products and services to sell. In this case, an effective strategy might be to approach the customers as one of them. Dissident politics rhyme and overlap with many of those in the target markets so it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to approach them that way.I always told my sales guys to be themselves, never get angry or hysterical and be professionals. My advice to the dissidents is to not pose as the answer to the issues, but to BE the answer to them. We have a great product in this, if it pans out, that will almost sell itself.
brunob #194947 August 28, 2020 11:33 am 3
very well stated.my customers were cleanroom nerds, so was i.
Alzaebo #195064 August 28, 2020 4:30 pm 4
Nick Fuentes. That suit and tie really make a difference. Imagine the Zman in a suit and tie, at the podium, delivering yesterday’s fine, incandescent rage as he spoke of the tradeoffs of being backed into a corner. He’d be today’s Enoch Powell. (In a Jason hockey mask, I never ever want to know his real identity, *cough* Mr. Wayne *cough*)
Karl McHungus #194782 August 28, 2020 8:03 am 27
re: optics; notice how ugly most of the left are! especially their orc hordes. all of these individuals really need to be euthanized as there is no practical way of making them useful to society in any way…
OrangeFrog #194784 August 28, 2020 8:08 am 40
In particular leftist women do tend to be ugly. I am quite sure that former Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi also said something along these lines. I have to say that there probably is no curse greater than being an ugly woman; if you have been beaten with the ugly stick, why not fall back on a set of politics that give you a goal that does not require finding a man. This politics makes you even more undesirable – the vicious circle.
Karl McHungus #194809 August 28, 2020 8:41 am 8
more than one book (assuming you consider romance novels as qualifying) has been written about a homely women finally (FINALLY!) finding true love with her handsome wealthy prince, after a lifetime of mean treatment. it is definitely a hard road to follow, just ask Janis Joplin (voted most homely girl in her HS class. yeah, that’s how America rolled in the early 60’s).
OrangeFrog #194821 August 28, 2020 9:01 am 8
I had forgotten what Janis Joplin looked like. I googled her… Thanks a bunch for that image. Poor girl couldn’t be flattered by any angle, it appears.
Nunnya Bidnez jr #194836 August 28, 2020 9:25 am 8
an aquaintance of mine went to high school with Janis; not only homely looking, but a serious alcoholic who hung with the roughest crowd in the school.
Bill Mullins #194889 August 28, 2020 10:21 am 3
Yeah, Joplin could give a mud fence ugly lessons but DAMN! could she sing!
LineInTheSand #194989 August 28, 2020 12:52 pm 9
Janis had a fling with Leonard Cohen, who is as ugly as she is. In his song “Chelsea Hotel #2” about the fling, he wrote: You told me again you prefer handsome men,But for me you would make an exception.And clenching your fist for the ones like usWho are oppressed by the figures of beautyYou fixed yourself, you said “Well nevermind,We are ugly but we have the music”
Hieronymous Schnreckensnatz-Obermeier III #195230 August 30, 2020 8:19 pm 0
On a talk show about ten years ago, Cohen said that he got into bed with a drunk Joplin in the late ’60s by telling her he was Kris Kristofferson. An ugly moment, but the studio audience laughed, as if it were all part of his stylized nihilist charm.
Gespenst #195105 August 28, 2020 7:28 pm 5
If getting intoxicated and screaming is singing, yes, Janis Joplin could sing.
Royaliste #195189 August 29, 2020 1:50 pm 1
Janis Joplin was certainly no great beauty, but I wouldn’t call her ugly, either. Nothing that a good haircut, makeup & attention to wardrobe couldn’t fix. Mary Matalin is not a classically beautiful woman, but she looks great because she is always impeccably groomed.
Sputnik #194903 August 28, 2020 10:38 am 9
That’s how my h.s. rolled in the 80’s. Our class incessantly picked on the ugly girls. The ugliest was never called her name, just “Yoda.” The cruelist treatment administered came from the queers. It was disgusting.
c matt #194917 August 28, 2020 10:59 am 9
At least the Leftist beastie women who protest are ugly. I have known a few hottie normie-ish progressive gals. While they virtue signal like a lighthouse in a storm, they do not set foot outside their gated community bubbles. But they are cute.
Karl McHungus #194923 August 28, 2020 11:09 am 4
they are just fair weather lefties; AKA useful idiots. sometimes referred to as the soft left. and a lot of them are cute. super insipid though,, and inordinately interested in pegging.
Amwolf #195007 August 28, 2020 1:48 pm 2
These women are also very easy — especially if you’re assertive as they’re used to being around soyboys and homosexuals who make up a large chunk of their social circles.
Amwolf #195006 August 28, 2020 1:45 pm 7
The majority of leftist women are without a doubt, ugly. There’s no question about this. They’re just as ugly on the inside as the outside.
b123 #194785 August 28, 2020 8:10 am 40
17 year old upstanding citizen white kid (with impressive combat skills) takes down 3 pedos/criminals with creepy, foreign, Bolshevik sounding names like Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz and Huber. Hmm… No wonder there has been almost no mention of them. Black media just says “BLM protesters”, implying the victims were black.
Epaminondas #194793 August 28, 2020 8:17 am 8
Er, Rittenhouse was originally “Rittenhaus”. Rosenbaum was the Jew, the other two are German goyim. In fact, all those names are German, which is not surprising given the geography.
thezman #194795 August 28, 2020 8:21 am 14
I have seen nothing to suggest Rosenbaum was Jewish. He sure as hell did not look like a guy fond of small hats. Sometimes, names can be deceiving.
Epaminondas #194799 August 28, 2020 8:29 am 7
I read that his father is Jewish, but not mom. And I agree that “Rosetree” is not necessarily a Jewish name. I was going by what I read. I’ll try to find the source.
Karl McHungus #194812 August 28, 2020 8:44 am 2
irrespective of the fellow now residing on the autopsy table in the morgue, many european family names have a christian, and a jewish variant. e.g. : “Jacobson” and “Jacobsen”. also, sometimes a person who is not jewish, ends up with a jewish surname because a male ancestor was adopted by a jewish step father. i know a person like this 😛
Felix Krull #194878 August 28, 2020 10:04 am 7
Jacobsen is not Jewish, it’s Danish.
Felix Krull #194880 August 28, 2020 10:05 am 9
…or Norwegian. -son = Swedish-sen = Danish or Norwegian.
Karl McHungus #194925 August 28, 2020 11:10 am 0
really? what’s jacobson then? is their a jewish variant of jaconsen?
Felix Krull #194948 August 28, 2020 11:35 am 5
There are no Jewish “variants” of European names, that would defy the purpose of adopting the local name in the first place. Most Ashkenazi names – like Rosenbaum – are simply adopted German ones. That’s why the Nazis planned to have all Jews to adopt the middle name “Israel”, if you were a man, or “Sarah”, if you were a woman. <i>what’s jacobson then</i> Swedish, although often Swedish son-names are spelled with a double s. i.e.: Jacobsson.
David Wright #194954 August 28, 2020 11:43 am 4
Hmmm, what’s your real name “Mr. Krull” ?
Felix Krull #194959 August 28, 2020 12:01 pm 12
I’mtheFelix Krull – the definite article, if you will. The guy purporting to relate my memoir is a shameless impostor.
Ganderson #195054 August 28, 2020 4:02 pm 1
My last name lost an ‘s’ at Ellis island.Felix- bor du i Danmark?
Felix Krull #195060 August 28, 2020 4:18 pm 1
Ja, I København.
thezman #195065 August 28, 2020 4:34 pm 7
Changing names around was not uncommon a century ago. A lot of Russians passed themselves off as Germans or Poles when they arrived here. Jews, of course, change there public names a lot and never reveal their secret name. The Irish would change their names to sound white.
ZerohTollrants #195108 August 28, 2020 7:40 pm 5
“The Irish would change their names to sound white.” Damn. Way harsh, bro. I’m only like 7% potato jogger and even I’m not cool with that, lol.
Ostei Kozelskii #195167 August 29, 2020 12:02 pm 1
Jews with the last name, Green, for instance, are usually Greenbergs or such like.
Vizzini #195086 August 28, 2020 5:16 pm 8
I’ve known a number of Rosenbaums and they have all been Jewish.
Just Another Rightwing Wolverine #195110 August 28, 2020 7:53 pm 5
I was raised in a West Michigan port town. It’s changed materially since then, but at the time half the town was German and the other half was mostly strict Dutch Reformed.By German or Dutch, I mean these folks were post-WWII immigrants, mostly engineers and farmers.All our several Rosenbaum and other ‘baum families were pure Christian extract, given their large number, none was a small hat wearer or descended thereof.Despite being dinky albeit rich and well-educated in our town generally, we nearly always won the State at academics — quiz bowl, engineering, science, math olympiad etc. — period, against everybody including the Ann Arbor schools, Lansing and Gross Pointe schools.Effing Dutch and Germans :>]
Vizzini #195122 August 28, 2020 10:02 pm 1
My experiences were all in a heavily Jewish area of NJ, so I guess the demographics were different.
Ostei Kozelskii #195168 August 29, 2020 12:03 pm 2
Are there any areas of Jersey that are NOT heavily Jewish?
James OMeara #195227 August 30, 2020 3:05 pm 0
Lenny Bruce said that Barry Goldwater’s father was the only Jew to change his religion and keep his name (altho anglicized from Goldwasser).
b123 #194803 August 28, 2020 8:33 am 11
Well, to a cracker like myself it sounds like a foreign creepy Bolshevik name. This is a good thing for our side as well. Raises more suspicion.
Felix Krull #194808 August 28, 2020 8:40 am 17
Is that something you actually know? German and Jewish names are often indistinguishable; when the Jews came to Germany from Poland and Belorussia, they took German names so they could play the “my fellow Germans”-game, just like grandpa Rittenhaus americanized his name.
Drake #194837 August 28, 2020 9:26 am 7
My BIL has a very Jewish name (maybe a Jewish grandfather I think). Meet him in person and he’s as close to a redneck as you can get in New England (“Townie” is the official designation). He occasionally attends a Congregational Church. Good guy.
Ostei Kozelskii #195052 August 28, 2020 3:57 pm 1
Let me guess–Sidney Finkelstein.
Ripple #194982 August 28, 2020 12:32 pm 5
And let’s not forget that one of Hitler’s main henchmen was named Alfred Rosenberg.
