The whole “men more competitive – women more cooperative” is a gross oversimplification IMHO. I’ve lost track over the years of how many women who have told me that they HATE working with other women. Maybe their periods all get in sync or something – but a bunch of women working together in an office environment typically end up acting like hormonally deranged high school age girls. The women who have told me this were all highly educated and smart and competent – and included female managers I worked under and a highly successful female business owner.In my experience it is MEN who are more cooperative than women. Men are more individualistic and competitive – but they also seem to inherently know how to cooperate in a group setting to get something done. I have played on sportsball teams before where the team just worked without anybody being an outright leader. Working in high tech – I have worked on multiple teams – all men – who have also worked together in the same fashion. No ostensible “leader” – the men just got the work done. The long history of men working together in groups to hunt and marching in armies I think would bear out this observation. Women have no comparable history.On the flip side it seems that whenever you try and put a bunch of women together in a “team” – it turns into a variation of one of those “Mean Girl” movies – where there’s one head bitch – and some of her minions – who just run roughshod over the rest of the “team”. If I had to guess (and I’m not guessing much because again, I’ve had women say they hate this shit) – women dive out of the workforce because they don’t want to spend their lives reliving high school.Jordan Peterson has a video somewhere on Youtube where he talks about female lawyers. He said they’re highly educated , extremely smart – and they still leave the profession in their 30’s. The figure out that it’s not worth working themselves into an early grave – and because they’re typically married to successful men – they CAN leave. On the flip side he says there is a sub group of highly competent – highly competitive men in lawyering – who will just work themselves to death. Women simply cannot – or will not bother to – keep up with that.I’ve seen the same thing in high tech – it’s not full of women pulling 14 hour days and working at 2am in the morning. That’s almost the exclusive domain of men – especially the young ones , who haven’t figured out yet they’re being taken for a ride.

Three things have vastly eroded the foundation of Western society: 1. Women’s suffrage2. Women in the workplace3. Birth control

Most women need a religious underpinning to their activism, especially if it gets a step or two beyond the simple alleviation of perceived suffering.Marxist feminism provides this, mostly by playing up the supposed suffering and putting it in a mythic framework complete with a bogey man and a promised Eden somewhere in the hazy distance.The dissident right simply fails to provide anything like a satisfying non-material rationale. Simple appeals to reason or evidence do not work.Better to take something a woman already feels strongly about and reframe it in such a way that her emotions are redirected however indirectly, e.g. highlight the Jewish character of the abortion racket, point out the way that many brown Latinos treat animals, etc.Also, selective but ruthless white knighting is one of the best things you can possibly do. A chance for you to show your quality, as they say. At least to the audience of females present if not the one you are actually sticking up for. Once a female has made up her mind that you are Worthy, bringing her along politically is a detail.If you think that this sort of “scheming’ about how to get females to do what you want is somehow dishonest or makes you uncomfortable, understand: women spend the first half of their lives engaged in precisely this sort of behavior and do not lose a minute’s sleep over it.

A comment on what happens when a profession is taken over by women and how I view the exceptions to the rule, be it in politics, science etc:Men and women statistically have different personalities and think and emote differently. It is true there is the exception. But, as a whole, in their collective behavior they regress towards the mean. Men are more facts and logic oriented, women more emotions and social context oriented. Hence, take something like medicine (Im an MD btw). As it is being swarmed by reasonably bright young women, the nature of medical practice slowly changes, from ‘fight the disease and save the patient’ to ‘comfort the patient’. This was traditionally done by the nurses, while the (male) doctors had their eyes on the technical, scientific, biological side of the patient, ie they were fighting the disease.Women also are less adventurous and you need an element of boldness to do actual research (not to be confused w the ‘research’ reported in 90% of peer-reviewed journals). Hence the straight A girl is often not an actual innovative master of her field but rather an expertly trained regurgitater of her subject. She will do zero worthwhile research, and open any peer reviewed journal, you can verify that most ‘research’ is not worth the paper its printed on.The problem obviously also seen w men, but there just are more actual researchers there, 1-in-20 is a lot better than 1-in-600.This pattern, which btw I suspect is related to fractals and self-similarity (I do mathematical models of medical problems, there are ZERO girl MDs who do this, but a few tomboys who studied math and then wanted something a little ‘softer’ than theoretical physics), is a given consequence of girls taking over a profession. Yes, there will be outliers, but girls in a group are even more girly than girls on their own. As girls enter science, science will become less scientific, it will simply be less about facts, logic, distinction between what you know and what you feel etc. And you cant build ICBMs with your ‘feelings’. So we lose out. GIrls aren’t fucking built for this shit and letting them do it, well, you better be ready to kowtow to Beijing coz they have 50 million pretty bright male engineers who don’t have time for xirly engineering nonsense.Finally, this is also seen as testosterone levels in men drop like a rock. Men regress towards a new, low-testo mean and we have tons of useless soyboys all over the place.Rant over.

