OT: I was working out at the gym, on a bike. I read while cycling, but when the chapter ends before the workout I might look up at all of the TV screens scrolled across the wall.Yesterday I saw an ad, in Spanish, with text reading, “Voting determines the future. Don’t let them determine our future. Register to vote.”They come to this country to determine our future. And they consider us – the existing country – to be ‘them’. How is that not an invasion, deserving of being repelled by force of arms?Mexicans have already determined the fate of one country, the one they flee. The results will be the same wherever they become a majority.I agree with yesterday’s thesis: this is what our elites want for us. It is not accidental or unforeseen. It is the plan. There’s probably a white traitor paying for those ads.That guy better have a good bolt-hole when tomorrow belongs to us.

It’s so interesting to notice: Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and whatever other idiots spend the entire show whining about “the left calls everybody nazis they disagree with boo hoo” and then spends the whole q&a calling the groypers nazis lol. Same with the gay black guy at OSU, he was going on about how conservatives should be accepting of gays, then at the end he says “lol if you want gay sex you can find it”, using gay as pejorative. These clowns are total frauds and I’m glad they’re being exposed. Demographics, demographics, demographics. Keep hammering away.

If you’re not allowed to think of yourselves as a people, then every discussion boils down to material wealth. Conservative Inc continually hammers the idea that America (and thus Americans) was founded on the idea of freedom and the chance to build a better life. Libertarianism fits that perfectly.If you start with that premise, immigration, building a business, etc., are all opportunities for individuals to fulfill those ideals. The hard-working, freedom-loving immigrant will find his paradise here and become a productive American, just like your ancestors did. The entrepreneur (truly the greatest American) will build a better life for himself, his family and his workers.We counter that with the amorphous ideas of “community” or “Americans first.” Those are decent but not as powerful and as ingrained in the white psyche as “freedom” and “chance to build a better life.”We need to counter with rhetoric that beats “freedom” and “chance for a better life.” What cuts through that BS: Survival.“Among their age group, my kids are a minority. What kind of life will they inherit? Is Mexico a free country? Is Africa a place where whites can build a better life?”“The government already allows discrimination against whites. You say that you’re against this, yet you want to allow in people who would vote for politicians that are openly anti-white? How can this be?”“Why is identity politics wrong? Why shouldn’t a group, particularly an ethnic group, band together to protect themselves, especially in a multi-ethnic country?”“By definition, an ethnic or racial group is just an extended family? What wrong with having ethnic political organizations that advocate and protect their extended family? Isn’t that family values?’I could go on, but you get the idea.

My view of the Right libertarian leg of the Fusionist stool is that they either assumed that culture was a given, or they didn’t care. They just wanted the unfettered ability to exploit the economy: low taxes, reduced regulations, busted unions, etc. I could be wrong about this, but their love for the brown hordes invading the land seems like a later innovation, perhaps motivated by the end of the baby boom. The Left libertarians just want to dress up like girls, ponies, etc., and spread venereal diseases. Right libertarianism ceased when they embraced dress up and sodomy.

Great minds think alike. My favorite American commentator–the Zman–and my favorite English commentator–Morgoth–have recently both smashed down the idea that we should serve the economy, instead of the other way around. Here’s Morgoth’s video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6STp1ogk_qE Morgoth is necessary viewing (and reading; he has a blog) for anyone in our thing.

I’ve never understood how either Buckleyites or libertarians could be taken seriously long enough to even bother to refute them.When I was a kid I knew and cared almost zero about politics, but even as a teenager I knew implicitly that Buckley was an asshole just by seeing him on television for a few minutes. The absurd body postures, that insufferable accent, his squid-tentacles manner of speaking… I took one look at the guy, shrugged and said, That guy’s an asshole. Who cares what he has to say? (It’s funny to note that since I didn’t care what Buckley was saying, I just sort of assumed he was a leftist because he looked like such an asshole.)Same thing with the libertarians. When I was a teenager, everyone I saw carrying around those Ayn Rand books was an asshole (viz. I knew these kids personally, and knew they were all idiots and assholes.) So I just assumed — correctly, as it happens — that libertarianism was a doctrine of assholes. Finally I asked one of them to explain “libertarianism” to me, and when they finished, I just shrugged with incredulity and asked, “And you actually believe that horsesh!t?” It was so stupid I didn’t think it even needed to be refuted.Most of what I think of politics actually just comes from raising beefsteak tomatoes and eggplants in my back yard as a kid. If you do your gardening libertarian style, you get a lot of very fat worms and bugs and a lot of weeds, and no tomatoes.