Epaminondas #195126 August 28, 2020 10:15 pm 2
It’s actually something I know. Jews who came into the German Empire were forced to assume certain names for the sake of identification. “Wiesel”, for example, or “Kaufmann”. Over time, standards were relaxed, intermarriage occurred, and here we are. The NSDAP attempted to put the clock back, as you know. Here in the US, I knew a Jewish guy named Foster whose great-grandparents came from Poland. Their actual name was Posterowitz, but the official on Ellis Island registered them as Foster so others would be able to spell or pronounce their name. They kept it.
Felix Krull #195143 August 29, 2020 12:03 am 5
I see – interesting. But I was referring to Rittenhaus being German rather than Jewish. And it still doesn’t mean you can determine Jewish ancestry just by looking at the surname. Wiesel and Kaufmann are German names, as is Rosenbaum. I wonder if there even is such a thing as an authentic Jewish surname. They all seem to be German, Polish or Russian, and some cultures (like pre-Christian Scandinavia) don’t have surnames.
Felix Krull #195145 August 29, 2020 12:18 am 3
So I googled about a bit, and it seems there are only three original Jewish surnames: Cohen, Levy and Israel – Cohen, coincidentally, also being an Irish name.
Karl McHungus #195148 August 29, 2020 4:08 am 2
Lipshitz sounds pretty authentic
Ostei Kozelskii #195170 August 29, 2020 12:06 pm 1
Rouged up, it appears as Lipset, Lipsit, etc.
Ostei Kozelskii #195169 August 29, 2020 12:05 pm 1
I’d imagine Cohen (Coen, Kahan, Kahn) and Shapiro are truly Jewish names.
Felix Krull #195207 August 30, 2020 2:07 am 0
Life would be much simpler if they would just wear a yellow star.
Von #195147 August 29, 2020 1:38 am 3
This is similar to happenstance for my family surname. The first male family member drew one interrogator who assigned the surname spelling with a “K.” The second male drew a different interrogator who assigned his surname spelling with a “G.” They were blood brothers who entered from the same ship at the same time and our family has two different names as a consequence. We were just effing grateful to be accepted here and so we never consolidated the surname.
acetone #195130 August 28, 2020 10:33 pm 5
Wife’s maiden name is a very jewish sounding german name. So much so that we are receive jewish literature in the mail soliciting donations for various causes.
Felix Krull #195144 August 29, 2020 12:09 am 6
So much so that we are receive jewish literature in the mail soliciting donations for various causes. LOL! #AllStereotypesAreTrue.
ZerohTollrants #195107 August 28, 2020 7:37 pm 4
Huber can be both a German surname as well as a Jew name. I thought the Jew kid was the Huber one because of that gigantic beak. Who knows. When I first began researching my ancestry about 20 yrs ago, I was shocked at how many Jews had the same surname. Very disheartening.
sentry #194974 August 28, 2020 12:22 pm 4
Rosenbaumis asurnameof German origin, which translates as “rose tree” and which was given to people living in the proximity of rose bushes. Thesurnameis common among AshkenaziJews, but is also associated with various non-Jewsof German origin.
Amwolf #195008 August 28, 2020 1:54 pm 3
…takes down 3 pedos/criminals with creepy, foreign, Bolshevik sounding names like Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz and Huber.This White kid is a HERO. He did what society should have done years ago to these three pedos/criminals. They should have been publicly hung like their brethren, “Saint” Floyd. It’s a real shame that we no longer conduct public executions or other forms of punishment such as canings, lashings, etc.We don’t necessarily have to implement Sharia Law, but even if we do something similar to what the National Corps does to public drunks, druggies, and other degenerates in Ukraine sure would be a start (they rough them up well).
Ostei Kozelskii #195042 August 28, 2020 3:28 pm 6
This whole event increasingly looks like a divine benison.
Paintersforms #194860 August 28, 2020 9:49 am 7
Check out the mugshots on Andy Ngo’s twitter feed. Lots of asymmetrical faces just sayin’. Also lots of millennials, a decent number of Xers, a handful of boomers and zoomers for those interested in the generational angle. Basically people of fighting age.
Epaminondas #194870 August 28, 2020 9:54 am 2
Basically people with raging hormones.
Paintersforms #194960 August 28, 2020 12:04 pm 2
More zoomers than I remembered. Yep, hormones.
Vegetius #194884 August 28, 2020 10:14 am 9
A lot of unmarried, underemployed Xers have for some reason decided that THIS is the one cause they are going to actually engage with. Maybe it’s a midlife thing, the most reverse-Porsche action imaginable, I don’t know…
Karl McHungus #194927 August 28, 2020 11:11 am 9
or maybe someone is paying them to do it now.
Paintersforms #194962 August 28, 2020 12:06 pm 3
Who knows. Whacked out people do whacked out things I guess.
RoBG #195031 August 28, 2020 2:59 pm 5
They all look like the circus left town without them, to me.
LineInTheSand #194990 August 28, 2020 12:54 pm 5
I think you’re missing some subtleties. In the economic realm, the war is the rich and the poor against the middle. The same rule applies to women’s political affliliations. The best looking and the ugliest women are leftists. The sweet spot in the middle is with us, more or less.
Amwolf #195009 August 28, 2020 1:57 pm 2
This sounds like something that Tucker Carlson has recently said?
sentry #195063 August 28, 2020 4:26 pm 4
leftists really need to be euthanized as there is no practical way of making themuseful to society in any way…Musk or Gates will ask leftists to become soylent green, they’ll say yes!!
Alzaebo #195206 August 30, 2020 12:29 am 1
First dibs on their Furniture!
SamlAdams #194832 August 28, 2020 9:20 am 24
Kenosha is interesting as an inflection point because to the “normie” population it can be “their town”. The Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NYC riots can be put off to “well all the crazies live there anyway”. But middle America can relate to seeing hordes of outside rioters + miscreant locals literally burning down almost the entirety of their downtown because of one bad police interaction. Listened to the Kenosha PD feed for a little while the second night. Half the radio traffic was cops calling in out of state plates for cars parked on residential streets around the downtown. Almost all Illinois. And so far, all the video shows the kid tried at every turn ot avoid confrontation until it was forced on him. And certainly the “arm guy” shooting his mouth off about how much he wanted to kill the kid and the overalls violent felony record of the miscreants doesn’t paint a favorable picture. BLM looks more like an ex-con gang than anything else.
Apex Predator #194853 August 28, 2020 9:46 am 22
The so-called conservatives have avoided this story entirely thus far. The reason is they were destroyed by the Nick Sandman debacle and they are still hurting from it.This is probably more important than many people realize. I’ve long said that I actually have more respect for ghetto thugs then for white liberals, why? Because ghetto nigs have no pretense, they are nothing if not 100% honest about who & what they are.White liberals and fake conservatives are 100% the opposite, they are fake in nearly every way. It would behoove everyone to remember thedeafening silenceyou’ve observed since all this started from Conservative, Inc. Has a bigger group of belly slithering cowards ever existed? I have FAR more contempt for people who call themselves ‘allies’ that then turn and run at the first hint of danger or a hit to their reputation than I do for a street who at least shows his hand very clearly.Takes notes for the future…
Jack Dobson #194869 August 28, 2020 9:54 am 15
As you may recall, the first instinct of Conservatism, Inc., and its elected prostitutes in response to the riots was to do a “better” crime bill and eliminate Columbus Day as a holiday. These types are irrelevant for the most part now and this illustrates why. Also, as to optics, Conservative, Inc. has taken on a prudish, Puritan scowl now that looks godawful. The Right has a void we can and will fill.
Drake #194871 August 28, 2020 9:56 am 16
If you get your news from Brietbart, you probably know nothing about Kyle Rittenhouse. That’s an eye-opening act of cowardice to me.
Karl McHungus #194937 August 28, 2020 11:22 am 15
breitbart is just a poor man’s FOX. they are all clickbait and getting people angry. look how often they post shit rob reiner says, like anyone cares what that shit head thinks. i got banned there for pointing this out in the comments.
Bill Mullins #195164 August 29, 2020 10:23 am 1
Understandable. After all “speaking the truth to power” etc. I suspect that were Andrew still with us young Rittenhouse’s story would be.much in evidence there.
acetone #195137 August 28, 2020 11:10 pm 2
Its going to be all quiet on this until after the election from mainstream conservative media. I think the thought is that there is too much to lose by promoting this boy’s situation to the country.
Karl McHungus #195152 August 29, 2020 4:26 am 3
there is no “mainstream” conservative media (and as we have recently learned, there never was). i think the problem conservatism has is that it doesn’t scale up. progressivism does scale up, almost too much (like cancer).
DLS #194944 August 28, 2020 11:28 am 10
I recall when NRO published Derb’s “talk”, and Rich Lowry had a link to it in the The Corner section, laughing it off with a “oh that irreverent Derb” type comment. Lowry fired him the next day.
Altitude Zero #194997 August 28, 2020 1:09 pm 11
Even for ConInc, Lowrey is an unusually craven POS. Derb was also undergoing chemo at the time. Swine.
greyenlightenment #195024 August 28, 2020 2:23 pm 5
Grifter conservatism is among the worst. The left, as bad as it is, does not have a grift problem. It is one of the be benefits, I suppose, of your supporters having no money, as opposed to boomer and gen-x cons with tons of disposable and retirement income. You cannot grift to the broke, the mentally ill, and the jobless.
Gespenst #194776 August 28, 2020 7:53 am 22
That’s some sound, practical advice.
Vegetius #194879 August 28, 2020 10:04 am 29
Let someone at the Wisconsin Bar Association know what you think about Kenosha County District Attorney Michael Graveley.Make sure you say the words “overcharge” and “prosecutorial misconduct” and “disbar.” The second doesn’t really apply but it sounds good so get it in there a few times. Don’t cuss.Wisconsin Bar Association:(608) 257-3838(800) 728-7788 (nationwide) For those still on twitter, facebook, etc, please circulate widely, among both red and bluepilled.
usNthem #194908 August 28, 2020 10:46 am 25
Immediately charging the kid with capital murder prior to any investigative work and/or all the facts are in is just another bullshit virtue signaling act by another soyboy liberal asswipe. These JOs are so predictably pathetic, and unknowingly are building their own funeral pyres. There simply are no real men in positions of power anymore.
pozymandias #194952 August 28, 2020 11:41 am 64
We often talk about gynocracy. Everything happening this year shows the real face of it. This is what a society run by women and man-bitches looks like. Hysterical, unhinged, cowardly, fearful, violent, and authoritarian all at once.
Frip #195003 August 28, 2020 1:30 pm 9
True and funny as hell.
Jackie Chiles #195072 August 28, 2020 4:54 pm 12
I called the WI bar authorities. Most recordings have assuring male voices pre-recorded. But all the actual available agents, working remotely, are females and, based upon my experiences, these womyn are Jill From HR.
pozymandias #195199 August 29, 2020 5:43 pm 0
Glad to hear it JC. It’s great to have people like you working inside the system as attorneys on our side. We need to fight the Left on all fronts and lawfare is a vital one.