Notice that as women take over a company that company starts acting like a community organization? Internally it’s parties for birthdays and babies. All sorts of events. Meanwhile, the company needs to “Give back to the community.” Of course what the company is supposed to be doing suffers.

I think that@thezmanis right when considering large groups/women in general. The issue for me is: what about the exceptions to the rule? In the past there was never an outlet for a smart woman with intellectual interests. There were stigmas against women not only voting or entering politics, but also being artists and writers. Where should the line be drawn? I see no point in stifling the natural talents of 50% of the population, but I also think that lowering standards so that women can enter fields where they are obviously outclassed is a societal negative (e.g., women firefighters).Most women would lead rather conventional lives given the choice. I think many would be happy if society was structured away from the necessity of being a two income family just to make ends meet – women would rather raise families and create homes. But if a woman should decide to be ‘eccentric’ and is capable and not asking for special treatment, why not allow her to do as she pleases?

It seems as if even a lot of progressive males, in some dim chamber of their minds, know there are hardwired biological differences between men and women. I was reading an article on “Mother Jones” about how the Army’s female PT test has lighter standards (less push-ups, etc.) in order to measure women’s “commensurate level of physical fitness” (or some such crap) to male soldiers. Someone, a frequent commentor and a progressive himself, piped up and said, “Well, if the women are doing fewer push-ups isn’t that an acknowledgment that they’re not as strong, or at least different from men?” Pretty much every answer he got from the progressive peanut gallery was some variation of that guy from “Spinal Tap,” saying, “These go up to eleven.”

Havent heard it yet, will do after work. No, there are hardly any women in dissident politics. Women most stick to mainstream and are not leaders and it is a sign of weakness when they have, or are allowed, to lead. If biology picked you to swell to a small landwhale, walk like a duck and push out a 7 lbs screaming lump, having ‘strong independent opinions’ could easily make you lone snack for cave bears away from all the ppl who didnt share your ‘strong independent views.’ Hope this podcast is good, ie straight talk on women.

Many excellent comments and great insights; and superb presentation by Z-Man. But I keep asking myself: What can we do about it. Because what we are doing isn’t working. The woman thing has gone off the rails. And men checking out, climbing on their Harleys and doing the MGTOW thing isn’t going to work, either. The women just flood into politics, the bureaucracy and all other public places, and them come gunning for us. Like the select Union soldiers at Shilo fleeing the initial Southern assault who turned around at the Sunken Road & Hornets’ Nest, we’ve got to stop and fight, or all will be lost for men. The females are remorseless and relentless … however much they hate and fight among themselves, Western born / raised ones now are focusing all their “soft power” on locking their position as the cultural powers.

Regarding cooperation, I wonder if women are more cooperative only in certain, specific arenas. I remember reading something recently about a study of group cooperation that found that groups of men work together much better than groups of women because among men a hierarchy is quickly established and men settle into their group roles fairly readily. Women, on the other hand are constantly redefining the hierarchy and jockeying for position, which made them far less efficient.This bears out in tales my daughter tells of work in the female-dominated healthcare industry. The backbiting and pettiness are incredible. I work in a male-dominated company, on the other hand, and it’s a completely different environment — very competitive, but in entirely different ways than the constant social warfare my daughter endures.Meant to add: This is also seen in a book my daughter was reading about social hierarchy within wolf packs. The very same behavior was evident. Males within the pack quick formed a fairly static hierarchy. Meanwhile the pack females’ hierarchy would change constantly.