I flirted with libertarianism for a while after HW Bush dropped the mask on mainstream fake conservatism. They appealed to me on small government (government seems to attract evil sociopaths so of course I want to minimize it), and basic economic math stuff like Warren story.But I could never go all-in for many of the reasons Z cites. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge that their open borders ideas are stupid and suicidal. Culture, history, and race are simply ignored. Scratch them hard and they always jump left. And now places like Reason are openly funded by guys like the Kochs. They really are assholes.

I still get spam email from mainstream conservative and libertarian operations I haven’t visited in ages. What I’ve noticed about all of it is the weird totally spectator nature of the discourse. These tea party sites and Breitbart talk about everything in a “Did you hear about Hugo and Kim?” tone, as if politicians are popular kids in school and everyone else is just at the margins of some high-school drama. The browning of America of course means that politics will basically just be fat black and Jewish women doing a coffee klatch (like The View) but the whites are even worse. Zioclops’ (Dan Crenshaw’s) only argument against those young white males was that they wouldn’t get laid unless they put on uniforms and died for Israel. I think that’s the only reason your Ben Shapiro types push back against Trannies in the military; they need young white guys to fantasize about battling alongside bros and not inter-gender types while dying in the sandbox.

The shortest summation of libertarianism is: political eunuchism. It’s powerlessness as a matter of principle. But if the central principle of your opponents is amassing power, and your central principle is renouncing power, how is that going to work out? It’s like a religious cult that renounces sex. Marginalization and extinction are built right into the logic of it. Libertarianism really is a cult of renunciation, with an unpleasant mix of cowardice and vanity just under the N.A.P. preening.

“[T]hese people are just part of the candy coating of the Progressive nut inside.” Z, where do you get gems like this?

InB4 I listen, on topic – one of the Americans I spoke with after Oslo Scandza was trying to sell me pretty hard on Propertariansim. I’ve tried to deep-dive on this before but pulled the rip-chord after a few hours because it just sounded like a re-branding of hard philosophical libertarianism. In last year’s pod on “fringe politics” Z conveyed the same impression on Propertarianism.I tried the Doolittle-brand packaging and the Mark-brand packaging, neither turned me on. Doolittle struck me like a libertarian Moldbug, even less appealing than Mark. When I told the Propertarian that it just seemed like a grander Kantian-Calvinist-grade hyper-complex built on the same falacious quicksand of man as homo economicus, he acted like I had just reduced Romeo & Juliet to an 80’s Sean Penn movie.Am I really missing something? Am I a Philistine? Somebody put me some knowledge on this if I am.

Now I can’t see or hear the phrase “Reason Magazine” without hearing the horn in my head. Thanks, Pavlov.

Pretty hilarious podcast but while I love to mock libertarianism and the grifters who run the thinktanks and magazines, I try to remember that many of us came to the dissident right via a brief stop in libertarianism. Hell, I voted for that idiot pothead Gary Johnson twice. Mock the philosophy all you like, I have been dropping some biological realism on the Mises page for fun, but be gentle with the average libertarian. They might be on our side before you know it.

“The trouble with that is they need to explain how their thing was so easily taken over by the left-wing degenerates that now dominate the racket. Again, the same critique applies here as to Buckley-style conservatism. ” That’s a good point. Does it apply to Christianity, too? I’m not at anti-Christian, I just think it has a soft-underbelly, and has poor defense mechanisms against Progressivism. Let’s face it: Christianity was the dominant cultural force in the West and it got routed by the Left.

Another reason things like basic healthcare for all can’t work in America, is just how much of a racket healthcare has become. Billions and billions of dollars are bilked every single year. Just recently I read a story about how Indians and other Asians ran the biggest medicare racket in our history selling fake back braces and knee braces to medicare patients via telephone and TV ads. God only knows how much of the federal and state spending on healthcare is just entirely fictitious and just a racket.What is the libertarian answer to a lot of the high costs? “Tort Reform” They want to take away your ability to be compensated if some Indian quack screws you up for life. Of course, Jew lawyers chasing ambulances doesn’t help. There really is abuse of the tort laws, but the fix isn’t to make being made whole again illegal!They deserve all the hate they get.