DR is Passive Death #195082 August 28, 2020 5:11 pm -10
They are building our funeral pyres. They can do this because they really exist.The Right does not, certainly not a right that can meet the Left in the street.DR is a brilliant move, but not by the Right. DR my Dears is Moldbug et al (yes, THEM) and its just a pacifist version of the neocons. Why?Because if the Right or The White had 5% of the Lefts organizing ability it leads to…and we mustn’t let that happen.Instead it will happen to us.And it will. The minds that saw clearest were fatally paralyzed by passivism as “the moral high ground” as the Left closed in.Let that be the Epitaph.The only moral high ground you’re all going to have is ashes and smoke floating up a chimney. They’ll make sure to add that final insult.In fact I think “The Moral High Ground” will make a nice sign above the gate of the charming facility you’ll be passing through.Me? I hope to go out like Fields, Rittenhouse, Brevik.If anyone ever remembers your names it will be because you made the same choice.
usNthem #195091 August 28, 2020 5:31 pm 10
I seriously doubt that – nice f-ing black pill though. There’s no facility that I’ll passing through, other than the gates of heaven…
Paintersforms #195093 August 28, 2020 5:45 pm 6
Well hello, Sunshine.
acetone #195124 August 28, 2020 10:09 pm 13
Take it down a notch dude. Lots of plays left to be made in this game.If you want to do something concrete now, start a family. If you have a family already, have another kid. If you are past that point in your life, help support yours friends and family that are raising children.
John Carter #195013 August 28, 2020 2:06 pm 3
They’re no longer answering the phone
Jackie Chiles #195058 August 28, 2020 4:14 pm 20
I called the ‘3838 number and they directed me to (608) 267-7274, which is the resource dedicated to lodging a formal complaint. I called the ‘7274 number and I am pursuing the issue of filing a formal complaint through their “investigators.” I have been polite and hope to continue in this manner until justice is done.
Jackie Chiles #195067 August 28, 2020 4:43 pm 49
I should point out that I referenced my status, bar number, name, firm, and purpose as a member in good standing of the Illinois and other bars incl. patent bar and, gingerly, SCOTUS trial bar. Also the fact that I am a former key committee chair of ABA, Illinois and Chicago bar associations. I’ll do what I can manage for this kid. Truly.
Archer #195069 August 28, 2020 4:47 pm 12
Z Man said, “The fact is, looks matter. More precisely, presentation matters.”Look at how many young black males wear their pants low so their underwear shows and walk with one hand on their crotch. Add in neck tattoos and a grill and most of us rightly suspect criminal intent.That’s not racist. It is common sense. Moreover, it is what that black punk wants you to perceive.Kyle Rittenhouse is the opposite symbol. We need 100m more like him.Contribute to his defense. He had raised $83k when I donated this morning but the Nazis on the Left have taken Dow his go-fund-me page. So go here, instead:https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-defended-fightback-foundation-kenosha-shooting-l-lin-wood-raising-money-gofundme/5650147002/After that, become a Z Man subscriber.https://www.subscribestar.com/the-z-blogDream of a white Christmas.
tarstarkas #194831 August 28, 2020 9:18 am 20
“A month ago, no one would have predicted the recent events in Kenosha.”I agree with the article except for the above. Ray Charles saw this coming, since May. Everyone saw not only the shooting in the street coming, but the immediate reaction to arrest the person defending themselves. Anyone who didn’t see it coming back in May had to have serious misgivings about all these riots when the black militias started showing up. Frankly, the only thing surprising about this is that it took this long. If our leaders weren’t such stupid cowards, they would have stopped these protests on day one.
brunob #194909 August 28, 2020 10:47 am 4
agreed entirely.additionally, targeting members of the press is next. andy ngo probably has a target on his back, God bless him.left to the imagination who on the other side might have a similar target.
Vegetius #194910 August 28, 2020 10:47 am 3
Agree. I thought someone would have opened up on a bunch of rioters back in June.I am glad no one did, but I am surprised no one has.
Jim Smith #195062 August 28, 2020 4:25 pm 3
Thatwould be bad optics. Things may be different after the election.
Ostei Kozelskii #195178 August 29, 2020 12:36 pm 3
You don’t stop what you support.
Karl McHungus #194788 August 28, 2020 8:13 am 20
Rittenhouse has provided a template for others to copy. We are going to see “hunters” waiting for antifa to show up, and then gunning them down. with no witnesses. in the sense that no local person will out the shooters. if the left persists, then the death squads form. if you weren’t around for the carnage in central america, circa the late 70’s, early to mid 80’s, then read about it, or watch any of the many decent movies about it.
Epaminondas #194798 August 28, 2020 8:25 am 7
The problem is how to lure Antifa out into the countryside.
Doug #194811 August 28, 2020 8:43 am 7
Fake Soros email account. Promise of free weed and pizza. That’s been their usualmodus operandi.
Ostei Kozelskii #195173 August 29, 2020 12:20 pm 1
Free weed and pad thai.
Karl McHungus #194816 August 28, 2020 8:48 am 9
they are like zombies; they just wander everywhere eventually. judging by results so far, they will never make it to the countryside as they keep getting beat to shit in the suburbs. they did send a suicide squad into Sturgis recently; all members were cornholed and gaped…
v_cog #194872 August 28, 2020 9:56 am 4
lmao did they really venture up to Sturgis recently?? I missed that one. Poor bastards, it’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for them. Almost.
Official Bologna Tester #194926 August 28, 2020 11:10 am 1
“Antifa Goes to Sturgis.”https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/antifa-goes-to-sturgis.php
Ostei Kozelskii #195174 August 29, 2020 12:21 pm 1
No. Not even almost. Let them burn.
Lucius Sulla #194822 August 28, 2020 9:01 am 10
I predict Antifa will march on the suburbs, exurbs, and countryside if/when Trump is reelected. That’s how to lure them out.
Bill Mullins #194904 August 28, 2020 10:39 am 5
That’s a sucker bet if ever I heard one. Only problem is, the way I have it figured, Biden’s election is a foregone conclusion. This bodes to be the most fraudulent election in the history of fraudulent elections. I figure the left is not only gonna pull out all the stops, they’re busy inventing NEW ways to steal the election. With the lapdog MSM aiding and abetting them, where’s the down side?
c matt #194929 August 28, 2020 11:12 am 9
The same post office that warns you not to send cash through the mail is going to handle your vote fairly? Granted, cash is more valuable than a vote, but still . . . .
Paintersforms #194971 August 28, 2020 12:19 pm 3
Yep, they’re going to double down on failure until they’re finished.
SamlAdams #194838 August 28, 2020 9:27 am 21
Some recently made that mistake in the middle of PA on their way to some rioting somewhere else. Got out of the cars in a small town and started the chanting shit. Were provided some helpful directions courtesy of a local that popped off a few rounds in their direction.
Paintersforms #194972 August 28, 2020 12:20 pm 4
That’s why they call it Pennsyltucky 🙂
ProZNoV #195049 August 28, 2020 3:53 pm 5
In all seriousness, it might be an excellent time to stock up on blanks….aka “acoustic ammunition”. While technically illegal to even discharge blanks in most municipal districts, I’d GUESS that the penalties for discharging a blank into the air is much less severe (administrative action?) than actual bullets/grapeshot. There’s a reason the St. Louis attorneys waved around unloaded/disabled firearms and aren’t currently in jail.
Paintersforms #194970 August 28, 2020 12:18 pm 2
They seem to be heading that way on their own. God help them, this is only prelude if that happens.
Ostei Kozelskii #195172 August 29, 2020 12:20 pm 0
They are just crazed enough that the tantalus may not be necessary.
v_cog #194814 August 28, 2020 8:47 am 3
“hunters” lol I got that reference 😉
Karl McHungus #194858 August 28, 2020 9:49 am 1
an entire new product line for the Duck Dynasty clan to manufacturer 😛
TomA #194899 August 28, 2020 10:34 am 19
Also, the three hoodlums that Rittenhouse shot all had substantial criminal wrap-sheets and traveled to Kenosha to burn it down. Rittenhouse did what the police could not do because Cuck Governor Evers ordered them to stand down. In a real sense, he is the only adult who is actually responsible for these deaths because of his intentional malfeasance. When you have a corrupt politician that maliciously stands aside to enable arsonists to burn down his state, that’s the root problem, not some adolescent trying to play cop because the real cops were cucked.
Karl McHungus #194942 August 28, 2020 11:25 am -3
wonder if kyle could run for governor of wisconsin 😛 “if elected, i will put a $50 bounty on any ANTIFA member that is shot and killed. Limit ten per bounty hunter per week”
Official Bologna Tester #194949 August 28, 2020 11:37 am 6
Would you please shut the fuck up.
Karl McHungus #195153 August 29, 2020 4:30 am -2
just how much bologna do you put in your mouth, during a week of “testing”? did it never occur to you that your nick has severe gay overtones?
Bill Mullins #195183 August 29, 2020 1:09 pm 0
Bologna tester, 1st chair skinflute player, same difference in my book.And, yes, I’m totally aware of how “homophobic” that sounds, I just don’t give a flying f*ck any more!
Alzaebo #195090 August 28, 2020 5:28 pm 2
“Surprising surge in tourism revives Wisconsin economy” “…Chicago expresses interest”
acetone #195139 August 28, 2020 11:15 pm 4
You are fed posting.
Xxxx #195184 August 29, 2020 1:13 pm 2
Why did all the Whites go meekly to the Camps?A: They were afraid of being called FedPoasters.
sentry #194792 August 28, 2020 8:15 am 19
Cops are pigs, they don’t care about you, even if you are right,IT DOES NOT MATTER, they are the system’s enforcers.The juridical system is filled with women who are looking to punish white men who fight for their rights. In fact many whites(men or women) can’t stand seeing white men beating up black men,IT DOES NOT MATTER IF BLACK DESERVES IT.This is aREALITY, if you go charging at monkeys, media will have a field day with you, you will end up destroyed by the system, you willACHIEVE NOTHING BECAUSE YOU ARE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN.Listen to James LaFond on latest episode of myth of 20th century, he says the same thing.https://www.bitchute.com/video/DaF3pl9dS34L/There are race traitors at every corner,YOU NEED PUBLIC APPROVAL IN ORDER TO FIGHT BACK.