Veterinary medicine used to be a male-dominated profession. I’m not sure exactly when the drift started, but I’d guess 70s or 80s. This is becoming a real problem in the rural, large animal practice side of the business. Doctoring horses and cattle is, as you might expect, a seriously physical business. Most women simply can’t handle it. Add to that, it’s the least well-paid part of the profession. You can make much better money giving vaccines to rich peoples’ poodles. There’s a real shortage of physically-capable veterinarians in large animal practice.One writer, Steve Sailer maybe(?), has noted that when a profession starts turning female, it means it is no longer regarded as a prestige profession. The men move on to more competitive environments. I don’t know why that’s true of veterinary medicine or what the causative factor is, but I’d really like to know.

SJWs and other womyn behave like wackos because they know every time they feel their ears or eyesight being “raped” by some inocuous utterance/action made by a toxic white male they can call the cops and make a big raucous for nothing, in the very least.The day a woman understands that the only protection she will get is the one provided by her man (and by the men with whom her man is bound up with) it will be the day when all this nonsensical nth wave feminism vanishes overnight.Of course this equates with current civilization collapse and related end of the police state, so there’s no foreseeable easy way out.

Thank goodness the adult enters the room.Women have profound concerns that MUST be dealt with if the alt-Dissidents are to gain legitimacy.This downward spiral of screwing each other over serves no one. White men, no angels, still did their best. Where we failed is in allowing not-us others, madwomen, and divorce lawyer hucksters to set the terms. We should be speaking to the women, not them.As Heartiste says, men compete then cooperate, women compete to eliminate.The males are setting a pecking order from head hunter to spear maker to water carrier.Males form hunting bands of 5 to 15 members. Their value signals are of projects and merit.The females eliminate rivals for their targeted males seed carriers. Eggs are precious, but alpha seed is rarest of all.Females form camps of 20-40, including children and elderly. Their values concern outside the job at hand, the long term day-to-day of gathering, rearing, and care- daily repetition for a lifetime. Their social structure is a level team effort, with tiny details of status in a pretty uniform net- a village.A man who thinks he’s above everyone is a leader, while a girl who thinks so is a b*tch.Omigosh. Boys and girls are different, who knew.In the modern workplace, I’ve seen that the cattiness factor dies down if the office is mostly female and rote production, such as large insurance claim, tax form processing, or assembly line. Very few males means the women settle down; a larger mix of males or mobility and watch the F out.Now men do fine on the project, but don’t even notice birthdays.A potluck, a baby shower, a holiday?Stand back boys, the girls putting up streamers and decorations will run you right over!Sex is like race. Clear limits on suitable roles and percentages of mixing keeps things copacetic.The drama queens force an unnatural mix, stirring sh*t up, because that’s THEIR pathetic industry of attention-seeking opportunity.None of the headcase drama addresses the real-life needs of women. Such a fricking waste. Suck it up, fellas, our beloved gals need us, they really, really need white men to step up to the plate. So does everyone else.

Here you go – the Myth of Female Cooperativeness:https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/05/02/the-myth-of-female-cooperativeness/==============Gossip and salt and blame-shifting fault, that’s what older girls are made of.Via reader Pepe, ¡SCIENCE! once again shits in the faces of feminists and pabulum spewing equalists.This is not the place for this comment, but then again SCIENCE: Women are way less cooperative than men:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001691817305917This goes against the leftist myth that the world would be a better place if women ruled.“We confirmed a puzzling gender difference: men cooperate much more than women” [in a repeated Prisoner Game]. Also, cooperation doesn’t fade over time, as previously thought.==============“Females are more cooperative than men” – is just another feminist lie.Please stop spreading the lies of your enemies.

“…no Alt-right women…” Geez. What am I, chopped liver?

Interesting podcast, but you went way to easy on Larry Nassar. I understand what you were trying to say, but this was a very poor example. He didn’t just grope college students. He digitally penetrated pubescent girls, one as young as 6 years old, had tens of thousands of child porn images on his computer, including videos of himself molesting young girls. This is a truly sick individual.