The callous bastards segment made me pause the audio to respond to it. Z wants his neighbors to have access to health care. Fine. I can’t for the life of me remember when someone was turned away from a hospital or ER. Everyone has access to health care. How it is paid for is not the same thing. It muddies the water to claim all don’t have “access to healthcare”.

I think some of the young libertarians are not dishonest, just naive. The comparison betweenLord of the RingsandAtlas Shruggedis perfect. I think a lot of young libertarians basically have recently finishedAtlas Shrugged, and just haven’t realized yet that real life doesn’t work like that. * (“young libertarians” = me, LOL)

>libertarianism is now one of the heads of the monster This. Libertarianism in the current year is objectively anti-white.

Occasionally, I still drop in to a few of the lolbertarian blogs and sites that I used to frequent and even write for. It’s wall-to-wall muh open borders and muh tranny rights (“love wins”). Back in the 1990’s when I got involved, it still had a few decent critical thinkers and civilised Western men but they have long gone. For all intents and purposes now, they may as well be considered as a wing of the far-left.

I told myself last night after my 14th comment, “Don’t comment for a while, just listen or ask a question.” I might have to listen to this twice since I find myself distracted with 6 to 10 tabs open on my browser. That many tabs open and listening to Z doesn’t work.Scenario: Chinese couple owns a big house in an affluent area, own a house in Taiwan, and one in Beijing. The wife was a successful Taiwan business woman and the husband makes a good living, and they are part owners in a business in the states. They live here 4 months of the year. She’s a citizen; I don’t know how long. He’s not, doesn’t speak English. He gets Medicare.How? WHY?

You refer briefly to Sam Francis. When I came here four or so years ago I had no idea who that was…reading him was a revelation. His book “Shots Fired,” is available and tho 20 years old, is fresh and current today. There’s a good introductory essay on him at Amren.comhttps://www.amren.com/features/2019/09/sam-francis-the-prophet/Just as an aside, Francis and a lot of other good people were bounced and attacked by National Review. That place is in the dumps now, and all the weasels who did it have been let go, politely, with nice press releases, but are now “pursuing other interests.” They’ve appointed a guy from The Federalist to resurrect it. He’s pretty much a standard libertarian. That should work so well….

Burn down the cereal aisle. The future is bacon and eggs, lads.

Jon Haidt owes me some dough for shilling him like this, but I’ma do it again. Libertarians are aboriginal liberals. Compared to ethno-nationalists, they are moral horseshoe crabs in the tree of political life. Libertarians seem to have moral eyesight even less diversified than the liberals Haidt found were limited to the “harm” and “fairness” spectra. They are almost entirely limited to the “harm” spectrum. Like Popeye McCain, a Libertarian has one I but cannot see, but in the Conservatarian nation of the blind, every one-I’d man is still king.

Libertarians have become the new left in some ways. They truly think that race, IQ, and culture do not matter. I’m not really sure where the open borders stupidity originated. Things like community and social trust among people who look similar is lost on them as well.

Regarding universal healthcare: Britain’s NHS has found a novel way to cut costs – deny care to white people while still requiring them to pay taxes. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-50286473

First common ground. Libertarianism equals unrealistic fantasyland and hypocrisy bad. Same applies to the notion that we can talk our way out of the mess that we’re in (mega fantasyland). Consequently, the dissident movement’s focus on finding the right magic words to spread around and thereby rally the masses is also not a realistic solution to what ails us. At best you just slow the rate of veering into the ditch. Hard truth is a bummer both ways.

The paleo-libertarians were mostly concerned about the limits of the State, but they were also skeptical about unfettered capitalism as well. Obviously, one part of their perspective was congenial to patronage by capitalists and one wasn’t and, as they say, made all the difference. Commutarian libertarianism basically disappeared from the political landscape and pro-capitalist, libertine libertarianism was promoted. Which is how we got to today, where ‘conservatism’ is simply Leftism on installments.