The Wild Geese Howard #194802 August 28, 2020 8:32 am 6
Yup. Just look at the goodwhite cucking out over a patriotic removal of a Burn, Loot, Murder sign: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rochester/comments/ihj36u/seriously_scottsville_surprised_the_snowflake_who/
v_cog #194810 August 28, 2020 8:42 am 18
Consider the irony of posting a comment filled with caps and underlines, references to pigs and monkeys etc on a post about optics. I’m on your side brother, but I urge you to consider how you come across if you comment in this style in places outside of this blog. That said, I’m looking forward to listening to the M20C show this weekend. Big fan of those guys and of James LaFond, always entertaining.
T. Morris #194823 August 28, 2020 9:04 am 6
Seconded.
sentry #194827 August 28, 2020 9:11 am 1
Don’t you worry about me, I don’t plan on becoming a public figure who represents white nationalists.You remind me of atheist subverters who claim I can’t be a christian cause I have a great dislike for many people.“A christian would love everybody, you are no true christian!”“That’s between me and Jesus! None of your business!”I am very outspoken about my feelings, which is not a bad thing imo, but I know the elites wish to stir up the whites because they wanna make them look bad, I am just saying to not get tricked by their bullshit.
v_cog #194830 August 28, 2020 9:16 am 2
Alright, to each his own I suppose. There are so few of us in the first place that I’m hesitant about “tone policing” people on our side even when I feel it’s justified.
Karl McHungus #194867 August 28, 2020 9:52 am 3
know what the first rule about a drowning person is? don’t get near them, they will drag you down. why do you think lifeguards have a buoy on a 30 foot rope?
RoBG #195041 August 28, 2020 3:27 pm 0
You’re thinking of a Rescue Tube, not a Buoy, but to get your WSI/Lifeguard certification you (used to) have to demonstrate that you can rescue someone w/o an aid and perform first aid when you bring them in. Nonetheless it was a desireable job for a college-age kid or someone who got summers off.
Karl McHungus #194863 August 28, 2020 9:51 am 2
i didn’t read the post because i didn’t want spittle on my laptop screen.
Phoenix #195113 August 28, 2020 8:04 pm 3
I don’t see the irony. It’s not like he’s posting on a forum that more than .00000001% of the population has ever heard of..
Joey Jünger #194866 August 28, 2020 9:52 am 17
For those who want to see the full, unedited video of the white kid defending himself and surrendering:https://hoodsite.com/video-rioter-shot-head-kenosha-two-others-injured-trying-assault-shooter/It’s absolutely pathetic that a black brawl aggregator has better footage than even most “conservative” outlets, but that’s the world we live in. Interestingly enough, the cops are nowhere to be found when antifa is torturing the normies, but they swoop in as soon as the normies defend themselves. I know having individual cops and soldiers privately on our side will be a large part of winning, but I wonder if or when normie whites will figure out that these organisms in toto are out to get them at least as long as they’re captive institutions? At any rate, the kid handled himself quite well for someone who has never been in that type of situation before. Actually, he handled himself well, period.
Judge Smails #195023 August 28, 2020 2:21 pm 14
I also noticed how the police suddenly appear when events turn against ANTIFA. In Austin when the rifle toting ANTIFA guy came out on the wrong end of a gunfight he started with a motorist the mob was harassing, the police appeared in seconds. That means that they were standing by for hours watching ANTIFA block public roads and attack innocent drivers and doing nothing.
Bill Mullins #195165 August 29, 2020 10:28 am 3
What else would you expect from LEOs in “Silicon Gulch”? People leave Kali for Austin when San Fran and L.A. start to feel too moderate.
Alzaebo #195208 August 30, 2020 4:34 am 1
A true oper8ter, that one. Cool under fire, total control and self possession.
Exile #194807 August 28, 2020 8:39 am 17
“The heart of this story is stuff normal white people can understand and they are comfortable discussing. If this is Nazi-guy shooting black people, no lawyer is taking the case and no prominent people are speaking out in favor of the shooter.”I agreed 100% with your own comment yesterday where you said we only need 20% of Whites to agree with us, not 51%.Are we doing optics to appeal to the normies again or are we shooting for a better-informed, more highly-motivated 20% ?There were around 11 million estimated “alt-Right sympathizers” in 2018 according to the Hawley study. That’s around 7% of Whites already. But apparently they all “never learned” anyway, so we’re starting at 0% and appealing to the normies again?Where are we going with this?Today’s “normal” (as in average) White people are never going to be willing to do what Kyle Rittenhouse did. They are not “comfortable” with disobeying mask laws, much less armed self-defense. If I wanted to discuss this issue with “normal White people” I’d be watching the convention clown-shows. We’re supposed to be more advanced here.As for “Nazi guys shooting black people” that’s been literally no one’s narrative beyond the Daily Beast fever-swamps.All three JQ-IA’s were White or Fellow White and Rittenhouse is FOP-waffen at worst. Square peg, round hole.This story does not lend itself to counter-signalling the wignats. There will be other stories on other days with which to flog that straw man.Kyle Rittenhouse should not be used as a jawbone to cudgel the dead horse of an alt-Right whose hoofbeats seem to be a “hauntology” around here.
Jack Dobson #194902 August 28, 2020 10:36 am 3
You would still need to move 13 percent of the Whites. Propaganda, and that is meant in a good way, has to be effective even among those who are reachable. Did I misread you?
Bill Mullins #194946 August 28, 2020 11:31 am 0
an alt-Right whose hoofbeats seem to be a “hauntology” around here. Awesome turn of phrase there, Exile. Many here do protest too much, methinks.
rexl #194890 August 28, 2020 10:21 am 16
I think the thing that is being overlooked by the Zman is that these rioters are being paid. Very little of this is organic, demographic change, there is money changing hands and a lot of it. How else explain that once the shooting began the violence ended, so quickly. People are being paid.
Karl McHungus #194940 August 28, 2020 11:23 am 1
it’s china
Dutch #195000 August 28, 2020 1:16 pm 5
Paid, staged, China Pooh bear money. Yup. The feds busted their mobile cafeteria caravan this week, full of gas cans, gas masks, and other fun crap. The meth head rioters aren’t getting free hot meals at midnight this week.
The Wild Geese Howard #195004 August 28, 2020 1:37 pm 3
I bet the Riot Restaurant clowns are operating an all cash business and failing to pay their fair share of taxes. The IRS should really look into that.
Judge Smails #195015 August 28, 2020 2:09 pm 7
Don’t worry, Lois Lerner is on the case.
Alzaebo #195088 August 28, 2020 5:22 pm 3
it’s russia! (per XM Progress channel) On that note, I missed the slide into irrelevance, banality, and crying widows on the RNC weepfest, so I listened to the BLM and Leftwing channels. 5 shows, in a row, demanded not only prosecution of Trump (and his entire family…!) after the election— they also demanded a permanent Truth and Reconciliation Commission to root out every last white racist and supremacist.
acetone #195138 August 28, 2020 11:13 pm 6
For sure. Why are all these pedophiles and junkies chimping out so hard? Typically that demographic isn’t this organized and aggressive regarding political issues/movements. Someone higher up is manipulating the situation.
Alzaebo #195209 August 30, 2020 4:38 am 2
Somebody spraypainted graffiti on a synagogue, so the Kenosha probe operation is effectively over. Everybody can go back to Chicago, the Skeksiis are shutting it down.
BTP #194839 August 28, 2020 9:29 am 16
Just searched NRO for Kyle’s name. Almost nothing. Amazing that these clowns can’t bring themselves to talk about the most important element of Kenosha. They have something about waiting for facts on the shooting of Blake, but the merest recitation of the facts of Kyle’s arrest, for example. I guess if they aren’t going to throw one of our kids to the wolves, they have nothing to say.
Jack Dobson #194875 August 28, 2020 9:57 am 13
Lin Wood could have sued the piss out of NR if he had been so inclined due to how they libeled Nick Sandmann. He didn’t because they apparently are broke and are largely irrelevant to contemporary life.
Ostei Kozelskii #195179 August 29, 2020 12:37 pm 1
I wish he had done it anyway.
Karl McHungus #194877 August 28, 2020 9:59 am 8
why would yo expect differently? every second you spend at NRO is a second you will cry bitter tears about as the end approaches…just a profound waste of time.
Frip #194891 August 28, 2020 10:23 am 3
He’s just checking shit out bro, relax.
Karl McHungus #194936 August 28, 2020 11:19 am 5
The life of a repo man is always intense
Altitude Zero #194996 August 28, 2020 1:07 pm 6
VerBruggen just posted a wishy-washy “On the one hand, on the other” article over at NRO, which is exactly what you would expect, from that quarter. I’m not going to link because I don’t want to give NRO the clicks. But what an utterly useless bunch…
Melissa #194888 August 28, 2020 10:20 am 14
Missed Trump’s speech last night. Will someone please share the highlight in which Trump stated “Kyle Rittenhouse could have been my son.” and/or the mention of little Cannon Hinnant-?
Vegetius #194918 August 28, 2020 11:02 am 14
It’s all over YouTube. I don’t have the timestamp but its between the part about making the perfect the enemy of the passable and the part where he credits Fash the Nation with teaching him how to win elections.
Bill Mullins #195182 August 29, 2020 1:00 pm 1
Not being a political junky, I didn’t watch either convention. Since I haven’t looked at the news at Townhall or PJ Media in a while (flat on my back with a major kidney/bladder infection since Monday) I hadn’t heard/read about little Cannon Hinnant and his jogger assassin. I agree with one comment, had the races been reversed, it would have been INTERNATIONAL news. Instead, did it even appear on Faux news? Or even Breitbart? As for the MSM, well their coverage is predictably deafening in its silence. I have a grandchild who was little Cannon’s age not so long ago and a great-grandchild only a year older. Little Cannon’s story hits far too close to home for me.
Allen #194898 August 28, 2020 10:32 am 13
Speed and volume are important aspects of the optics problem as well. You have to get your message out rapidly and flood the zone. Nice, generally liked people that are deadly in a given set of circumstances can still engender a large measure of trust by others. That’s a very important thing to remember. Crowing about how ready you are to throw down with people tends to make others nervous. And, it usually doesn’t impress the people you think it does.