I feel for you guys that have to work around and for women…It has to be a blow to a guys self esteem to be bossed around by a female…I would quit before I would allow that to happen…So if there is any young men out there that are wondering what to have as a career and don’t ever want to be bossed around by a woman they should look into my line of work…

My experiences with women in professional and personal settings has been identical to what the other commenters describe. They are constantly feuding and forming new alliances based on the most idiotic reasons (e.g. “on my birthday she only brought me a card, but she got that bitch a cake!”)They are not problem solvers, are nothing close to conceptual, and CANNOT think on their feet. They freak out when things don’t go according to plan and will always look to a man they perceive as competent to bail them out. Every woman I’ve dated or am friends with has admitted they hate working with women and hate female bosses even more because of their vindictiveness, pettiness, and favoritism.I’ve been a member of several work groups that had either one or two female members, and in every situation they just faded into the background and contributed almost nothing. This despite the fact that the men would routinely ask them for their input and do everything we could to include them. The women just had this look in their eyes that said “I know I don’t belong here.”

There is an understanding of humans that observes we behave as if it is safer to be wrong with the crowd than right all alone. We witness this every day and the quality is especially concentrated in women. Fear of being outside the group is what filters what we think. A woman who steps outside the group has another, smaller group to support her. A man may exist opposed to the group alone, in virtue of his most unpleasant qualities.

The closest thing to an intellectual female in this sphere is Aydin Paladin who has degrees in sociology and does some good work in that area.

Very interesting and insightful podcast. With respect to the biological differences between the genders and modern society’s willingness to pretend they don’t exist in order to exalt a false ideal of women’s equality (at least in physical terms), one great place to observe this in action is the CrossFit realm, especially at the highest competitive level when it’s televised each summer. CrossFit, like many other business enterprises, is deliberately planned and marketed primarily toward garnering new women customers among the millennial and Gen-X generations. The CrossFit marketing people know they’ll get men of these age groups into the gym because (1) most young or fit men in urban environments are already inclined to get into or stay in shape at a gym, and (2) if CrossFit can suck in enough pretty, young athletic women, the men looking for a place to work out will show up looking for eye candy and/or potential play dates. To make that “woman athlete”-focused business plan work, they go full throttle into the fantasy world of “girl power.”The 2018 CrossFit Games are currently in session. As in year’s past, it’s a VERY interesting case study to observe and note how differently the men’s and women’s competitors and events are covered by the CBS network. It really shows one how this current push to put women on the pedestal simultaneously downplays biological realities while quietly accepting them as undeniable fact. First, the women’s events are given FAR more televised attention and positive coverage. The women competitors at the top of the leaderboard have their names and origin stories blasted constantly on television before, during and after their competitive events with the obvious goal of making them household names. There are the usual long winded human interest stories about how this young, female competitor had to overcome not just the physical challenges of becoming a world class competitor but the other challenges “unique” to women in modern society. The men who lead the men’s leaderboard on the other hand are barely mentioned outside the coverage of their specific events. One or two male competitors may show up in a commercial but it’s obvious most of the advertising spots focus on the women competitors du jour. This year’s “it” girls are the two Icelandic women who have stood out the last three years or so.What undermines all this feminist propaganda to the reasonably objective person, male or female, is comparing the very different demands ad difficulties of the men’s and women’s events even when they are doing the same movements. Today, the much-hyped and secret event was something entitled, “Chaos.” It consisted of the competitors starting with a ski erg machine to simulate skiing a certain number of calories, then moving to different stations to do burpees with a jump to a mandated minimal height, single arm overhead squats with a dumbbell, single leg pistol squats, box jump overs and then pulling a heavy rolling tumbler for a distance of 110 feet. Guess what? The required work at each station for the women was considerably less than for the men, e.g. men had to ski more calories, jump higher at the burpee station, execute 45 overhead squats with a 50 lbs. dumbbell in one hand while women only had to execute 35 repetitions using a 35 lbs. dumbbell, etc. This is the case in every competitive event at this highest level and it’s the same at ordinary CrossFit “boxes” throughout the world when they conduct their daily workout of the day (WOD). What’s amusing to any person with a knowledge of men’s and women’s fitness standards is that these women competitors are in the top 0.1% of their peer group and are doing what about 15-20% of all the men in the CrossFit world are doing or capable of doing.