Well now, the Booby outgrew his Libertarian faith many moons ago, but let’s be fair. There’s nothing inherently “open boarders”, for example, about Libertarianism, per se, It’s just that that’s what the mainstream academic face of the movement has adopted.Problem is, Libertarianism is impossible to define, as every Libertarian will give you a different definition of “what it means to be a libertarian”. Frankly, if a people freely decides it doesn’t want open boarders and prefers to preserve an ethnic identity within the boarders of a nation-state that can be a perfectly Libertarian outcome… problem is, so can the opposite.In the final analysis it seems Libertarianism is a desire to be seen as, not so much as righteous, but nice, by always falling back on “individual freedom” as some undefined goal, because anything less than this “freedom” (whatever that even means) as they see it would require taking a stand that may be perceived by some as “not nice”.Just the Booby’s two cents.

As a Kentuckian, allow me to expound on the fall of Matt Bevin for a few minutes. Short version: Matt Bevin is a flaming douchebag who managed to barely lose his race while every other GOP candidate down the ballot not only won his or her race, they curbstomped their Democratic opponents by double digits. Bevin’s loss is on Bevin and Bevin alone.The closest race down the ballot was for Secretary of State, where the no-name GOP candidate beat a former Miss America by over 60,000 votes. Watching his victory speech, one was left with the impression that no one was more surprised by his victory than he was. Three of the other winning GOP candidates won by 100,000- 200,000 votes.When you compare the vote margins that the other GOP candidates for compared to Bevin, you see that most of them got 100,000 more votes in their statewide races than he did. Not only that, all of the other GOP candidates for statewide office also got 100,000 more votes than New year did. A 100,000+ voters hated Bevin and Beshear both so much that they didn’t vote for either candidate for governor. The Libertardians can crow all they want: they didn’t spoil anything. Bevin lost because six- figures worth of GOP voters left their ballot blank for the governor’s race. Any other GOP candidate for governor would have won.So why does Bevin suck so much? He’s Trump without any of the roguish charm, picking fights and insulting his enemies and allies with abandon. He picked a huge fight with the teachers over their pension system and, frankly, made it personal by trying some Trumpesque insult comic shtick that didn’t go over well with the wammins. Then, when the GOP dominated legislature didn’t move quick enough to suit him, he picked a fight with them as well. The Republican establishment already didn’t like him, because he’d tried the outsider shtick in his various political runs and picked fights with all of them before. He was primaried for this most recent race and his opponent, a backbencher from the state legislature, got 40% of the vote.As far as our thing goes, he’s a David Frenchian cuck of the first order. In fact he out “Frenchs” David French, having gone to Africa to adopt a virtue signaling black baby three times. He’s also one of those “Right on crime” thug- hugging Jesus freaks. His running mate for his first run was a ridiculously unqualified black wammin, picked to suck up to the blacks and she was a Libertardian to boot. Of course, she ended up hiring a bunch of incompetent cronies as her staff, and she and Bevin ended up suing each other when he tried to fire them. He went with a Hispanic for his running mate this time.I will shed no tears over Matt Bevin. The legislature remains GOP dominated, so Beshear won’t be getting anything through. I figure he’s one and done in 2023 to literally whichever Republican runs against him.

That segment on African socialism was very dark comedy. In factAtlas Shruggedis the intellectual property I would most like to see blackwashed in the contemporary Hollywood style.

The Massachusetts crook you were thinking of is my old Congressman John Tierney

Late to the party. Had a bit of resentment with giving the chosen people a pass but who can stay mad at someone who plays The Allman Brothers ? 😉