Ben the Layabout #194841 August 28, 2020 9:31 am 13
On the general subject of spreading our messages: I volunteer at a local charityto work off my community service obligationa few hours a week. One of the employees is a late 20s, married, normal white woman. Hair isn’t blue. Few or no tattoos. Even married. Full time worker. Like I said, not a typical young adult 🙂 We were discussing some current events and the general topic of equality. I asked her: “Do you accept that there are differences in ability between men and women?” She did. I then gently noted that there were probably differences between other categories of people. She picked up the lead and continued the discussion. On my part, no need to be a leaflet-distributing White Supremacist. Let’s say I “pink pilled” her. It’s quite likely I give myself too much credit; for all I know, she is already more Aware than I am, and perhaps her political views would make me look like Simon Wiesenthal 😀
Rich #194883 August 28, 2020 10:13 am 5
This lady wants a word with you.https://nationalfile.com/video-blm-tiktoker-threatens-to-go-on-a-rampage-cries-because-rioters-were-shot-in-kenosha/
Frip #194895 August 28, 2020 10:30 am 10
I like how she keeps wanting to pull her luscious head of hair back for dramatic affect but she has none because she’s not white.
Alzaebo #195068 August 28, 2020 4:45 pm 2
Hahahaha Hate twitter: Ghana has an open invitation and deserves to have the success and entertainment Black people have given white America ————- #WhitePeopleThings : Iron Man And people think we can’t win the race war. What other race even comes close to this kind of creativity. When we wake they don’t stand a chance, and they know it. Iron Man: (check THIS out) https://mobile.twitter.com/BaronStrucker/status/1298817942608662528
v_cog #194804 August 28, 2020 8:35 am 11
Right on with the optics. Makes me wonder what the hell the dissidents of a generation ago were thinking, with their “fight me” posture and overt wignat symbolism. For two decades now the overriding image most people held of dissidents was David Duke on the Jerry Springer show. It was so incredibly dumb that it makes me seriously question how many of that cohort were fed plants intentionally trying to make all of us look like clowns. Had to be more than a few.
BTP #194865 August 28, 2020 9:52 am 4
Maybe. On the other hand, defense of a people often needs to be unconscious and automatic instead of deliberate and considered. You do that with, well, hate. Just like antibodies attack invaders, but can’t explain why they do it, the old hatreds may have been an optimal response to the problem of infiltration by untrustworthy outsiders. But one side effect is that people couldn’t explain why they were acting like they were.
v_cog #194882 August 28, 2020 10:11 am 3
Yeah I get it. I don’t totally blame that cohort for going in the direction they did. Put in the context of the time, there weren’t many outlets for people to express their concern over the future of our race, and virtually no way to do so anonymously. So the only people with the balls to speak out publicly were the ones with enough emotion (i.e. “hatred”) to do so.I guess I just wish that they had been more effective in what they were trying to accomplish, but no sense crying over spilled milk. I should just be happy that we have much better ways of organizing today, and that the leftist agenda has moved far enough along that more and more normies are starting to get worked up enough to listen.
Vegetius #194900 August 28, 2020 10:36 am 15
Steady. If you don’t know what things were like before the internet, you can’t understand what things were like before the internet. It’s like sex or lsd.The totalitarian nature of broadcast media was (and remains) almost impossible for average people to grasp. And the absence of social media made it almost impossible for above average people to warn them.White people, being generally sincere and still deep in the cave, did not understand that the fight they were fighting wasn’t about the fight, it was about the way images from the fight would be presented. This was why the fight was even allowed to take place in many instances.Shit, we’ve got people in this thing whogrew upon the internet that still don’t get this. I myself still forget about it every third or fourth time something comes up.Being redpilled back in the day pushed many people deeper into the cave in some ways, even while “understanding” that Jews control the media.It was hard to see how you could manufacture the appearance of mass movements (or mass killings) on the basis of a handful of black-and-white pictures.GooglePulitzer Prize Photography, then consider me how some mechanic Joe Sixpackbaum in Kenosha in 1948 or 68 or 88 was supposed to know he wasn’t getting the whole story?
PrimiPilus #194953 August 28, 2020 11:41 am 5
Yes Yes Yes …. I try to explain this to the younger folks 18-35) with whom I interact every day. We did have “choice” and different perspectives (sarcasm): Three networks with Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley and David Brinkley ,,,, and I can’t remember who was the figurehead on the third. Later as the culture war gained traction we got the PBS polished-radical perspective. Of course, there was some variability of perspective an opinion in the papers — columnists etc, but even they pretty much all colored inside of the allowed lines.We were being done even those seven to ten decades ago, and didn’t have a clue. So how WERE we to know.
Ripple #194998 August 28, 2020 1:09 pm 3
The third was Peter Jennings on ABC.
RoBG #195043 August 28, 2020 3:34 pm 1
That brings back memories! My parents were channel 5 (Boston network affiliate). Families were network-loyal even though the differences between them were negligible. The news readers made big bucks then too.
c matt #194935 August 28, 2020 11:19 am 1
“fed plants” – misread that at first and thought you meant they were sneaking weed into the brownies on the pre-show snack cart.
Andy Texan #195098 August 28, 2020 6:19 pm 10
Kyle Rittenhouse will go down as the hero who changed the tide of events and ignited the anger of patriots. God bless him for stepping into the breech.
Frip #195103 August 28, 2020 7:07 pm 7
We kinda thought the same thing about Bernard Goetz. That was 35 years ago. Anyway, I hope you’re right.
Karl McHungus #195155 August 29, 2020 4:36 am 2
bullshit. goetz looked like dhamer’s brother. no one thought he was any kind of call to action. funny guy though…
Dinothedoxie #195158 August 29, 2020 8:42 am 2
He kind of was though. The NY public was fed up with crime in the mid 80s even though it took a few more years for Giuliani to get elected and imposed law and order.
Jim Smith #195160 August 29, 2020 8:51 am 4
That was then. This is now. Things have changed.
greyenlightenment #195212 August 30, 2020 7:37 am 1
he made some comments in which he seemed to delight in the killings, that turned the public off
SolzhenitsynOurProphet #194852 August 28, 2020 9:46 am 10
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
SolzhenitsynOurProphet #194857 August 28, 2020 9:49 am 7
Note, Solzhenitsyn does not mention “optics”. There is also the thought that said representatives of Stalin’s state would have had to understand they could lose their life at any time, perhaps something that Mr. Rittenhouse has, indeed, accomplished on some level. Then again, the behavior of the enemy combatants post RNC might say otherwise.
Karl McHungus #194967 August 28, 2020 12:15 pm 3
they would have brought in artillery and leveled the neighborhood.
Alzaebo #195080 August 28, 2020 5:07 pm 3
…and then the troops, having shelled a bunch of empty apartments, would’ve found the road behind them damaged and boobytrapped, with themselves in hostile territory… And things would have rapidly gotten better from there.
Karl McHungus #195151 August 29, 2020 4:23 am 1
you are delusional.
Bill Mullins #194958 August 28, 2020 11:58 am 3
Mike Vanderboegh introduced me to that passage several years before his passing. DAMN! But I miss him! I would dearly love to have read his thoughts about the shit that has gone down – and CONTINUES to go down – this year.
greyenlightenment #195027 August 28, 2020 2:31 pm 0
yeah except that america’s police have the same weapons the military uses .they got armored tanks, entire teams with 6+ guys breaking down doors armed with riffles and decked with body armor. Maybe if everyone worked together, it could work, but that will not happen without a lot of coordination. It is easy for him to say., Why didn’t he fight back. Yeah cause writing a book is easier.
Alzaebo #195081 August 28, 2020 5:10 pm 0
“Mika! Mika, stop! That was my grandmother’s bloc!” says one soldier to another…
Jim Smith #195162 August 29, 2020 9:57 am 9
Kyle Rittenhouse appears to bea very admirable young man. Various media outlets as well asAyanna Pressleyare going to have big problems with very expensive libel lawsuits brought against them byFightback Foundation lawyerson behalf of Kyle.
Frip #195002 August 28, 2020 1:26 pm 9
It’s curiously hard to fund Kyle Rittenhouse. Perhaps because his legal team took the case pro bono. Still, GuFundMe disallowed funding him, and without explanation. There’s a Christian funding site taking Kyle donations, called GiveSendGo. But it doesn’t seem to work (at least last night it didn’t), and today it’s oddly confusing re. Kyle links.Anyway, it seems the way to fund legal defense of Right causes or victims is #FightBack. Seems legit. It’s affiliated with the well-known attorney Lin Wood.It’s good to keep a list of who you’d like to donate too. Not just in the present, but have your favorite Dissident publications and people (such as Zman) added to your legal will. Why leave $10 grand to your deuschy Prog sister when you could give it to Counter Currents.https://fightback.law/
Drake #195037 August 28, 2020 3:08 pm 2
https://gab.com/kenmac/posts/104768167317590054
ChicagoRodent #195039 August 28, 2020 3:19 pm 11
Attorneys fees are the greatest expense in a case from inception to trial and appeal. However, other expenses can easily amount to the lower six-figures in a criminal case.“Experts” charge in excess of 50k apiece and typically you will call several of them, both for case prep/advisement and testimony. You may need to fly in character testimonial and other witnesses. You will need exhibits and to pay the folks who made them to swear behind their accuracy. Hotel rooms, per diems – can you see how effing ridiculously expensive our “system of justice” has become? It’s a bloody parody.I know, I am a federal patent litigator and trial attorney among other things, and the last time I appeared inside a court room was late 2019 dating from the mid-90’s. Give it up for Kyle if you are in a solid financial position, please.
Jim Smith #195161 August 29, 2020 9:25 am 7
Thelawyers in the fightback.law foundationare extremely big guns in the legal world. Whether they’re really with us or just hitching a ride on an emerging movement is an open question (this inAmerican Greatnesslooks pretty good). If they’re real, they will be hugely important. The Supreme Court is ripe for striking down or revising past garbage-decisions that harm us all, including in particular the civil-rights-era New York Times v. Sullivan case which allows the media to knowingly lie and destroy people without consequence.
Buckshot #194930 August 28, 2020 11:14 am 9
There’s a Christian fund me page for Kyle’s defence. I don’t have the link though but it’s pushing $100 000
Ostei Kozelskii #195028 August 28, 2020 2:44 pm 8
Z is exactly right. Hell, just look at the so-called “Civil Rights Movement.” Blacks, dressed up in their Sunday best, behaved like little angels at the lunch counters, and were set upon by foaming white southern men who knew the protesters were projecting a Potemkin village. The southern men were right, but they looked wrong on the evening news broadcasts, while the blacks looked like noble victims. And we know who won this contest. The lesson is an important one.