I liked the bit about the woman being the baker’s oven. Without the oven, the baker is just standing there holding his loaf. Laugh out loud time, right there. The bit with the horse whinny at the mention of Catherine the Great was a nice touch.

In a public space, like an office, women always assume women are acting. The suspicion that other women aren’t what they seem really messes with their heads.

I hear the “marriage/children make women more conservative” trope fairly often these days, but so far nobody’s offered up a convincing proof that this is actually a cause-and-effect relationship, other than a few lame personal anecdotes. The direction could be reversed, or they could both be based on some broader cultural norms.In theory the answer should be out there in the census data – look at voting rates before and after marriage. You could also look at aggregates across time (not geography), which has the same problem but might at least reveal a leading/lagging relation.Anyway, all we can confidently say is that “high marriage rates are associated with conservative culture”. Any further speculation calls for additional evidence.

WEB Dubois, who was a serious scholar, wrote about “The Souls of Black Folk.” Today, the academy writes about “The asses of Black Folk.”

Good post. Women realism is an important topic I think but it is thorny. My own views are not yet settled here. What do people say, should women have the vote, and the right to hold office? Im tilting towards no but my views haven’t coalesced yet.

Still having a hard time understanding this:You have two groups; we’ll call them group M and group W. The two groups are exactly alike in every way and each group makes up ~50% of the total population. However, group M has been able to completely oppress and/or control group W for all of recorded history. You would think that group W could have thrown off this oppression at any time. Since W possess all the same attributes as group M this means that M cannot have any inherent advantages over W. Since they did not, does this mean that group W wanted to be oppressed controlled by group M?Thanks in advance…

Hey Z, This is the first Power Hour I’ve listened to…while driving in traffic. Not a good idea as I was startled by the horse whinny between segments. Now that I know what to expect I should be ok. Great topic by the way. I’ve even heard women say there are too many women in leadership in primary education.

I think female archetypes might affect the compete-cooperate dynamic among women. An archetype would be sorority, nerd/academic, trad mom, power mom, working mom, etc (not exhaustive). I think they bring their own flavor of cooperate/compete to the table and might be making the general idea of female competition vs cooperation harder to accept or see.

Great music selections. “Girl Trouble” is a classic, but choosing famous wife-discipliner, Ike Turner’s “Rocket 88” for an essay on feminism is really appropriate. I love both husband’s and wife’s music, but good heavens being married to Tina must have been a trial, and must have required some discipline.

Delusions of Women in 1976.In 1976 my cousin in New Zealand a 21 year old feminist then, told me that in the year 2000, in the Moscow Olympic games, that Wimen would compete with men in a no sex-differentiated Moscow games . She was serious and yes, this was 1976 in NZ.Vicious angry slogans on building walls would say > all men are rapists. Feminism was virulent, pathological, insane and hysterical then and now.

I was going to let you know that playing with analytics, and fiddling with frequencies, didn’t work. I heard the whole podcast. Then I realized your method was more subtle, and more diabolical: it’s about the content! That Xirl Science bit… how to get that out of my head? I’ll have to iron pillow cases, do some sewing, immerse myself in Jane Austen novels. And even all that might not work!

Blackanality? One word?

At 29:50. “The idea was to create a class of losers. Who found solidarity in their misery as losers.” Man. Just…so perfect. One thinks it’s all been said before. But the power of a great phrase or angle, to make a known truth seem fresh again. Yeah. This is why we keep coming back to guys like Z.

You describe the gender politics at my workplace almost perfectly, as if you had experienced it directly!I think the difference between men and women in competitive technical fields is deeper than just competitive differences. I have a friend who is just a tinkerer. It’s like he derives gratification simply from punching code, and working on computers in different ways and electronics, as self full filling, self gratifying activities in themselves. Personally, I’m not like that, but I can see that he gets the same satisfaction from that as I get from poetry riddles or word games or those sorts of things. It’s just how his mind is structured.Now combine that tendency with a competitive instinct, and the result is the type of creative power of a Kilby, a Noyce or a Shockley!

The right wing has a woman problem. Specifically, women are appalled by right wing politics and want nothing to do with men who espouse them. How many of you guys have ever had a girlfriend? How many of you are married? How many have you have kissed a girl? I rest my case.