The straightforward answer is probably the most likely answer: After Mueller crashed and burned, Pelosi and Trump sort of agreed to a cease fire. Pelosi would tamp down “impeachment”, but let her crazies keep working on it to keep the flame alive and avoid dispiriting their base. Trump wouldn’t let the Barr investigation get too far, or so Pelosi assumed.THE trigger that launched impeachment wasn’t Trump tellling Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. It was Trump mentioning “Crowdstrike”. Crowdstrike is the company the DNC hired to “prove” that they were hacked by the Russians. This so-called fact was accepted by the FBI without a shred of proof, and subsequently used by the FBI, CIA, DOJ and Mueller to claim that Russia interfered in the election. Without this fake evidence, all Mueller would have in his report is a couple dozen Russian trolls saying bad things about Hillary on social media. Their pathetic efforts amounted to a fraction of a hundredth of a percent of total anti-Hillary messaging on social media in 2016. It is also the pretext for social media companies to silence dissent, deplatform alternative voices, and generally go full throttle authoritarian.If Crowdstrike is a fraud, the whole charade falls apart – including ALL of the convictions won by Mueller to date. Flynn’s case gets overturned. Stone’s case gets overturned (it is all based on the “fact” that Russia had the emails…they don’t). It re-opens the question of how wikileaks got the emails and it reopens the curious case of Seth Rich.Furthermore, Ukraine was a way to pump foreign aid into the coffers of prominent Government Party members. Obama did this with the stimulus too…$1T in spending pumped into labor unions which was donated right back to the DNC and Obama coffers. Foreign aid is a perfect scam. Send aid to a country, set up a “non profit” to help disseminate the aid, and collect the aid money from your phony non profit. There are probably more than a few prominent Democrats and Republicans and government party bureaucrats who cannot withstand a full audit of where that money went, who got it, and who profited. They have to SHUT IT DOWN SHUT IT DOWN NOW.So, a bunch of Biden/Obama staff operating in the 5th Column within the Trump Administration, here the word “Crowdstrike” and “Biden” and they put the pieces together. This launches the Democrats in Congress over the moon in panic, and they immediately launch Coup Part Two using essentially the exact same strategy as Coup Part One:1. Get the CIA to write a “dossier” (called a “whistleblower” complaint) and get the IC IG to suddenly allow hearsay complaints to be elevated as legitimate complaints.2. Get a bunch of so-called experts to express shock and alarm about the contents of the fake dossier.3. Start a on-sided investigation to “get to the truth” which is nothing but a one-sided kangaroo court designed to railroad Trump.That the IG Draft Report got sent to Barr on/about 9/13 just amplified the panic. The draft mostly likely contains criminal referrals from the IG that go beyond the usual “lack of candor” bullshit from prior reports. The criminal referrals are meaty and they matter.Those criminal referrals reveal that Coup Part One and Coup Part Two involve the same fricking people doing the same fricking thing, which means guys like Schiff are in mortal legal peril.So, Pelosi lets the rabid dogs off the chains believing that the Senate will stop this before it gets out of control.

” crooked as a rams horn”. that is a nice colloquialism, I’m going to start using it

The thing I hear from John Mark and the idea of propertarianism and a new constitution that I think is correct.Our nation here in North America has a long history of a constitutional document laying somewhere on a table, after all we were founded by the English.The normies need a constitution similar to the one we currently have to get buy in in my opinion.It will not be easy to move to anything like a heirarchal form of government even though our democracy as currently constituted is a failure. We must take baby steps to move away from our democratic fallacies.I like the idea of some kind of monarch system with veto power only st the monarch level.But whatever happens in our future we must preserve culture over economy.The Z is right about that.Libertarianism is nothing but economic raping and pillaging with little regard for the damage to culture.Wal Mart Inc was our first big sign of this kind of damage 40 years ago.

Z Man, I’m sorry, but I have to take you to task for comparing the Shire to libertarianism. The Shire had, among other governmental powers:Mayor of Michel Delving (an autocratic ruler, with no legislative or judicial backstop)a Thain (a ruthless military strongman )the Warden of WestmarchShirriffs and Bounders (jack booted government thugs)the Shire-moot, and captain of the Shire-muster and the Hobbitry-in-arms(collectively right wing storm troopers)and two Big Men:the Master of Bucklandthe head of the Took clan Libertarians? Bah! Good solid Fascists if you ask me!

When confronted with librarian philosophy in total it was obvious that too many things just did not add up. Same as it was when reading what the conservative inc. bozos were putting out. if dissident realism is where we are now. What will we become on the other side of the hill. Identitarian realists maybe.

The Zman may be basking in my salty libertarian tears, avidly drinking my milkshake, but Severian is in thrill kill blackpill over at Rotten Chestnuts! (Thanks to a reader for the reminder of uni goodness.) Wait, wait, I got a solution:Let’s ban weed and beat the kids! That’ll solve, like, everything (!)– and I’ve seen the light, I am now a proud Conservative! Love you, Benny! Love you, Sean!You’re a great American!

Broad coalitions sound good in theory, but different groups have different interests. Those interests often conflict. Advances for one group often come at the expense of another. That’s why broad coalitions are more susceptible to resentment, division, and eventual dissolution. With that said Ethno-Nationalism is Un-American. It has NO place in the conservative movement You need to builf broad coalition to make America great for EVERYONE believe in natural rights for ALL believe in E Pluribus Unum—out of many one e condemn the hateful ideology that is white supremacy