LineInTheSand #195032 August 28, 2020 3:02 pm 11
No, the important lesson is who controls the media and academia. Black civil rights is seen as glorious because of who wrote the narrative, not because of the suits that the activists wore. If our side was in control, the Cville crew would be folk heroes. Cherished optics will always be insufficient until you seize control from who writes the narrative. A guy from a hundred years ago with a funny mustache understood this.
thezman #195038 August 28, 2020 3:12 pm 18
Cherished optics will always be insufficient until you seize control from who writes the narrative. That cannot happen until you have power. Power comes from the barrel of a gun, control of the institutions or popular support. Lunatics dream of the first option, the second option is off the table, so that leaves the last option. You don’t get popular support by showing a loony face to the skeptical public. You get popular support by presenting yourself to the masses in a sympathetic and positive way. We’re right back to optics.
Official Bologna Tester #195070 August 28, 2020 4:48 pm 2
Well Mr. Z. Your right about the optics. But then again, the Conservatives have been putting on the happy rational face for over a century and what has it gotten them? Nothing but curses and slander. In the meantime, what do we actualy know about the end game of BLM and their establishment support? I don’t know if you watched it Z Man, but yesterday I posted a link to a short video by ” The Academic Agent” He has aunique perspective on the BLM situation. I’d appreciate it if you’d watch it and let me know what you think.“Understanding the Aims and Implications of BLM.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNAzBq3PMaE
thezman #195073 August 28, 2020 4:55 pm 14
I don’t care what the Left says about me. That’s not the point. This is one of the many defects of the bad optics crowd. They think the point of being respectable is to get the respect of the Left. They think this because they are a negative identity group. Who they are depends on an exogenous agent. Good optics starts with a positive identity that is independent of and indifferent to the Left.
Official Bologna Tester #195097 August 28, 2020 6:04 pm 3
Z Man said: “I don’t care what the Left says about me. That’s not the point. This is one of the many defects of the bad optics crowd. They think the point of being respectable is to get the respect of the Left. They think this because they are a negative identity group. Who they are depends on an exogenous agent…”Yah, that actually wasn’t ever close to my point Mr. Z. I did in fact agree with you about the bad optics. But I also pointed out that a 100 years of good optics has availed us nothing. Don’t you think that there are hundreds of millions of White people out there that can see their world crumbling around them? What keeps them from banding together? This goes way deeper than optics. Figure that out and then you’ll have somthing.
thezman #195099 August 28, 2020 6:26 pm 12
This is nonsense. There has not been 100 years of good optics. Every swelling of white populism since the founding of the empire has been sidetracked by weirdos, cranks and lunatics. Rockwell was a nut. Duke was a cynical grifter. The alt-right was a circus of fruitcakes and losers. The first step on the way forward is high standards.
Official Bologna Tester #195101 August 28, 2020 6:38 pm 1
ZMan said: ” The first step on the way forward is high standards.” Why Mr. Z. Your starting to sound like William F. Buckley. That would be an interesting experiment.Ethnonationalist Buckley Conservatism. Do yourself a favor, don’t start wearing sleeveless sweaters over a white shirt.
thezman #195102 August 28, 2020 7:01 pm 8
Buckley was not always wrong:https://youtu.be/5Tek9h3a5wQ?t=2934 His error was to think facts beats feelings. Righteousness > Feelings > Facts
Official Bologna Tester #195106 August 28, 2020 7:33 pm -4
Z Man said: “Buckley was not always wrong:”Buckley said: ” What is wrong in mississippe, is that there are too many white people voting. If I were myself a constituent of the community of mississippi at this moment, what I would do is vote to lift the standerds of the vote to disqualify 65% of the white peole who are presently voting.Well now. That’s really an eye opener Mr. Z. I had no idea you held such a profound animosity toward our rural brothers and sisters. I’m very disappointed in you z man. And on behalf of myself and all the wonderful rednecks I grew up with, I would just like to say, that you can kiss our collective country ass.
Frip #195116 August 28, 2020 8:28 pm 7
One reason for high standards is we’d like to give in-group, wordly, educated normies a reason to say yes to us. For status reasons, sophisticated Classic Liberals won’t be able to so much as glance our way as long as our tone and style are off. We can improve that way, without changing our message. (tl;dr. Don’t say nigger. Easy on the JQ. Stop going to Fantasy Fest.)
Ostei Kozelskii #195196 August 29, 2020 3:51 pm 3
I will say this in support of your position, Baloney: the hippies, the Black Panthers and the so-called “peace and free speech activists” of the mid-60s through early-70s didn’t exactly project good optics, yet they ultimately prevailed. Sometimes zealotry, monomania and raw force accomplishes more than good optics. That said, all things being equal, it is better to have optics working for than against you.
greyenlightenment #195213 August 30, 2020 8:07 am 1
they prevailed because they have the institutions on their side. Conservative Whites do not.
Ostei Kozelskii #195220 August 30, 2020 11:44 am 2
They prevailed because they conquered the institutions. The New Left was hardly in power at its inception.
acetone #195140 August 28, 2020 11:20 pm 0
Hear, hear!
Frip #195048 August 28, 2020 3:51 pm 6
You mention “controlling the narrative”. In more immediate terms, that means, who controls OUR protests. Who controls the video editing. Who controls the broadcast? Not us, that’s for sure. We’re not even allowed to peacefully protest. We’re barely allowed a civil Tucker broadcast. For us, we’re allowed to be seen doing nothing, or doing bad things. The instances that we luck into good optics are so rare that it can hardly impress normie–if he remembers it at all. This is a bit cynical and simplified. But I’m starting to lean more to the Violence Now side of the matter.
greyenlightenment #195071 August 28, 2020 4:50 pm 2
both are right
Ostei Kozelskii #195195 August 29, 2020 3:46 pm 2
Just because the other guys control the culture doesn’t mean you have to serve them chunks of bloody red meat on a silver platter. Projecting bad optics only makes their job easy. Project good optics and you make them look like dam’ fools as they casuistically distort the true story into their desired narrative.
Wkathman #194843 August 28, 2020 9:35 am 8
One hell of a piece! This is filled with not only immense wisdom, but also a few one-liner gems: “Like dogs trained with a shock collar, they flinch whenever the race issue arises.” Tremendous!
brunob #194914 August 28, 2020 10:55 am 4
they’re trying to do the same by inoculating soros against criticism with the threat of a shock administered with the words ‘anti s*mite’
Wkathman #195187 August 29, 2020 1:20 pm 1
As with all isms and phobias, “anti-Semitism” is a subjectively defined abstraction that cannot be measured in any real sense. But it’s a great tool for flogging the normies!
Rich #194897 August 28, 2020 10:31 am 7
There may be some skin optics issues here:https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/27/black-man-stabbed-random-white-autozone-employee-in-the-neck-after-watching-police-shooting-videos-n855810https://www.infowars.com/man-accused-of-hate-crime-yelled-black-lives-matter-before-stabbing-white-victim/
Educated.redneck #195076 August 28, 2020 4:58 pm 6
Why do they hate Autozone so much? Did they get tired of assaulting trash cans?
LineInTheSand #195001 August 28, 2020 1:16 pm 6
I read Z’s exhortations for optics and I reluctantly agree. But after I think a bit more, I conclude, “Z’s activism is insufficient to the task at hand.” I guess there has to be this dynamic where Z, Jared and Peter hector the civnats for insufficiency and we hector Z, Jared and Peter for their insufficiency. Many ladders are available for seekers to climb.
greyenlightenment #195014 August 28, 2020 2:07 pm 2
I think the strategy is to just let the left reveal themselves and just step back and not given them justification for their insanity. This means waiting for the left to to continue to lose the credibility of the public and normies .
Frip #195021 August 28, 2020 2:19 pm 10
The slow-build, 30 year plan is intellectually sound. But it’s a paper plan. It can’t be carried out in the real world because we’re not all wired into the will of D-Right Central Command. People are too pissed to wait decades before they get to open the gun closet. They’re thinking action now, and counting on domino effect. Or less cleanly, the thinking is, if there’s gonna be chaos, we’re at least gonna have a hand in it. My head says 40 year plan. But my gut says it can’t take another day of humiliation.
Alzaebo #195094 August 28, 2020 5:46 pm 5
“My head says 40 year plan. But my gut says it can’t take another day of humiliation.” +1000
ZerohTollrants #195104 August 28, 2020 7:26 pm 5
>lose weight, get in shape >no tats, piercings >nice, neat haircuts >wear suits or khakis and polos The Alt-right never cared about optics. WHAT?!?
Jim Smith #195166 August 29, 2020 10:39 am 3
>lose weight, get in shape. CHECK>no tats, piercings. CHECK>nice, neat haircuts. CHECK>wear suits or khakis and polos. DAMN . DO I HAVE TO?
whitney #194968 August 28, 2020 12:16 pm 5
Z-man, I’ve been reading Sam Francis because of your many positive mentions and it’s Illuminating. I feel like he is filling in gaps in my knowledge exactly where I need them to be. He’s also a fantastic writer and surprisingly funny
oksign #194938 August 28, 2020 11:22 am 5
The Zman said this may be an inflection point,a guy wrote a poem about inflection points…It was not part of their blood,It came to them very late,With long arrears to make good,When the Saxon began to hate.They were not easily moved,They were icy — willing to waitTill every count should be proved,Ere the Saxon began to hate.Their voices were even and low.Their eyes were level and straight.There was neither sign nor showWhen the Saxon began to hate.It was not preached to the crowd.It was not taught by the state.No man spoke it aloudWhen the Saxon began to hate.It was not suddenly bred.It will not swiftly abate.Through the chilled years ahead,When Time shall count from the dateThat the Saxon began to hate.
Frip #194977 August 28, 2020 12:25 pm 3
Dystopian splatter film for your vicarious viewing needs after such a dark week. I present to you: Hobo with A Shotgun. Starring Rutger Hauer as The Saxon who began to hate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J4xu0CuCOw
Alzaebo #195092 August 28, 2020 5:38 pm 1
Always refreshing, thanks My favorite line:They were icy — willing to wait
Arthur Sido #194924 August 28, 2020 11:09 am 5
This might be the most practical and useful post in a long time. We can’t make the job of the enemy easier than it already is.
Rwc1963 #195198 August 29, 2020 4:04 pm 4
PR is important but so is what you are selling and so far for the life of me I can;t figure what the DR is trying to sell NormiesSeriously compared to other groups like the Jehovah Witnesses, at least they can leave with a pamphlet or booklet explaining their group and what their core values and objectives are, etc.Just make sure the pamphlet is timely and relevant.That’s one approach the other is Peterson’s.Look at Jordan Peterson this guy shows how to get what I consider our key audience. Young white men., Our side could learn a lot from his approach if they just dropped all the jealousy and egomania that is stopping them from reaching such a audience.The 2016 Trump also shows us how to reach them without coming off as a Nazi or foaming at the mouth loon.
Bill Mullins #195185 August 29, 2020 1:14 pm 4
Sorry, Zman, but to my way of thinking optics don’t matter when the other side so completely and utterly controls the narrative. Controlling the narrative means controlling the optics as well.
Frip #195201 August 29, 2020 7:04 pm 3
There’s big screen optics and personal optics. I think we’d all pretty much agree on the personal. Look good, speak well, be likeable. It’s a slow-build, grassroots project.Big screen optics get more complicated. A good example was the contention over Jared Taylor agreeing to be interviewed for a CNN documentary a year ago.Most on our side thought it was a bad idea and were upset with him. The Zman-backed notion of the Manipulated for demonization, David Duke-Clown.Others thought it was simply good that normie saw & heard a normal white nationalist. I’m more in line with the latter–that how Taylor actually presented to normie carried more psychological weight than what a disembodied CNN voice-over opined about him. Direct impression vs. Received opinion.I’m still not sure why the well spoken…”good optic”…young David Duke type on TV was/is so bad. First of all, it’s unpreventable. You can only hope that whoever “represents” us, presents well.But Optics is pretty much parlor talk at this point. It’s getting real. Prog holds the megaphone and we’ve got to take him out.
The Optician #195211 August 30, 2020 5:55 am -2
It’s No Build. That’s what’s being sold. The Internet is a great place to feel superior and witty to (shudder) those people. That’s the core appeal and only product. The above speaker is confused as to what to do and what the offer is because there isn’t one. That’s the entire point. No one here can get a solution- there is none. You are the product- and you must remain inert or be “shouted down.”
greyenlightenment #195011 August 28, 2020 2:01 pm 4
A month ago, no one would have predicted the recent events in Kenosha. It just seemed like these ruling class riots would continue in the same manner until the election. Then suddenly we have video of a young white kid fighting for his life in the streets. The riots/protests began 3 month ago , so it was not inconceivable that it would continue or escalate. This event will wake up a lot of people.
RoBG #195029 August 28, 2020 2:46 pm 16
The riots/protests began back in the summer of 2016 when Trump supporters were chased down and assaulted at the San Jose rally. None of the assailants were punished then, just as they’re not punished now.
Frip #195033 August 28, 2020 3:03 pm 9
Disagree Grey, most folks didn’t expect rioting to be a continuous part of life. It’s a conceit of forum posting to act like nothing surprises you. But I was surprised by Kamala Harris in this clip. She’s so blatant about supporting the protests. Delivered with a sass meant to convey she means rioting too. Also note how narrow her verbal range is for a lawyer. She’s goes on like a repetitive streetcorner hoodrat. https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1299013980711784448
greyenlightenment #195040 August 28, 2020 3:26 pm 3
The overwhelming majority of women promoted to positions to power are not that smart. If Trump wins, I think we can all agree things will get much worse.
Karl McHungus #195154 August 29, 2020 4:33 am -3
so you are a biden voter then.
Alzaebo #195095 August 28, 2020 5:50 pm 4
Ah, good, that’s the clip where she states this will not stop, not even after they win the election of Joe the Trojan Horse.
T. Morris #194819 August 28, 2020 8:52 am 4
There is a LOT of wisdom in this post. I’ll be sharing it all around.
Karl McHungus #195156 August 29, 2020 4:38 am 3
well, the optics of all this rioting look pretty fukking bad for the dems, don’t you think? massively bad, killing lots of down ticket candidates. scale matters.
Jim Smith #195159 August 29, 2020 8:49 am 3
Let’s hope itdoesscale. If Trump wins and the GOP takes over the House while keeping the Senate, THEN we’ll see if this is a new (formerly Republican) party or not. It’ll be up to Trump. (And I, for one, am keeping all fingers and toes crossed.)
Dennis Roe #195231 August 30, 2020 8:34 pm 0
It looks bad to Whitey, not so much to brown and blacky, your new neighbors , thanks to the jews.
Dennis Roe #195112 August 28, 2020 7:53 pm 3
When everything comes at you as staged theatre, get ready for the clusterfuck….manipulation and control, gives Them, the boner. Who controls the money, controls the madness.
SolzhenitsynOurProphet #194861 August 28, 2020 9:50 am 3
“That is why those involved in dissident politics have always got to remember to be the friendly face to the skeptical public. If you meet the expectations people have for the good guys, you get treated as the good guys.” Did the leaders of the Lodz ghetto, in cahoots with their enemies, speak these reasonable words to their people, too?
Bill Mullins #194963 August 28, 2020 12:07 pm 1
Excellent point!
Xxxx #195188 August 29, 2020 1:21 pm 1
Yes, the leader is a Judas Goat. Without question Anne Frank has the best optics of the 20th Century. That’s the plan, and it works.It’s working here, now. There is no Right Wing, there is no White wing. Both have been actively prevented from coming into existence, and the method is “seem reasonable” and “avoid bad optics.”
Karl McHungus #195225 August 30, 2020 2:01 pm 2
i wonder why such an excess fuss is being made over that king of wakanda passing away? seems way over done to me…
Vegetius #195222 August 30, 2020 12:31 pm 2
The Enemy has realized they’ve made a huge mistake and are trying to get the antifa/blm golem off the streets without appearing to do so.They cannot meme the looting onto “right wing provocateurs” and so are trolling all of our sites, trying to goad people into giving them useable optics, especially violence. And now there are going to be plenty of Patriot Pray hotheads who may give it to them.A lot of people who are just getting here are suffering from that “we have to act!” bug. They need to be chilled out. Maybe now would be a good time to post calming words in other forums, especially for the guys we often tend to ridicule: 3 percent, oath keepers, etc.Until November, anyone else pushing for anything beyond outreach and propaganda should be treated as IDF, a fed, or an idiot. Or someone from Spencer’s old Alt Right who fits one or more of those categories, styling it ‘accelerationism.’After November we’ll see. It may be that someone else hits the accelerator for us. Keep your powder dry.If you want to act, act to make their useful idiots our useful idiots by posting milquetoast propaganda in their meatspace.I have no doubt the host and sole proprietor is working on that long-promised ABC’s of Z series we need. Maybe we can spend the fall getting that word out. A lot of interesting conversations going on at the gun store, the range, and the home security aisle at a hardware store near you.
Frip #195223 August 30, 2020 12:57 pm 2
Keeping a cool head. Good advice. If Trump would give us a sign that he won’t leave us unprotected we wouldn’t be so twitchy. Maybe keeping the citizenry feeling vulnerable is part of his short term strategy.
DoNothingSlaves #195226 August 30, 2020 2:58 pm 0
Today’s Do Nothing Talking Points bought to you by GS-9s at your regional Fusion Center. All this alphabet soup talk is their dream resume, nothing more. Yes, do nothing. It’s a 40 year plan. Can we hear 50? Go wash some feet 🦶🏿
G Lordon Giddy #194975 August 28, 2020 12:23 pm 2
Great advice for our side of things.
indocon1111 #195216 August 30, 2020 10:29 am 1
Man, level of pessimism here is depressing, your ancestors came across oceans and continents to settle here only for you guys to just lay down arms before even firing a single shot??? Do you even have any idea how pathetic of an enemy your face? All you have to do is start fighting back, the other side full of Hindus, Feminists, Gays, Jews, and yes AAs will splinter in a minute.
Whiskey #195221 August 30, 2020 12:27 pm 0
Pathetic yes. But backing them all is the US military and Federal gov’t. Ask anyone ground up by them how that went. Acting now is like the Warsaw rising. The Soviets stood off letting the Nazis level much of Poland. Thus the Poles were slaves until 44 years later. anti fa should be feared. Gr eatly. Behind every freak is a highly trained soldier. Or ten.
diconez #196141 September 2, 2020 5:28 pm 0
wholly agreed, mr Zman. peaceful resistance. strength doesn’t need to be fearsome. convert with as much smiles as zeal. i’d add that the fake cons as always are fearful and cucking, in this instance not wanting to get their hands dirty and get called racists by supporting Rittenhouse. and if it wasn’t for their Nick Sandmann debacle they’d be denouncing Rittenhouse as well, sperging about not following proper gun laws and “whatiftheroleswerereversed”, etc.
Karl McHungus #195215 August 30, 2020 9:30 am 0
found a good video of rioters chasing someone:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKKF9J8QOAQ
Frip #195218 August 30, 2020 10:56 am 0
Pause at 2:50. The tree branch yolk around the hopeless man’s neck. Tragic. Soon to be shipped across the ocean where a terrible American story will begin and never effing end. If only a great king or warlord had come and said “No, our people stay here.”By productions standards it seems like a B movie. But the village burning scene from 2:38 to 2:55 puts you eerily right there. With blacks herding their own into a life of slavery. Says it all. It may be worth finding the movie to see that whole scene play out. To get a feel of the logistical cruelty required gather and ship your brothers and sisters off in chains.
Frip #194851 August 28, 2020 9:46 am 0
delete
LineInTheSand #195026 August 28, 2020 2:29 pm 5
I will be wondering all day what thought Frip thought better of expressing. Can you conceive of what Frip might have said? I doubt anyone can.
Alzaebo #195078 August 28, 2020 5:02 pm 3
I will never forget Whitney’s immortal line, “I guess that’s what happens when you’re born with a Brillo pad on your head”
whitney #195100 August 28, 2020 6:36 pm 6
Haha! It’s all about the hair. Seriously though can you imagine knowing that Native Americans called you Buffalo Soldiers because they thought you looked like Buffalo and you kind of do
Karl McHungus #195217 August 30, 2020 10:34 am -1
OT: james lafond has a post by some cretin, about Churchill. It is unintentionally hilarious, as is almost everything the ex-box boy has on his site.
Whiskey #195205 August 30, 2020 12:27 am -2
This is no time for action … now. I think optics or really any action is not even something for consideration without an examination of the SWOT analysis: strengths, weakness, opportunties, threats.First, Joe Biden, just like Parker Lewis before him, can’t lose. He can’t lose. If the election were held today he’d win in a landslide. And even if Trump pulls close in some states, there’s massive mail fraud to make up the difference. He can’t lose. Trump will never get re-elected. BUT …That sets up the power struggle in the Dem party. The old faction, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton etc. have their hands on the till and had to dredge up Plan Z to stop Bernie and the Squad. Bernie’s old and White and Jewish. But the Squad are none of that and they have serious Gulf oil money behind them which means IRAN and they want a full blow racial jihad. The Gang of Old just wants to loot the country more and set up their retirement fund. They will be happy to gulag the deplorables but need to get more cash for more Subzero fridges. Like Pelosi’s twin stainless ones.The danger is Kamala Harris. With the proven morals of an alley cat, Willie Brown’s ex whore will easily ally with the Squad to force out Biden. Who is weak, senile, and has only his coke head son and “Dr. Jill” as his handlers. Bets on the Squad + Harris vs Cokehead Hunter and Dr. Jill?Which has the Old School in a panic. The Squad will take up all the graft opportunities. Plus get in front of cameras FIRST. Can’t have that. So I think the Coup is quite likely.The Occupy folks are at it again, trying to stage one of those color revolutions by taking the White House by mob action starting Sept 17th. The mob violence nationwide is dying down as they make their way to DC. To storm the White House, lynch Trump and Pence. And proclaim a commie republic.Naturally the Clinton State Dept. and Pentagon are all in. They have their own plans. Consul Hillary! All the better to preserve the graft for the old school and loot the country for their cronies. The US Joint Chiefs said the military would not intervene in the election. Which of course means they will, guaranteed. That’s the whole point of that statement and it has not gone un-noticed.No doubt there are deals with the Secret Service for them to stand aside. The Defense Secretary and Joint Chiefs tried this in May, and was thwarted by Barr rounding up some Homeland Defense people. That won’t work this time. The Occupy/Anti-Fa/BLM types will get aid from DC cops, and likely Spec Ops teams from the Defense Department. SEALs and the like. They follow orders. Its what they do.But this is not happening in a vacuum. China is highly likely to use this opportunity to not only invade Taiwan, but also take outposts to turn the Pacific into a Chinese Lake. They don’t want some war leader of the US using Chinese aggression as a unifying measure and rolling back their gains month by month. They are keenly aware of Japan’s mistakes, not taking Hawaii. China is quite likely imho to try and take Hawaii with paratroopers and and a converted civilian air transport force as they lack heavy sealift though they may convert cargo ships. Germany took Crete with paratroopers, albeit with heavy casualties. China does not care about casualties and a paratroop occupied Hawaii re-inforced by sea transport would put the US squarely in the range of Chinese aircraft and missiles. Something they very much want to do.Trump is toast. He is totally 1980s clueless about the nest of vipers he lives with and has this idiot notion that its still 1988 or such. He has no idea that likely his own son in law and daughter have sold him out for some “deal” that will never be honored with Pelosi or somesuch. They’ll end up lynched like Trump and Pence as well.So at this point there is no point going out and fighting the Soviet and Nazi forces in the Bloodlands of Eastern Europe. Our best hope is to lay low, and await events of big magnitudes. The lynching of Trump and Pence. Sure to radicalize every White man and encourage every non White. The Proclamation of Hillary! as Acting President or Consul or whatever the Joint Chiefs come up with. The reaction and inevitable counter-coup to Hillary and the Joint Chiefs when they lose Hawaii and most of the Pacific Fleet to the surprise Chinese attack.THEN is the time to join whatever Corsican Corporal comes around. Then indeed as Johnny Cash sang, the Man will come around. The trumpets will blow.
Karl McHungus #194986 August 28, 2020 12:40 pm -2
here’s some guys who go a little to far out in front of the herd:https://youtu.be/PPvuAVO2-NI
Jerry Pence #194892 August 28, 2020 10:23 am -2
I’m surprised that you side with Kyle, as you seem to adhere to the do nothing approach to white advocacy.Minus tats and Nazi contacts won’t matter for Kyle as the left will still label him a white supreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemist, the same way they label any and all white men.
Joey Jünger #194921 August 28, 2020 11:07 am 10
Yeah, but whether the label sticks sometimes depends on whether or not the white man plays along. The Covington Kid not only won the moral victory but won a lot of money too (and more importantly, took that money from the libelous sleazebags), versus the Heimbach kid who donned his Colonel Klink helmet, stuck out his potbelly, and made it quite easy for our enemies to truss him for slaughter.
greyenlightenment #195020 August 28, 2020 2:18 pm 8
Kyle helps our cause by revealing the left as insane and anti-white, in terms of the left’s response. .Having some nice-looking white guy defend himself while trying to protect a town from rioters, and then persecuted by the same type of people who attacked him, will be a major red pill for normies. Z himself has never advocated that anyone do what Kyle did, but he is saying that if someone does do it, that optics matter, such as not looking like a skinhead.
Educated.redneck #195075 August 28, 2020 4:57 pm 9
You mistake “do nothing that is stupid” with “do nothing.” Makes me think the only thing you know how to do is stupid stuff.
Xxxx #195186 August 29, 2020 1:16 pm -2
No, yer Do Nothing. Don’t kid yourself. Being honest might keep you alive longer.
The Optician #195210 August 30, 2020 5:50 am -5
Look at the poor optics of the dead MAGA in Portland. Infidel patch? Bitch please. https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-on-streets-of-portland-developing/ And One shudders to think of his footware. We’re all better off without such types. If one is going to one’s death it is very important to maintain sartorial standards.
DR is Passive Death #195077 August 28, 2020 4:59 pm -7
To continue to vanish from history without a fight, listen to this guy.The Jews had the moral high ground in the Camps, they were not freed by a public relations campaign. We can add those who died in the GULAG. Beyond question the victims of the Khmer Rouge had the moral high ground.Every businessman who was destroyed by the riots has the moral high ground. Had Rittenhouse been killed he would be in the ground, but he’d have the moral high ground.I judge by results. The results of the dissident right are we have lost yearslistening to Moldbug and the others while we could have gathered our strength.We are now losing the remaining weeks we have still afraid to get it together, still “shouting down” anyone who says fight. Well it only takes one side to fight, and only one side to kill. All they are doing you know is moving test to test, outrage to outrage, gathering their strength. The Left is training themselves on all of us- this is a proven formula of escalating your boldness and killing – and its working. The Left however freakish some may appear is no more bizarre than the Jacobins or Bolsheviks, and just as real.However flawed the Left is a real movement and a real armed movement, the Right is a series of scams. Including DR.The sum total of the DR is its a controlled opposition play to keep us scattered and passive until it is too late.
thezman #195085 August 28, 2020 5:14 pm 9
Dissident Right does not mean what your cult leaders told you it means. Moldberg is a NRx guy.
Xxxx #195157 August 29, 2020 8:09 am 0
In the final moments you’ll wish you’d fought.
diconez #196150 September 2, 2020 6:02 pm 0
yes, but there’s a way to fight.the funny uniform and weapons have to be in the closet mostly… mostly. because not everyone will make it just blogging and/or “building parallel networks” and/or fight-club-like moving in the shadows until leviathan can be taken on. and heck, even fight club had its martyrs for the cause – “his name is robert paulson”. thus something as simple as graffiti with the names of dead whites works. we need to be kinetic still – but safely, not swinging around the ar around white teen shoulders right away.
acetone #195141 August 28, 2020 11:26 pm 2
Moldbug is alright. I like him well enough. He is a productive with fresh ideas. Hit rate isn’t 100%, but who’s perfect? Finally, there are so few people on the DR that produce content that its silly IMO to be too critical of any of them. Like z man says, we need to build on ramps. Content creators are the most effective way this is done.
diconez #196147 September 2, 2020 5:52 pm 0
it depends, what does the ramp lead to? i liked Moldbug until he blurted out scientistic belief in robots saving us. idk, different strokes ig.
JEB #194934 August 28, 2020 11:18 am -12
Appearances don’t just matter physically, they matter with words as well. If your words are dripping with unnecessary hostility towards leftists and blacks they will make a bad impression, even if they include facts that are accurate and important. One of the things that dismays me about the comments here (and in similar forums elsewhere) is the lack of generosity shown towards people on the other side. They are still human, and even if you hate them, even if you think you havegood reasonto hate them, displaying that openly is never going to be good optics.
Karl McHungus #194965 August 28, 2020 12:12 pm 2
cuck’s wisdom.
Guest #194978 August 28, 2020 12:26 pm 0
Agree 100%. This is why I have pleaded with the Zman to moderate the comment section here. It is trending toward a lighter version of Stormfront or Amren, which is not good. Like it or not, a blog is judged in part by the content of the comments.I used to refer normies to this blog, but no longer do so because of the degradation of comment section. Normies would take a scan through the comments and write the blog off as a racist ghetto, which it definitely is not. Also, the comments would reflect poorly on me as a long-time reader of the blog.Also need to limit the number of comments that a single user can submit in a day to reduce the verbal clutter. It’s not even noon in my neck of the woods and by my count Karl has almost 30 comments already. That’s the kind of thing that reduces the signal to noise ratio significantly.
Compsci #194991 August 28, 2020 12:59 pm 1
Yep, one thing at UNZ that keeps me reading is the ability to exclude/filter commenters. There are some people who never, or rarely, contribute anything to the discussion worth reading. Or are completely predictable. As this group grows and such people increase, it will be harder to maintain interest.
Alzaebo #195096 August 28, 2020 5:59 pm 1
(It took sand, Compsci, to emphasize the “don’t do something stupid”- I’m glad you brought it up, and I was won over by the Stand With Kyle response. If I was Normie, I’d be swung by the debate, I think everybody acquitted themselves well and am grateful to both the audience and the host. Heck yes I was boiling, I just did a trip from Portland, to Seattle, through Minneapolis, and near Kenosha that night.)
greyenlightenment #195018 August 28, 2020 2:12 pm 4
The problem is blog comments do not work that well beyond 20-50 or so comments, especially when they go off-topic, as they tend to do. Someone will nitpick about something and then that derails things for 30 posts,
Ostei Kozelskii #195197 August 29, 2020 4:03 pm 2
The other side of this argument is that the stultifying and Procrustean toxicity of white racism could be shattered by violating Leftist taboos. What this means is that, by mocking the alleged evil of white racism, we make their pieties look foolish, carve out space for speaking unspeakable truths, and embolden whites to embrace their white identity. As long as we pay cringing lip service to Leftist anathematization of white racism, on the other hand, we are semantically straightjacketed.
thezman #194981 August 28, 2020 12:29 pm 14
If you go to a ball game, you’ll run into at least one guy not wearing a shirt or a guy using profanity. Such is life in public places.
Frip #194993 August 28, 2020 1:02 pm 5
I was with you in spirit til you showed signs of being an outright Stuart Smalley. “…the lack of generosity shown towards people on the other side.” gtfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OR9KzolAM8
Educated.redneck #195079 August 28, 2020 5:04 pm 11
Openly displaying hatred is often, but not always, bad optics. Sometimes, it is necessary and the best optics. Hatred of the bad is just as moral as love of the good. Failure of the right’s “leaders” to condemn the pedos, warmongers, usurers, predatory speculators, and sexual deviants has cost the right the moral high ground and countless losses in the culture war for decades.


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